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So here's the story:

On monday i moved Bitcoins to a wallet on a website.  It took 5 days to arrive.  I was starting to get a little bit stressed that i made a mistake with the address, checked it out with block explorer but  everything seemed fine.

Today i finally saw some Bitcoins on the site, the amount i sended though was exactly doubled.  I took them off immediately, moved very fast this time, 30 min instead of 5 days, and sold them, ka-stjing!  

Does anybody have an explanation for this?  

It should not take 5 days for a Bitcoin transaction. I bet something went wrong on the website's end and they messed up the deposit.

You are admitting to a scam ? You need to report this to the site involved and hand back the coins or get a  scammer label.

There could have been a technical problem with the account handling at the service  you were using, where customer service saw your request and decided to add funds to your account, and then the technical problem was resolved and you got credited a second time.

Or your ticket was looked at by two different people doing customer service, and both gave you credit at the same time, before the support ticket was closed.

Or the outfit is so sloppy they just honor any complaints and pay out to resolve it.  This is particularly true for sites that hold a wallet (e.g., exchanges, escrows, wallets) that are fraudulent.   If they don't really hold all the customer funds that they should be holding, then who cares if the proceeds of the fraud is only for 80% of the balance (because 20% was credited to fix problems like this).

There are a lot of reasons this could happen.  And each time it does should be a warning sign.

What site is that? ???
I would be VERY wary of keeping your coins there. Not a good sign.

did you contact the "wallet on a website" service
asking here will just get guesses or opinions, asking the people you are dealing with might get some actual answers :)

I agree with that, that are abuse of the system and if I was running the site I would probably give you a reward anyway for reporting of the bug. So Please on behalf of the devs report it to them otherwise or face being labeled a scammer.

I've seen some very temporary doublings at instawallet.org. They are never available for sending though.

Do tell us which wallet it was.

I didn't even look at it like that yet. I'm an ignorant user and from my point of view, these bitcoins came out of thin air, handing them over to the website would be assuming they made a mistake, there are more possibilities.  
I thought i was just communicating between my local wallet and an online wallet linked to my account. How can a website be between this transaction anyway?  

i'm not gonna tell on a forum which site it was, i'll just contact the website personally.

What is it with these morons? We live in a society of law. OP, you took property that didn't belong to you, sold it, and kept the proceeds. That's illegal. You could be sued or even arrested if the site operator actually decides it's worth taking legal action over. And with bitcoins becoming more valuable by the minute, someone will eventually decide that they are worth it. And no, just because there are bitcoins in your account, that doesn't mean they belong to you. This exact situation has happened many times with real banks, and guess how many times it's ended well for the poor fool who decided to withdraw their "free" money and spend it? That's right: none.

Anyone who's casually stealing bitcoins just because they think nobody's going to do bother anything about it is going to get a really nasty surprise when the day comes that people do start to take these matters seriously.

Stop menacing that guy with "scammer label", arrests, illegal and so on  ::) people take this matter seriously? Then they should seriously start making a proper website lol. Also 5 days for your bitcoins to appear on the website? This is very weird...

and with banks poor people always lose, no matter what  ::)

My post was a warning, not a threat. What the OP did is illegal pretty much everywhere, and he could probably tracked down very easily with only a few subpoenas to his ISP and bitcoin exchange. Will the site operator actually go to the trouble? Probably not, but it's possible. Will the OP get a knock on the door from either the cops or a collection agency if they do go to the trouble? Almost certainly. Remember, this is real money we're talking about. It's only a matter of time before someone decides to take it seriously.

As I've pointed out, this exact situation has happened with real banks. Do the authorities just say "Well, if the bank can't manage their customers' accounts properly, that's their problem, not ours"? Spoiler alert: they do not. When you take money that doesn't rightly belong to you, even if it was as a result of the bank's negligence, you are either forced to give it back or arrested and charged with fraud. Anyone who thinks this is never going to happen with Bitcoin is deluding themselves.

One guy on here got a scammer label because he refused to return some coins sent to him by mistake. This is no different.

Its not a threat its the way things operate on the forum and as its their property its their rules.

You better contact them and tell them about the bug. If they don't fix it, then post who they are. Remember Bitcoins can't be printed unlike bank notes. For you to double your coins, someone else will lose them.

Don't take it personally; my insult was directed at you morons in general, not you specifically. I'm sorry if I offended you more than the other morons. Anyone who thinks the law or even basic ethics somehow don't apply to Bitcoin is either stupid or severely delusional. If you want to break the law, that's your business, but at least don't act all surprised when people get angry about it.

What the Hell are you smoking? Bitcoin is not illegal. Liberty Dollars were busted for counterfeiting (they were trying to pass off their coins as real U.S. dollars), and e-gold is still operating, despite the operators being busted for running an unlicensed money transmitting business. The U.S. government specifically allowed e-gold to continue functioning since it recognises that e-gold's users still have a legal right to the money in their accounts, regardless of what laws the company broke. Bitcoin is not a money transmitting business and is not being passed off as real U.S. dollars, so neither of these cases apply to it. There is also no law giving the U.S. government a monopoly on currency; while the law requires U.S. currency to be accepted as payment for debts, any other currency may be used for any other kind of private transaction if both parties agree. It's perfectly legal to pay Canadian dollars, Euros, or bitcoins to anyone who's willing to accept them as payment. Bitcoin is not unpoliceable either. I'm not sure why you would think it is.

