Title: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: ripper234 on August 09, 2012, 12:13:08 PM Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: waspoza on August 09, 2012, 12:15:44 PM Omg its over, no more bitcoins left. ;)
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Gyrsur on August 09, 2012, 12:16:03 PM crowd is pro bitcoin... 8)
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:16:41 PM I think something is up. I had a sell order (on Gox) disappear on me overnight. I can't trace it down. Thought I was going crazy until I see less than 2000 BTC on the entire sell side of the order book.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cypherdoc on August 09, 2012, 12:17:39 PM Amazing!
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 12:18:02 PM I think something is up. I had a sell order (on Gox) disappear on me overnight. I can't trace it down. Thought I was going crazy until I see less than 2000 BTC on the entire sell side of the order book. yea, i call hax.Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: zby on August 09, 2012, 12:18:37 PM I think something is up. I had a sell order (on Gox) disappear on me overnight. I can't trace it down. Thought I was going crazy until I see less than 2000 BTC on the entire sell side of the order book. Mine also dissapeared - but it was not overnight - I saw it just half an hour ago.But the bitcoins are still on my accout. Maybe it is that the MtGox on-line bitcoin wallet got depleted? Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:19:18 PM Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: waspoza on August 09, 2012, 12:19:29 PM Gox is bugged. Damn amateurs.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:20:36 PM So the question is, at what time did the sell orders disappear and are they going to roll back trading to that time?
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: rebuilder on August 09, 2012, 12:21:39 PM Maybe we'll soon see the automated kill switch engage and stop trading? Did anyone at Gox ever say what the swing threshold for that is?
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Gyrsur on August 09, 2012, 12:22:25 PM pirate has to jump in and sell some coins and by them back at a higher price... ;D Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:26:50 PM Damn nice rally if it doesn't get rolled back ;D
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: runlinux on August 09, 2012, 12:27:39 PM ungh.. the last thing we all need are more problems... esp at gox.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Sant001 on August 09, 2012, 12:27:57 PM So now price is going up because of a glitch on the trading platform and look at it, people are still buying ::)
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Gyrsur on August 09, 2012, 12:28:34 PM so difficulty is to high people shut down there GPU miners and sell them before ASIC is coming and then nobody sell their earned coins because of the coming next bubble?
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:28:39 PM either misinfo on my side or only a short break Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 12:28:46 PM there will be a rollback :(
sux cuz i made some really good trades today Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Clipse on August 09, 2012, 12:30:23 PM Tux states there is nothing wrong, dont see why there would be a rollback if its legit.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:30:45 PM Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: runlinux on August 09, 2012, 12:31:05 PM trades are still happening over the feed.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 12:31:05 PM Tux states there is nothing wrong, dont see why there would be a rollback if its legit. source?Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:31:21 PM Tux states there is nothing wrong, dont see why there would be a rollback if its legit. awesome. *whips out popcorn* Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: rebuilder on August 09, 2012, 12:31:46 PM Tux states there is nothing wrong, dont see why there would be a rollback if its legit. link? Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: aq on August 09, 2012, 12:32:42 PM IRC
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Technomage on August 09, 2012, 12:32:49 PM Tux is WRONG if he says there is nothing wrong. The trading engine has been full of glitches today. Orders disappearing, getting filled partially etc.
I have a very hard time believing that there is nothing wrong. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:33:14 PM Tux states there is nothing wrong? I have a third source that says his sell orders disappeared over on BTC-E chat: "Smoovious: yeah, and all of my pending sell orders are gone, but the coin wasn't sold"
I saw the damn order book go down to under 2000BTC all the way up to $100,000,000 and he says there is nothing wrong? OK, so everybody who had sell orders deleted them all at the same time? right. It wasn't just one guy with sell orders on the market. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:33:37 PM Tux is WRONG if he says there is nothing wrong. The trading engine has been full of glitches today. Orders disappearing, getting filled partially etc. I have a very hard time believing that there is nothing wrong. actually, me too. The order-book shouldn't be empty like that and multiple people reported on vanishing asks. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: runlinux on August 09, 2012, 12:36:55 PM HOLY SHIT 1 MILLION!!!!
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Clipse on August 09, 2012, 12:37:03 PM I only relayed what Tux stated on irc right now.
