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As the European Coal and Steel Community of Jean Monnet evolved into the EU, we were told a “United States of Europe” was at hand, modeled on the USA. And other countries and continents will inevitably follow Europe’s example.

There will be a North American Union of the U.S., Canada and Mexico, and a Latin America Union of the Mercosur trade partnership.

In an essay, “The E.U. Experiment Has Failed,” Bruce Thornton of Hoover Institution makes the case that the verdict is in, the dream is dead, the EU is unraveling, One Europe is finished.

Consider, first, economics. In 2013, Europe grew by 1 percent compared to the U.S.’s 2.2 percent. In December, unemployment in Europe was 11.4 percent. In the U.S., 5.6 percent. Americans are alarmed by the lowest labor force participation rate since Reagan, 62.7 percent. In Europe, in 2013, it was 57.5 percent.

Europeans may wail over German-imposed “austerity,” but the government share of Europe’s GDP has gone from 45 percent in 2008 to 49 percent today. In Greece, it is 59 percent.

Most critical is the demographic crisis. For a nation to survive, its women must produce on average 2.1 children. Europe has not seen that high a fertility rate in 40 years. Today, it is down to 1.6 children.

Europeans are an aging, shrinking, disappearing, dying race.

And the places of Europe’s unborn are being filled by growing “concentrations of unassimilated and disaffected Muslim immigrants, segregated in neighborhoods like the banlieues of Paris or the satellite ‘dish cities’ of Amsterdam.

“Shut out from labor markets, plied with generous social welfare payments and allowed to cultivate beliefs and cultural practices inimical to democracy, many of these immigrants despise their new homes, and find the religious commitment and certainty of radical Islam an attractive alternative.”

More...https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/03/patrick-j-buchanan/good-riddance-to-bad-rubbish/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/03/patrick-j-buchanan/good-riddance-to-bad-rubbish/)

The amount of crap you post is unbelievable...

Death of the EU "experiment" would be a great thing for the world.
Keep the good news coming.  :)

Keep watching Fox News, keep stupid!

no, I don't agree! You totally ignore the benefit  that the European Union brings to them! Although Germany holds different views from the other countries, the whole continent is united together to tackle the economic crisis in some peripheral countries. They are improving together.

You equate economist Lew Rockwell with Fox News?
LOL... For a moment you really seemed to be naked, Buck.  :D

I can't believe there are people out there who genuinely support what is essentailly a bunch of unelected imperialists bent on taking over the whole of Europe through subterfuge and bankruptcy and then calling that a good thing. You can have free movement and free trade without pointing guns and threatening people you know, not being a gigantic asshole is a great start.... Oh no, I just agreed with the religious author of that article, I think I need to go and masturbate and support gay marriage more to even things out.


They are not improving together in the slightest, countries that use purely debt to trade with other nations are extremely parasitic in nature, Greece is a perfect example of the way it practically has the EU hostage right now despite the fact that it's a failing state.

There's worlds of differences between Fox and LRC but you must be too untoward to realize it. Neocon central vs libertarian/ancapland are two vastly different places. You can judge my other posts in their respective areas, thx. I guess you think the EU is thriving..

Sadly this failure was predicted many years ago. I've been thinking a lot lately about the fall of Europe- it's responsible for many great things over the centuries. Being British and loving the once vibrant culture of Europe it is sad to be living in the tail end of it's demise but perhaps it is natural? Cultures and races rise and fall, now it's time for Europeans to become acquainted with the reality of their idealogical obsessions.

I think one of the most salient questions is will Europe descend into out and out socialism or will their be a re-emergence of common sense? I honestly don't know the answer.

The European Union will disintegrate just like the Soviet Union.

In the 1980s, the parasite population (from non-productive republics such as Uzbekistan and Tadzhikistan) began to explode, while the productive population (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians.etc) remained stable. Once the parasites crossed the 20% mark, the others could not sustain them and everything collapsed.

Even before the accession of Poland, Romania.etc, the EU had its fair share of parasites. And after the accession, it got worse. The time has come now, for its eventual collapse.