When you go shopping, do you just grab all the goods you want and then walk out without paying? At least wait until they threaten you before giving them the money. It's their own damn fault if they don't notice you leaving without paying, right? Right? ::) You're going to end up either dead or in jail if you try to apply those principles to the real world.

There are always people willing to enforce the law. The question is whether those people are police, who generally won't mess you up too much if you go along quietly, or mobsters who'll beat the shit out of you if you don't pay back what you owe. Which of these societies do you live in?

I think it's strange people are trying to defend the legal "law abiding way" so much.  
It is a forum policy and i respect that actually,
BUT!
 As much as you're all good folks, trying to mine, make some honest bucks, go to church and preach about scammers, i hope you all realize one clear thing i thought off in the first day i used BTC.
Bitcoins is a new medium for all illegal circuits.  As we are contributing to the success of bit coins we are indirectly supporting black-market cause BTC is an anarchists dream.  uncontrollable, decentralized monetary system which can be transferred anonymous if you know how.
 If there is one thing this "society of law" would consider a threat, its BTC itself. So don't blame me for doing something illegal unintentionally. The bucks you earn after mining and selling will always go for a certain amount to illegal scenes, this will always be there, cause the system allows it.  So by using bitcoins and wishing it will be successful you make a choice that the coming generations there is easier transfer of black market.

anyways, i contacted the website, no response yet.  trying to be a law-uh-bahy-ding citizen.

I realize why some people are so aggressive and paranoid on this forum.
They have a lot of money invested in BTC and have good intentions.
You relate to the website that lost money, as if it could happen to you.
Understandable and respectable.

If I would have found 5 grams of weed under a plant in the airport and post "i have magical found..." thread
you'd all high five me.

What you described is more like "finding" someone else's bag at baggage claim and walking out with it "as quickly as possible."

Bitcoin, like dollars, is used for a wide variety of purposes, both legal and illegal. It's just a tool; what you do with it is up to you. And I don't think the word "anarchy" means what you think it means. Anarchy means "without rulers", not "without law". There is law under anarchy, even if the law is something along the lines of "don't steal from me or my friends or I'll kill you".

Just because some people use Bitcoin for illegal purposes, does not justify you or anyone else stealing from others. Nor does it mean that anyone using it honestly is somehow "contributing" to illegal activity.

Hey!!  I left that weed there when I realized I was holding just before I got on a plane. I was gonna pick it up later.

Give that back to me or risk getting called a scammer or a narc or any number of other nasty names!   >:(

That's not really a Bitcoin bug, you know? :)

oh rly?

an·ar·chy   [an-er-kee]  
noun
1.
a state of society without government or law.
2.
political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control:
3.
anarchism ( def. 1 ) .
4.
lack of obedience to an authority

I do understand what you mean though, even in a world without laws or central control, there will always be a group of people with moral sense.  An unwritten "law" in human nature.  


It actually happened to me a few years ago.  I had to take an intercontinental flight and found some *censored* in my wallet, i forgot about it.  So i looked for a place to hide it, found another package, replaced them both, came back 3 months later and walked home with both.  
I have been looking for the owner for years!  never found him.
I know your joking but if you post the date(still have flight ticket), i'll give it back, just because it would be absurd.

Flight 23 with Captain Clark
Interzone airport
Thursday late or early Monday morning and/or Friday at 3:13 PM
April 20th
Year... unknown/variable

A report was summarily submitted through the proper channels but is now out of my control.  

Wow, you're starting to talk like Bulanula and NVitaliyB.

i strongly disagree on this.

bitcoin miners are indirect responsible for a future growth in worldwide illegal activity.
same as drug users are responsible for sponsoring drug cartels that train rebels & terrorists.
same as people supporting TOR network are creating a platform for pedophiles.
same as Mc donalds customers are responsible for mass exploitment of animals.

you're a decent guy, the money you're making just makes you blind.
It is a moral issue, we all have to be aware what chain we are part of and how it can influence the world.
The nature of the "just a tool" is very dangerous. and it is definitely not "like dollars". lol :o

With what purpose were bitcoins designed?  it fits very well in cyberpunk and anarchist "mythology".

The webmaster thanked me for notifying the bug, i gave back the coins. problem solved

he did not gave me a reward though, the selfish son of a bitch. >:(

tap me on the shoulder or call me an idiot...
if anybody feels like rewarding me: 1AxyjyyoJBr2zoeAEmETEwq7thAreNcu97

Knowing you did the right thing isn't reward enough?

Right. Better stop using money, then. And food, while you're at it. Otherwise you're indirectly responsible for poverty and famine, respectively. ::)

Sure it is. I can give dollars/bitcoins to gun/drug/porn dealers, and they'll give me guns/drugs/porn. What's the difference?

This is true, but hardly relevant. True anarchists believe that law and order can come entirely from voluntary cooperation in a society without a ruling class (regardless of what your dictionary says and how the word is used in general speech, the word literally (and as used in political science) means "without rulers", from the Greek ἀν an (no) + ἀρχ arkh (ruler)), and do not advocate immoral or unethical activities, and do not condone illegal activity except where the law itself is unethical.

Well, sorry for talking you into doing the right thing, but doesn't it feel better to help others rather than steal from them? Wait, don't answer that.