If he changes his mind well then he changes his mind, but that was last word from him. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:37:40 PM Oh sweet, now Clark Moody is show the high of the day at 1000000000.00 hahaha. "Yep, nothing wrong here!" - Tux
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 12:38:09 PM standard gox
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Clipse on August 09, 2012, 12:39:06 PM Oh sweet, now Clark Moody is show the high of the day at 1000000000.00 hahaha. "Yep, nothing wrong here!" - Tux Really? You must be using your own custom clark moody, mine clearly states 11.98998 as high of day. I do see the $1bil on mtgox site but not on clark moody. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cbeast on August 09, 2012, 12:40:12 PM Oh sweet, now Clark Moody is show the high of the day at 1000000000.00 hahaha. "Yep, nothing wrong here!" - Tux Really? You must be using your own custom clark moody, mine clearly states 11.98998 as high of day. Quote Last price:$11.78939 High:$1,000,000,000.00000 Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: mjsbuddha on August 09, 2012, 12:40:50 PM Oh sweet, now Clark Moody is show the high of the day at 1000000000.00 hahaha. "Yep, nothing wrong here!" - Tux Really? You must be using your own custom clark moody, mine clearly states 11.98998 as high of day. a billion for me too. and my charts crashed Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: runlinux on August 09, 2012, 12:41:00 PM https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21251183/gox.jpg
You tell me ? Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Bitcoin Oz on August 09, 2012, 12:41:08 PM https://i.imgur.com/EFZED.png bahahaha
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Philj on August 09, 2012, 12:41:35 PM we've cleared the way to make 1btc=$100US
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: proudhon on August 09, 2012, 12:42:34 PM I'm scared.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Technomage on August 09, 2012, 12:43:14 PM The question is: Why the hell the trading engine hasn't been stopped yet?
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:43:36 PM I'm scared. you should be dancing, it's looking like order don't get accepted currently. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cbeast on August 09, 2012, 12:43:56 PM I'm scared. Nothing to see here. Move along.Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:43:59 PM Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: TTBit on August 09, 2012, 12:44:52 PM I think it was an error - someone wanted to buy 1 billion coins, not pay 1 billion for a coin.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: aq on August 09, 2012, 12:45:07 PM I'm scared. Would you remove the bear if now 1BTC==$1B?Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Clipse on August 09, 2012, 12:45:11 PM same old 0 volume purchase bug that was supposed to be fixed before, I guess someone is actively looking at ways to exploit this, heh.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 12:45:20 PM The question is: Why the hell the trading engine hasn't been stopped yet? I think it has. Entered an ask 3 minutes ago... still pending. no trades on the feed. Cancelling order doesn't work. Exactly like a while ago (1 or 2 weeks?) Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:47:21 PM Yeah no trades for over 6 minutes, I think he finally hit the kill button. Wish I had my money in other exchanges because they rallied as well, with no rollback possibility (probably).
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Technomage on August 09, 2012, 12:47:30 PM Yeah, they halted trading a few minutes ago. That's a relief. Most likely this is some very weird bug in their system.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: mem on August 09, 2012, 12:48:07 PM I think it was an error - someone wanted to buy 1 billion coins, not pay 1 billion for a coin. lol, scary if true :P Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Technomage on August 09, 2012, 12:48:31 PM Yeah no trades for over 6 minutes, I think he finally hit the kill button. Wish I had my money in other exchanges because they rallied as well, with no rollback possibility (probably). As far as I know the rally till $11.5 was completely legit. It was only after then that the asks disappeared.Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:51:47 PM Yeah no trades for over 6 minutes, I think he finally hit the kill button. Wish I had my money in other exchanges because they rallied as well, with no rollback possibility (probably). As far as I know the rally till $11.5 was completely legit. It was only after then that the asks disappeared.Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 12:52:10 PM Yeah no trades for over 6 minutes, I think he finally hit the kill button. Wish I had my money in other exchanges because they rallied as well, with no rollback possibility (probably). As far as I know the rally till $11.5 was completely legit. It was only after then that the asks disappeared.its most likely gona rolled back to 11.1 Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 12:54:58 PM is this an issue that is possible to roll back? since trading wasn't frozen what how would they roll back? say someone made 200 btc off of this glitch and then withdrew them. How to fix that?
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: aq on August 09, 2012, 12:56:44 PM Most other exchanges are around at 11.5 also, so I think at least 11.5 is legit. And MtGox usually being 0.2 to 0.3 higher than the others, even 11.8 sounds legit
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 12:59:15 PM is this an issue that is possible to roll back? since trading wasn't frozen what how would they roll back? say someone made 200 btc off of this glitch and then withdrew them. How to fix that? Good question.Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: mjsbuddha on August 09, 2012, 01:08:21 PM and now we wait...