I think Europe will collapse in the next 6/7 years, first Greece after Italy (I live here, and I hope in a real revolution) and then each eu state one by one. It is like a program if it is not written well ... It will crash (only a question of time, and the time is near to the end).

Every country that owes money is dying. China will rise up, India will follow. We can only hope all fiat crashes and bitcoin takes over. Having all that debt trying to keep economies afloat is not the way to live. It's a burden that gets worse and worse and has to get reset one day.

It's going to be a slow process of change in the coming years, I just hope things fall the right way for the people, not the rich puppet masters of the world.

The core of the EU is still working well together and prospering.
Germany, France, Holland, Austria, all are doing pretty well economically and lets not forget that several major wars were fought between these countries not long ago, whereas that seems unthinkable at the moment.

The peripherals might start to leave soon in my opinion. Iceland doesn't want to join anymore, the UK will probably leave and Greece, Portugal and Spain all have enough problems with the Euro that they might leave at some point.
I don't think the EU will die, but I think it might shrink back to it's core, much like the roman empire once did without collapsing

... the Roman empire eventually collapsed after splitting and shrinking. Like Rome the EU also needs more and more expansion just for keeping itself afloat. What we can see now is the struggling because of the lack of expansion.
History repeating itself. This new Rome is now slowly declining and the barbarians are already here both inside and on the borders (waiting for visas).

You practically summed up my point of view.

"EU" as we know it is a collective term for many unions. There is monetary union, free trade zone, free movement. I believe the weakest link is the monetary union. I believe is ill-formed at birth: One currency but different fiscal controls for each local country? EU would work when all members have solid budgets and surpluses. The problem comes when "peripheral" countries (no offense) starts tweak their balance sheet in good economic times to join the EU. Gradually, it became bloated and struggles with survival.

A vast amount of articles shared by OP have no, or very little basis in reality, it's pretty much Fox News style crap, as for this particular article, since EEC times, every year, some "bright" minds predict the end of the union, it's pretty much like bitcoin obituaries...

I find this particular quote amazing because it's wrong on so many levels, "For a nation to survive, its women must produce on average 2.1 children".

Europe is hard to unite, there are too many differences within the different countries, they all think themselves superiour to the other countries, that means friction.

Segregation is part of every country, look at the US where the segregation of african americans is still at hand. It is a tough thing to beat, but it by no means an indication of how the union or states are doing in general.

The big threats are the countries that are at the edge of bankrupty, or are allready pushed over, they might act strange and take the quarels to a whole new level, agressing even into war.

The union is no more than a trade union, they should focus on those aspects and stop trying to unite the people and countries, it will never work out. We like to be part of our own community, it is only natural, it is seggregation, but it is a thing imposed on us by all parties involved, we like to stick together, 'the others' are strange and we do not feel comfortable around them, this is always going both ways.

Hate him if you like, but just because you disagree with him doesn't make him wrong on things, I don't always agree with the communists/marxists but they do make some good points occasionally, especially about religion.

We Europeans were fighting for centuries to establish and maintain out independent nation states. The last major clash ended only 70 years ago. These old grudges are not something what a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels can undone in a few decades. Perhaps the muslims as a common enemy will bring us closer to each other like during the heydays of the Ottoman Empire.

this is the european union we need



https://i.imgur.com/frcxPoV.png



this is the european union that exists



https://i.imgur.com/bjNH6BQ.jpg

You can troll better than that. Come on!

Sorry but fuck the EU and their finances. You wanted socialist/marxist bullshit well you got it, in spades. If the French have finally awoken to realize they have been bamboozled then we are indeed late in the game. And it appears they have. The real question is what will become of FUSA? Fuck nationalism, how about localism?

Not yet.

Localism is a really good idea. Paired with a Swiss type direct democracy (what seems to me as a practical implementation of localism itself) that would be the most ideal political system.

Dead before it even started, wait, you can all borrow money at rates that aren't applicable to you state's balance, yet who cares, every citizin will have to pay for every mismaneged country, the whole idea was ridiculous and a farce, look at Scandinavia and UK go, they didn't need the Euro, yet their economy is far better....

I don't know about Scandinavia, but the UK economy is like the least dirty shirt in a pile of laundry. 'Far better' would be too strong a word IMO. It has one of the highest level of consumer (and government) debt in the world. At least the government has some control of it's currency.

