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Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

Bad cop, no donut.

Don't really have time to explain my opinion but what is common with all of these crimes, is that if the victim never actually did a crime, there would no police and therefore would still be alive today. That is a fact

This is even worse than, "if she hadn't been dressed like a slut, she wouldn't have gotten herself raped."

Summary execution isn't supposed to be how the US justice system works. Way to be a murder apologist.

I have to say that i disagree. There is some truth to what you are saying, but there are also fundamental approaches that any officer of the law shouldnt use any more force than
it is really required to. For example, would you say its ok that if your kid steals a lolypop from the store, and the officers uses taser gun on him ?

cheers

What was this man's crime? Not speaking English?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnYvx5jwJs0
http://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/2015/02/12/pkg-al-indian-man-allegedly-beaten-by-police.whnt
http://media.al.com/news_impact/photo/suresh6jpg-fc6170ca7e57b9dc.jpg

Don't really have time to explain my opinion but what is common with all of these crimes is police feel entitled and are encouraged to brutalize the public.

I think the cop had the right to use weapon in that case. He probably overreacted a bit and got the robber killed but imagine yourself in this situation.
You get called to a robbery, don't know if the guy is armed or on drugs, you tell him to stop and he runs at you and starts choking you in your own car!

But you cannot deny that if he did not rob the store, the police would not be called to talk to him about this, and then when he WAS spoken to, he assaulted the police officer, and if he did not do, and followed with what the policeman said, he would have not been shot.

That's a pretty bad crime to break. he's lucky he didn't get it worse.

Keep in mind that he also tried to grab for his gun. If someone is running at you and trying to hurt you, its either your life or his, the policeman told him to back off but he did not listen, and the boy went for the gun. You fear for your own life and had to make a decision. The gun WAS in his hand and the easiest defense mechanism, but if there was a bit more time he could've pulled out a tazer and stunned him.

Wow that is very sad, if he does not speak english they should call the dispatcher or whatever it is for a translation or something. However I cannot provide a stance on this because I do not know the background information. Maybe this man was a murderer or committed a very serious crime. But randomly stopping someone on the street and beating them up is NOT ok, no matter what the situation is.

Yes I agree with that, but police USUALLY are not like this. They have lives to and if there is someone armed or dangerous they get scared and likely will not make decisions very well. Haven't heard of a cop shooting a taser gun at a kid stealing a lolypop, that would be insane, the kid poses no thread (other than the dangerous lolypop of course  ;D)

There will be some changes at the edges, maybe improvements to the municipal court system, maybe a civilian police review board, but they will barely impact the overall problem of race relations in this region.

brown robbed a store, ignored order from cop to get off the road, resisted when cop realised he was wanted for the robbery, threatened and physically attacked the cop, dna found on the gun, never had his hands up. if you side with brown its because your hatred of the cops has made you irrational.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown.pdf

A criminal f'ing with the police should expect the worst to happen.

It's awful that the recent study finds a lot of racism in Ferguson. I believe there wasn't any racism in the encounter with Brown. If you read the cops testimony you can see that the actions were all based on the fact that Brown was a suspect in a robbery, wasn't complying with police requests, and eventually fired the cop's gun in his car.

I do believe that the cop, a rookie, acted too severely in how many times he shot Brown. The shots were excessive but the need for shots to be fired was 100% brought on by Brown...he could have lived through that incident, he decided not to.

Seems like there's a lot of racism in Ferguson on both sides of the color wheel.

Doesn't seem to matter whether you are a criminal or not.  :)

You got that backwards. The police are supposed to protect and serve,  follow due process of law, and escalate to lethal force ONLY when they or other bystanders are in mortal danger.

A criminal should expect to be treated exactly as the laws of the land say he should be. Unless that criminal is a black male in racist as fuck middle America,  in which case he should regard police as enemy combatants. Kill them before they kill you.

It's simple, obey the law, obey the police, and you will have no problems with them. Police shootings are a rarity and as Michael Brown actually ASSAULTED him and grabbed for his gun, he was fearing for his own life.

