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Title: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Dansker on August 19, 2012, 10:14:23 AM
How low does 1 BTC have to go before you start buying in again?


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: mem on August 19, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
me $8, the gf $10.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: VelvetLeaf on August 19, 2012, 10:18:18 AM
At least $5

Chart courtesy of Joric & ruski
https://i.imgur.com/oeEpU.jpg


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Junko on August 19, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
1.8  ;)


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 10:22:40 AM
RIGHT NOW. under $10 now


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: VelvetLeaf on August 19, 2012, 10:30:00 AM
1.8  ;)

Doesn't 1 BTC = $1 sounds lovely ?   ;)


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on August 19, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
1.8  ;)

Doesn't 1 BTC = $1 sounds lovely ?   ;)

That would be awesome.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 10:31:18 AM
1.8  ;)

Doesn't 1 BTC = $1 sounds lovely ?   ;)

$10/BTC is very very very very very close to the same amount of difficulty it takes to convert currency value/exchange in your head

why not peg BTC to USD?


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: drakahn on August 19, 2012, 10:34:36 AM
I'm buying again on monday when I can get some money into the exchanges... so...


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Timbo925 on August 19, 2012, 10:37:48 AM
9.60 now worked for me. :)

Monday may be a good day for the price. Lot of $$ entering the exchanges of ppl willing to buy.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: beekeeper on August 19, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
1.8  ;)

Doesn't 1 BTC = $1 sounds lovely ?   ;)
Wet dream.. :)


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: tiberiandusk on August 19, 2012, 10:40:40 AM
I remember buying Portal 2 for like 36 bitcoins and then it shot up to $30/btc. I was sad for a bit till I remember I still have Portal 2 to play.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: mobodick on August 19, 2012, 10:47:07 AM
$5 would be nice..


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
$5 would be nice..

BS. It gotta stop at some point. Everyone knows that money is getting into the exchanges on Monday. Why would I sell now when on Monday or Tuesday the rally resumes?

But then, dump more, fine. I just got all my coins back I sold at 12.50, on the way down and quite a few $$$ left. So push it lower. I'll buy more at 8.

Yummy.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: DublinBrian on August 19, 2012, 11:02:34 AM


They say you shouldnt try to catch a falling knife, but Im merely buying back what I sold at a higher price, so I will end up with more BTC than I started with.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 11:11:11 AM
I just bought at €8.30 and again at €7.90

They say you shouldnt try to catch a falling knife, but Im merely buying back what I sold at a higher price, so I will end up with more BTC than I started with.

yup lucky. i have no liquidity. no large trades from trusted people i could have relied on and mtgox wants photo ID? fuck

For me it's hold my coins. In this for the long haul. chugga woo woo


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: bitcon on August 19, 2012, 11:38:47 AM
sunday night before everyone else gets back in.............


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Kupsi on August 19, 2012, 11:56:44 AM
It will be fun to watch when everybody want in again  :D


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: waspoza on August 19, 2012, 11:58:25 AM
$6.5 is my price to buy.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Technomage on August 19, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
I'll buy whatever I can at $9 a coin.. the problem is that I'm not the only one. I think $10 will be broken early next week.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: tbcoin on August 19, 2012, 12:04:48 PM
I'm just waiting for my transfers, that I sent a week ago. I WANT BUY!!!


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Cluster2k on August 19, 2012, 12:09:16 PM
Some people say the current mass panic selling was sparked by Pirate liquidating his operation.  If so, he has a whole bunch of bitcoins to sell for which he obviously wants the best price.  The observation has also been made that he's allegedly liquidating on a weekend, when people can't get money into MtGox through their banks to buy up all the cheap bitcoins on offer.

So why does Pirate liquidate on a weekend if he would know banks are closed and there's less dollars around to soak up his sells?  It doesn't make sense from a financial point of view.  Anyone can transfer bitcoins 24/7 to sell, but the same cannot be said for dollars to buy.  It becomes a race between him and others to get all the dollars on offer.

Why liquidate at the worst possible time to sell?


