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Title: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: stepkrav on July 31, 2012, 10:02:59 AM
Hello i am new around here. I've got some bitcoins, primarily to learn how stuff work. The question is what to do with a few bitcoins. I am not interested in buying something, i mean goods. Should i just watch closely the exchange rates, and make micro-exchanges with other people to gain some profit? Should i pick some shares from promising mining operations on glbse.com? Should i invest my few bitcoins in a Savings and Trust - like business ? (although having few bitcoins doesnt allow me to join the famous BST pirateat40's risky business)



Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: albertdemorcerf on July 31, 2012, 02:04:24 PM
play with your coins!


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Blazr on July 31, 2012, 02:14:14 PM
Send them to me


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 02:32:12 PM
Hello i am new around here. I've got some bitcoins, primarily to learn how stuff work. The question is what to do with a few bitcoins. I am not interested in buying something, i mean goods. Should i just watch closely the exchange rates, and make micro-exchanges with other people to gain some profit? Should i pick some shares from promising mining operations on glbse.com? Should i invest my few bitcoins in a Savings and Trust - like business ? (although having few bitcoins doesnt allow me to join the famous BST pirateat40's risky business)
Please remember that day-trading is negative-sum; that is, excluding the exchange, on average people lose.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: bitcoinraffle.co on July 31, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
I recommend buying raffle tickets.  ;D


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: John (John K.) on July 31, 2012, 03:00:05 PM
Hello i am new around here. I've got some bitcoins, primarily to learn how stuff work. The question is what to do with a few bitcoins. I am not interested in buying something, i mean goods. Should i just watch closely the exchange rates, and make micro-exchanges with other people to gain some profit? Should i pick some shares from promising mining operations on glbse.com? Should i invest my few bitcoins in a Savings and Trust - like business ? (although having few bitcoins doesnt allow me to join the famous BST pirateat40's risky business)


Dividing them out on GLBSE shares would do the trick. Try throwing the bulk of it in a reputable mining operation for safe returns, and probably invest a small part in BST just for the lulz.  ;)


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: inescapabledoom on August 01, 2012, 12:58:58 AM
Just don't lost it in those gambilng sites.
I've spent several hours testing the real probability
and those places cheat like crazy!

Micro exchanges sounds fun.



This was a 'spam' post to get my count up so I can post my one and only single contribution to this site in a thread for BFL orders.

I think I have 5 already, so this is just fluff.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Garr255 on August 01, 2012, 02:42:13 AM
Put them in deep savings and forget about them for 5 years. You will either be pleasantly surprised or wonder wtf Bitcoins are.

Definitely a good thing to do.

Mining is still the most reliable BTC investment.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: vagina on August 01, 2012, 02:59:16 AM
How few is few? I recommend a PPT.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Vorksholk on August 01, 2012, 03:41:51 AM
Take a look at some of the great depositing opportunities from 1% to 6.9% weekly.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Jumbalya on August 01, 2012, 03:47:17 AM
Buy some weed on Silk Road.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Rockefoten on August 01, 2012, 06:06:11 AM
As has been suggested, I'd go investing on the GLBSE...but be careful!  ;)


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: stepkrav on August 01, 2012, 08:31:20 AM
thanks for the answers. What's "deep savings" and "PPT"? examples?


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Blazr on August 01, 2012, 02:30:51 PM
What's "deep savings"?

He means save them for a couple of years as they should be more valuable then due to deflation

and "PPT"?

PPT means Pirate Pass Thru. A user on the forum "pirateat40" has a savings scheme which pays 7% per week interest, however, you need to have a large number of Bitcoins to participate. You can however, join a PPT, which allows you to put money in an account someone has with pirate. BitcoinMax (run by user Payb.tc) pays 6.9%. There are other PPT that are partially insured against a default by pirateat40 as well.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Robertorai on August 01, 2012, 02:53:41 PM
Possible to donate to charity ? if its only a few ?


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: dave on August 01, 2012, 02:57:37 PM
You could donate them to the original "Alpaca Socks for Bitcoin" folks.  (aka me)

I just updated our site to automate the ordering process (instead of requiring emails back and forth).  It's still a bit clunky, but it gets the job done and will allow us to improve our responsiveness to customers. 

http://www.grasshillalpacas.com/alpacaproductsforbitcoinoffer.html (http://www.grasshillalpacas.com/alpacaproductsforbitcoinoffer.html)


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Sherkel on August 01, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
Instead of advertising my own sites (none of which I have) I'll suggest either putting it in a security or something similar (BitcoinMax pays a straight 6.9% a week which is nice) or if you're feeling more brave, investing in LTC, which seem to be steadily rising in price.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Robertorai on August 01, 2012, 03:03:33 PM
You could donate them to the original "Alpaca Socks for Bitcoin" folks.  (aka me)

I just updated our site to automate the ordering process (instead of requiring emails back and forth).  It's still a bit clunky, but it gets the job done and will allow us to improve our responsiveness to customers. 

http://www.grasshillalpacas.com/alpacaproductsforbitcoinoffer.html (http://www.grasshillalpacas.com/alpacaproductsforbitcoinoffer.html)

