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Title: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: (oYo) on March 14, 2015, 05:24:59 AM

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The money and valuables found in this one house alone, would be enough to pay for health insurance for every man woman and child in the USA for 12 years! It is estimated to be approximately 27 more of these houses in Mexico alone. Not to mention the ones in other countries who are enriching themselves in the drug trade. These people have so much money, they make the Arab oil sheiks look like welfare recipients. Their money can buy politicians, cops, judges, whatever they need they just throw down stacks of cash and it is theirs!

Guns, cash, exotic animals and art. -->  http://imgur.com/a/DYU2e (http://imgur.com/a/DYU2e)

The amount of guns and cash (over $22 billion!) that the authorities found is staggering. All I can say is, "Wow! Just... Wow!"



UPDATE:

It was nowhere near 22 billion dollars; it was 207 million dollars.

Also, those pictures have been around since 2007. This is an old story.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp (http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp)





Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: mishax1 on March 14, 2015, 08:26:40 AM
How about - Chinese Parliament Holds 83 Billionaires (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100535130)

Dirty money everywhere and it controls the world.. 

Good thing we brought Bitcoin to the fight  ;)


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: Chef Ramsay on March 14, 2015, 07:46:07 PM
That must be the motherload of all drug raids in history. Normally, a dozen kilos being pictured would be enough to raise many eye brows but this is incomprehensible in magnitude. I'm surprised this place wasn't being guarded by an army of sorts.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: CoinCidental on March 14, 2015, 08:01:58 PM
That must be the motherload of all drug raids in history. Normally, a dozen kilos being pictured would be enough to raise many eye brows but this is incomprehensible in magnitude. I'm surprised this place wasn't being guarded by an army of sorts.


That colossal room full of money has been in  threads already last year if not earlier .......
I have seen it many times but i dont remember the golden gun collection so maybe these pics
are from 2 separate raids mixed together .....


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: saddampbuh on March 14, 2015, 08:54:51 PM
i got a lot of respect for these guys


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: oblivi on March 14, 2015, 11:03:19 PM
I would rather be lower class than live with the constant fear of being shoot by policemen/enemies and not be able to relax and sleep at night ever again.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: picolo on March 14, 2015, 11:21:20 PM

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The money and valuables found in this one house alone, would be enough to pay for health insurance for every man woman and child in the USA for 12 years! It is estimated to be approximately 27 more of these houses in Mexico alone. Not to mention the ones in other countries who are enriching themselves in the drug trade. These people have so much money, they make the Arab oil sheiks look like welfare recipients. Their money can buy politicians, cops, judges, whatever they need they just throw down stacks of cash and it is theirs!

Guns, cash, exotic animals and art. -->  http://imgur.com/a/DYU2e

The amount of guns and cash (over $22 billion!) that the authorities found is staggering. All I can say is, "Wow! Just... Wow!"




22 Billions and so many valuable things ! It is incredible.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: jaysabi on March 15, 2015, 06:40:10 PM
The amount of guns and cash (over $22 billion!) that the authorities found is staggering. All I can say is, "Wow! Just... Wow!"

The first clue something is off is how obviously wrong the picture captions are. One says the money seized could purchase health insurance for every man, woman, and child in the US for 12 years. If that on the face of it doesn't seem unlikely, a more obvious one is a caption that starts with "Each of these stacks of 100's holds USD250,000" on a picture that's clearly showing only $20 bills.

Anyway, the internet went a little crazy with exaggeration here. It was nowhere near 22 billion dollars; it was 207 million dollars. Nothing to sneeze at, but being off by a factor of over 100 is pretty bad, even for the internet. I guess only $207 million dollars doesn't get whoever posted this on imgur the internet attention they crave, so they had to lie to make it more impressive. With 3.1 million hits, I would say the strategy worked.

