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Title: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Hamuki on March 11, 2015, 04:45:53 PM
Hey people.

Is there anyone here that uses Tor?

And if so, can someone teach me how to use it properly?

No drugs or shit like that.

~Hamuki


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Pugsly on March 11, 2015, 06:22:34 PM
You can use and instal a web browser right? Just download the tor browser, install it, then use it. It'd really not that difficult. Just watch a youtube video or something to get the gist of it.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: fast2fix on March 11, 2015, 06:53:54 PM
Hey people.

Is there anyone here that uses Tor?

And if so, can someone teach me how to use it properly?

No drugs or shit like that.

~Hamuki
as pugsly said you've download the tor bundle and unpack it on c drive and it's ready to use. you don't have to apply any other extra settings.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on March 11, 2015, 07:09:40 PM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: FanEagle on March 11, 2015, 07:47:51 PM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on March 11, 2015, 08:01:30 PM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: coinpr0n on March 11, 2015, 08:12:44 PM
What part don't you understand yet? Do you already know how to get Tor installed? After you would probably want to try out some .onion addresses. Many popular sites will also have a .onion address, just Google it.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: FanEagle on March 11, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
yeah, go find the wiki of onions, which i wont say how's called because it's too frigging easy to find


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: hgerson on March 11, 2015, 10:40:31 PM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Is it possible to chain a vpn to TOR, ie the vpn provider sees your TOR exit node.

What about 2+ vpns or a proxy and a vpn?


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Erdogan on March 11, 2015, 10:53:39 PM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Is it possible to chain a vpn to TOR, ie the vpn provider sees your TOR exit node.

What about 2+ vpns or a proxy and a vpn?

Overkill. Just use TOR, heed the basic rules of caution, know the limitations.



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Nude on March 11, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
If it's just for web browsing, just install Tor Browser, if you want to hide your identity in more services go with TAILS.

Here's some stuff for you to read:

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en

https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en#Warning


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: hgerson on March 12, 2015, 01:35:04 AM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Is it possible to chain a vpn to TOR, ie the vpn provider sees your TOR exit node.

What about 2+ vpns or a proxy and a vpn?

Overkill. Just use TOR, heed the basic rules of caution, know the limitations.



May be overkill but I need to use a vpn because I want to control the end IP.



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Erdogan on March 12, 2015, 01:42:14 AM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Is it possible to chain a vpn to TOR, ie the vpn provider sees your TOR exit node.

What about 2+ vpns or a proxy and a vpn?

Overkill. Just use TOR, heed the basic rules of caution, know the limitations.



May be overkill but I need to use a vpn because I want to control the end IP.



So use only the vpn. You can get it anonymously, but the provider knows your ip, and you have to trust them just a bit more than you have to trust the tor project.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: hgerson on March 12, 2015, 03:00:42 AM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Is it possible to chain a vpn to TOR, ie the vpn provider sees your TOR exit node.

What about 2+ vpns or a proxy and a vpn?

Overkill. Just use TOR, heed the basic rules of caution, know the limitations.



May be overkill but I need to use a vpn because I want to control the end IP.



So use only the vpn. You can get it anonymously, but the provider knows your ip, and you have to trust them just a bit more than you have to trust the tor project.


But is it technically impossible or just overkill?



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: jones techbit on March 12, 2015, 06:09:15 AM
I was wondering if there is any alternative available to the Tor Browser?


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: sionsandman on March 12, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
I was wondering if there is any alternative available to the Tor Browser?

There are freenet (https://freenetproject.org/faq.html) and i2p (https://geti2p.net/).

I2P VS Freenet VS Tor (http://www.reddit.com/r/i2p/comments/1lk49r/i2p_vs_freenet_vs_tor/)



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Erdogan on March 13, 2015, 12:35:31 AM
Probably best to use it inside Tails OS.

https://tails.boum.org/

Too easy to leak your IP otherwise.


You can always remember that NSA tracks down everyone who checks for the download page of tor or tails ::)

This is correct. Tor doesn't protect it's users from others finding out they are using the Tor network.
Tor is a tool, it has limitations like any other tool.


Is it possible to chain a vpn to TOR, ie the vpn provider sees your TOR exit node.

What about 2+ vpns or a proxy and a vpn?