Or you could give them to me since Intersango have had £100 of my money since the27th and no CLEAR idea from them when/if I'll get my cash/BTC :(


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Robertorai on August 01, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
Ouch

Nice pic btw :-*


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: tristian1980 on August 01, 2012, 07:59:20 PM
Save them for better times.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: stepkrav on August 02, 2012, 07:41:25 AM
not interested in donations or charities, but thank you all.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: DryPowder on August 02, 2012, 04:18:00 PM
Invest you coins in mining more coins


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: Sherkel on August 02, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
Invest you coins in mining more coins
At least from what I've seen, you need thousands of dollars in capital to even hope to profit from mining within a few months.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: peasant on August 03, 2012, 12:02:36 AM
The way it's starting to rise in value i'd hold on to them for a little bit.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: bitcorn on August 03, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137.0)

Order as many pizzas as you can.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: peasant on August 03, 2012, 03:44:07 AM
I just invested my first complete bitcoin in Hashkings lending. Now i can gain 1.9% weekly and hopefully the value keeps rising. Can't beat that if you want to be lazy.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: fury0 on August 03, 2012, 12:49:39 PM
for example you can play lotto at www.btclottery.net ;)


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: OneEyed on August 03, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
Please remember that day-trading is negative-sum; that is, excluding the exchange, on average people lose.

If bitcoins are considered a currency, I'm not sure this is true, as the system isn't a closed one. Some people will daytrade while others will exchange only in one direction (compared to trading dividendless shares, where the only thing you can do after buying a share is sell it back). Everyone may win, and everyone may lose (except the exchanges, which always win).


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: dree12 on August 03, 2012, 04:32:47 PM
Please remember that day-trading is negative-sum; that is, excluding the exchange, on average people lose.

If bitcoins are considered a currency, I'm not sure this is true, as the system isn't a closed one. Some people will daytrade while others will exchange only in one direction (compared to trading dividendless shares, where the only thing you can do after buying a share is sell it back). Everyone may win, and everyone may lose (except the exchanges, which always win).
If the one-direction traders are included, it is definitely negative-sum. The speculators can only win if the one-direction traders lose.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: OneEyed on August 03, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
Please remember that day-trading is negative-sum; that is, excluding the exchange, on average people lose.

If bitcoins are considered a currency, I'm not sure this is true, as the system isn't a closed one. Some people will daytrade while others will exchange only in one direction (compared to trading dividendless shares, where the only thing you can do after buying a share is sell it back). Everyone may win, and everyone may lose (except the exchanges, which always win).
If the one-direction traders are included, it is definitely negative-sum. The speculators can only win if the one-direction traders lose.

Why? Let's assume I have € and I want to buy something in $ because it is cheaper (quite a common scenario, when hardware vendors tend to sell something at $99.99 in the US and 99.99€ in Europe, when 1€ = $1.3), even when I include the currency exchange fees.

In the end, I may be very happy and have made a good deal by having exchanged my € for $, while the person doing the reverse transaction may be happy because he made a good deal in selling his $ for € at a better rate than in bought the $ initially. This is a win-win, both for me and for the speculator.

Why is that so? Because the hardware vendor is not included in the loop, he does not explicitely use an exchange. He will use the $ to pay his employees in the US, and the € to pay his employees in Europe. He may convert some $ to € or some € to $, but that would be small fraction of what he earns.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: dree12 on August 03, 2012, 06:54:21 PM
Please remember that day-trading is negative-sum; that is, excluding the exchange, on average people lose.

If bitcoins are considered a currency, I'm not sure this is true, as the system isn't a closed one. Some people will daytrade while others will exchange only in one direction (compared to trading dividendless shares, where the only thing you can do after buying a share is sell it back). Everyone may win, and everyone may lose (except the exchanges, which always win).
If the one-direction traders are included, it is definitely negative-sum. The speculators can only win if the one-direction traders lose.

Why? Let's assume I have € and I want to buy something in $ because it is cheaper (quite a common scenario, when hardware vendors tend to sell something at $99.99 in the US and 99.99€ in Europe, when 1€ = $1.3), even when I include the currency exchange fees.

In the end, I may be very happy and have made a good deal by having exchanged my € for $, while the person doing the reverse transaction may be happy because he made a good deal in selling his $ for € at a better rate than in bought the $ initially. This is a win-win, both for me and for the speculator.

Why is that so? Because the hardware vendor is not included in the loop, he does not explicitely use an exchange. He will use the $ to pay his employees in the US, and the € to pay his employees in Europe. He may convert some $ to € or some € to $, but that would be small fraction of what he earns.
Okay, so I guess I failed to include the relative utility of different currencies to different people. In that case, trading may not be negative sum. So effectively, one is trading currency at a premium because one currency is worth more to him than others.

In that case, you're right: trading is not necessarily negative-sum.


Title: Re: What to do with a few bitcoins
Post by: deeplink on August 03, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
Let's assume I have € and I want to buy something in $ because it is cheaper (quite a common scenario, when hardware vendors tend to sell something at $99.99 in the US and 99.99€ in Europe, when 1€ = $1.3), even when I include the currency exchange fees.

Well and that will solve itself soon enough as EUR will be at parity with USD or even below (already 1€ = $1.2 seems more accurate)