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Title: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: no-ice-please on April 27, 2015, 10:41:58 PM
In Oct 2013 a young woman with a child bumped a concrete divider near a D.C. attraction.
The police got excited.
She panicked and tried to flee.
The police filled her car with bullets.
When they finally stopped shooting she had several bullet holes in her back.
The baby that was in the car with her was not hit.

The mainstream media started by headlining "Police Rescue Baby".
When that became too absurd even for Americans they switched to " Possible Suicide Bomber Killed In D.C."

The young lady had lived in Bed Stuy and Baltimore, both places you don't stop for strangers with guns and badges don't really tell you if a person is friendly.

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Then today Baltimore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10354477/Woman-shot-dead-after-trying-to-ram-security-barrier-at-White-House.html

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Any connection or coincidence?


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 27, 2015, 11:54:56 PM
Today and last night is the result of the police mishandling someone they arrested, not getting them immediate medical help, then the due dying. Predictably, many people around the area w/ the same skin color act as though they knew the guy and start doing their usual protesting that inevitably gets taken over by the small and feeble minded, in this case the ghettoheads. The police screwed up but this kind of 'protesting' needs to be rooted out by the respectable members of the neighborhood.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on April 27, 2015, 11:56:52 PM
"Gun control" is working in Baltimore, keeping all law-abiding, sober, mentally-sound victims defenseless so rioters are safe.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 12:06:51 AM
On April 26, Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake and 25 local clergy called for peace.

Rawlings-Blake held a press conference in which she admitted to asking the police to give people a space to "destroy," noted Fusion.net (video below).

Rawlings-Blake stated:

"And I've made it very clear that I worked with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech. It's a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars, and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wish to destroy, space to do that as well. And we work very hard to keep that balance, and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate and that's what you saw."

More...http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/baltimore-mayor-we-gave-those-who-wished-destroy-space-do-video (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/baltimore-mayor-we-gave-those-who-wished-destroy-space-do-video)

Clearly the mayor is a sympathizer to those in the streets and has kept the police in check. If you're watching news footage of the events unfolding you'll see the police lined up blocks away in front of the peaceful protest that is taking place at the junction where the CVS building was looted and burned earlier and the miscreant hoodlums are down the street looting other building and causing mayhem knowing the police are occupied a half mile away. just sayin. Democratic, urban areas are so pleasant do business and be happy in. >:(


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 12:24:37 AM
Gov. declares state of emergency; activates National Guard

BALTIMORE —Gov. Larry Hogan signed an executive order Monday declaring a state of emergency and activating the National Guard.

Police officers were injured, stores were looted and fires were set Monday evening as vandals ran through Baltimore.

City police say as many as seven officers have been injured Monday afternoon in northwest Baltimore, where a large group of juveniles converged and began to throw bricks and other items at officers. The officers were injured with broken bones and cuts, and one was unresponsive.

The CVS store at North and Pennsylvania avenues was set on fire around 6:15 p.m. Police have asked motorists to avoid the area of North Avenue between Monroe Street and Druid Hill Avenue.
...

More...http://www.wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778 (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 28, 2015, 01:18:15 AM
Im really close to Baltimore, so watching the local news. Watching the massive fires and apparently reports of groups of masked gunman outside Johns Hopkins. Taking everything with a grain of salt of course, but you can't alter the footage of people looting, beating others, and the quarter square mile fires ( apparently it's a bunch of Apartment complexes)

Baltimore has been a repressed tinderbox shithole since mayor Rawlings Blake took over. Before she was the mayor Baltimore was named the murder capitol of the world. She cleaned up the streets substantially but that involved a major increase in the police force and a blind eye to some really shady stuff (apparently Baltimore has the 2nd largest police force in the states). I've never had a problem with Baltimore police, as they are always too busy busting people for crack dealing to bother with petty crimes, but apparently their methods are controversial at best.

That said, not everyone in Baltimore is bad, not all of the cops are either, it's a reallllll tough job. But this is about 6 years overdue.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
RT Reporter Robbed by Youths On-Air While Covering Baltimore Protests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2Ibw7wrvs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2Ibw7wrvs)

Short clip of Baltimore's youth robbing a Russia Today reporter, can't believe the reporter was attempting to run after these animals. Sooka means bitch, btw.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 02:15:25 AM
Reporters are also being attacked by the cops

A photographer for Reuters was detained and another for the Baltimore City Paper was thrown to the ground by Baltimore Police officers while covering protests over police brutality late Saturday, they said.

J.M. Giordano, the photo editor at City Paper, said he was hit in the head with multiple police shields had his "face pretty much smushed down on the ground," and sustained multiple bruises after several officers rushed at him as he shot pictures.

"They just took me down," he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-protest-journalists-20150426-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-protest-journalists-20150426-story.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: EternalWingsofGod on April 28, 2015, 02:18:11 AM
At least when its compared with Fergusson the other US riot they aren't over armed
Still a messy situation though with the curfews added and a 5 day monitoring it will be interesting to see how this turns out.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 02:45:40 AM
At least when its compared with Fergusson the other US riot they aren't over armed
Still a messy situation though with the curfews added and a 5 day monitoring it will be interesting to see how this turns out.
True and I don't remember how many cops were hurt during Ferguson but there's 7 of them that are injured now, including one that is unconscious. Who knows what tonight's tally will be on either side. Keep in mind, one side got free/looted booze via the CVS and are likely having a night on the town while the other is on overtime trying to keep the peace.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 28, 2015, 03:07:54 AM
15 officers injured at the moment, two hospitalized.

The rioters actually hurt the cause. People are pretty rightfully siding with the police today. The meaning of the protests are now watered down by forced association with a group of criminals. Robbing two liquor stores, a mall, a cell phone store, a CVS, and the small shops on Main Streets doesn't further people's disgust with police brutality. The rioters just gave the police a good press day, and justification of their presence.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 03:43:06 AM
15 officers injured at the moment, two hospitalized.

The rioters actually hurt the cause. People are pretty rightfully siding with the police today. The meaning of the protests are now watered down by forced association with a group of criminals. Robbing two liquor stores, a mall, a cell phone store, a CVS, and the small shops on Main Streets doesn't further people's disgust with police brutality. The rioters just gave the police a good press day, and justification of their presence.
If true, white people across the country that already had their misgivings are reinforced in their thoughts. Not trying to skew the tables in this direction but that's what happens when older white folks see what they're seeing. When the jive gets violent and spread across the news, then the cop-loving comes into play. In my mind, the cops F'd up first which led to the deviants being the face of this protester movement.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 28, 2015, 04:20:08 AM
Agreed. The police have had this coming, plain and simple. If they give out violence, they deserve violence back, had it just been people throwing rocks in the street, I might not have the same opinion that this specific riot has very little to do with fighting back against police brutality. The stores that were burnt and robbed were not owned by the police, Baltimore isn't the most white collar area, the people that worked at those stores are seriously hurting right now. The riots gave the police and media honest propaganda to discredit the actual movement.

Interesting note, In very recent history, not sure how things have changed in recent years, but Baltimore public schools had a 66% graduation rate, meaning 1 in 3 students didn't finish high school. I'm not trying to disparage or get into the whole coorelation between education, employment, and crime rates. But my point is that the people who are out of their retail jobs aren't necessarily kids. When you start burning and looting completely unrelated businesses, you threaten people's livelihoods. It's hard to justify that your cause (ending police brutality/discrimination) is right when you are hurting unrelated parties.

On an interesting unrelated note, the local news station's reporter's just said something that caught my attention. "For a city with a lot of guns on the street, it's surprising that there was no gun activity"

They are now showing an elderly women complaining about the mess in the street, and sweeping it out of the streets, because she is having enough car troubles and can't drive over that on her way to work. Definitely trying to get the audience to empathize, but again it is honest biassed reporting.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 28, 2015, 04:29:51 AM
Angry mobs, flash-mobs, what's next, starving deadly mobs?
Help, help I am trapped in America!   :o


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 28, 2015, 04:30:32 AM
Agreed. The police have had this coming, plain and simple. If they give out violence, they deserve violence back, had it just been people throwing rocks in the street, I might not have the same opinion that this specific riot has very little to do with fighting back against police brutality. The stores that were burnt and robbed were not owned by the police, Baltimore isn't the most white collar area, the people that worked at those stores are seriously hurting right now. The riots gave the police and media honest propaganda to discredit the actual movement.

Interesting note, In very recent history, not sure how things have changed in recent years, but Baltimore public schools had a 66% graduation rate, meaning 1 in 3 students didn't finish high school. I'm not trying to disparage or get into the whole coorelation between education, employment, and crime rates. But my point is that the people who are out of their retail jobs aren't necessarily kids. When you start burning and looting completely unrelated businesses, you threaten people's livelihoods. It's hard to justify that your cause (ending police brutality/discrimination) is right when you are hurting unrelated parties.

On an interesting unrelated note, the local news station's reporter's just said something that caught my attention. "For a city with a lot of guns on the street, it's surprising that there was no gun activity"

They are now showing an elderly women complaining about the mess in the street, and sweeping it out of the streets, because she is having enough car troubles and can't drive over that on her way to work. Definitely trying to get the audience to empathize, but again it is honest biassed reporting.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: EternalWingsofGod on April 28, 2015, 04:31:09 AM
RT Reporter Robbed by Youths On-Air While Covering Baltimore Protests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2Ibw7wrvs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2Ibw7wrvs)

Short clip of Baltimore's youth robbing a Russia Today reporter, can't believe the reporter was attempting to run after these animals. Sooka means bitch, btw.

Didn't see this clip last time
I guess the lesson is that RT reporters will chase you down till you get arrested.
That said it sounded like the reporter was crying pretty hard there, it did make the police not look as bad though keeping order in the chaos.
News Link:
http://rt.com/usa/253253-rt-robbed-baltimore-gray/


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 28, 2015, 04:34:48 AM
Gov. declares state of emergency; activates National Guard

BALTIMORE —Gov. Larry Hogan signed an executive order Monday declaring a state of emergency and activating the National Guard.

Police officers were injured, stores were looted and fires were set Monday evening as vandals ran through Baltimore.

City police say as many as seven officers have been injured Monday afternoon in northwest Baltimore, where a large group of juveniles converged and began to throw bricks and other items at officers. The officers were injured with broken bones and cuts, and one was unresponsive.

