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A human body is about equivalent to a 100 watt light bulb in terms of the heat it produces. So what happens to all this energy when you die if you cant destroy it ?

Umm, you stop converting energy from food to motion/ion channels/whatever and then into heat, so, this energy remains as food, which you didn't eat?

Did I get close? Can't tell if you are quizzing or questioning.

What happens to the energy of 100W light bulb when it breaks?

It's a nonsensical question.

When you die, you stop metabolizing and generating heat other than the chemical bonds breaking down. Most of that energy will be used by other life forms like mostly bacteria.

It goes to power the matrix!  :D

When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the grass. And so we are all connnected in the great Circle of Life.  

Human powered bitcoin mining  :D

Thanks mufasa

I think there's a misconception at work here.

What Einstein meant was the equivalence of mass and energy, and the conservation of both.

The ~100W power output of the human body stems from chemical reactions, fed by burning food with oxygen. If you ask what happens to the energy stored in the mass of a human: nothing for all we know, the atoms remain.

If there were a way to convert the mass of a human into energy, the word "suicide bomber" would get a whole new meaning. It would be on the order of all nuclear bomb tests in history combined.

Actually that was about Inedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia). Or the energetic equivalent of it.
Yes that film was way more fucked up than most people realize.

You become grass and cows eat it then get turned into a big mac.

And then the next bloke eats the big mac and we start back at the start again and again.

Yes id imagine that the molecules in your body would be inable to continue their normal process and the vibrational patterns would dissipate and your body would then break up(and dissolve) into the universe

I think the misconception here is how W is being used to measure energy. The unit of energy is the joule, not the watt (that is the unit of power). Power is energy over time, or more specifically represents the conversion of energy from one form to another over time. When the power shuts down, this conversion ceases.

I hope this is an adequate scientific answer, albeit simplified greatly.

Xenland you know I love you like a brother, but "vibrational patterns?" WTF?

Has anyone mentioned "entropy" yet?

Heat Death. Heat Death everywhere...

I guess i went too quantum for you... Okay so basically when bacteria/organisms in your body can't get energy the molecules that make up the bacteria/oragnisms in your body them selves don't exchange energy and thus the vibrational patterns(energy exchange) to sustain creatures assistance will dissipate into the ground/air instead of pumping blood blood or filtering food or liquids.

We are all nuclear bombs?

You can compress a human into a diamond given enough pressure since we are simply carbon based lifeforms.

Dont know how many carats you would end up with per human  :D

trolls.. always confusing power with energy.

The energy is stored in the form of (relatively) unstable chemical bonds (ie chemical potential energy). When these bonds spontaneously break the energy will be released as heat. When bacteria or some animal consume the tissue there are enzymes designed to speeds up the rate at which these bonds break and harness the energy of breaking one bond to form different ones useful to the consumer. Another option to get some useful work out of a carcass is stimulating nerves causing movement of arms and legs (http://www.backyardbrains.com/Home.aspx). However, without constant influx of oxygen and food you will soon run out of ATP so this is much less efficient than just eating the carcass and letting your enzymes do their thing.

Yes! Robin Williams a la Mr. Roberts.

~Cackling Bear~

The body does not "produce" energy.  That energy is already in the foods we eat.  It's the same energy that's been around since the beginning of the universe.  We simply release that energy when we break down molecules in our cells.  Now, if you could continue to eat after you die, then this discussion might have a future.  Zombies...anyone...

Sorry, zombies only eat but do not digest. Their physiology is magical. See this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus) wikipedia entry for more information.

Approximately 80,000 carats if you could extract all the carbon in the various organic compounds.  Significantly more if you're not as picky about purity.

You can actually pay to have your hair or cremation ashes turned into a diamond. Interesting way to memorialize someone http://www.lifegem.com/

Excuse me but the "vibrational patterns" thing is nonsense, and what has "quantum" to do with that?

W/e mate neither of us are scientists i've got stuff to attend to then the accuracy of my words with a language that already has many ambigiousness to it to begin with.