Also, those pictures have been around since 2007. This is an old story.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp (http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp)


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: Nobitcoin on March 15, 2015, 06:47:46 PM
Why didn't they convert the cash to Bitcoins? Could have put some money away. Love to sleep on that pile.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: jaysabi on March 15, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
Why didn't they convert the cash to Bitcoins? Could have put some money away. Love to sleep on that pile.

Bitcoin didn't exist yet when this actually happened in 2007.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: sgk on March 15, 2015, 07:41:01 PM
Why didn't they convert the cash to Bitcoins? Could have put some money away. Love to sleep on that pile.

Bitcoin didn't exist yet when this actually happened in 2007.

After Satoshi's house was raided in Mexico and all his $22 Billion cash was seized in 2007, he started working on Bitcoin that no one can seize and released it in 2008.

 :P


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: CoinCidental on March 15, 2015, 08:26:33 PM
Why didn't they convert the cash to Bitcoins? Could have put some money away. Love to sleep on that pile.


thats probably just a small % of cash they couldnt launder through their existing network of HSBC accounts legit  banks and offshore investments etc



Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: jmintuck on March 15, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
"The money and valuables found in this one house alone, would be enough to pay for health insurance for every man woman and child in the USA for 12 years!"

That is a crazy amount of money. If the government confiscates it, then why don't they use it for the good ?


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided last year.
Post by: (oYo) on March 15, 2015, 09:11:20 PM
The amount of guns and cash (over $22 billion!) that the authorities found is staggering. All I can say is, "Wow! Just... Wow!"

The first clue something is off is how obviously wrong the picture captions are. One says the money seized could purchase health insurance for every man, woman, and child in the US for 12 years. If that on the face of it doesn't seem unlikely, a more obvious one is a caption that starts with "Each of these stacks of 100's holds USD250,000" on a picture that's clearly showing only $20 bills.

Anyway, the internet went a little crazy with exaggeration here. It was nowhere near 22 billion dollars; it was 207 million dollars. Nothing to sneeze at, but being off by a factor of over 100 is pretty bad, even for the internet. I guess only $207 million dollars doesn't get whoever posted this on imgur the internet attention they crave, so they had to lie to make it more impressive. With 3.1 million hits, I would say the strategy worked.

Also, those pictures have been around since 2007. This is an old story.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp (http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp)


Thank you for the correction. OP has been updated.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: grendel25 on March 15, 2015, 11:03:27 PM
So that's what 22 Billion dollars looks like.  Now I know what to look for!  I wonder if drugs were legal if they'd be as rich.  I don't think so but I think they'd still have billions of dollars.  See, even the underworld has income inequality.  Maybe if it were legalized and regulated there would be less poverty.  

My opinion, it's not drugs that should be illegal... it's greeeeeed.

Edit:  And I totally disagree with the last thing they say in that photo article, "This is why the drug problem is so difficult to fight."   Wrong wrong wrong.  It's so difficult to fight because it's basically an assault on freedoms and liberty.  The war on drugs is fundamentally wrong.  It should be a war on maturity and enforcing effective parenting.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: monkeygang on March 15, 2015, 11:08:57 PM
Did they catch theu guys.. or just raided the house?? why in the fkk would you hold so much tangible cash, bury gold bars in the jungle and keep a floating million. What is wrong with people.. Move to a place where they dont fkkn raid your house. Idiots


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: grendel25 on March 15, 2015, 11:18:00 PM
Did they catch theu guys.. or just raided the house?? why in the fkk would you hold so much tangible cash, bury gold bars in the jungle and keep a floating million. What is wrong with people.. Move to a place where they dont fkkn raid your house. Idiots

Who is to say that they didn't bury stuff in the jungle?  I'm sure they did and I bet they have stuff mixed up in legit accounts under assumed/disguised names too.  Yeah, no mention in the article of a "bust", "caught", or "jail", or "prison" so for all I know they did get away and are living on the billions stashed away around the world.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: monkeygang on March 15, 2015, 11:26:01 PM
Perhaps this is so.. but the case seems to be that people get caught with million in drugs,cash,btc, etc..  like that s.r. guy, who was in a public library in california or some other such nonsense.. move to finland or something flee jeez ???