It's capitalism that's dying, the collapse of the EU is just a symptom.

Evil capitalists using all that free market created by the European Parliment.  ::)

Scandinavia is a very big area my friend, don't know which COUNTRY you referring to, but several countries in Scandinavia do FAR better then most countries in the EU, it's a fact, not really up for debate. Then there's the social programme's, which are far more sophisticated and expensive, yet they still have a better economy....

When I said I don't know, I meant I have no intimate knowledge of those economies. But I am skeptical of Norway's long term prospects when their oil wells run low.

I would say "far better" is not too strong compared to Greece and Spain. The debt and budget deficit is nothing to be proud of, unemployment fell to 5.8% which is very good by EU standards. We had a close call with the referendum, but that's behind us now.


Not giving up the British Pound is the best move ever, sterling is still one of strongest currency in the world.

I agree, many people I talk to LOVE the euro because it's convenient. It's crazy. They will readily admit to knowing nothing about economics but  relentlessly defend the euro.

You see, my political commissar in the army told me the same stuff twenty some years ago. As I see capitalism is still here but our glorious socialism went down the drain. Even the Chinese hard-liners switched to some sort of capitalism. Capitalism most likely will transform over the time to a more sustainable hopefully more localized form but that will be still capitalism, as capitalism is the natural way for economy.

Not just that, it is man's natural state. Laws/Rules are of course necessary for a functioning society wether it be cultural, voluntary or compelled. I do not know where capitalism will end up, it's still here in some shattered remnant and continues to to create innovation despite the onslaught against it during the last century.

As you said it's man's natural state. Until today only capitalism been able to give some sort of vision of the future and the feeling of progress. I think (besides the lack of basic maths) the lack of vision of the future was one of the main reasons of the socialist economy.

The European Union was dead before it started. Just because a bunch of leaders from different countries got together to make and accept something like the European Union, doesn't mean that the people accept it.

People in Europe generally haven't had life quite as easy as those in America. Because of this, they are a bit more aware of the goofy things their politically inclined leaders do.

The people might want things to be better. They might wish and hope that their leaders could do things right. But their experiences all the way back to WWI times show them that their leaders are close to crazy.

If the EU had worked and had showed signs of great improvement in foundational quality of life, the people might have welcomed it. But because of the threats and potential threats caused by the EU, most of the people are against it, and entirely dissatisfied with their leaders.

:)

So because we're not hitting the children quota, we will die out?
Yeah right. Those rates are constantly changing over time, and are useless. Besides, the planet is overpopulated as it is.

This post is useless in my opinion. The EU isn't doing great, that's correct, but who is? The US isn't either. Just because of the recent spike in the value of $ doesn't mean that it will stay that way and that things are well.
The world has yet to recover from the financial situation that it is in.

The south countries will probably create their own union and currency or something, since they are feed up with being troika slaves.

Oh! The overpopulation myth again :). That's cute.

How is it a myth. Once we start lacking resources you will see. The planet can only holds a certain number of people, is it not so?
This seems like a bit off-topic though.
Do you feel like there is or isn't enough people on the planet?

Europe should probably be more open to immigration.
Having a fertility rate of more than 2 is not the only solution.  :)
But for that, xenophobia has to be overcome.

I think the EU is very similar to the USA sadly.. The Euro currency, states divided under the same flag, I don't think anything good will come from this. We don't get to vote, the last thing we voted about was wether or not to join the Euro (if you look past the elections) which is over 10 years ago now.

I think the EU was created to have a long cancer death instead of a rapid economic collapse (which the cancer will lead to either way).

I do agree that the European Union is facing many challenges right now, but most of that can be solved.

IMO the biggest problem with the EU is that we have the Euro, but every country in the Eurozone still makes their own budget.

I hope the e.u dies. Europe should be countries that have their own sovereignty not one nation.

Pretty soon telomerase (also spelled telomerease) will be developed and the fertility rate won't matter any more because nobody will die.

 :D

More open? Europe is already pretty open to immigration. Any EU member can freely move around anywhere they want and it's not hard for people to emigrate from countries that fall outside of Europe either.