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Hi everyone!

I want to share my listing here, if anyone wants to invest, all the details are in the link.

https://btcjam.com/listings/36029-software-development-company

Thank you for your time and feel free to ask any question about it!

thats alot 10btc for your first loan. Oh well goodluck on your loan request, I doubt that someone would fund this.

Hi!

Actually there's not too much left until it's filled, I will put 2 btc myself to fund it, but I'll have wait until Friday to put it.

I'm new to this community, but looking at how people react without verifying first, I see why some people don't like to come here.

Btw, waterpile, I'll remove my bad rating until you remove yours, which I'll think will be when I succesfully repay this loan. I won't expect an apology then, but it would be nice if you do it.

Regards!

Maybe, if you took some time to research forum rules before directly going in Lending as a newbie, everybody wasn't treating you like the usual scammer you behave like. e.g. [EDU] How to spot a scammer (Read this before lending your coins!) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.0), [EDU] The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0), [EDU] EXERCISE CAUTION WHEN LENDING TO USERS! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246874.0), Lending Subforum Intro & Scam Trends (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404191.0)  
Also, your public retaliatory feedback to waterpile giving you a justified -ve trust feedback due to your loan request w/o collateral while a Newbie was quite an abuse of trust system and only reinforce other users thinking of you being the usual scammer.

Thank you for the tip, I've already read it, I am a business owner and usually have to check myself contracts, on one post there is something interesting:

1) to buy real world products - thats a red flag for me because if they can't get FIAT loan from a bank/friend or family then a stranger shouldn't trust them either.
NO
2) their loan wont be used to make money, but to purchase objects - second red flag as you have to ask yourself if they cant buy it themselves how will they repay.
NO, it is to make more money
3) just like number 1, but for sob stories such as hospital bills, car maintenance
NO
4) they hide their real life info and have dodgy pseudonyms like nefarious and pirate.
There's a lot of my info on btcjam, if you have a questions just ask me.
5) their use of bitcoins has nothing linked to the community to make it a better place. but request a personal loan as appose to a community growing business loan.
Well, sorry it's not for bitcoins.
6) they don't seem interested in bitcoin's future growth. they just want money.
I see the potential of bitcoin as an easier way for people to avoid giving banks more money
7) they don't want to use a middle man like a respected community member or a service like BTCJAM
I'm using btcjam

I don't mind comments, but I was not asking a direct no-collateral loan, I used BTCJAM as a service, so I think it was rude to someone to just go do that, as I wasn't posting a foolish, no-collateral direct loan (Nobody should invest in that one). As I say I'll remove the bad trust from him, once I repay the loan.

What collateral does BTCJAM hold that can be sold to recoup investors' losses in the case of your default? ID is not considered a valid form of collateral.

For what I see MadZ, there is no way to offer enough online collateral for a loan as my house, car, company assets can't be send. Ok, so according to the post:

- The best collateral is another crypto-currency, such as Litecoin (also written as LTC).  Coins must be moderately traded on multiple exchanges. (Don't like alt coins)
- Some digital wares such as domain names can be considered as long as the user cannot recover it.
No domains valuable enough for this.
- Small valuable items that can be shipped though the mail - i.e. gold, silver, iphones, etc.
I'm in Mexico, almost no people from Mexico here (If you are, raise your hand and I can offer physical collateral), so I'll have a very hard time getting it through the frontier, the cost to send it won't be worth it).
- Large items, such as a motorcycle or guitar can be used if you live close to the person giving you the loan.  Try localbitcoins.com
Described in last point.

I'm not spamming a thread, replying to myself for promotion or posting everywhere. I just posted once so people could check it and decide if it's worth the risk, I'm not forcing anyone and I am willing to answer questions here. Judging your reactions, makes me think that 80%+ people that use bitcoin are probably scammers.

This is my point, as you said earlier:


What you are offering is exactly the type of loan you say no one should invest in, BTCJAM does little to protect investors. I'm just trying to help you understand why you've received such a skeptical response here. Good luck with your project.

N° 5. Straight out of Newbie mode right into Lending (requesting a loan of course) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.msg1291483#msg1291483) rule was written because almost all newbies requesting a loan proved to be scammers. So, due to you behaving against set rules, everyone here will consider you like a scammer until you are proven otherwise by community.

Edit: Good luck with your project, however.

MadZ I perfectly understand that your community may not trust Btcjam, and that kind of comments are welcome.

Now, as you can see I've received almost 5 BTC now from 138 people, even as it's my first loan, btcjam has had my post at the top during this week.

I also plan this a first step, once I get more reputation I could get a bigger loan if needed for help fund a project, living in a country like Mexico, banks try to rip off all the money they can't of you, and I have avoided them all my life.

Btw, Thank you for your wishes.


Grand_Voyageur thank you too, I see that being a newbie is a curse here, but also, what if an user waits 1.5 years, posts relevant content, becomes trusted and then...... the biggest scammers take their time developing a plan, so I think the community should re-check those policies.

One little funny note, the line "there's a 100% chance", so if somehow, 1 people here trusted me and I fill my obligation, it should be changed to 99.99%

Scammers dosnt wait 1.5 years writting posts...
Scammers just scams.
Nobody will try to give u an opportunity risking his money.
U should understand that.
Good luck to you.

How hard is it for a software development company owner in Mexico that operates at least 2 years (since March 1st 2013, the time you bought the domain), to get a loan of 2500$ ?

Im not the one who gave you that though.. Bah! As if your neg feed back to me has an effect...

cough* cough* Quickseller i'll catch this neg feedback :P

Its Funny,  people thinks we are idiots or what?
Im geting ti red of this. No good for the comunity.
Its a shame. ..