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Technomage on August 19, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
Pirate isn't the one selling. The market is selling. Pirate is most likely the one buying, more and more as people panic.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
Ooops, bottomed out already? Come on guys, push it a little lower. I want more sweet coins  ;D


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: bitcon on August 19, 2012, 12:36:23 PM
always large arbitrage opportunities between mtgox and virwox.   as of writing this;


mtgox - 9.69
virwox - 10.31


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: beckspace on August 19, 2012, 04:00:20 PM
At Six point Crazy I'll be standing guard:

http://api.ning.com/files/7qdgsn2-YuKy1XDhONdLUDKVs3*41DIkK0DdX6ymXWfJvUg5xOHwFaVFmD0xrZq*SJsJ6b-cdFC*KooCvuo8IhhSrShlO7z6/HolyGrail014.jpg


At Five dot Buy a Lot:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13400000/None-shall-pass-puppies-13463435-500-375.jpg


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: runeks on August 19, 2012, 04:20:15 PM
Why don't you guys keep some money at Mt. Gox in the event of price drops like these? I always keep a couple of hundred dollars there, just in case the market goes bananas and bottoms out. I just picked some coins up at $9.53. That's more than a third cheaper than it was, like, four days ago.

Crazy times. I'm enjoying every moment of it.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 04:51:48 PM

Crazy times. I'm enjoying every moment of it.

Indeed. We all did ourselves a great disservice. This is not going to make the general public trust Bitcoin. And trust of the general public is what can drive the price into the 5-digit range. So for some puny "profits", which are bound to be the losses of someone else, we blow it.




Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: notme on August 19, 2012, 04:57:59 PM

Crazy times. I'm enjoying every moment of it.

Indeed. We all did ourselves a great disservice. This is not going to make the general public trust Bitcoin. And trust of the general public is what can drive the price into the 5-digit range. So for some puny "profits", which are bound to be the losses of someone else, we blow it.




Welcome to humanity.  We have two options: greed and fear.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Welcome to humanity.  We have two options: greed and fear.

+1


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: evolve on August 19, 2012, 05:07:32 PM
No particular price, just watching the charts trend and making my bets on market senttiment...that said, I cant see jumping back in until I am confidant that the crash is over.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 05:13:11 PM

Crazy times. I'm enjoying every moment of it.

Indeed. We all did ourselves a great disservice. This is not going to make the general public trust Bitcoin. And trust of the general public is what can drive the price into the 5-digit range. So for some puny "profits", which are bound to be the losses of someone else, we blow it.


Welcome to humanity.  We have two options: greed and fear.

Is is?

To me the best strategy seems to be to act as if I want to keep the prices stable: Buy low, sell high. But my newly gained coins of this weekend must come from someone who lost them.

But I lost, too. If more would try to keep the prices stable, we'd see a slow gain of maybe 200% each year. But for some, 200% a year is maybe not enough. Like those losers I won my Bitcoin from.





Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 05:15:23 PM

Crazy times. I'm enjoying every moment of it.

Indeed. We all did ourselves a great disservice. This is not going to make the general public trust Bitcoin. And trust of the general public is what can drive the price into the 5-digit range. So for some puny "profits", which are bound to be the losses of someone else, we blow it.
Sorry, going to disagree with you again.

Imho bitcoin isn't ready to go mainstream yet, the basic services are still being built up, the core is being tweaked and fleshed out and, with what we're seeing now, the user base is being pruned down to a solid core.

Indeed. I think we pruned quite a few merchants this weekend who considered accepting Bitcoin. Great job.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Thralen on August 19, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
Regarding Pirate selling as someone mentioned earlier in the thread. Here is my opinion:

Pirate started selling Friday afternoon, selling enough BTC to start a sharp drop. Knowing that people would panic sell, he started this panic sell so he can purchase enough bitcoins at a lower price in order to be able to disburse all the bitcoins he needs to send out. The panic sellers just played into his hand is all. He started it on a Friday, knowing that most people don't have funds immediately available on the weekend to make BTC purchases. I would bet that he had quite a large amount of funds positioned to do his buying over the weekend when he knew he could drive the price down and it would stay down for a few days due to the weekend limitations on people getting funds in and ready.