I thought Xenland was using poetic imagery to describe a spiritual relationship with the universe. I was just confused at first because it was in a sciencey thread. If you take it in the context I think he meant it, it's a rather nice idea. Not reality, but then what shaman was ever anchored in reality?

What you said makes sense, the part that doesn't make sense is the "vibrational patterns" thing

Oh, from my understanding every thing is a vibration, happyness comes and goe, sadness comesand goes, life comes and goes. The white blood cells vibrational pattern would be to grow and live, contain bacteria inside it self, then self destruct(killing everything inside). All those examples could be represented in a wave(like the stock market type of wave) but they all go back down to zero representing death or no more vibration. Although atoms vibrate and constantly move(according to science) so everything is a vibration even if we as a person dies.

Thinking back on it i think i said vibrational patterns becuase its easyer for me to explain then to say "the X organisms in your body cease to obtain energy through food or liquids by means of putting it into your body with your arms" but that sounds contridictory and most people die by organ failure not starvations so i went with vibrational patterns.

This thread has extended beyond sensible explanations...

More integers and units, please.

Hehe senses and perception hehe

I grok where you are coming from, but prefer vortex patterns as a description of universal self-similarity. Energy propagates radially but has properties that appear laterally as well as linearly. I think quantum interference patterns are waves that propagate in a vortex pattern with both radial and lateral directionality. I think this is supported by monochromatic interference fringes. The vortex itself is the wave crossing space-time dimensions and could probably be measured with laser cooling experiments.

Can you describe these experiments for us? A simplified version of what you'd be looking for and what it would mean?

Now that's pretty interesting.

While the scatter-plot model looks good, so far there isn't anything that ties gravity to photons as particles. Gravitic lensing by large masses demonstrate that there is a connection between energy and gravity. Light seems unaffected by discrete gravitic forces until it meets something like an event horizon. It is supposed to be the warping of space-time, but it may be more than that if gravity itself causes energy to vortex. In order to account for the small gravity forces, we need to scale down energy as well. The goal would be to measure gravitic lensing on double-slit experiment with super-cooled photons. They should give a predictable rates of lensing based on nearby masses which means it would probably need to be done in deep space and near a very massive object. I would predict that monochromatic light would scatter in an arc because the cooling would decrease the energy of the photon and make it more affected by gravity. It would be better to run the experiment within an event horizon, but really I believe everything is interrelated and minimizing the variable of energy should reveal further traits of photons. I'm not sure we are anywhere near able to actually perform the experiment. I have no idea how to model the experiments mathematically. It just seems intuitive that vortexes help explain how particle-waves propagate even with relation to gravity. The self-similarity is the vortex nature of orbits which also spiral.

We need to spend more money on experimental science. This is why we don't have nice things! Incidentally, I have no real formal education in advanced physics, it's just a casual interest.

I might be misunderstanding you, but light is affected by the gravity from a large enough mass. An event horizon isn't required - so what is an event horizon-like object? I'm not taking the piss here, just trying to understand.

Actually, I don't think physics addresses the effect of gravity on light at all, only the space-time through which light passes. I think this leaves out a deeper relationship between energy and gravity outside of our perceived space-time. That is where I think vortexes appear in the truest sense and relate energy with gravity. This is where my idea about space-time comes in. I get into it more here (http://cbeastworld.blogspot.com/2012/06/gravitic-temperature.html). You're welcome to quote anything from that here. I think I am being pretty consistent, at least intuitively speaking.

I think I'm going to have to find a "For dummies" version. I understand fluid dynamic quite well, but the context may be making it hard for me to follow. Thanks for trying though.

Btw, interesting blog.

Yeah, it's hard to see when we're talking about the difference in scale between quantum and relativistic. I use the terms, but don't believe in the interpretations. I haven't worked out the how the states of space-time would evolve. Its hard to see fluid dynamics from our microcosmic viewpoint. We need much bigger lenses and more operational statistics (quantum computers) to interpret what we see.