Sorry for the delay, I was working out  :)

Now to your points:


It's as easy as to ask and wait 24 hours. However, that reminds me the time before I founded the company that I asked a bank for help. It was for this beautiful thing:

https://i.imgur.com/2qvOqip.jpg

A wireless Sennheiser E965 that costed around 2,500 dollars. I had to buy it directly from Germany. So, I went to the bank, and they didn't allowed me a shorter loan so the minimum is 1 year. So I ended up paying in one year 3,750 dollars, even without missing a payment. I told myself never to do that again. Although the mic is incredible, you can see it here in action, and yes, that's me singing, I also studied classical singing as a side activity.

http://youtu.be/qb4KX7-RHts

Oh, if you want a remote android app to control the receiver remotely, just ask and I'll send it.

Returning to the point, getting a loan from a bank it's not an issue, but when I saw btcjam on the ads in blockchain.info I saw a business opportunity, if 10 BTC seems much to you, then I'm completely in the wrong forum. I'm planning this as a kickstart loan for maybe use a future one for a bigger project, and even find people who would like to invest in some of the company future projects (even come visit Mexico), when we get to know more personally. And personally, I prefer 1000x times returning profits to people like me, that to give money to banks.

I think maybe I was wrong thinking there were businessmen here, as for the other loan posts I see they're just for paying debts, buying little things, etc... And as you can see, the loan keeps filling, so maybe this post its somehow useful.

Now,


No, people reacting like you do, it's a shame, how old are you jorjito25, what do you do? Do you have wife, kids, a life-plan?

And finally waterpile, I don't think that'll affect you, I just returned your welcome gift.

Yep not even a tiny bit and I don't have the power to bestow red trust rating to users, only the users who are in the deeper trust depth..

Waterpile, I offer you a sincere apology, I misread when I sent the trust and gave you negative one thinking you were the one who sent me bad feedback without asking first. I've sent the red trust to the correct person.

I restored yours and offered a good feedback.  :)

My friend, I am 33, a work to the goverment in Spain  so I have a job until I die.
I have wife and a daughter. So my plan of life is pretty full.
And u? What do u have?  Think twice next time u open ur month.
Regards!

Then I didn't misjudge you, so let's play. Removing any economic part, well I'm 10 years younger have a wife too and kids and well, I don't need to work for anybody, people work for me, which I truly believe is a priviledge, or tell me, wouldn't it be great not being able to go play with you daughter at 11 am/3 pm etc, whenever you like, earn what you want, take days off, 3 month vacation etc, you think having a job for life is a gift? Been there 1 year, will never come back, it's a curse  ..., so overall I see your expectative of life it's pretty low if that its full to you. What you have is justs the basic part of life. But you proved my point, you're no business man.

I did think twice  :)

Let me tell you something
I work for goverment yes.
But I dont really work, they just pay me.
I dont need to explain u my life anyway.
Im happy and I dont need borrow money from nobody.
Good luck to you!
Enjoy ur life!!!!

Oh "But I dont really work, they just pay me.", that's even more shameful. You're right, the lower the expectatives the happier you can be, that's a life rule, and thank you, good luck to you too. And you know all companies are filled with investors right? That's part of the capitalism we live.

Yes I know there are investor.
I invest in stocks! But in propper companys,  not in Pink sheets or worst.  Hahaha

Edit: I will not waste more my time in this thread.
Good luck!!!!!!

Edit: ppl works for u but.... the think is that I have money and u dont.

And how did you think any company that you invested in grew? Btw, thank you, your conversation doesn't bring anything useful to the post.

And I do have money, I'll come back to you in some months to remind you that, my project is what needs a bit of it.

Thank you very much to all the people that invested, the whole 10 btc were fully funded. Now, let's put that money to work so everyone profits.  :)

LOL one person "invested" over half of the loan, and this person was the one who caused the loan to be funded. It should be more then obvious that "Len"  (https://btcjam.com/users/137154) is you.

Thank you for your post, you made me smile  :)

I'm still surprised that this community is so harsh and unfriendly (I understand that many bad users made it like this), now actually I was about to fund myself 1 bitcoin, but this great guy invested before I did. I actually don't have to care what you say but hope this investor could create a profile here and reveal himself. I actually will try to contact him personally to thank him.

Filled?  Oh gawd, that's a lot of money thrown away... :-/

I really hope all the parties involved (investors & OP) end being happy with the investment outcome. I'm not too confident, however.

We ll see!!
OP told me that he will come back to remember something...
Hahaha!! Lets hope for a happy end.
Anyway I think like Quickseller. ... I think that nobody funds his loan but he did.
Regards!

Lets see what happen!! OP is comparing his ¿company? With Apple.

3 quick points:

1 - I will update this thread after each payment.  :)
2 - Somebody please explain me the logic of autofilling my loan.
3 - I'm anti-apple.

1 - I doubt that anyone here cares about the status of your loan as it was very unlikely that anyone would have been willing to take on enough risk to "invest" in your debt
2 - Since there are were only enough suckers to fund ~5 BTC of your loan, you would have received nothing as the loan would not have funded, so instead in invest the remainder of the loan to get it to fund and then run away

1- Ok, if you check the listing, it's not debt, and well maybe from the 160 people no one came from here. And well by the responses, it's a bit pointless, as even after reapaying, i'm sure this users will find a way to say something bad about it.

2- BTCJam requires onle 70% to fund, so If that would be the case only 2 btc were needed not the whole amount.

Hello everyone!

Just as promised, this loan was completely repaid,  :)

boy, you hold a grudge. not good for your health man