The CVS store at North and Pennsylvania avenues was set on fire around 6:15 p.m. Police have asked motorists to avoid the area of North Avenue between Monroe Street and Druid Hill Avenue.
...

More...http://www.wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778 (http://www.wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778)

This is pretty mild compared to what could happen. Most Americans are still very fortunate, how will things look if the food stamp program runs out of funding?


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on April 28, 2015, 05:03:02 AM
On an interesting unrelated note, the local news station's reporter's just said something that caught my attention. "For a city with a lot of guns on the street, it's surprising that there was no gun activity"

Not at all surprising. Looting and arson are most efficient and safe with both hands free. Since law-abiding, sober, mentally-sound victims are rendered legally defenseless, they cannot defend against felonious acts, hence, no gun activity.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: saddampbuh on April 28, 2015, 07:55:19 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Nc3z5Zg.jpg


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: NUFCrichard on April 28, 2015, 08:38:58 AM
15 officers injured at the moment, two hospitalized.

The rioters actually hurt the cause. People are pretty rightfully siding with the police today. The meaning of the protests are now watered down by forced association with a group of criminals. Robbing two liquor stores, a mall, a cell phone store, a CVS, and the small shops on Main Streets doesn't further people's disgust with police brutality. The rioters just gave the police a good press day, and justification of their presence.

That's sort of clever propagandaish stuff.

They are not rioting to become part of your 'cause'.
I do kind of see their point, though I obviously don't agree with what the rioters are doing.
Every week there is a new story about the police shooting and killing black people who are unarmed and/or running away.  If the police kept of killing people who looked like me, I would be pretty scared too!

This has been going on for too long and they have reached the tipping point where something needs to be done.  It's hard as they can't disarm the police in America, as they'd be sitting ducks then, but they have to show some restraint!


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on April 28, 2015, 10:27:31 AM
This was started by opportunistic teens that wanted to play out a real-life "Purge" after school, thanks Hollywood, it had nothing to do with the protests that were going on relating to the death of a man in police custody. But a majority of these kids are all going to eventually be found, there are city cameras, cell phones, store surveillance, and more all over Baltimore City and it may take some time but they are going to try,  and will likely be pretty successful at rooting them out.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on April 28, 2015, 06:34:18 PM
...But a majority of these kids are all going to eventually be found, there are city cameras, cell phones, store surveillance, and more all over Baltimore City and it may take some time but ...


So the solution is to continue putting everyone who is not a cop or not wealthy in jail?

It doesn't work.


The solution is to put criminals in jail. If you don't want to go to jail, don't commit a crime. It's not hard to understand, America is a nation of laws. There are processes you go through when laws are not being handled correctly, and that's what the peaceful protestors were doing, and being successful at it. Everything happening in Baltimore just gives police the authority to do whatever they want.

You can have VIDEO of a killing.  VIDEO And still people will see what they are told to see.

Look at the video of the shooting mentioned in the op. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10354477/Woman-shot-dead-after-trying-to-ram-security-barrier-at-White-House.html

There are loads of videos. I was watching as it developed and followed the contortions of Wolf Blitzer for hours as he tried to get people to see things in the video that were not there. If I lived in Baltimore and knew that lady I would not let Wolf's smoke cloud anything.

There are so many videos of cops doing horrendous things and they almost never are held to any accountability.

Let me pick an example at random that I have not followed and do not know how it turned out. A few years ago, or maybe less, a cop shot an old lady, I think she was in her 90s. She had been arguing over car keys with someone who thought she was too old to drive. When the cop came he got pushy and granny took out a derringer. Believe it or not it is not that rare for women in some parts of the U.S. to have a derringer or .25 automatic or other tiny gun in their purse. They do not shoot them. They flash them around. You have to be a real criminal to get shot by a granny with a derringer.

Anyway this cop blasted the old granny. It was the second person he had killed on the job.

Was he held accountable?

I don't know. In a few hours I'll check and post the latest link on that case.

Picking out a few cases doesn't justify "fuck the police" and "lets kill all the cops". Keep in mind, the lady shouldn't have broken the law and decided to crash into the a white house barrier and then flee from police, not to mention hitting police with her car and nearly running them over. At that point, she is a criminal and was trying to flee... did they need to shoot her, probably not, but if I decided to drive my car and crash it into any part of the whitehouse, and then try to run away from secret service & police, I'd be ready to receive at LEAST an ass-wooping, and if I jeopardize the health of any of those officers, I would expect to get shot at.
https://youtu.be/QR465HoCWFQ

As for the grandmother, the cop was dismissed... but again, the cop was put in a life-threatening situation, according to him, there is no motive for a cop to just shoot a 90 year old woman unless she is armed, and she apparently was, and not cooperative. None of us know how we would react in any of these situations.

If you think you can do better, join the police and be a "good" cop....

Yes, there are some pretty fucked up cops out there, and they need to be dealt with, but this type of violence counteracts that goal.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on April 28, 2015, 06:55:27 PM
Lock all the cops and all those who have beef with the cops (at a 1:1 ratio, those who have beef with the cops would need to elect representatives or enter a lottery) in a sports arena. Either work out their issues with words or beat each other to death. No more fucking riots destroying innocent third-parties' lives and livelihoods.

Note that I did not mention race here.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 28, 2015, 07:05:57 PM
I'm not sure why it is always a black vs white issue, but the Baltimore cops are bastards in general sometimes. It isn't just black people who are effected by Police brutality in Baltimore, its everyone. When I was a kid, I used to babysit for a Baltimore cop. He would come home a couple hours late, "Yeah sorry I'm late, there were these gang members that were cutting the tattoos off of some ex gang member, and then there was a shootout, shot a couple people, meh same thing happened yesterday" (that example about 25% exaggerated for makign a point)

My point being, I support what the police do on a case by case basis. There are a lot of police officers so you can't judge them all together. Some get an itchy trigger finger and abuse their power, some get beaten half to death before shooting someone. Those guys have a really tough job. They definitely learn some prejudices based on their experiences there, and I'm not excusing that, but thats what happens. I'd like to see better accountability for the individual officers who break the law. Its not fair to condemn them all.

Who in the hell attacks firemen though? The riots were a disgrace.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Southpaw0 on April 28, 2015, 07:47:48 PM
RT Reporter Robbed by Youths On-Air While Covering Baltimore Protests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2Ibw7wrvs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2Ibw7wrvs)

Short clip of Baltimore's youth robbing a Russia Today reporter, can't believe the reporter was attempting to run after these animals. Sooka means bitch, btw.

what did they exactly steal from them, not the camera obviously.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: EternalWingsofGod on April 29, 2015, 02:14:47 AM
No compassion for human life, in short that is what people say it can't be ignored any longer
Race issues (At least they were able to clean the city)
It is interesting how they are going to play a baseball game with no attendance
http://www.wsj.com/articles/baltimore-residents-at-a-loss-after-riots-close-some-cvs-stores-1430265766
(It sounds like the zone is a dangerous area like some inner-city American neighbourhoods)
Hope they are ok


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 29, 2015, 03:10:52 AM
As Baltimore's curfew arrives, some protesters defiant but crowd clearing

Defiant protesters threw bottles and police launched pepper spray on Baltimore's west side as authorities tried to clear the crowd in this riot-racked city after the 10 p.m. curfew passed.

As a large crowd of media watched late Tuesday, angry demonstrators started small fires and knocked over some trash cans before they fled from the street near a burned-down CVS that has become the focus of this week’s protests and violence.

Baltimore police said on Twitter that "a group of criminals" had started a fire outside a library near the CVS.

Some demonstrators had left on their own as the curfew approached.

Overhead, a helicopter hovered, broadcasting an order on its loudspeaker: "You must go home. You will be subject to arrest."

Police moved slowly, trying to push the protesters back without making direct contact.

Tony Sellers, 40, stayed at the CVS, saying he lived two blocks away.  "We can't go out of our own homes? Why? We ain't doing nothing wrong," he said.

Elsewhere, on the city's south side, the police department tweeted about 15 minutes before curfew that at least one officer had been hurt in a rock-throwing incident.

More...http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-baltimore-riots-tuesday-20150428-story.html#page=1 (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-baltimore-riots-tuesday-20150428-story.html#page=1)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 29, 2015, 03:12:15 AM
Smashed, looted and burned by the mob: Inside the destruction of Baltimore as shopkeepers tell how they fled burning shops and one says he called police 50 times - and nobody came

The full extent of the damage done by the violence and rioting in Baltimore is graphically revealed today.
Dozens of shops, businesses and gas stations were burned and ransacked across the city as the streets were turned into a 'war zone'.
Shopkeepers told Daily Mail Online that they fled in terror as looters rampaged in as they were still inside - and stole everything.
A family of four had to flee their apartment above the liquor store they owned when it was set ablaze underneath them.
And a gas station owner said that he had lost $53,000 after his store was ransacked. An empty ATM was smashed open during the frenzy.
Rajneesh Nagpal, 39, was furious that he had called the police 50 times but nobody came to help him.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059382/Smashed-looted-burned-mob-inside-destruction-Baltimore-shopkeepers-tell-fled-burning-shops-one-says-called-police-50-times-came.html#ixzz3YfFMzWjL  (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059382/Smashed-looted-burned-mob-inside-destruction-Baltimore-shopkeepers-tell-fled-burning-shops-one-says-called-police-50-times-came.html#ixzz3YfFMzWjL)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on April 29, 2015, 03:31:42 AM
Baltimore: Arm yourself because nobody else here will save you.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 29, 2015, 04:00:50 AM
Baltimore: Arm yourself because nobody else here will save you.

Good luck, Maryland has one of the most if not the most strict gun control regulations in the US. Other little secret anti gun legislation makes it not safe to own guns. For example, I own a large gun safe, probably near a half ton in weight. If someone breaks into my house, spends a week cracking my safe, steals a weapon, and shoots someone with it, I'm liable and can be charged as an accessory.



Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 29, 2015, 04:13:35 AM
Smashed, looted and burned by the mob: Inside the destruction of Baltimore as shopkeepers tell how they fled burning shops and one says he called police 50 times - and nobody came

The full extent of the damage done by the violence and rioting in Baltimore is graphically revealed today.
Dozens of shops, businesses and gas stations were burned and ransacked across the city as the streets were turned into a 'war zone'.
Shopkeepers told Daily Mail Online that they fled in terror as looters rampaged in as they were still inside - and stole everything.
A family of four had to flee their apartment above the liquor store they owned when it was set ablaze underneath them.
And a gas station owner said that he had lost $53,000 after his store was ransacked. An empty ATM was smashed open during the frenzy.
Rajneesh Nagpal, 39, was furious that he had called the police 50 times but nobody came to help him.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059382/Smashed-looted-burned-mob-inside-destruction-Baltimore-shopkeepers-tell-fled-burning-shops-one-says-called-police-50-times-came.html#ixzz3YfFMzWjL  (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3059382/Smashed-looted-burned-mob-inside-destruction-Baltimore-shopkeepers-tell-fled-burning-shops-one-says-called-police-50-times-came.html#ixzz3YfFMzWjL)


I mentioned earlier, most Americans are lucky that things are not much worse. These "graphically revealed" details are hopefully not what we will see much more of in the future. When the mobs set their sights on the wealthy suburbs the "over-militarized police" will be very busy.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on April 29, 2015, 04:53:58 AM
Baltimore: Arm yourself because nobody else here will save you.

Good luck, Maryland has one of the most if not the most strict gun control regulations in the US. Other little secret anti gun legislation makes it not safe to own guns. For example, I own a large gun safe, probably near a half ton in weight. If someone breaks into my house, spends a week cracking my safe, steals a weapon, and shoots someone with it, I'm liable and can be charged as an accessory.

Yes, it's well known that Maryland.gov is this close to summarily executing all law-abiding gun owners who won't pay bribes. Sounds like you might as well rig the safe to electrocute everyone but you. If you're going to be unjustly charged with murder, at least make it an act of self-defense/defense of others, against an actual criminal.

Have you donated to any civil rights lawsuit funds?


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Vod on April 29, 2015, 05:43:46 AM
Like your president said (I am paraphrasing),

These are not people standing up for values or ideals.  These are not people looking for change.

These are thieves, bullies and looters.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 29, 2015, 07:01:34 AM
Yes, it's well known that Maryland.gov is this close to summarily executing all law-abiding gun owners who won't pay bribes. Sounds like you might as well rig the safe to electrocute everyone but you. If you're going to be unjustly charged with murder, at least make it an act of self-defense/defense of others, against an actual criminal.

Have you donated to any civil rights lawsuit funds?

I don't play the politics games, because every politician on all sides is going to screw you over in one way or another, so I'm very careful when I blame any political faction for things, as I'm aware that if the alternative was in power, something else would be messed up. Martin O'Malley has spearheaded some insane gun control measure in the 10ish years he was governor. Hopefully with a new governor some things will change. For the record I'm pretty pro 2nd ammendment, but thats because I come from a long line of responsible gun owners, have had a hunting license since I was 9, taken safety courses and such, and don't buy into all of the fear. I haven't donated to any civil rights lawsuit funds, because thus far they have been a waste. The supreme court has already validated half of what Maryland has done.

On topic though, I don't think we need to get rid of the police, I don't think we need to hit them with rocks or anything like that. Just a more fair accountabililty for their actions would be nice. You don't need to punish the entire police force, just make it so the individuals who abuse their power can be held liable for their actions "IF" they are deemed excessive. I'm wholly aware that corruption and shady stuff happens, but I'm also aware that people hit the police with rocks and then cry abuse when they get pepper sprayed. I'm no stranger to people trying to bait me and then cry abuse, so I recognize it rather quickly when its happening. I know the body cams thing is sort of a hot issue, I support giving them a shot anyway. Either they will legitimately help, or they will create a new genre in cinematography, as the police take extra special care to stage crime dramas so they can continue to get away with their shady shit.

All of that said, overall I respect the hell out of the Baltimore police. (Read above, no I'm not a statist, I'm for punishing individuals, not condemning entire organizations) anyone who says that they are over militarized, or over play the danger of their work environment, I invite to come spend a day (or night) in Baltimore. Take troops from war zones and put them into Baltimore, and I'd guarentee they would see some new things.

Like your president said (I am paraphrasing),

These are not people standing up for values or ideals.  These are not people looking for change.

These are thieves, bullies and looters.

Agreed, people who are looking for justice in the face of a sometimes crooked police department don't loot liquor stores, malls, shoe stores, and attack firemen. What is being overlooked in the face of all of this, is that there has been a week of peaceful protests. Not just people burning down half of the pharmacies in the city.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: freakying99 on April 29, 2015, 07:06:38 AM
Because people are animals.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: cryptocoiner on April 29, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
In Oct 2013 a young woman with a child bumped a concrete divider near a D.C. attraction.
The police got excited.
She panicked and tried to flee.
The police filled her car with bullets.
When they finally stopped shooting she had several bullet holes in her back.
The baby that was in the car with her was not hit.

The mainstream media started by headlining "Police Rescue Baby".
When that became too absurd even for Americans they switched to " Possible Suicide Bomber Killed In D.C."

The young lady had lived in Bed Stuy and Baltimore, both places you don't stop for strangers with guns and badges don't really tell you if a person is friendly.

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Then today Baltimore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10354477/Woman-shot-dead-after-trying-to-ram-security-barrier-at-White-House.html

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Any connection or coincidence?

Where is the news?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Possible+Suicide+Bomber+Killed+In+D.C.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=%22Possible+Suicide+Bomber+Killed+In+D.C.%22

I don't see anything. But even if it's true. American police is still one of the best in the world. Take in mind there a 200 million guns in america. They should be very careful.



Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on April 29, 2015, 10:55:38 AM
The problem with jail is that as a general rule you do not go there when you commit a crime if you have a badge or bucks. There are exceptions when a case gets a lot of publicity and a judge is forced to put a cop or tycoon in jail, but the rule in most countries including America is no jail for cops no matter what they do as long as it can be kept out of the media.

I do not support jail generally since it is a moron solution. You are spending upwards of $30,000 a year to teach a person that the way to teach is to overpower someone and take away their freedom.

But if you support jail then it has to be the same rules for cops.

At this point there are two options, a fork, and both can be summarized 'fair game'.

This is an unintelligent statement, and at this point your just a troll or one of the geniuses actually wanting to participate in the crap that happened in Baltimore.... the guy in question here, Freddie Gray, had been arrested well over 5 times in the past 6 months alone. Was he in Jail??  No.   Does he have bucks or a badge??   No.  
Get that shit out of my face about 'badges and bucks', plenty of criminals are not in jail and plenty of them have been in police custody numerous times. Again, this doesn't mean he should have been handled the way he was handled... there is definitely a deeper issue with he police but I do not believe its based on racism. Cops are human beings that have weapons, power, a right to kill (in certain circumstances), and a fear of losing their life. This is a dangerous recipe for any human being.

It happens every day hundreds of times that people bump into concrete dividers. In some areas you learn not to stick around for minor traffic things like that. The lady had a baby in the car and was educated in some places that are worse neighborhoods than you or I are used to. She had not committed any real crime and thought she had the ability to get away. She miscalaculated. Did she make the right choice? If she had gotten away it would have been the right choice.

There was absolutely no justification for shooting her several times in the back.
No justification for the police to ptetend they had done something heroic when in fact they acted like cowards.
No justification for compounding the offense by trying to portray her as a possible suicide bomber when they knew very well that was not the case.

The case of the woman in her 90s killed by a powermad cop likewise.
Anybody, including most cops, knows that when an old lady pulls out a gun it is not to shoot. He could have told her "Put the gun away or you'll get a $20 fine" and the gun would have gone away.
Are you serious?  I hope you never become a cop in Baltimore or you will not last very long. I'm sure he told her to put the gun down, she didn't respond, it takes a split second to pull a trigger. If anything, he should have retreated and asked for backup, but I don't know the situation he was in. Grandmother or not, he doesn't know her mental status... she could be suffering from dementia and think he's a burglar, you don't know.

The problem, the real problem, is the people who need to defend cops no matter what they do.

There are very few honest cops who would take even the slightest step to defend or explain awasy either of the shootings above.

But people like you step in and do it.

Why?
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As to the violence and how it 'counteracts that goal' or is counterproductive or whatever... I scratch my head at academics like you.

"Not rioting" does not work, okay? It is ineffective as far as most people are concerned. But you would like them to try it. How long should they try it?
I hugely dislike the cops and I am not an "academic", but cops are UNFORTUNATELY needed by our society because of people like YOU that think "not rioting does not work", and in that respect, I honor them. Destroying other peoples hard earned property, cash, etc, in my mind, is not the way to accomplish anything. Without police, those rioters would have just been killed by the people protecting their property (maybe you are ok with this type of justice? or maybe you think poverty wouldn't happen without police and there would be no rioters??).... Law abiding citizens of Baltimore had to watch their buildings being destroyed while the cops sat by and watched.... so no, I don't enjoy police. I am against them or I support them on a case by case basis.


EDIT:  She has some good points, she may be closest to the truth with regards to Baltimore:
https://www.facebook.com/blaine.cooper23/videos/810221895740651/


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Wilikon on April 29, 2015, 06:51:11 PM



Source: Baltimore mayor ordered police to stand down







Despite a firm denial by Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, a senior law enforcement source charges that she gave an order for police to stand down as riots broke out Monday night, raising more questions about whether some of the violence and looting could have been prevented.

The source, who is involved in the enforcement efforts, confirmed to Fox News there was a direct order from the mayor to her police chief Monday night, effectively tying the hands of officers as they were pelted with rocks and bottles.

Asked directly if the mayor was the one who gave that order, the source said: "You are God damn right it was."

The claim follows criticism of the mayor for, over the weekend, saying they were giving space to those who "wished to destroy."

By Tuesday night, despite the chaos a day earlier, Baltimore police along with the National Guard and other law enforcement contingents seemed to be restoring order in the city, which was under a curfew overnight.

Rawlings-Blake has defended her handling of the unrest, which grew out of protests over the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody.

The mayor, in an interview with Fox News' Bill Hemmer on Tuesday, denied any order was issued to hold back on Monday.