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

One less thug on the street. Wether or not the cop did right I don't know, I am leaning towards not but googling around a bit doesn't make it easier..
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ferguson-shooting-13-facts/2014/11/25/id/609483/
Sounds like he was on something other marijuana as well, but nothing is said about that..

I also do think that this has false flag written all over it.

I feel bad for the policeman. Everyone now knows him and might judge him. His life his ruined because of what he did lawfully, he was just doing his job.

Yes there was an autopsy and he indeed was under the influence of marijuana. People who say it was a race issue are the racist ones.

This is typical for minorities that abuse the liberal societies and their laws. Call a white guy white, nobody gives a shit. Call a black guy black, suddenly you're racist.
The guy was a robber, assaulted a policeman and ate a bullet. He obviously wasn't fit to live in a society.

A ciminal committed robbery and attacked a police officer then he got what he desrved. If he was white nobody would give a shit. As he was black his death was a good reason for some to forge some political capital and for others a good opportunuty for some looting. Pretty much like in London couple of years ago.

Yes but the minorities are oppressed by the state in the sense that the state give them a lot of subsidies that keep them poor and they are oppressed by the liberals that tell them they are victims and that white are racist.

Exactly. This is why I am against affirmative action. There is no "systematic" racism or oppression. If you are hard working you will get a job and you won't be paid less just cause your a minority. There might be some people that are racist but they are entitled to their own opinion, and as long as they are doing no harm, they should just be ignored.

Exactly, even though there is way more black on black or black on white crime, they want to push the "white on black racist crime" just because of the liberal agenda. If there community is so good and they really miss him, why are they all looting, they are only enforcing sterotypes even more :P

The poll should have another option: "I don't care, it's only a distraction to keep the sheeple occupied and divide the society"

This ^...

Such localized ethnic conflicts are seems to be safety valves to let the steam going out. Yes, it's violent, yes, you can burn your hands, but it's still  localized therefore manageable.

by the look of the video, it appear that the fault is on the cop of course, but i don't know all the details

"just doing our jobs" was the Nurembeg defense. It failed.

unless they own the Nuremberg judge (and they do, trough expensive heroin and cheap girls).

It is bad for everone involved, but bad behaviour, looting and riots from citizens dont make the situation any better. Too bad no one can come to amicable agreements for public safety and healing.

If you are upset because a white cop shot an unarmed black man, then you are facilitating racism. Simple as that.

The sooner people stop screaming "racist" every time an injustice occurs against their race of choice, the sooner mankind can move past this aspect of our evolution.

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Yes I completely agree with you. As soon as you are adding in the race, instead of talking about the actual issue of the murder, you are a racist. The non-racist thing to say would be "cop shoots unarmed man".

So, a bunch of bureaucrats write and pass a law that makes it a crime, whatever it is. Then they say that this new law applies to us.

What gives them the right? Nothing. They just take on the right.

There is the unwritten law that states that if you don't harm anyone with real, physical harm...

and you don't damage his property with real physical damage...

there is no crime.

This is the case in all the civil law countries, and it holds top position in all the common law countries like the United States.

The courts, the lawyers and the judges are the criminals, by focusing out thinking on the idea that we are guilty of something that really doesn't apply to us. Everything that they do is done by using words with tricky meanings in trick ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

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EDIT: Besides, those people in Ferguson have enough troubles that I try not to stand on Ferguson at all!

There was so much different publicity covering the Ferguson case so unless you read the actual police reports and events that occurred (These are still being debated) and haven't taken people's opinions as proven fact then your opinion on the case is going to be warped. In my opinion the way he was acting beforehand led me to believe that was the reason he got shot. If you had watched the video of him blatantly walking into a store and stealing stuff and pushing the owner out of the way and leaving you would probably understand that those kind of actions wouldn't be tolerated for very long. It also gives insight to who he was as a person and how much respect he had for the law. That one film alone is what led me to have this stance on the situation. That wasn't an isolated incident as you could tell by his mannerisms and how casually he was able to commit a felony.