So, he announces he is closing out (right before the weekend), starting some nervousness. He dumps enough BTC at the higher price to start some panic selling (shortly before the weekend). He uses the funds he gained from selling at the higher price, plus any funds he had in there already to buy throughout the weekend at the lower price. Once Monday rolls around and price starts gaining again, he sits back and disburses the coins as mentioned in his closing announcement. Any BTC left over from his weekend buying spree are pure profit.

The worst part about it is that anyone could have realized what was going on when it started. They could have not panic sold (and screwed him). They could have joined in on his plan (making it pricier for him). But they played sheep and played right into his hands.

Note this is all just my opinion and reality may vary. I thought of this scenario as soon as I read about him closing and then saw a major drop starting on a Friday afternoon.

Thralen


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: Dalkore on August 19, 2012, 05:28:15 PM

Crazy times. I'm enjoying every moment of it.

Indeed. We all did ourselves a great disservice. This is not going to make the general public trust Bitcoin. And trust of the general public is what can drive the price into the 5-digit range. So for some puny "profits", which are bound to be the losses of someone else, we blow it.
Sorry, going to disagree with you again.

Imho bitcoin isn't ready to go mainstream yet, the basic services are still being built up, the core is being tweaked and fleshed out and, with what we're seeing now, the user base is being pruned down to a solid core.

We can all see what happened at the start of bitcoins life, when I first heard about bitcoin I saw that and walked away. Zoom out on the graph now and this is nothing more than a minor glitch, not enough to scare those away who will do some research and understand how it works and what happened here but enough to scare off those just looking for easy money that will run at the first sign of trouble.

Bitcoin is like anything new on the net, acceptance takes time, could be a year, could be 10. There is no point trying to rush things because we'll be rushing to nowhere and when it collapses under its own weight it will put folks off for good, there's competition coming. Better to build up slowly on solid foundations and beat them simply by being better.

+1  - I feel the same way.  I am currently working on projects to help build more plumbing for BTC.   I am watching the charts and will be making some purchases once I see what I am looking for.   That goodness for reading all those technical analysis books.

D


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: GeniuSxBoY on August 19, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Dannnng! I just canceled my $8.50 order when it blasted to $8.50  :o




I wish he'd just sell his entire stock and get it over with  :-\


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 05:36:12 PM
Dannnng! I just canceled my $8.50 order when it blasted to $8.50  :o




I wish he'd just sell his entire stock and get it over with  :-\

+-10% in price within seconds. No liquidity. At the moment, Bitcoin has the highest TX cost of all payment systems. WU is a bargain in comparison.

 :'(


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2012, 05:40:55 PM
Thisw is another case of spending other people's money. All the stolen Bitcoin lately has been waiting for a time to dump. I think we are near bottom.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: bitcon on August 19, 2012, 05:43:16 PM
glad i have $4k USD sitting by in the exchange and ready to go.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: dust on August 19, 2012, 05:46:01 PM
Order at 8.51 just got hit.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 05:47:16 PM

Bitcoin is like anything new on the net, acceptance takes time, could be a year, could be 10. There is no point trying to rush things because we'll be rushing to nowhere and when it collapses under its own weight it will put folks off for good, there's competition coming. Better to build up slowly on solid foundations and beat them simply by being better.

+1  - I feel the same way.  I am currently working on projects to help build more plumbing for BTC.   I am watching the charts and will be making some purchases once I see what I am looking for.   That goodness for reading all those technical analysis books.

D

You guys don't get it, do you? How are these ridiculous price swings helping? It's good to put people off because that helps build a solid foundation? This is the silliest thing I have ever heard. So if Bitcoin would swing even more wildly, it would be even better? If liquidity is even less than now, this is great?


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: bitcon on August 19, 2012, 05:49:31 PM

Bitcoin is like anything new on the net, acceptance takes time, could be a year, could be 10. There is no point trying to rush things because we'll be rushing to nowhere and when it collapses under its own weight it will put folks off for good, there's competition coming. Better to build up slowly on solid foundations and beat them simply by being better.

