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Title: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: liberty on May 27, 2011, 04:46:42 AM
Major News!

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UNITED NATIONS – The United Nations warned on Wednesday of a possible crisis of confidence in, and even a “collapse” of, the U.S. dollar if its value against other currencies continued to decline.

http://www.globalnews.ca/world/dollar+could+collapse/4839011/story.html#ixzz1NUSQMMJr (http://www.globalnews.ca/world/dollar+could+collapse/4839011/story.html#ixzz1NUSQMMJr)


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: kjj on May 27, 2011, 04:53:47 AM
Yawn.

These stories come out every couple of months, and have for years, and years, and years.

The dollar has some big problems, as does the US in general, but there is simply no viable alternative, and no prospects for an alternative.  Also, nearly every man, woman and child on the face of the planet has a vested interest in preventing a full blown collapse.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: FreeMoney on May 27, 2011, 05:05:26 AM
Wow, what a bold prediction. If the value keeps going down it will lose it's value? Holy revelation batman.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: kuba_10 on May 27, 2011, 05:09:13 AM
I bought some dollars as an investment about a month ago and from that time dollar has been going up steadily. I doubt that it will collapse in close future.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: jtimon on May 27, 2011, 09:25:28 AM
Some people say it will be a short period of deflation after QE2, due to credit contraction. Remember that most of the USD supply is created by commercial banks and not directly by the fed.
I guess it all depends in whether there will be QE3 or not.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: liberty on May 27, 2011, 09:19:01 PM
It will be a QE3, after it will continue to 4,5 ... n.

Nobody wants to deal with the boogie man -austerity measures, so they print and print and print...


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: FreeMoney on May 27, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
It will be a QE3, after it will continue to 4,5 ... n.

Nobody wants to deal with the boogie man -austerity measures, so they print and print and print...

I bet it won't. I bet they call it something else so they can shout over and over how they stopped QEing and you should hate the market for the prices rising etc.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: liberty on May 27, 2011, 09:35:36 PM


I bet it won't. I bet they call it something else so they can shout over and over how they stopped QEing and you should hate the market for the prices rising etc.
Whatever they call it, the end result is the same, the paper value goes to zero.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: proudhon on May 27, 2011, 10:14:05 PM


I bet it won't. I bet they call it something else so they can shout over and over how they stopped QEing and you should hate the market for the prices rising etc.
Whatever they call it, the end result is the same, the paper value goes to zero.

Will this make bitcoin value go to infinity?


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: liberty on May 27, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
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Will this make bitcoin value go to infinity?
;D I see your sarcasm there, but the correct  answer is that when paper value is zero, you value your BTC against other valuable goods, resources for example, or hours of work, etc.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: Dobrodav on May 27, 2011, 11:19:08 PM
Paper value is not zero. Paper can be used in any buisnes ...


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: cypherdoc on May 27, 2011, 11:34:41 PM
Yawn.

These stories come out every couple of months, and have for years, and years, and years.

The dollar has some big problems, as does the US in general, but there is simply no viable alternative, and no prospects for an alternative.  Also, nearly every man, woman and child on the face of the planet has a vested interest in preventing a full blown collapse.

ummm, what is bitcoin all about?


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: liberty on May 28, 2011, 12:36:37 AM
Paper value is not zero. Paper can be used in any buisnes ...
Try to use in any business some Zimbabwe dollars.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: SgtSpike on May 28, 2011, 12:53:09 AM
Wow, what a bold prediction. If the value keeps going down it will lose it's value? Holy revelation batman.
:D



I bet it won't. I bet they call it something else so they can shout over and over how they stopped QEing and you should hate the market for the prices rising etc.
Whatever they call it, the end result is the same, the paper value goes to zero.

Will this make bitcoin value go to infinity?
Value against USD, yep!


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: Basiley on May 28, 2011, 01:59:28 AM
we're heard such "news" 100 yrs ago.
but nothing happen :P


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: eturnerx on May 28, 2011, 05:08:29 AM
Paper value is not zero. Paper can be used in any buisnes ...
About the only business some fiat notes are worth using for is morning business when perched on the porcelain throne.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: byronbb on May 28, 2011, 07:14:05 AM
America owes China more than it can repay.
America has land.
China has lots of people.





Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: kjj on May 28, 2011, 03:18:54 PM
Yawn.

These stories come out every couple of months, and have for years, and years, and years.

The dollar has some big problems, as does the US in general, but there is simply no viable alternative, and no prospects for an alternative.  Also, nearly every man, woman and child on the face of the planet has a vested interest in preventing a full blown collapse.

ummm, what is bitcoin all about?

Maybe some day.  Not today, not soon.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: ISA on May 28, 2011, 03:48:42 PM
This time it could be real.
The US Dollar has a extremely high inflation rate.

Here are my arguments:

1) US Gasoline prices have skyrocket:
http://www.eia.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_chart.gif

2) US Food prices are going up and up and up:
http://inflationdata.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Global_Food_Prices_2011.jpg

3) Unemployment rate explodes:
http://www.hendon-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2011-01_US-UnemploymentRate-Chart-482w.jpg

4) The Fed (Ben Bernake) recently emphasized in the first press conference ever, that the inflation could be a big problem.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/richard-adams-blog/2011/apr/27/ben-bernanke-press-conference-live

5) The US is technically bankrupt:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-26/vtb-ceo-says-u-s-nearly-bankrupt-as-instability-lingers-1-.html

6) The money supply is out of control. The FED even does not longer try to measure the M3 since 2005. It's gone exponential:
http://www.theintelligence.de/images/stories/bilder/us_dollar_money_supply.gif


Conclusion:
The US Dollar will continue to inflate which means a deterioration in actual value (=You can buy less stuff).
This means alternative assets/currencies like Bitcoin and Gold will continue to increase in its value (=You can get more stuff for it).

If you fear the crash of the Dollar you probably should think about what "Change" means to you.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: SgtSpike on May 28, 2011, 05:58:46 PM
I'd welcome lots of inflation with open arms.  With your net worth is negative, it helps.  :)


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: ISA on May 28, 2011, 09:02:31 PM
I'd welcome lots of inflation with open arms.  With your net worth is negative, it helps.  :)
True :)


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: ISA on May 28, 2011, 10:35:17 PM
Debt reduction.
That's the reason the US can welcome an inflation as long as it doesn't get out of control.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: eturnerx on May 28, 2011, 11:49:06 PM
Since I'm not in the US and there is few people changing BTC into my native currency, I discount much of the MTGox USD rises by the relative increasing weakness of the USD.


Title: Re: U.S. dollar could 'collapse': UN
Post by: billyjoeallen on May 29, 2011, 12:19:54 AM

the economy is in trouble if interest rates rise.
the economy is in trouble if interest rates stay at the zero bound.
the economy is in trouble if the dollar strengthens.
the economy is in trouble if the dollar weakens.

http://www.safehaven.com/article/20703/bernankes-qex-box

if anything, the author understates the problem, but the point is sound. The economy is going to tank, but that could mean EITHER hyperinflation or a deflationary death spiral. The best hedge agains an unknown like that is not an alternative currency but an alternative economy.