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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: zby on August 09, 2012, 10:32:47 PM



Title: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: zby on August 09, 2012, 10:32:47 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99222.0

Do you guys expect this could be something significant?  After TradeHill and Bitcoinica itself I felt a bit concerned and moved my assets out from Intersango.   I also think it can trigger a wave of profit realising.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: SaltySpitoon on August 09, 2012, 10:34:41 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: smoothie on August 09, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

The exchanges would be regulated at best...not bitcoin.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: BCB on August 09, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

I don't agree at all.  Once govn't starts ruling on bitcoin you'll see it move more in to the mainstream.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: adamstgBit on August 09, 2012, 10:40:33 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

in the end they will not go to court, it will be a settlement ...

if it dose go to court, the court will hear both sides and come up with a verdict, that is all, they aren't their to debate weather bitcoin is currency.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: ArticMine on August 09, 2012, 10:45:24 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

Recognition of Bitcoin as money by governments is only a matter of time. I suspect they will call it "virtual currency" as this is the term used by both FINTRAC in Canada and the FBI in the United States. 


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: zby on August 10, 2012, 11:00:54 PM
It is now in the press hits forum: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/10/3233711/second-bitcoin-lawsuit-is-filed-in-california


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: ElectricMucus on August 10, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
FYI Bitcoin has already been deemed a "currency overlay" by the European Union long before that, so it's already "recognized"


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on August 10, 2012, 11:17:14 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

I don't agree at all.  Once govn't starts ruling on bitcoin you'll see it move more in to the mainstream.

Bingo. Bitcoin being a part of the legal system as soon as possible will be -good- for bitcoin. When it is considered legal to use it, it will be harder to make it -illegal- as there is already precedence showing it being legal.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: cypherdoc on August 11, 2012, 12:51:59 AM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

I don't agree at all.  Once govn't starts ruling on bitcoin you'll see it move more in to the mainstream.

Bingo. Bitcoin being a part of the legal system as soon as possible will be -good- for bitcoin. When it is considered legal to use it, it will be harder to make it -illegal- as there is already precedence showing it being legal.

how about this?:

http://usahitman.com/realmoney-rp/

"Perhaps the biggest progress Paul made with Bernanke during the exchange came when the Fed Chairman classified gold and silver as alternative currencies. In the past, Bernanke has claimed that central banks only hold gold because of tradition. However, Bernanke’s stance on precious metals appeared more favorable in Wednesday’s exchange. When asked about competing and parallel currencies, Bernanke responded, “On alternative currencies, no one prevents you from holding silver or gold. If you want to its perfectly legal to do that. It’s also perfectly fine to hold euros, yen or whatever else.” Unfortunately, the dollar, euro and yen do not have thousands of years worth of history backing them."


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: adamstgBit on August 11, 2012, 03:22:21 AM


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: cypherdoc on August 11, 2012, 03:38:53 AM

LOL!  you're so cute!


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: niko on August 11, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

I don't agree at all.  Once govn't starts ruling on bitcoin you'll see it move more in to the mainstream.

I agree with BCB.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: BCB on August 11, 2012, 04:47:36 PM
FYI, I filed a complaint to get access to personal information relating to the ip's and phone numbers of scammer BTCmover with the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre which is a division of the Canadian Mountain Police.  The "message taker" wanted to know how I shipped the coins electronically? He had never taken a claim like this before.  When I told told him they were like facebook credits or game points he paused and bluntly stated that he didn't think there would be follow up on this case.

Evidently some governments don't even want to bother with bitcoin.....yet.


Title: Re: Cartmell v. Bitcoinica
Post by: molecular on August 11, 2012, 09:40:34 PM
I feel this will set a bad legal precedent if it goes through. Bitcoin so far has been able to avoid any regulation, because it is deemed "play money" If there is a court case that recognized Bitcoin as a currency, prepare for incoming regulation.

Recognition of Bitcoin as money by governments is only a matter of time. I suspect they will call it "virtual currency" as this is the term used by both FINTRAC in Canada and the FBI in the United States. 

lol, "virtual currency"... in contrast to "real money"?? they got it all backwards ;)