+1  - I feel the same way.  I am currently working on projects to help build more plumbing for BTC.   I am watching the charts and will be making some purchases once I see what I am looking for.   That goodness for reading all those technical analysis books.

D

You guys don't get it, do you? How are these ridiculous price swings helping? It's good to put people off because that helps build a solid foundation? This is the silliest thing I have ever heard. So if Bitcoin would swing even more wildly, it would be even better? If liquidity is even less than now, this is great?


especially if all it takes is for one guy to influence the whole market......


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2012, 06:03:56 PM

Bitcoin is like anything new on the net, acceptance takes time, could be a year, could be 10. There is no point trying to rush things because we'll be rushing to nowhere and when it collapses under its own weight it will put folks off for good, there's competition coming. Better to build up slowly on solid foundations and beat them simply by being better.

+1  - I feel the same way.  I am currently working on projects to help build more plumbing for BTC.   I am watching the charts and will be making some purchases once I see what I am looking for.   That goodness for reading all those technical analysis books.

D

You guys don't get it, do you? How are these ridiculous price swings helping? It's good to put people off because that helps build a solid foundation? This is the silliest thing I have ever heard. So if Bitcoin would swing even more wildly, it would be even better? If liquidity is even less than now, this is great?
These swings are caused by a few people with large caches dumping their accounts. We are paying for the stupidity of people trusting unsecured wallets. When folks stop giving away their money to scammers, Bitcoin price will go up and stabilize.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: drakahn on August 19, 2012, 06:08:33 PM

Bitcoin is like anything new on the net, acceptance takes time, could be a year, could be 10. There is no point trying to rush things because we'll be rushing to nowhere and when it collapses under its own weight it will put folks off for good, there's competition coming. Better to build up slowly on solid foundations and beat them simply by being better.

+1  - I feel the same way.  I am currently working on projects to help build more plumbing for BTC.   I am watching the charts and will be making some purchases once I see what I am looking for.   That goodness for reading all those technical analysis books.

D

You guys don't get it, do you? How are these ridiculous price swings helping? It's good to put people off because that helps build a solid foundation? This is the silliest thing I have ever heard. So if Bitcoin would swing even more wildly, it would be even better? If liquidity is even less than now, this is great?
These swings are caused by a few people with large caches dumping their accounts. We are paying for the stupidity of people trusting unsecured wallets. When folks stop giving away their money to scammers, Bitcoin price will go up and stabilize.
You've listed three unrelated and probably untrue things as if its meant to make sense... did you mean to do that?


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2012, 06:15:57 PM

Bitcoin is like anything new on the net, acceptance takes time, could be a year, could be 10. There is no point trying to rush things because we'll be rushing to nowhere and when it collapses under its own weight it will put folks off for good, there's competition coming. Better to build up slowly on solid foundations and beat them simply by being better.

+1  - I feel the same way.  I am currently working on projects to help build more plumbing for BTC.   I am watching the charts and will be making some purchases once I see what I am looking for.   That goodness for reading all those technical analysis books.

D

You guys don't get it, do you? How are these ridiculous price swings helping? It's good to put people off because that helps build a solid foundation? This is the silliest thing I have ever heard. So if Bitcoin would swing even more wildly, it would be even better? If liquidity is even less than now, this is great?
These swings are caused by a few people with large caches dumping their accounts. We are paying for the stupidity of people trusting unsecured wallets. When folks stop giving away their money to scammers, Bitcoin price will go up and stabilize.
You've listed three unrelated and probably untrue things as if its meant to make sense... did you mean to do that?
Unrelated? Sure they are complexly related, but not unrelated. There are many different types of scams and/or poorly designed business operations, and it's hard to tell the difference. I simply don't trust anyone with *my* Bitcoin except an exchange for a short time.


Title: Re: How low before you buy in?
Post by: anu on August 19, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
OK, sellers I have started to set orders - from the difference I made on the way down. Only a couple 1000 $$$, for now, but I'll make bigger and bigger orders on the way down if you insist giving me your coins cheaper and cheaper.

And just for your motivation: These orders are from the profit I made on the way down so far.