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: rebuilder on August 09, 2012, 01:09:39 PM is this an issue that is possible to roll back? since trading wasn't frozen what how would they roll back? say someone made 200 btc off of this glitch and then withdrew them. How to fix that? Given precedent from last year, Gox would roll back what they could (not yet withdrawn), try to get as much of the rest back by asking nicely (or maybe less nicely) and cover any losses out of their own pocket. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 09, 2012, 01:21:18 PM some trades seem to have slipped through
(GMT+1) Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: mjsbuddha on August 09, 2012, 01:27:37 PM trading seems to have resumed at $11.80
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: oakpacific on August 09, 2012, 01:28:51 PM "Everything is bogus, this whole rally thing is bogus, they will finally find out and roll all the way back to $2."--from a desperate permabear
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Gyrsur on August 09, 2012, 01:29:45 PM "Everything is bogus, this whole rally thing is bogus, they will finally find out and roll all the way back to $2."--from a desperate permabear LOL then bitcoin will go back to 0.01 Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Mageant on August 09, 2012, 01:30:04 PM Mt. Gox: "Sorry, we're all out of Bitcoin."
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Mistafreeze on August 09, 2012, 01:30:53 PM So note to self:
A $1,000,000,000 order fucks Mt.Gox. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: gilgil on August 09, 2012, 01:32:17 PM Also notice very low ask vol. in BTC-e:
http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btceUSD_depth.html Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: phorensic on August 09, 2012, 02:06:15 PM The order book just fucked up again. My new sell order disappeared, price jumped way past it, no change in my balance of USD, depth chart super low on sell side. GOX!!!!!
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Technomage on August 09, 2012, 02:07:21 PM OMG they are fucking up big time. Trading resumed and the problem hasn't been fixed!
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Kluge on August 09, 2012, 02:12:39 PM OMG they are fucking up big time. Trading resumed and the problem hasn't been fixed! Seems to be halted again.Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 02:18:34 PM rollback to .0001c inc
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Kluge on August 09, 2012, 02:19:06 PM Trades have resumed.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cypherdoc on August 09, 2012, 02:38:44 PM that ask order book is thin for a reason...
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: oakpacific on August 09, 2012, 02:41:42 PM Could it be a hacker cancelling all the sell orders.........
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: kentrolla on August 09, 2012, 02:42:24 PM STOP RESUMING TRADING TILL U FIGURE THIS OUT FFS
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Kluge on August 09, 2012, 02:43:19 PM STOP RESUMING TRADING TILL U FIGURE THIS OUT FFS I'd like to buy some coins from someone off-exchange, but use Gox WtAvg to calculate price, so if Mark could confirm the issue's solved, it would be appreciated...Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Serge on August 09, 2012, 02:46:57 PM that ask order book is thin for a reason... no one's selling anymore, wonder why =) Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cypherdoc on August 09, 2012, 02:50:53 PM that ask order book is thin for a reason... no one's selling anymore, wonder why =) b/c it's going to $1 BILLION? Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: naima53 on August 09, 2012, 02:52:26 PM that ask order book is thin for a reason... no one's selling anymore, wonder why =) Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: imanikin on August 09, 2012, 02:59:24 PM This reminds us that Mt. Gox stands for Magic the Gathering Online Exchange!
Nothing is wrong there; it's just MAGIC! :D Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Kluge on August 09, 2012, 03:00:03 PM Gox Support posted an update and alleges the problem's solved. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99547.msg1088844#msg1088844
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cloon on August 09, 2012, 03:00:33 PM http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=5&i=Hourly&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=1&p=0&
looks legit... spike to 11.98 triangle broken!!! ;D Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Serge on August 09, 2012, 03:00:38 PM anyone dare to dump their priceless coins?)
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cypherdoc on August 09, 2012, 03:00:49 PM actually aberrant, massively out of line candle spikes are not that unusual with stocks. it always makes you wonder why...
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cheat_2_win on August 09, 2012, 03:16:15 PM where have all the bitcoins gone?