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: (oYo) on March 15, 2015, 11:45:47 PM
Edit:  And I totally disagree with the last thing they say in that photo article, "This is why the drug problem is so difficult to fight."   Wrong wrong wrong.  It's so difficult to fight because it's basically an assault on freedoms and liberty.  The war on drugs is fundamentally wrong.  It should be a war on maturity and enforcing effective parenting.

If you notice, I omitted that part from the quote. While I agree that the "war on drugs" is an assault on our freedoms and liberty, this is not why it is "seemingly" so difficult to fight. Just like the "war on terror", it is just another war that is not meant to be won. It is meant to make a lot of money for a few (elites) and employ many others (in weapons manufacturing, law enforcement, prison guards, etc.), while incarcerating or killing certain ("undesirable") demographics.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a war on maturity", but the state does not want "effective parenting" either. The state wants to have complete control over your life, physically and mentally, from 'cradle to grave'.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: grendel25 on March 16, 2015, 01:43:51 AM
Edit:  And I totally disagree with the last thing they say in that photo article, "This is why the drug problem is so difficult to fight."   Wrong wrong wrong.  It's so difficult to fight because it's basically an assault on freedoms and liberty.  The war on drugs is fundamentally wrong.  It should be a war on maturity and enforcing effective parenting.

If you notice, I omitted that part from the quote. While I agree that the "war on drugs" is an assault on our freedoms and liberty, this is not why it is "seemingly" so difficult to fight. Just like the "war on terror", it is just another war that is not meant to be won. It is meant to make a lot of money for a few (elites) and employ many others (in weapons manufacturing, law enforcement, prison guards, etc.), while incarcerating or killing certain ("undesirable") demographics.

I'm not sure what you mean by "a war on maturity", but the state does not want "effective parenting" either. The state wants to have complete control over your life, physically and mentally, from 'cradle to grave'.

By a war on maturity, I mean that America assigns way too much taboo to the topic of drugs and is narrow minded for the most part when it comes to drug culture.  Drinking is a drug culture and it's more damaging then some "schedule 1" drugs.  In some ways I agree with your opinion regarding what the state wants but I'm also hopeful for fresh blood in politics that will shake the status quot. 


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: jaysabi on March 16, 2015, 06:36:55 PM
So that's what 22 Billion dollars looks like.  Now I know what to look for!  I wonder if drugs were legal if they'd be as rich.

Actually, that's only 207 million dollars. 22 billion would be, literally, 100 times more impressive.

And I think they certainly wouldn't have had that much money if drugs were legal. The illegality of drugs creates the black market for them, and their willingness to use violence in an unregulated market is what gives them market share. Without drug laws, there would be open competition and prices would fall, cutting profits for the cartels. In this sense, it is prohibition which creates violent drug cartels, the same way it did with bootleggers during alcohol prohibition in the US, where Capone and his gangsters made his riches doing the same thing.


Title: Re: Photos from a Mexican drug lord's home after it was raided back in 2007.
Post by: redhack on March 16, 2015, 10:04:55 PM
So that's what 22 Billion dollars looks like.  Now I know what to look for!  I wonder if drugs were legal if they'd be as rich.

Actually, that's only 207 million dollars. 22 billion would be, literally, 100 times more impressive.

And I think they certainly wouldn't have had that much money if drugs were legal. The illegality of drugs creates the black market for them, and their willingness to use violence in an unregulated market is what gives them market share. Without drug laws, there would be open competition and prices would fall, cutting profits for the cartels. In this sense, it is prohibition which creates violent drug cartels, the same way it did with bootleggers during alcohol prohibition in the US, where Capone and his gangsters made his riches doing the same thing.

+Nucky Johnson, Bugsy Siegel etc. Prohibition was the biggest opportunity in 30's. Since last 80 years drugs are the best way to make ridiculous money.