Overkill. Just use TOR, heed the basic rules of caution, know the limitations.



May be overkill but I need to use a vpn because I want to control the end IP.



So use only the vpn. You can get it anonymously, but the provider knows your ip, and you have to trust them just a bit more than you have to trust the tor project.


But is it technically impossible or just overkill?



It is possible I guess, go ahead and try.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: b!z on March 13, 2015, 01:10:46 AM
Download the TOR Browser Bundle from the website and verify that you have the right files. It should work out of the box.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: hgerson on March 16, 2015, 12:22:25 AM



But is it technically impossible or just overkill?



It is possible I guess, go ahead and try.


I don't know how to do it. I was just asking.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Fernandez on March 16, 2015, 06:15:05 AM



But is it technically impossible or just overkill?



It is possible I guess, go ahead and try.


I don't know how to do it. I was just asking.

It is possible. The problem is that then you are trusting the VPS service provider. Tor data is not encrypted so if they want they can find out what you were surfing.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on March 16, 2015, 07:37:57 AM
Watch out for those "trusted" VPN honeypots.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Fernandez on March 16, 2015, 08:04:29 AM
Watch out for those "trusted" VPN honeypots.

Best not to mix Tor and VPN. Tor on its own is good enough, especially if there are lots of other users around you.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: sionsandman on March 17, 2015, 12:57:27 AM


May be overkill but I need to use a vpn because I want to control the end IP.




Best not to mix Tor and VPN. Tor on its own is good enough, especially if there are lots of other users around you.

But with TOR you have no control over the exit IP.



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: xmasdobo on March 17, 2015, 01:03:09 AM
I just posted this but anyway: can you tell me an example of someone that got compromised using tor + javascript off/flash off/stupid shit off and didn't do stupid mistakes like revealing your real name like the silk road dude? as far as i know it never happened but im not sure.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on March 17, 2015, 09:01:04 AM
But with TOR you have no control over the exit IP.

You can manually choose which exit node you wish to use in your circuit. You will need to manually edit your torrc conf file.
Code:
ExitNodes server1, server2, server3
StrictExitNodes 1


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: mark coins on March 19, 2015, 02:03:29 AM
I would not recommend doing this at work. It would be hard to justify and you might have people accuse you of doing things you aren't doing.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: |Bitcoin| on March 19, 2015, 04:06:00 AM
You can use and instal a web browser right? Just download the tor browser, install it, then use it. It'd really not that difficult. Just watch a youtube video or something to get the gist of it.

It work for the first time. Wheb I tried to connect again it took a long time to connect.


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: rockBTC on March 19, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
i use tor, its pretty easy to use if your main browser is firefox


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: rockBTC on March 19, 2015, 10:42:37 PM
I just posted this but anyway: can you tell me an example of someone that got compromised using tor + javascript off/flash off/stupid shit off and didn't do stupid mistakes like revealing your real name like the silk road dude? as far as i know it never happened but im not sure.
it is virtually impossible to track somebody with these conditions unless you post your name and where you live


Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: Erdogan on March 20, 2015, 02:36:51 AM
I just posted this but anyway: can you tell me an example of someone that got compromised using tor + javascript off/flash off/stupid shit off and didn't do stupid mistakes like revealing your real name like the silk road dude? as far as i know it never happened but im not sure.
it is virtually impossible to track somebody with these conditions unless you post your name and where you live

I use tor, and it is quite evident that google have no problems identifying me. I suppose they use browser fingerprinting and of course cookies. And flash has its own cookie system, other extensions too, I suppose. So in addition to using tor, you should turn off lots of stuff in the browser, which is already done in the tor-browser.

If you want more untracability, you could use a separate machine or virtual machine, and make sure you don't ever use your real identity on that machine. Maybe shred everything after use, and start every session on a clean machine.

When you write something on a message board or whatever, it is easy to let slip through information that can reveal your identity.

As you understand, it is quite difficult, in practice, to avoid being tracked.



Title: Re: Any Tor network users here?
Post by: extrabyte on March 20, 2015, 03:52:59 AM
The cool thing about Tor's encryption model is that only node 3 (the 'exit node') is ever able to read your traffic (but they don't know who it's from). The other nodes in the middle only ever see encrypted packets they can't fully decrypt, so they can be completely untrusted.