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Cablez on August 09, 2012, 03:18:54 PM A HA HA.....I have them all now!!! I am the
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cypherdoc on August 09, 2012, 03:20:01 PM where have all the bitcoins gone? isn't that a song? Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cheat_2_win on August 09, 2012, 03:24:09 PM where have all the bitcoins gone? isn't that a song? yes :D It describes current situation perfectly. Nobody is selling in bulk anymore. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: 01BTC10 on August 09, 2012, 03:27:12 PM Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: cypherdoc on August 09, 2012, 03:28:05 PM where have all the bitcoins gone? isn't that a song? yes :D It describes current situation perfectly. Nobody is selling Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Ausversucht on August 09, 2012, 04:09:57 PM My stuff just got rolled back, had made a sale after the problem, have coins back now
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Gladamas on August 09, 2012, 05:43:04 PM Apparently just a "technical bug." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99547.msg1088949#msg1088949
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: smoothie on August 09, 2012, 05:45:53 PM What this tells me is that one person has all those bitcoins in sells. Otherwise you would have seen a gradual removal from the sell order book creating a history of lines. This is pure market manipulation at its best lol GO BITCOIN! :D Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: TraderTimm on August 09, 2012, 05:53:41 PM This isn't new - usually 'bad ticks' are filtered out, but we got one broadcasted everywhere.
I'm using the Sierra Charts method of looking at prices, if you are too - you can right click on the chart, choose "Edit/Refresh Data" and you'll be presented with a dialog window that lets you scroll back through the prices using the left arrow at the bottom. My timezone is calibrated to EST, so the bad tick is at - 08-09-2012 08:36:41 (plus or minus depending on your system clock) You can either edit the values or delete the entry. Then select "Reload Charts" and everything will be back to normal. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: smoothie on August 09, 2012, 05:58:12 PM This was your face before you had a coffee cup? Why? Coffee on your lap? ;) Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: mp420 on August 09, 2012, 06:18:54 PM This is annoying. I had some asks in place but I didn't have them recorded elsewhere. Not big sums, just playing around, but still.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: ydenys on August 09, 2012, 09:30:23 PM This (along with corresponding DDos attacks on major pools) was just to get the price back below 11. No theories/conspiracies here. Market is too small, Gox is too big. [full stop]
There is no point to support capitalism in its current failed form, we should not allow new bright technology like Bitcoin to be so blatantly manipulated by pure greed. Please. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Piper67 on August 09, 2012, 09:33:59 PM This (along with corresponding DDos attacks on major pools) was just to get the price back below 11. No theories/conspiracies here. Market is too small, Gox is too big. [full stop] There is no point to support capitalism in its current failed form, we should not allow new bright technology like Bitcoin to be so blatantly manipulated by pure greed. Please. Yup, we should create MoralCoin... or Ethicoin... But, if you don't mind, I'll keep my BTC as well ;D Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: Saturn7 on August 09, 2012, 09:56:39 PM All I know is that for a breif second I was worth Trillions of dollars! ;D
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: ydenys on August 09, 2012, 09:58:41 PM This (along with corresponding DDos attacks on major pools) was just to get the price back below 11. No theories/conspiracies here. Market is too small, Gox is too big. [full stop] There is no point to support capitalism in its current failed form, we should not allow new bright technology like Bitcoin to be so blatantly manipulated by pure greed. Please. Yup, we should create MoralCoin... or Ethicoin... But, if you don't mind, I'll keep my BTC as well ;D Well, I guess you are just greedier than me then. Let me know if it does you some good :) Seriously - another ddos on all major pools and at the same time a mysterious ‘bug’ is found in Gox’s code, it also so happens when there is a rally with 60% more bids then asks on the board. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: zby on August 10, 2012, 07:02:19 AM Anyone knows what was rolled back? There was a trade at 13.88 - was it rolled back? Some charts still show it.
Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: rebuilder on August 10, 2012, 07:52:15 AM There is no point to support capitalism in its current failed form, we should not allow new bright technology like Bitcoin to be so blatantly manipulated by pure greed. Please. What do you propose? Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: mem on August 10, 2012, 08:29:12 AM This (along with corresponding DDos attacks on major pools) was just to get the price back below 11. No theories/conspiracies here. Market is too small, Gox is too big. [full stop] There is no point to support capitalism in its current failed form, we should not allow new bright technology like Bitcoin to be so blatantly manipulated by pure greed. Please. Yup, we should create MoralCoin... or Ethicoin... But, if you don't mind, I'll keep my BTC as well ;D Well, I guess you are just greedier than me then. Let me know if it does you some good :) Seriously - another ddos on all major pools and at the same time a mysterious ‘bug’ is found in Gox’s code, it also so happens when there is a rally with 60% more bids then asks on the board. Im going to say Its Pirate. Organizing the ddos by co-operation with botnet operators. Starts doing his trading tricks after ensuring the bulk of the bitcoin community cannot trade. This is the 3rd time we have seen this trick. Title: Re: Holy fuuck, look at that non-wall ! Post by: molecular on August 10, 2012, 01:13:50 PM I don't understand how ddosing pools would help. To achieve what exactly?
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