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First of all, sorry for my poor english but is not my native language.

Local sections activity highly varies depending on the country, but surely the italian one is one of the most populated, and in the last months has passed a massive growth also in terms of subsections. Although i think that Hostfat, the current moderator, is doing a good job in the reports management, i also personally think that we need an extra moderator, for two main reasons:

1) The report function in my experience is not used so much by italian users, requiring that someone (hopefully more than one person) sort manually and constantly the threads deleting obvius spam and repeated uncostructive posts. And this is surely a tedius job for one mod, that maybe isn't interested in all of the local board contents, so it's accustomed to patrol less some subsections.

2) The numbers. At the time of writing this post, italian board has >120k posts and >7k threads. French local board has less than the half of these numbers, but two moderators; Spanish board, that is almost the same as size of the italian board, has actually three mods. I think that these are good examples about the people required to properly manage a local board like the italian one.

Even though i'd like to be a moderator, i also want to link two other italian users that in my opinion are absolutely elegible for a task like this:

ziomik: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27427
Stemby: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18953

While i'm sure there are a lot of other good users, i vouch for them cause i know both since a long time and they have all the requirements to be good moderators.

I'm not going to do a poll because it's generally easy to manipulate, instead, i think that every italian user that agree with my opinion should post here, eventually with other suggestions (for ex. who of us should manage this task).

I think theymos' advice is to usually create a thread in your section and discuss amongst yourselves who would be best for the job or if people think more moderators are needed. You don't have to put it to a poll as that is easily manipulated but open discussion from active members is always better.

Agree with you 😊 There are too many threads and messages to check for only one moderator. It's a impossible work ! I think alexrossi is the right man at the right moment 😉

Exactly what i've written in OP


For the sake of reference (if, as i can imagine, other active local members opinion are important) i think that in this case it's better to post in english.

Maybe alexrossi has right the italian section needs a new moderator (there is a lot of work) and I vote for alexrossi, but I would like also to "nominate" myself to be a moderator if it is possible. I'm online here almost all the day, and report a lot of posts/users.

I m agree with alexrossi... We need another mod... Stemby and ziomik are good choices.

relevant:

Altough i'm not active anymore, i lurk in that section regularly, and i completely agree with alexrossi.
Bear in mind that the current moderator is doing a pretty good job, but someone else is needed to take care of more mundane tasks, such as those specified by the OP.
The people listed as candidates seems good choices, they're all active and polite.

He\they will lose if half or more of the users do not want to have any moderator; if it is profitable to have a section without moderator:
You can participate in the signatures campaign and write in Russian boards somewhere "need to write thirtieth message - write" or comment on the same thing the same way every week
Or they place referral links
Or someone have multiple accounts for gambling.

Poll in russian board showed 22 to 25 (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794025.0)). 25 votes for LZ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=462), that can be regarded as the absence of moderator. LZ last Active:    February 17

Only who moderated russian board is you grue (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5797), but only in the most obvious cases. That it's better than nothing, spammers in panic.

By the way, redsn0w (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=211419) has a very good reputation on this forum, so I am vote for him (if i can) to make an additional moderator for Italian board.

Like theymos mentioned, poll isn't a good idea. People should make their vote by posting in the thread in that local board, here it is 'Italian'.

@alexrossi: Would be good if you create a thread there(if you haven't). Any others are welcome too if you need to make this little faster

   -MZ

Well, i haven't done it but for a good reason, we have a public chat on Telegram when we've already talked about it, so almost all the interested italian members are aware of this thread.

io mi esprimo in francese che è la lingua che so meglio, Host hai rotto la minchia !

I think it may be allowed or ok in this instance given the subject matter, though maybe this thread is better off being moved to the Italian section instead.

bitcoinplaza is just joking, but for the italian section i've already written this, that should clarify why I've directly posted this thread in meta section:

Just my opinion ;)
From all the reports that I receive, and I consider many of them too much "aggressive" (I'm not sure about the right word)
If I'll take an action for all of them, maybe the italian section could become the "reign of terror", where user will start on censoring themselves, and maybe someone will totally give up on writing.

There are also some biased "votes" on this discussion ;)

So I think that adding another mod isn't a good idea, actually.

Just to be more precise, this doesn't mean that everyone were thinking that it was a good idea ;) (I think the opposite, but sure I'm biased ;D)

There are other people that I feel better to become mod (from their reports and imho their way of participate in matters) that I think that are even better then some mentioned on this discussion.
Anyway, I still think that I don't need other help actually for the report that I receive.

Maybe I'll add something (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=979915.0) (edit) so that the "Report to moderator" is more "notable". Many italians still don't know english, so maybe some of them even don't know the meaning of it :)

EDIT
And it's kinda funny that all this discussion is started because I asked to not spam about Ethereum on one of my discussion on the italian project sub-section ::)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975510.msg10653568#msg10653568

There is also the Português (Portuguese) section that has 2 moderators but only | 33154 Posts 3392 Topics | I think we need a second moderator that can check the section and help HostFat.

