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Economy => Lending => Topic started by: mmxxc on March 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM



Title: help.
Post by: mmxxc on March 21, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
hello, necessary 1btc computer purchase, for 4 days, after 2 hours if you need to deposit 0.0161 plus my PayPal, facbook.com accounts an if u need more please say.


Title: Re: help.
Post by: marcotheminer on March 21, 2015, 12:01:29 PM
This is more or less asking for a donation. It won't happen.


Title: Re: help.
Post by: mmxxc on March 21, 2015, 12:09:11 PM
Sorry, it was not meant


Title: Re: help.
Post by: shorena on March 21, 2015, 06:15:09 PM
Sorry, it was not meant

Any collateral[1] worth ~1.2 BTC you can offer as security?

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.msg6311902#msg6311902


Title: Re: help.
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 22, 2015, 03:28:46 PM
What u need?

Anything that can be used as collateral. A collateral is a thing which can be sold easily/fastly.


Title: Re: help.
Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 22, 2015, 03:47:48 PM
What u need?

Anything that can be used as collateral. A collateral is a thing which can be sold easily/fastly.

+1. To help OP understand what is and what isn't a collateral I'm quoting here Vod's post in the [EDU] The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK! thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0).
Hope it helps him.

What is considered collateral?

Collateral is something that can easily be resold to cover the loan value plus interest should the loaner default on the loan.

- The best collateral is another crypto-currency, such as Litecoin (also written as LTC).  Coins must be moderately traded on multiple exchanges.
- Some digital wares such as domain names can be considered as long as the user cannot recover it.
- Small valuable items that can be shipped though the mail - i.e. gold, silver, iphones, etc.
- Large items, such as a motorcycle or guitar can be used if you live close to the person giving you the loan.  Try localbitcoins.com (http://localbitcoins.com)

What is not considered collateral?

- Items not in hand.  Don't trust a user that promises to give you something *when* they default!  Tracking numbers only show something has been mailed - it could be an empty box.
- Future income.  You can prove you'll make xx coins in the next few days, but nothing forces you to send those coins to pay your debt.
- Identification.  So what if they can prove who they are.  Are you going to spend more money and time taking them to court on untested legal grounds?  You'll probably just walk away, like everyone does.  ID is useless.
- Games codes or similar.  To verify the collateral you need to use the code, which destroys the collateral.  Consider this a purchase, not a loan.  (Post in Digital Goods (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=93.0) instead)
- Most new alt-coins or alt-coins that trade for satoshis are not good collateral as they can become worthless overnight.
- Paypal should never be used - they are anti-bitcoin and will rule against you 100% of the time.  Escrow can't even help, as paypal charge backs can come over 6 months later!
- Most valuable online accounts can easily be recovered by social engineering (the user contacting support to say they were hacked, and regain control of the account)
 
When should you use Escrow?

 - Never send collateral directly to a low activity/post account offering you a loan, as they are likely to take your coins and disappear. (Escrow Scam)
 - Use only "Hero Members" or "Legendary Members" for escrow - they have a vested interest in the community with the time they have spent here.
 - Do not use a third party escrow service unless hero members can vouch for it - it's too easy to create a website, do a few escrows then disappear with a big balance.  Rinse and repeat.
 
When considering the trustworthiness of a user, ignore "Posts" as there are schemes that pay a user per post.  A person can make 1,000 useless posts in one day and contribute nothing to the community.  Instead look at the "Activity" number - that gives you a more accurate tally of how involved the user is in the community.

Ignore the sob stories that users post - it's just a scam to get your coins.  If a person really is in such a situation, they can turn to family, friends or other social circles they frequent.  They are just posting in our community because the payment is anonymous and irreversible.
Lastest scam sob story: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=908707.0

Finally, do not encourage scammers to come here!  Giving out loans to newbies with no collateral, or loans to people with negative trust from "OldScammerTag" are likely to get you negative-trusted by other users, like me.   :)


Title: Re: help.
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 23, 2015, 02:40:01 AM
It's something like a coinbase, yes?


No. It is something like a coin(both physical and virtual), precious metals, premium accounts, premium equipments etc...


Title: Re: help.
Post by: Fiiasco on March 23, 2015, 06:44:31 AM
It's something like a coinbase, yes?


Coinbase? Collateral is altcoins, bitcointalk accounts(Not applicable in this case), digital goods, some physical goods etc.

Read the sticky in the lending section first before you take out a loan.


Title: Re: help.
Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 23, 2015, 06:49:14 AM
It's something like a coinbase, yes?


Coinbase? Collateral is altcoins, bitcointalk accounts(Not applicable in this case), digital goods, some physical goods etc.

Read the sticky in the lending section first before you take out a loan.

 ???
He can also read the 7th post in this thread - see above - since it include a quote of the sticky you're pointing to him.
However, I'm not sure if OP is not understanding what we are saying or something else.
 ::)


Title: Re: help.
Post by: Fiiasco on March 23, 2015, 06:53:26 AM
It's something like a coinbase, yes?


Coinbase? Collateral is altcoins, bitcointalk accounts(Not applicable in this case), digital goods, some physical goods etc.

Read the sticky in the lending section first before you take out a loan.

 ???
He can also read the 7th post in this thread - see above - since it include a quote of the sticky you're pointing to him.
However, I'm not sure if OP is not understanding what we are saying or something else.
 ::)


Yes. He's thinking collateral is something like his coinbase account lol.

If he has coins in his coinbase account no point taking out a loan ::)