"You have to understand, it is not holding back. It is responding appropriately," she said, saying there was no stand-down directive.

She said her critics have a right to their opinion.

Meanwhile, U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch, just days into the job, addressed the unrest on Wednesday. She offered her "deepest condolences" to the Gray family, but said the "senseless acts of violence" are a "grave danger to the community" and "counterproductive." She reiterated that the FBI and DOJ civil rights unit are investigating, and ready to offer assistance.

She said she's been in direct contact with Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan and others.

On Monday, Hogan suggested the mayor waited too long to request a state of emergency.

That followed criticism over her remarks over the weekend, when she said it's important to give protesters the opportunity to exercise their right to free speech.

She seemed to take that notion a step further: "It's a very delicate balancing act, because, while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well."

As her "destroy" remarks faced a buzzsaw of criticism amid the riots Monday, the mayor initially tried to deny she said them.

"I never said nor would I ever say that we are giving people space to destroy our city, so my words should not be twisted," the mayor said Monday.

In a press conference, she accused critics of a "blatant mischaracterization."

But her office eventually released a written statement acknowledging she said those words -- while attempting to explain them.

Howard Libit, director of strategic planning and policy, said: "What she is saying within this statement was that there was an effort to give the peaceful demonstrators room to conduct their peaceful protests on Saturday. Unfortunately, as a result of providing the peaceful demonstrators with the space to share their message, that also meant that those seeking to incite violence also had the space to operate. ...

"The mayor is not saying that she asked police to give space to people who sought to create violence. Any suggestion otherwise would be a misinterpretation of her statement."

On Wednesday, Ben Carson, a potential Republican presidential candidate who was a pediatric neurosurgeon at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins, urged against "piling on" the mayor, whom he knows.

He told Fox News the bigger issue is what big-city mayors should be doing to prepare - early - for situations like this, particularly in what he described as a "tinderbox" atmosphere.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/29/source-baltimore-mayor-ordered-police-to-stand-down/




Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 29, 2015, 06:57:30 PM
This is kind of going away from Baltimore riots to national security discussion. If you think that her getting shot after hitting a barricade at the whitehouse and then driving off is rough, you should try driving to the NSA gate. Its a pretty discrete location, and tens of people accidentally take the exit to Fort Meade daily. You can't back up, and if you try they immediate stop you. The standard procedure is to have your car dissasembled before they let you leave.

@ Wilikon I dont know if her order was a good call or not, but consider this. In light of the whole police brutality revolts from Ferguson/Baltimore, etc. The world is watching to see how the police are going to respond. I don't necessarily blame them for being overly cautious. All it would have taken is one club upside the wrong person's head, them taking a flop and the riots would exponentially increase. Some additional stores got looted/burned because of police inaction, but what would have police action caused? Hindsight is 20-20


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on April 29, 2015, 08:56:24 PM
You are pathetic. Here is his arrest record
March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

in other words

March 20, 2015: drugs, probably marijuana
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: drugs, probably marijuana
December 31, 2014: drugs, probably marijuana
December 14, 2014: drugs, probably marijuana
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: drugs, probably marijuana, second-degree assault, second-degree escape probably caused by an arrest for drugs, probably marijuana
April 13, 2012: drugs, probably marijuana
July 16, 2008: drugs, probably marijuana
March 28, 2008: drugs, probably marijuana
March 14, 2008: drugs, probably marijuana
February 11, 2008: drugs, probably marijuana
August 29, 2007: drugs, probably marijuana
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: drugs, probably marijuana
July 16, 2007: drugs, probably marijuana.        

Pathetic?  
What's pathetic is quoting criminal cases you haven't even looked at. Your, again, showing your stupidity here, just assuming PROBABLY... ya never want to look at the details. The majority of charges are NOT for Marijuana. Keep spinning your facts.

Pathetic?
He's the one selling drugs (not marijuana, since this seems so important to you), burglarizing, and destructing other peoples property.... and I'm the pathetic one??  Man you really got your dignity intact...... yes that's sarcasm, and I feel I need to point that out to you.  :-\

Saying "get that shit out of my face about badges and bucks" paints you a moron of extreme stupidity. There are people in America serving life without parole for nonviolent marijuana offences. They all have in common that they did not have badges or money. If you honestly believe that having a badge or money does not affect the justice you receive you are one of only probably a few thousand people in America who believe that. If you follow news at all it is something so absurdly obvious that comments like yours are hard to figure out.

Certainly true that cops are human beings and so on. As to having a right to kill, why don't you just look at the cases being discussed? Do you understand that they did not have a right to kill these people? Or are you saying that just having a badge justifies any killing post facto?
What else do they have in common?.... oh right, they are criminals.
Where is your source, or a list, maybe even just 5 or 6 examples of these people in jail for LIFE based on small marijuana charges.
Keep in mind, each case you bring up will have DETAILS that go along with it and will likely include multiple offenses, arrests, etc. before they got any hard jail time. Again, I realize there are bad cops, there are bad doctors, there are bad waiters.... but the 'spin' that is in the media these days makes it seem like 70% of the cops are bad, when I think its more like 10-15%   and they tend to cluster around high-crime areas.

As for your questions, a police officer has the right to defend him or herself. Self-defense, IMO, includes when someone is pointing a gun at you... you point a gun at me and I will go into 'flight or fight' mode. Cops are trained to react a specific way in that flight or fight mode, maybe part of the issue, but thinking your not in any danger when a gun is pointing at you seems a little misguided.

You are obviously a very young person. When someone points a gun at you in most cases there is no danger. A person should not be working as a cop unless they are capable of assessing the threat.

When a 93 year old lady points a derringer at you there is literally no danger whatsoever, as long as you take a step back. She didn't get to 93 by shooting a derringer at guys with 9mm's.

In this case the cop had a boner for killing. The most dangerous are soldiers and cops who get a kick from killing. He went into the situation with a vague unarticulated feeling of "I'm the boss because I will kill you otherwise", a common thing with cops.

A lot of more seasoned people will say a 93 year old woman has the right to pull a derringer on anyone she wants. It's whether you trust badges which are proven to represent dubious values or age which is the opposite. Another way to put it is that ideally a badge is a symbol that says " I am working on behalf of an older boss". A badge should not mean you need to submit to some snot nosed punk cunt who managed to get hired as a cop.

Same with the young mother who ran.

Like rock paper scissors.
93 years old trumps a badge always.
Lady with small baby trumps a badge almost always.
That's nature, it's been that way long before badges and if you disagree you will learn.

Based on this last quote, I can almost guarantee you are under 23 years old. Either that, or your way too old (70+) to understand modern-day street violence and are sitting in your retirement house watching the internet & TV. By the way, there are plenty of hard-core grandmother criminals that do not ever end up in jail because of their age, including in the Mafia and other gang organizations. Age doesn't mean shit, an unknown armed 93 year old is just as dangerous as an unknown armed 16 year old. The old lady may even be more dangerous in this comparison, depending on who the 16 year old is.

You do not "hugely dislike cops". You are playing the game of defending their mistakes in a roundabout way. Maybe you fool some people, maybe even yourself.

I don't like or dislike " cops" generically. I've known a lot of cops including family who were decent. But at this point in America cops need to be straightened out by their bosses or things are going to get hot. It might not happen for a week, a month, a year, a decade, but the system as it is is headed for major broken.

There are a lot of very simple fixes. My first choice would be tell cops that if they are first on the trigger they are unemployed. Will it lead to more cops being killed? No. There will still be times when the first person to pull the trigger is a cop but it will not be when a 93 year old granny is pissed off.

I don't believe I would mind a 'do not shoot, unless shot at' policy... but this would require all police to wear bullet-proof vests and would change procedures dramatically when approaching certain situations. I do not have the time to analyze all of the consequences of this, but it doesn't seem like a horrible starting point. The problem is, when it starts becoming more unsafe for a police officer, what type of people are you going to have signing up to be a cop??  Simple fixes have repercussions, shouldn't someone of your age know that?    ;D


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on April 30, 2015, 11:28:37 AM
Section 1) Ultimately the police snapped his neck while he was restrained. Whether or not drugs, the great bulk of his "crimes" are objectively criminal is an issue for elsewhere. His crimes generally fall into the category of "i got no money". The snapping of his neck while restrained, and the defense of anyone justifying that, even indirectly, including you, falls into the category " i got money and those who don't are poor for some natural reason or defect".

2) http://www.lifeforpot.com/ and you don't 'have a right to defend yourself i.e. shoot when someone is pointing a gun at you. You have a fucking brain. Obviously you have had no guns pointed at you in questionable circumstances. The vast majority of ',pointed guns' are bluffs. If you are quick to shoot you will be slow to learn.

3) I estimated you as being young because of your comments. That is unchanged.

4) You seem to have this ridiculous notion that the number one priority for police is to porotect themselves, and that attitude is what led to thrse riots and probably more soon. If your number one priority is to just collect a fat paycheck and stay alive at all costs then don't become a cop.

A police of first shot = unemployed doesn't require any dramatic paperwork. Something like 99.999% of situations do not even come close to requiring that you fire the first shot. If a cop misjudges and shoots he can try another line of work. If he finds himself in that rare situation when a quick first shot was justified, again he can talk about it at his next place of work.

Ultimately, your drawing conclusions without any facts. You don't know what happened, nor do I. The facts are not all out in the case yet. The closest witness (the prisoner that was in the van with Freddie) states that he believes Freddie was banging his own head against the van in an attempt to injure himself. Rioting over speculation is stupid, peacefully protesting for the answers is great. Crimes because you "got no money" are still crimes and still illegal. If you think that criminals, thugs, whatever you want to call them, will shoot each other & regular citizens, without hesitation, but will not shoot a cop without hesitation in 99.999% of the situations, you would be severely misguided. It sounds like you just want cops getting killed, or you just want to allow the crime to happen if the criminal has a gun pointed at you. Baltimore has had over 15 shooting deaths in 2015 so far, and 70 homicides.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on April 30, 2015, 06:25:14 PM
They aren't really "rioting over speculation". They are rioting bevause for 100% of their lives they have watched cops get away with killings and other things. The riots are not a calculated event, at least on the part of the rioters. Peaceful protesting is nice, I agree, but it does absolutely nothing. Who are you trying to fool?