Way to demonstrate a total lack of understanding of context here. This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum. Ferguson is a poverty stricken mostly black town with an almost all white police force during the worst economy since the great depression. Ferguson is about the effects of concentrated poverty,  and yes there is a race element at play there.

All that said, I'm upset because an over-armed, under-trained, under-disciplined CIVIL SERVANT killed an unarmed HUMAN BEING.

You should be too.

I follow the USMC, ie what ever based on skin color is forbidden and punished (art ?). Who can't put camo to go to a costume party :D.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/us/ferguson-police-chief/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/us/ferguson-police-chief/index.html)

New news on Ferguson situation, police chief resigned today.

The Gangsters of Ferguson

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/172187-2015-03-11-the-gangsters-of-ferguson.htm

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/The-Gangsters-Of-Ferguson/386893/

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Feel bad for the cheif and especially those 2 officer that were shot at. Their lifes were ruined just because they were doing their job...

The police chief doesn't have any emotional connection to Ferguson at all. He's a white guy in a town full of black people, crime, and corruption so it's obvious he's there for a paycheck. From what's recently came out, if he stayed in Ferguson and continued fighting these cases his reputation would be ruined. First the Brown case and then the evidence of officers being racist behind closed doors comes out, he definitely doesn't want that to be his public image, but he obviously knew this kind of stuff was going on or that at least his officers did have a prejudice against blacks.

That was definitely uncalled for, but one could conclude that it was bound to happen. With the recent details emerging of the racism inside the Ferguson Police Department I'm sure it pushed some people over the edge. Unfortunately some people aren't able to think with a clear head in these situations and can not weigh the facts with the actions taken. Although some people on the police force may be racist, the actions and activities Michael Brown engaged in prior to being shot provide a solid base for the reason he was shot. Take a look at the video of him casually walking into a convenience store, taking whatever he wants, and walking out and knocking over the cashier. This was his life on a day to day basis, and I'm sure anyone without a bias point of view on this topic could conclude that eventually he was going to get what was coming to him.

not soon enough in my opinion. those type of persons (that comes from any places) are scumbags of the earth, low skill, my biggest question is who raise them? how could their parents let them slip soooo low (and please don't tell me it's ctrl+p induce lack of time, who forced you to have children?, there is no legal obligation to have any if not ready).

what this dead man (happily) did, was a victim crime, the owner lost property and suffered mental pressure... happily bullet goes as fast in fat ass like this scumbag or the cashier (which seems pretty light)... edit please don't bs me with an "hard mind" or hard skull or what ever low street gang bs... bullet > bones.

The police chief wasn't doing his job if he allowed his officers to apply race discrimination in their jobs. The police need to be held to a higher standard because they're provided a greater authority. Anyone who can't keep those organizations in line needs to be fired, the Chief should feel good that he was allowed to resigned rather than fired with disgrace.

There is zero race discrimination here. Michael Brown was a thug who was on the influence of marijuana, robbed a store, and then tried to assault a police officer. If a large strong man is coming at you, you will fear for your life and act on that.

alcohol propaganda crew at work? who knows, but one sure thing if it's the case, it will be known  8) expect anyeverything.

joke a side : Where do you stand in Ferguson, A: nowhere, never been there.  ;D. unpolitical trolling :).

Yea I don't want to stand on ferguson, they have enough problems and probably don't need a giant man standing on them  ;D
Yea I've never been in ferguson or even in the same state as it

As wealth inequality worsens, jobs continue getting outsourced, and poverty continues concentrating in already poor minority communities, america will continue to see horrifying escalations of violence, especially in places where there is the added issue of racism and race-based authority institutions such as the almost entirely white police force of Ferguson. We are in a slowly heating pot of water here.

Things will get worse before they get better, and we've got a front row seat. Hold onto your butts, this shits gonna get ugly.

I believe to solve all those 3 problems by being much more strict on immigration. Did you know that workers will work for a LOT less money than we will, therefore our jobs getting undervalued by the people coming into the US or Canada? And theres no evidence of racism in Ferguson, cop's actions was justified by the Supreme Court, which is a fact. If they wanted a more diverse police force, then why don't they just join the police?