Of course. I think that another moderator in the italian section is required (considering that the italian section is one of the most populated section of this forum). It would be a great help for our actual moderator HostFat  :)

i don't know, if Hostfat can keep everything clean, 1 mod could be enough, otherwise another one is necessary, but sometime the italian section isn't that populated to justify it

We are missing the point

First of all


Second, and the main reason of why in my opinion it's needed an extra mod (also that originally stated in the OP)



And what's the matter? I mean, if someone with the opposite opinion would have wanted to express himself, he could have done it now here. The public chat is composed of 170 users, and most of them for inactivity or other reasons aren't even interested about the usability of the italian board.

So "all the interested italian members are aware of this thread." are not so many :)
I said it because at your first sentence it could be seen as "the italian community" was at this opinion.

I repeat again, another mod (that I don't feel needed now) NOT chosen by me will be the worst and not the better.

I'm sure that someone don't like my way of leaving some people free to express their "stupidity", but I still think that it's better if it isn't completely useless spam ;)

Again, you are missing the point.

I'm not arguing about your moderation, and i personally think that you're replying feeling attacked for no reason, since in the OP i've written


My concern is not about your report management. Reports are well managed, but in my opinion (and not only for me) they are used too seldom by the majority of italian users. So the point is about having an extra mod that can better and more easily patrol the italian board, especially its subsections.

I hope that this is enough to prevent other copy/paste replies.

I'm happy with the current state of things.

So far Hostfat has guaranteed a no-intervention policy that suits me just fine.

Anyway, why are we having this discussion here and not in the Italian subsection?

I find the Italian board fairly ok.
In my humble opinion, unless Hostfat is overwhelmed by work, there's no need for another moderator.
However, I don't get why this is a matter to be discussed in English on the international board.
Since, as we know, Italians struggle with English I don't think it's fair to discuss this topic in a foreign language.
To me it seems pretty limiting for who doesn't speak a word of English.

p.s. for the Italians: please don't write I'm agree it sounds so bad and it doesn't mean anything in English. You simply say I agree.

I don't think we need a new moderator. If HostFat need help he will intercede directly with Theymos without this useless thread.


FaSan

Why do you want to become a moderator and why should we choose you?
I'm just asking (no controversy).

Thank you

Quote.

We don't need a new moderator, especially if HostFat doesn't think he needs help.

We moved in the italian section for discussing about this question, this is the link of the thread :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980756.0

Thanks for the attention.

To fix the problems that i've mentioned in OP. But it really doesn't matter who will manage this task, i only hope that there will be an extra one to keep the overall usability.

Let's check togheter:

Spanish section: 130k posts- 9k topics ( 2 moderators)
French section: 57k posts - 3.4k topics (2 moderators)
Italian section: 125k posts - 7.4 topics 1 moderator

EDIT: also the german section has 2 MODS

Data are given. Why should not we add another moderator in the Italian section ?

https://i.imgur.com/TjUWXEE.jpg

Your data analysis is simply useless.

Why? All depends on the efficiency of the moderators?

This is the perfect example of a well-opinioned position http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/images_hwu/smilies/asd.gif

I think you should compare the topic/post pro capita to make a sensible confrontation. As an example German board has 2 mods but almost 2 times the topic/post total of the Italian board, so basically 1 german mod handle almost the same amount of topic/post of the actual only italian mod.

Do you only think in terms of numbers?

When adding new moderator, I think theymos check whether it is "needed". If Hostfat can manage it, then IMHO it doesn't need a new moderator but if his actions are slow atm, a new mod can be added. It all depends on situations.

   -MZ

I'm used to base any proposal on hard fact not on my hopes. OP told us in his post that total topics & posts in Italian local board require more mods, pedrosoft pointed out that german local board has 2 mods, as well as he listed other local boards' mods numbers. However absolute numers means nothing, since what is important is to check is the workload of a moderator.

I don't find why alexrossi didn't spoken with HostFat about that.

Q: HostFat, do you think the italian section needs a new moderator ?
A: " another mod (that I don't feel needed now) "

Cool, we're done here.

so why making such a fuss if the moderator himself (hostfat) didn't say anything?

I still don't get why having to compare with other boards. I simply don't see the point. That's it.

Because numbers already said why italian mod didn't say anything: Numbers shows an additional mod was not needed at the moment.

Italian board don't need another mod, cause the actual situation don't require it.
pluralism too is guaranteed
all sections are under control, and our actual moderator don't think needing help.

This is my opinion.

I favor the addition of another moderator of the Italian section . Another moderator can only bring benefits in terms of transparency and practical .

First 2 posts after sign-in to asks an additional mod in the Italian Language board? Shill account at work, sure.

===>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=360439;sa=showPosts

you're right on time sir!

I am a regular reader of the forum, I expressed what I think is a necessity for the progress of the Italian section of the forum as well as the Italian community that the forum has a great following . For me , alongside another moderator is only an enrichment for the entire Italian community .

Well, only time can tell us if you really care about contributing to bitcointalk.org community. Actually, being your only posts exclusively focused on the issue described in the topic you look like a shill account at work. However, for the sake of the bitcointalk.org community, I really hope to be wrong myself.

Althought i'd like to listen the majority of the italian users opinions, i ask to just registered users to stay away from this thread, cause it appears to us at 99% as shilling.

Some believe that :

1 ) the current moderator should be accompanied by another moderator .

Avoiding to put the issue on a personal level and focusing on this fact ( election of a second and possibly third moderator like in the Spanish section ).

I think that is a valid alexrossi contributor to this community