When you say "crimes because you 'got no money' are still crimes", you are at the point where you and I disagree.

Of course it is a crime for a wealthy person to steal hubcaps off cars at night. Is that why they don't do it? Are wealthy people too ethical and law abiding to steal hubcaps?

As for shootings, the vast majority of things police are sent to deal with do not involve any shooting, and when the cops are sent to a place where a shooting has occurred already they should have the ability to deal with the situation, in most cases, without further shooting. A lot of people who become cops do so for the same basic reason kids join gangs, and shooting at an opposing force is kind of fun for them, so they try to justify shooting. But the truth is that shooting is almost never necessary.

You assume that because I do not support unnecessary violence that therefore I support surrendering to people who do use violence. That is not the case.

No, they are rioting because they believe a police officer violently broke a drug dealers neck and they do not believe the cop had a right to chase him. Plus, they have little money, no job, and why the fuck not riot?   It was fun for them. They're bored. By the way, the 'no money and no job' isn't going to get any better now that they've burned down several businesses and likely thwarted new business ventures from starting up anytime soon.

Peaceful protestors are coming together to plead their case for police brutality or discrimination. IMO, this is driven by media, skewed statistics, and desensitized police that let power get to their head and think they are better than the humans they are in a community with.
Unfortunately, most of the parents in Baltimore City are drugged up themselves, kids have no guidance, they accept the world in which they are given. And one of the top rules of their world is "hate/fuck the police", no matter what experiences they have personally had with them.

Plenty of rich people steal now, just in 'white collar' way. I do hear what your saying, I wouldn't have the same response to someone shoplifting to feed their children, but you shouldn't equate that with someone dealing drugs, burglarizing, and destroying other peoples property (all things Freddie did). He didn't deserve to die, but if it was self-inflicted, that's his fault. The cops should be let go regardless, however, because they should have been able to realize he wasn't faking after the first few times of asking for medical attention and maybe he would still be around today.

The issue is that the police have become desensitized, which allows them to make misjudgments like not provide medical assistance to someone screaming in pain and they ultimately end up treating people like animals. Its partly psychological and it doesn't matter who you make a cop, similar to the Standford Prison Experiment. Its not good, I'm not justifying their actions, just explaining.

In addition, I want to correct my stat in my prior post. There have been 59 shootings in Baltimore City in 2015, out of 70 homicides, so far - not 15 like I had thought. You just seem to think nobody shoots... all just bluffs. Tell that to the 59 dead people in the last 4 months in Baltimore City.

Not to mention, you just made my point yourself, its fun for them to shoot at an opposing force. If your a cop, and your in a city that has had 59 shootings in 4 months. Average 3 per week. I can assure you they are on edge when approaching any criminal in Baltimore City and your theories of just "holding tight" and assuming its a bluff when someone aims a gun at you is asinine IMO.

2015, so far: 59 shootings out of 70 homicides. Avg 3 per week.
2014: 160 shootings out of 211 homicides. Avg 3 per week
2013: 189 shootings out of 235 homicides. Avg 3 per week.
2012: 181 shootings out of 217 homicides. Avg 3 per week.




Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Beliathon on May 01, 2015, 01:27:23 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/04/28/3651951/baltimore-freddie-gray-economic/


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: cryptocoiner on May 01, 2015, 07:24:33 AM
In Oct 2013 a young woman with a child bumped a concrete divider near a D.C. attraction.
The police got excited.
She panicked and tried to flee.
The police filled her car with bullets.
When they finally stopped shooting she had several bullet holes in her back.
The baby that was in the car with her was not hit.

The mainstream media started by headlining "Police Rescue Baby".
When that became too absurd even for Americans they switched to " Possible Suicide Bomber Killed In D.C."

The young lady had lived in Bed Stuy and Baltimore, both places you don't stop for strangers with guns and badges don't really tell you if a person is friendly.

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Then today Baltimore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10354477/Woman-shot-dead-after-trying-to-ram-security-barrier-at-White-House.html

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Any connection or coincidence?

Re: Baltimore burns. Why?

Google - "Ten Cities of 100,000 or More with Highest Percentage of Blacks or African Americans, 2000 and 2010"

Baltimore has 64% percent of a black population. A lot of them unemployed. No wonder they will easily go mad becouse of everything.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 01, 2015, 11:43:58 PM
Want to fix Baltimore? ‘End the drug war,’ says David Simon

No, The Wire does not explain what's happening in Baltimore this week, as my colleague Alyssa Rosenberg wrote yesterday. Still, the show's creator and former Baltimore Sun reporter David Simon knows a lot more about the city than most of us. And in a wide-ranging and riveting interview with The Marshall Project today, he offers an unequivocal assessment of how to turn things around in that city today.

"So do you see how this ends or how it begins to turn around?" Bill Keller asks him.

"We end the drug war," Simon says. "I know I sound like a broken record, but we end the [expletive] drug war. The drug war gives everybody permission to do anything. It gives cops permission to stop anybody, to go in anyone’s pockets, to manufacture any lie when they get to district court... Medicalize the problem, decriminalize [it] — I don't need drugs to be declared legal, but if a Baltimore State’s Attorney told all his assistant state’s attorneys today, from this moment on, we are not signing overtime slips for court pay for possession, for simple loitering in a drug-free zone... then all at once, the standards for what constitutes a worthy arrest in Baltimore would significantly improve."

Simon traces the arrest and death of Freddie Gray to a police culture that's long since abandoned any pretense of probable cause when it comes to stopping and arresting young black men in the city. "The drug war — which Baltimore waged as aggressively as any American city — was transforming in terms of police/community relations, in terms of trust, particularly between the black community and the police department," he says. "Probable cause was destroyed by the drug war."

In the growing concern over drug use in the 1980s and 1990s, political leaders -- in Baltimore and in cities all over the country -- began throwing people in jail on flimsy suspicions, Simon argues. "Too many officers who came up in a culture that taught them not the hard job of policing, but simply how to roam the city, jack everyone up, and call for the wagon."

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/29/want-to-fix-baltimore-end-the-drug-war-says-david-simon/?tid=sm_tw (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/29/want-to-fix-baltimore-end-the-drug-war-says-david-simon/?tid=sm_tw)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on May 02, 2015, 02:36:38 AM
In light of further revealed evidence in the investigation, I'm disgusted by the cops actions and believe they should be charged, as they have been. This still doesn't justify the rioting, this evidence would have come out whether a riot happened or not... it wasn't worth the self-inflicted damage to the community done.

Also, I hope nobody makes this about race. It is a problem between what the law currently sees as criminals, and police. There were 3 white cops, and 3 black cops. My mind is a little boggled right now because I really am surprised 6 cops could participate in something like this.... reminds me again of the stanford experiment. Its a sad day in humanity to see someone disrespect another life like this. Freddie Gray was not a saint, and I personally would classify him as a criminal based on his history, but he certainly didn't deserve to die, and in such a cruel fashion.

Baltimore has been on the verge of adopting body cams for all police, which I guess is a step in the right direction. Surveillance inside of police wagons would also be a good step after this BS... RIP Freddie.

 :-\


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 03, 2015, 12:48:48 AM
SHERIFF: 'DUKE LACROSSE CASE ALL OVER AGAIN'...

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke (D) declared the charges brought against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray “George Zimmerman and the Duke Lacrosse case all over again” and said “these cops are political prisoners,” offered up as human sacrifices, thrown like red meat to an angry mob” on Friday’s “Your World with Neil Cavuto” on the Fox News Channel.

Clarke said of the charges, “it’s a miscarriage of justice. This neophyte prosecutor stood up there and made a political statement, Neil, and I say that because she’s chanting or voicing some of the chants from this angry mob. Her job is to tune that out. She said, I hear the voices. She’s not supposed to hear anything as she reviews this case that is not consistent with the rule of law and our system of justice. Look, I’m an experienced and a veteran homicide detective. I’ve had — I’ve participated in charging conferences. There is no way I have ever gotten a criminal charge within 24 hours after taking over all the reports and evidence to a prosecutor. A prosecutor who is thorough needs several days to sift through hundreds of pages of reports. They usually want to interview some of the witnesses themselves, in person, and they have to sift through all of the evidence, piece by piece, and they have to wait for some of the forensics evidence to conclude, to come back and that’s why I say on a minimum, three to four days. She just got this case yesterday. This is political activism. She’ll never prove this beyond a reasonable doubt, and I’m not going to silently stand by and watch my brother officers, offered up as human sacrifices, thrown like red meat to an angry mob, just to appease this angry mob.” And that “she rushed this thing through.”

More...http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/05/01/clarke-freddie-gray-charges-duke-lacrosse-case-all-over-again/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/05/01/clarke-freddie-gray-charges-duke-lacrosse-case-all-over-again/)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Kluge on May 03, 2015, 12:57:35 AM
There's really no segment of society worse at writing, editing, and analyzing news than the media. It's amazing.

Headline: Woman shot dead after trying to ram security barrier at White House

The woman is revealed to be Miriam Carey in the opening statement. Later, they point out there was a baby in the vehicle who was "in 'good condition.'" There are no other people named Carey indicated as relevant by the story.

Closing paragraph: Both Carey and the police office were taken to the MedStar Washington Hospital Center. A spokesman would not comment on their conditions.


This isn't isolated - it's a systemic problem in our society! I'm convinced I could take this post to any journalist and have <20% identify why this is fucked up. -But I guess just communicating the event at all is better than having it competently communicated. Truly infuriating story... thank you for posting. >:(

See also:
<20% of newspaper/"webpaper" editorial staff will notice the bold/italicized text is fucked up.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 03, 2015, 12:58:44 AM
GoFundMe For Freddie Gray Officers Removed After 41 Minutes

The Baltimore City Fraternal Order of Police created a GoFundMe page for the six officers who were charged Friday in the death of Freddie Gray—but it lasted for less than an hour before being removed from the site.

The Fraternal Order of Police, a union representing Baltimore City police officers, set a fundraising goal of $600,000 to pay for the living expenses of the six officers, who were placed on unpaid suspension after they were charged in Gray’s death. In 41 minutes, the page raised $1,135.

It’s unclear whether GoFundMe deleted the fundraiser set up for the six officers, but the FOP posted on its Facebook page, “Apparently our GoFundMe account has been suspended with no explanation. We are working to find a new site for donations. Thank you!”

More...http://www.vocativ.com/news/189320/freddie-gray-gofundme-removed-baltimore-police-officers/ (http://www.vocativ.com/news/189320/freddie-gray-gofundme-removed-baltimore-police-officers/)

They should get themselves a bitcoin wallet and then ask for people to get coins and hook them up. That would be a nice little boost in demand and marketing for us at the same time. The diehard police lovers, who are probably middle aged and older and white, could use a little homework assignment.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 03, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
Curfew remains in place in Baltimore even as charges defuse tensions

BALTIMORE — After an unprecedented week of upheaval, thousands in this beleaguered city came out once again Saturday, this time hoping that the end of chaos would mark the beginning of real change.

The crowd gathered at City Hall on a gorgeous spring day may have been smaller than the 5,000 predicted when the rally was planned, but it was decidedly upbeat.

Protesters who had grown hoarse calling for police to be held accountable in the death of Freddie Gray seemed almost disoriented by getting their wish. Some toggled between euphoria and skepticism. Others tried to keep the pressure on, saying that only a conviction would equal justice.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/as-baltimore-stirred-to-life-saturday-calm-and-normalcy-prevail/2015/05/02/1478e0c8-f057-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/as-baltimore-stirred-to-life-saturday-calm-and-normalcy-prevail/2015/05/02/1478e0c8-f057-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: freakying99 on May 04, 2015, 01:00:41 AM
It burns because of dirty racist cops and because the people who live there need to get their voice out so then burn down the city and now the whole world is listening.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 04, 2015, 02:23:32 AM
Baltimore protesters celebrate, defy curfew after officers charged

Baltimore (AFP) - Protesters in Baltimore erupted in celebration and hundreds of people broke the city's curfew, a day after six police officers were charged over the death of an African-American man in their custody.

The death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray had sparked rioting and days of protests in the US East Coast port city over alleged police racism and brutality.

But the mood on the streets was drastically different on Saturday, with people singing and dancing as they cheered the charges including second-degree murder and manslaughter laid against the six police officers -- three of them black.

More...http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-hold-street-party-baltimore-officers-charged-021024806.html (http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-hold-street-party-baltimore-officers-charged-021024806.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 04, 2015, 02:25:36 AM
U.S. Split Along Racial Lines on Backlash Against Police, Poll Finds

Americans are bracing for a summer of racial disturbances around the country, such as those that have wracked Baltimore, with African Americans and whites deeply divided about why the urban violence has occurred, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll has found.

A resounding 96% of adults surveyed said it was likely there would be additional racial disturbances this summer, a signal that Americans believe Baltimore’s recent problems aren’t a local phenomenon but instead are symptomatic of broader national problems.

When asked to explain recent events in Baltimore and other cities that have seen confrontations between police and members of the African-American community, blacks and whites viewed the situation differently.

Asked to choose between two possible explanations for recent events, 60% of blacks said they reflected “long-standing frustrations about police mistreatment of African Americans.” Some 27% of black respondents said the disturbances were caused by people who used protests over an African American man dying in police custody  “as an excused to engage in looting and violence.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/05/03/u-s-split-along-racial-lines-on-backlash-against-police-poll-finds/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/05/03/u-s-split-along-racial-lines-on-backlash-against-police-poll-finds/)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 04, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Baltimore got $1.8 billion in stimulus for education, crime prevention

The city of Baltimore received over $1.8 billion from President Barack Obama’s stimulus law, including $467.1 million to invest in education and $26.5 million for crime prevention.

President Obama claimed last Tuesday that if the Republican-controlled Congress would implement his policies to make “massive investments in urban communities,” they could “make a difference right now” in the city, currently in upheaval following the death of Freddie Gray.

However, a Washington Free Beacon analysis found that the Obama administration and Democratically-controlled Congress did make a “massive” investment into Baltimore, appropriating $1,831,768,487 though the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), commonly known as the stimulus.

More...http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/ (http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/)

See how money ever so efficiently solves all the problems over here? Progressivism works so eloquently. ::) End the drug war and stop subsidizing people (single mothers) from having children and the inner city problem would be solved.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 02:48:55 AM
Another black man was shot in Baltimore tonight, it's being shown on Fox right now good grief. Will post more soon. Apparently shot in the back but this one was allegedly armed.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 02:50:06 AM
Fox interviewing witness: says guy was 18-19, sitting on steps of house, police car stopped by house, guy took off, police chased and then fired.

Witness says guy did not have gun in his hand.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 02:50:36 AM
Fox reporting police statement: while running away, suspect dropped pistol, pistol went off accidentally, that's when cop fired


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 02:55:41 AM
Fox News erroneously reports that police in Baltimore shot man

Fox News erroneously reported that Baltimore police shot a man Monday in the same neighborhood where unrest broke out last week — a mistake quickly corrected by the news network.

The midafternoon report by correspondent Mike Tobin, which also found its way onto Foxnews.com, was potentially dangerous, given the elevated tensions in Baltimore’s Sandtown section, where protests and looting erupted in the wake of the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody.

Tobin’s report caused about 30 minutes of unease in Baltimore before Fox anchor Shepard Smith went on-air to correct the story and apologize for the incorrect information. His apology followed a statement from Baltimore police that there had been no shooting.

More...http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/as-it-turned-out-nobody-was-shot-fox-news-quickly-reverses-report-of-baltimore-shooting/2015/05/04/9fc9c824-f299-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/as-it-turned-out-nobody-was-shot-fox-news-quickly-reverses-report-of-baltimore-shooting/2015/05/04/9fc9c824-f299-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html)

You've got to be kidding, Fox just lost all cred on this here.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 03:18:49 AM
Fox interviewing witness: says guy was 18-19, sitting on steps of house, police car stopped by house, guy took off, police chased and then fired.

Witness says guy did not have gun in his hand.

A witness?

I witnessed a UFO land in NYC and shapeshift into a horse.

Where is Fox news when the big stories happen?
They were trying to generate a big story here, can't ya tell? It's now almost certain that a black man wasn't shot despite that social media is running with it that the police did so.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 04:00:11 AM
Detroit prosecutor resigns after saying Baltimore rioters should be shot

DETROIT (Reuters) - A Detroit prosecutor who said on Facebook that people involved in Baltimore rioting should be shot has resigned, after her comments ignited fierce criticism, the prosecutor's office said on Friday.

Wayne County Assistant Prosecutor Teana Walsh had posted comments about this week's unrest in Baltimore, which was sparked by the death of Freddie Gray after he was fatally injured in police custody, according to a screenshot of her page posted on MyFox Detroit.com.

She described "large swarms of people throwing bricks etc at police who are fleeing from their assaults" and then suggested using guns.

"Simple. Shoot em. Period. End of discussion," Walsh posted.

The comment, which was criticized by local defense attorneys, has since been taken down from Facebook and Walsh's page is not accessible.

The death of 25-year-old Gray, who was black, has become the latest flashpoint in a national debate over the treatment of minority groups by U.S. law enforcement.

The populations of both Baltimore and Detroit are predominantly black. Nearly two-thirds of Baltimore's population and 83 percent of Detroit's is black. Both communities also experienced brutal race riots in the 1960s.

Walsh called Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy on Friday afternoon to say she was voluntarily resigning, and Worthy accepted, said assistant prosecutor Maria Miller in a statement on Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/detroit-prosecutor-resigns-saying-baltimore-rioters-shot-193846671.html (http://news.yahoo.com/detroit-prosecutor-resigns-saying-baltimore-rioters-shot-193846671.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: lister storm on May 05, 2015, 04:52:03 AM
the police actually have to see you commit a crime in order to chase you or can they pursue you if
you run regardless ???


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: bitcoin revo on May 05, 2015, 04:57:54 AM
the police actually have to see you commit a crime in order to chase you or can they pursue you if
you run regardless ???

Basically in a high crime area can be used as reasonable suspicion to stop that person and investigate him


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: lister storm on May 05, 2015, 05:07:39 AM
the police actually have to see you commit a crime in order to chase you or can they pursue you if
you run regardless ???

Basically in a high crime area can be used as reasonable suspicion to stop that person and investigate him
thanks ...

Looting stores and beating civilians who had nothing to do with what happened to that man who died is wrong.
:-\


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: grendel25 on May 05, 2015, 05:59:13 AM
Why?  It's because people keep dying to police in what seems like unreasonable circumstances.  But the pendulum swings both ways and there are cops fighting for their lives everyday.

Decriminalize drugs would be a good starting point so I'll go with that as a root cause:

Baltimore burns because drugs are criminalized.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on May 05, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Today and last night is the result of the police mishandling someone they arrested, not getting them immediate medical help, then the due dying. Predictably, many people around the area w/ the same skin color act as though they knew the guy and start doing their usual protesting that inevitably gets taken over by the small and feeble minded, in this case the ghettoheads. The police screwed up but this kind of 'protesting' needs to be rooted out by the respectable members of the neighborhood.

While I understand the angle of protesters - very, very sub-par living standarts in comparison to the rest of N.A. and underemployment, I cant help but notice, that African-Americans react to these circumstances in packish, passive agressive ways as modus operandi. It is really reminiscent of extreme forms of nationalism in last centurys Europe. Just outsiders perspective  ;)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on May 05, 2015, 06:48:38 PM
Today and last night is the result of the police mishandling someone they arrested, not getting them immediate medical help, then the due dying. Predictably, many people around the area w/ the same skin color act as though they knew the guy and start doing their usual protesting that inevitably gets taken over by the small and feeble minded, in this case the ghettoheads. The police screwed up but this kind of 'protesting' needs to be rooted out by the respectable members of the neighborhood.

While I understand the angle of protesters - very, very sub-par living standarts in comparison to the rest of N.A. and underemployment, I cant help but notice, that African-Americans react to these circumstances in packish, passive agressive ways as modus operandi. It is really reminiscent of extreme forms of nationalism in last centurys Europe. Just outsiders perspective  ;)

Is there some group that reacts differently?

In N.A.? I see similar behavior among feminists and LGBT activists, but those are not tied together by ethnic self-designation.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 06, 2015, 01:24:39 AM
20.7% of Jobs in Baltimore Are Government Jobs

Within the borders of Baltimore City in March, according to BLS, there were 364,200 total “employees.” These employees included both people who lived in the city as well as people who lived outside the city but worked within its limits. Singular individuals who were employed in two different jobs at the same time are counted as two employees in the BLS survey.

Of the 364,200 total jobs in Baltimore City in March, 75,500—or 20.7 percent—were jobs working for the government. That included 39,400 state government jobs, 26,000 local government jobs, and 10,100 federal government jobs.

By contrast, there were only 11,600 manufacturing jobs in Baltimore City, according to BLS. That means government had 6.5 times as many employees in Baltimore City as all of the manufacturers located in the city.

Nationwide in March, according to the BLS, total employment was 141,183,000. Employment by government was 21,898,000. Thus, 15.5 percent of the jobs nationwide were government jobs.

More...http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/207-jobs-baltimore-are-government-jobs (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/207-jobs-baltimore-are-government-jobs)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: +n+(?_?)+n+ on May 06, 2015, 05:55:50 AM
20.7% of Jobs in Baltimore Are Government Jobs

Within the borders of Baltimore City in March, according to BLS, there were 364,200 total “employees.” These employees included both people who lived in the city as well as people who lived outside the city but worked within its limits. Singular individuals who were employed in two different jobs at the same time are counted as two employees in the BLS survey.

Of the 364,200 total jobs in Baltimore City in March, 75,500—or 20.7 percent—were jobs working for the government. That included 39,400 state government jobs, 26,000 local government jobs, and 10,100 federal government jobs.

By contrast, there were only 11,600 manufacturing jobs in Baltimore City, according to BLS. That means government had 6.5 times as many employees in Baltimore City as all of the manufacturers located in the city.

Nationwide in March, according to the BLS, total employment was 141,183,000. Employment by government was 21,898,000. Thus, 15.5 percent of the jobs nationwide were government jobs.

More...http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/207-jobs-baltimore-are-government-jobs (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/207-jobs-baltimore-are-government-jobs)

This is of those workers who works for the baltimore local government. http://www.newser.com/story/206364/baltimore-city-worker-spent-half-his-time-watching-porn.html


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 06, 2015, 06:58:44 PM
Surveillance planes spotted in the sky for days after West Baltimore rioting

As Benjamin Shayne settled into his back yard to listen to the Orioles game on the radio Saturday night, he noticed a small plane looping low and tight over West Baltimore — almost exactly above where rioting had erupted several days earlier, in the aftermath of the death of a black man, Freddie Gray, in police custody.

The plane appeared to be a small Cessna, but little else was clear. The sun had already set, making traditional visual surveillance difficult. So, perplexed, Shayne tweeted: “Anyone know who has been flying the light plane in circles above the city for the last few nights?”

That was 9:14 p.m. Seven minutes later came a startling reply. One of Shayne’s nearly 600 followers tweeted back a screen shot of the Cessna 182T’s exact flight path and also the registered owner of the plane: NG Research, based in Bristow, Va.

“The Internet,” Shayne, 39, told his wife, “is an amazing thing.”

What Shayne’s online rumination helped unveil was a previously secret, multi-day campaign of overhead surveillance by city and federal authorities during a period of historic political protest and unrest.

More...http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/surveillance-planes-spotted-in-the-sky-for-days-after-west-baltimore-rioting/2015/05/05/c57c53b6-f352-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/surveillance-planes-spotted-in-the-sky-for-days-after-west-baltimore-rioting/2015/05/05/c57c53b6-f352-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: striker7334 2.0 on May 06, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
If you want the rioting to stop then start holding the police accountable for their actions, this is hard because most police departments in America has a gang mentality mindset of "us or them." So 9/10 nothing long-term happens to the officers that are being punished, sure you can dismiss him...he's got another position already waiting for him in the separate county a few miles down the way. So in order to hold officers accountable I purpose the solutions that I read about in an article on zero-hedge start hitting them where it hurts the most... their pocketbook. Taking money from their paychecks and their pensions this will ensure that other officers will police each other when their all held responsible as a department for the bad officers actions.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: ibminer on May 06, 2015, 07:24:48 PM
Surveillance planes spotted in the sky for days after West Baltimore rioting

As Benjamin Shayne settled into his back yard to listen to the Orioles game on the radio Saturday night, he noticed a small plane looping low and tight over West Baltimore — almost exactly above where rioting had erupted several days earlier, in the aftermath of the death of a black man, Freddie Gray, in police custody.

The plane appeared to be a small Cessna, but little else was clear. The sun had already set, making traditional visual surveillance difficult. So, perplexed, Shayne tweeted: “Anyone know who has been flying the light plane in circles above the city for the last few nights?”

That was 9:14 p.m. Seven minutes later came a startling reply. One of Shayne’s nearly 600 followers tweeted back a screen shot of the Cessna 182T’s exact flight path and also the registered owner of the plane: NG Research, based in Bristow, Va.

“The Internet,” Shayne, 39, told his wife, “is an amazing thing.”

What Shayne’s online rumination helped unveil was a previously secret, multi-day campaign of overhead surveillance by city and federal authorities during a period of historic political protest and unrest.

More...http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/surveillance-planes-spotted-in-the-sky-for-days-after-west-baltimore-rioting/2015/05/05/c57c53b6-f352-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/surveillance-planes-spotted-in-the-sky-for-days-after-west-baltimore-rioting/2015/05/05/c57c53b6-f352-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html)

I have friends in Baltimore, and they had already seen an increase in police helicopters, but also a few large military planes, has been going on for about 3 weeks BEFORE the incident with Freddie Gray. Why, I don't know.....

There is also a large "blimp" that was put up by one of the military bases in the area that is supposedly used for radar. I'm not really buying that its only used for radar, but how would I ever find out any different?

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/12/18/military-new-surveillance-blimp-takes-to-maryland-skies/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-army-launch-2-missile-surveillance-blimps-md-article-1.2049862
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Although they don't have cameras now, the blimps have potential to support infrared cameras. If cameras were used, the blimps would be able to detect and identify people, car models and license plates.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: hangar18 on May 07, 2015, 11:51:23 PM
seems Gray was known to police for previous drug offences and at the time of the arrest was in possession of a switchblade.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Mike Christ on May 08, 2015, 01:45:13 AM
So in order to hold officers accountable I purpose the solutions that I read about in an article on zero-hedge start hitting them where it hurts the most... their pocketbook.  Taking money from their paychecks and their pensions this will ensure that other officers will police each other when their all held responsible as a department for the bad officers actions.

You should investigate this new technology called "the market", it basically does this except it's p2p so you don't need an expensive middleman political system to sort out who gets money taken from and why.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 08, 2015, 03:24:28 AM
seems Gray was known to police for previous drug offences and at the time of the arrest was in possession of a switchblade.
Originally, it was thought that the blade was legal and now illegal. This guy Gray was not an angel which is why I'm not having this protesting crap atm. It's all about race at this point but shouldn't be.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on May 08, 2015, 06:40:55 PM
If you want the rioting to stop then start holding the police accountable for their actions, this is hard because most police departments in America has a gang mentality mindset of "us or them." So 9/10 nothing long-term happens to the officers that are being punished, sure you can dismiss him...he's got another position already waiting for him in the separate county a few miles down the way. So in order to hold officers accountable I purpose the solutions that I read about in an article on zero-hedge start hitting them where it hurts the most... their pocketbook. Taking money from their paychecks and their pensions this will ensure that other officers will police each other when their all held responsible as a department for the bad officers actions.

At the same time, that cop involved in shooting of Mr. Brown was freed by court, at the same time, couple of states down road black cop shot white teenager (who was also agressive). No riots by white mobs, no media storm. How does your emotional argument explain this difference?


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: striker7334 2.0 on May 09, 2015, 12:09:19 AM
So in order to hold officers accountable I purpose the solutions that I read about in an article on zero-hedge start hitting them where it hurts the most... their pocketbook.  Taking money from their paychecks and their pensions this will ensure that other officers will police each other when their all held responsible as a department for the bad officers actions.

You should investigate this new technology called "the market", it basically does this except it's p2p so you don't need an expensive middleman political system to sort out who gets money taken from and why.

Thank you I will look into it! :)

If you want the rioting to stop then start holding the police accountable for their actions, this is hard because most police departments in America has a gang mentality mindset of "us or them." So 9/10 nothing long-term happens to the officers that are being punished, sure you can dismiss him...he's got another position already waiting for him in the separate county a few miles down the way. So in order to hold officers accountable I purpose the solutions that I read about in an article on zero-hedge start hitting them where it hurts the most... their pocketbook. Taking money from their paychecks and their pensions this will ensure that other officers will police each other when their all held responsible as a department for the bad officers actions.

At the same time, that cop involved in shooting of Mr. Brown was freed by court, at the same time, couple of states down road black cop shot white teenager (who was also agressive). No riots by white mobs, no media storm. How does your emotional argument explain this difference?

I don't quite understand your question are you saying why is rioting justified because of him being a white officer?? That wasn't really my point I was speaking about police brutality and corruption in the different departments as a whole not really specifically about racial profiling(which does happen 9/10 towards African Americans more then White Americans that is proven). I believe that is the reason people make such a media frenzy when it involves African Americans because it shouldn't be like that, race shouldn't be the issue, but it is and that in turn continues to feed racism instead of just letting it die out with each passing generation its like a double-edge sword.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 13, 2015, 01:57:11 AM
Baltimore man nearly beaten to death by 50(!) "youths"

Richard Fletcher was beaten by a gang after asking two girls to stop fighting on his truck in Dundalk, Maryland.

Man, 61, left with horrific injuries and facing $400,000 medical bills after near fatal attack by pack of FIFTY teens, including girls, when he tried to break up a fight

A 17-year-old boy has been charged as an adult for his role in beating a 61-year-old alongside a group of approximately 50 other teens in Baltimore, Maryland, on April 22.

Richard Fletcher was brutally beaten by the teens after he went outside to ask two girls who were fighting on top of his truck to move along and continue their dispute elsewhere

Pics and more...http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/face-baltimore-you-wont-see-news (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/face-baltimore-you-wont-see-news)

Something like this happened in Detroit last year. Everyone of these little parasites should be charged w/ aggravated assault w/ the intent to murder and the local NAACP should pay the tab plus heavy restitution. I sure as hell wouldn't have addressed any of these punks w/o a shotgun in hand and my .40 cal lodged in my Miami Classic II under one shoulder and 2 extra clips under the other.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on May 13, 2015, 05:01:25 AM
50 against 1 with slightly more than 50 rounds of ammo? Fuck's sake man, I would have poured a line of gasoline between me and the group, and flicked a BIC. YOU SHALL NOT PASS!


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 16, 2015, 11:22:49 PM
BALTIMORE PROSECUTORS IN FREDDIE GRAY CASE SEEK GAG ORDER

BALTIMORE (AP) -- Baltimore prosecutors are seeking a gag order as they pursue a criminal case against six city officers in the case of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old man who died a week after suffering a spinal injury while in police custody.

A court document that references the gag order, obtained by The Associated Press, is dated Wednesday. Assistant State's Attorney Antonio Gioia wrote that the gag order motion was mailed to defense attorneys.

Rochelle Ritchie, a spokeswoman for State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby, confirmed Friday the office is seeking a gag order. She declined to provide further details.

A gag order typically prevents attorneys and witnesses from publicly commenting on or releasing information about a particular case.

Mosby announced the charges, which range from second-degree misdemeanor assault to "depraved-heart" murder, in a lengthy news conference one day after receiving an investigative report from police. The May 1 announcement came after more than a week of protests that on two occasions gave way to rioting, prompting Democratic Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake to implement a curfew and Republican Gov. Larry Hogan to declare a state of emergency for the city.

More...http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BALTIMORE_POLICE_DEATH_MOTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-16-01-05-09 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BALTIMORE_POLICE_DEATH_MOTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-16-01-05-09)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: freemind1 on May 17, 2015, 12:11:38 PM
While the Baltimore police continue doing what they want to be going unpunished will follow the same if no one puts an end, and I refer of course to politicians.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 21, 2015, 11:26:53 PM
The Other Racial Divide
Were Asian-American businesses targeted in the Baltimore riots?

When guests at a North Korea Freedom Week dinner in Northern Virginia learned the Korean-American pastor at our table led a Maryland church, they immediately asked about the situation in Baltimore. It was May 1, and National Guard troops had been deployed to the city three days earlier to help quell the unrest sparked by the death of a man in police custody. The pastor let out a deep sigh before responding. A few members of his congregation had lost everything. After working diligently for years building small businesses in a new country, they watched their efforts literally go up in flames as looters trashed their shops and carted off their merchandise.

The crisis reminded many in America’s growing community of two million Korean immigrants and their descend-ants of another city’s devastation two decades earlier. Baltimore’s riots began two days before the anniversary of the outbreak of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, in which Koreatown, the heart of the Korean diaspora in America, was subjected to pogrom-like attacks by irate mobs. Though Asian Americans had nothing to do with either Rodney King’s or Freddie Gray’s injuries, they appear to have been the targets of some of the animosity unleashed by rioters.

More...http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/other-racial-divide_946670.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/other-racial-divide_946670.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 21, 2015, 11:32:32 PM
Baltimore's mayor: Spike in crime 'disheartening'

Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake called the city's recent spike in violence “disheartening” Thursday as police work to address a dramatic increase in homicides and nonfatal shootings.

“It’s extremely frustrating,” the mayor told reporters at a news conference. “It is disheartening, but I am still resolved to continue to reduce violent crime in our city.”

Rawlings-Blake said the city’s faced spikes in crimes in the past and police have been able to successfully reverse them. She said she’s “confident” police will do so again.

The city has experienced 100 homicides this year, compared with 71 at this time last year, the police department said. It's the fastest the city has reached 100 homicides since 2007. Last year, the city reached the mark on July 4. Nonfatal shootings are up more than 70 percent with at least 19 people shot on Tuesday and Wednesday.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-mayor-spike-in-crime-disheartening-20150521-story.html (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-mayor-spike-in-crime-disheartening-20150521-story.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on May 21, 2015, 11:34:08 PM
What percentage of those homicides were justified in self-defense, committed by those only "guilty" of the totalitarian-defined "crime" of possessing a self-defense tool?


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 29, 2015, 03:43:27 AM
Looks like these Baltimore folks will have to defend themselves from the parasites they live around cause it looks like the police are throwing the towel.

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West Baltimore residents worry they've been abandoned by the officers they once accused of harassing them, leaving some neighborhoods like the Wild West without a lawman around. "Before it was over-policing. Now there's no police," said Donnail "Dreads" Lee, 34, who lives in the Gilmor Homes, the public housing complex where Gray, 25, was chased down. "People feel as though they can do things and get away with it. I see people walking with guns almost every single day, because they know the police aren't pulling them up like they used to."

Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said his officers "are not holding back," despite encountering dangerous hostility in the Western District. "Our officers tell me that when officers pull up, they have 30 to 50 people surrounding them at any time," Batts said.

http://www.mail.com/news/us/3580888-baltimore-bloodier-arrests-drop-post-freddie-gray.html#.23140-stage-hero1-2 (http://www.mail.com/news/us/3580888-baltimore-bloodier-arrests-drop-post-freddie-gray.html#.23140-stage-hero1-2)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 29, 2015, 04:57:34 AM
Baltimore Gets Bloodier As Arrests Drop Post-Freddie Gray

BALTIMORE (AP) — A 31-year-old woman and a young boy were shot in the head Thursday, becoming Baltimore’s 37th and 38th homicide victims so far this month, the city’s deadliest in 15 years.

The most recent killings claimed the lives of Jennifer Jeffrey and her seven-year-old son, Kester Anthony Browne. They were identified by Jeffrey’s sister, Danielle Wilder.

Jeffrey and her son were found dead early Thursday, each from gunshot wounds to the head.
As family members cried and held each other on the quiet, leafy block in Southwest Baltimore where they lived, Wilder said she felt as if “my heart has been ripped out.”

Wilder said a neighbor called their other sister early Thursday, concerned that she hadn’t hear any noise coming from Jeffrey’s house: no footsteps, Wilder said, no voices, and no gunshots. But when her brother let himself into the house to check on the mother and son, he discovered their bodies.

More...http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/baltimore-residents-fearful-amid-rash-of-homicides/ (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/baltimore-residents-fearful-amid-rash-of-homicides/)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 29, 2015, 05:02:12 AM
Baltimore residents fearful amid rash of homicides

BALTIMORE (AP) — Antoinette Perrine has barricaded her front door since her brother was killed three weeks ago on a basketball court near her home in the Harlem Park neighborhood of West Baltimore. She already has iron bars outside her windows and added metal slabs on the inside to deflect the gunfire.

"I'm afraid to go outside," said Perrine, 47. "It's so bad, people are afraid to let their kids outside. People wake up with shots through their windows. Police used to sit on every corner, on the top of the block. These days? They're nowhere."

Perrine's brother is one of 36 people killed in Baltimore so far this month, already the highest homicide count for May since 1999. But while homicides are spiking, arrests have plunged more than 50 percent compared to last year.

The drop in arrests followed the death of Freddie Gray from injuries he suffered in police custody. Gray's death sparked protests against the police and some rioting, and led to the indictment of six officers.

More...http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150528/us--homicide_spike-baltimore-984491eb03.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150528/us--homicide_spike-baltimore-984491eb03.html)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on May 29, 2015, 05:04:28 AM
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you."


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on May 29, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
Mother, 7-Year-Old Son Killed In Baltimore Shooting

BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Shock and sadness in a Southwest Baltimore community after a double murder. One of the victims — just seven-years-old.

Derek Valcourt has more on the victims and where the investigation stands right now.

Family members look on in horror as the bodies of the mother and her young son are pulled from their home at 103 Upmanor Road in the Uplands neighborhood of Southwest Baltimore.

Jennifer Jeffrey Browne, 31, and her seven-year-old son Kester “Tony” Browne were found dead just after 8 a.m. Thursday — both shot in the head.
Neighbors — appalled.

“Who can do this? What kind of person is he?” asked Donald Barber.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/8-year-old-another-woman-killed-in-baltimore-shooting/ (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/8-year-old-another-woman-killed-in-baltimore-shooting/)


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 05, 2015, 03:30:40 AM
Looted Drugs Fueling Deadly Turf Wars in Baltimore

BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Baltimore’s top cop confirms what WJZ has been reporting – -almost 200,000 narcotics are on the streets of Baltimore, and police say they’re fueling deadly turf wars.

Police believe stolen prescription drugs are driving the violence sweeping the city.
“There’s enough narcotics on the streets of Baltimore to keep it intoxicated for a year,” Commissioner Batts said.

More than 175,000 units or doses of drugs were looted from 27 pharmacies and two methadone clinics during the April 27 riots. Almost half of those businesses haven’t even finished assessing what was stolen.

More...http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/06/03/batts-enough-stolen-drugs-on-the-streets-to-keep-baltimore-high-for-a-year/ (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/06/03/batts-enough-stolen-drugs-on-the-streets-to-keep-baltimore-high-for-a-year/)

Crazy, it didn't even dawn on me that pre-x drugs were to blame for all the violence after the hoodlums ransacked these pharmacy stores until this story said the obvious. Can you imagine all the percecet, oxy and whatever else these lowlifes got ahold of? :o Free product instead of messing w/ the same old street stuff and look what happens!


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 05, 2015, 09:49:21 AM
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you."

No. Frankly, president or whoever is in charge of your country should step in, form commitee, that would once and for all investigate LEOs alleged "misuse of power" and then resolve the situation on the ground via national guard. You just cant let this go or be apathetic, this is your fucking country, not Somalia or Iraq.


Title: Re: Baltimore burns. Why?
Post by: TheButterZone on June 05, 2015, 06:35:16 PM
"Arm yourself because no one else here will save you."

No. Frankly, president or whoever is in charge of your country should step in, form commitee, that would once and for all investigate LEOs alleged "misuse of power" and then resolve the situation on the ground via national guard. You just cant let this go or be apathetic, this is your fucking country, not Somalia or Iraq.

They are supposedly doing that through DOJ, but stopping short of national guard-enforced martial law. Jim Crow laws which only disarm law-abiding blacks (and all other races that can't afford bribes) for the slaughter need to be civilly disobeyed.