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UPDATE: Issue has been resolved . Magic8Ball payed it. https://blockchain.info/tx/18a35f823c7aa6ffe20185ce0626010a0c9f26346b342908a5bc32c46609185f

As I said earlier :
I have just donated (https://blockchain.info/tx/b2cbf1e3a7945442c8058b2aeda43d1ad11b6227eeacbc9c0563b93fc6409d50) it to Sean's outpost (http://www.seansoutpost.com/).

UPDATE: Issue has not been resolved yet. But it seems it will be done soon. Since I have very limited access to internet , Im changing the title before the settlement. When I have a proper internet I will make a more detailed explanation.

What happened:

I have attended his signature campaign 3 weeks ago. In the middle of second week , he just removed me and 4 other FM without a valid reason. I said I can accept his rude attitude only if he pays for what I posted second week.
 
However, he didnt pay saying by I didnt reach minimum 10 posts/weekly. Also he claimed my posts were not constructive and good quality.

I object his 2 arguments:
1-)He claimed that I didnt reach 10 posts. This argument would be only meaningful if he waited till Saturday (payout date). But he kicked me out of his campaign at Thursday. So he should pay for my posts.

2-) He claimed my posts were not constructive and (good) quality. I believe my posts were both constructive and good quality. But he kept full members who have worse posts than me , like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357347;sa=showPosts). Even he kept paying participants which most of their posts are "SPAMMY", like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=498332;sa=showPosts).

To sum up, I believe he scammed me by not paying for my posts in second week. My main objection about him that he cannot kick out his participants w/o a *proper reason. He should pay what he did.

Proper reason: A reason that should be clearly stated in the OP and can be confirmed easily by objective people.


Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=223826

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11318797#msg11318797

Amount Scammed: 0.0054 BTC
Payment Method: BTC

PM/Chat Logs:
http://i62.tinypic.com/345ig7t.png
http://i57.tinypic.com/ok74md.png
http://i62.tinypic.com/24cbntl.png
http://i58.tinypic.com/2lx7aro.png

Additional Notes:

He broke his terms a few times. He changed campaign terms mostly. I believe he is either liar or incapable of managing signature campaigns.

Example 1: He raised maximum posts to 80 w/o saying extra conditions and he ALSO updated it in OP. After 2-3 days he changed it to 50 again,(all changes were done same week). When asked, he said it was only valid for new participants which wasnt implied anywhere but just his last post.

Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11327118#msg11327118

Example 2: He first said for first 30 people who downloads CREDITS wallet will get 10 CREDITS . But after some time , he reduced 30 to 15 by increasing the reward 10 to 20 . Since only a few people downloaded and asked for a reward , It didnt affect anyone but again he broke his promise.

Links:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11223943#msg11223943
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11233598#msg11233598

Edit 1: Reference link has been fixed
Edit 2: Fixed his name

Which are the posts you claim have not been paid?

So, a valid reason for cutting members of the campaign is that, we don't have the bankroll to pay out 30+ users. We shortened out list, and cut off the members which we felt were not giving Credits a good reputation. I PMed each of those 5 Full members personally, explaining why this happened. However, your posts were not to the standards at which we wanted, therefore we removed you from the campaign.

I hope you understand this, and am slightly disappointed you decided to open up a scam accusation thread instead of just handling this with me via PM.

Anyone else have opinions on this?

Yes i do and you should pay what you have to, he has a point, you never specified exactly the terms or that you could just delete any member you wanted, if you did i wouldnt say anything but you didnt so...

Regarding "breaking promises", I as well as any other campaign manager am allowed to add promotional rates/bonuses at any time at my discretion. We had 2 slots left, and decided to allow THOSE 3 REGISTRANTS to post up 80 times and be paid. I explicitly stated that in the thread multiple times.

https://i.imgur.com/I4n1ocL.png

Regarding the bonus, we still have only had 4 members come forward asking for the bonus, which they received. I hardly see how this is an issue, seeing how we have a max of 20 users on the campaign.... 15 users would receive MORE CRE as their bonus.

Also, please at least spell my name right, it's GreydonIselmoe.

The point being, if he was going to be paid as if he stayed for the whole week, he would have been paid 0 btc, since he had less than the minimum post count.

Here are my posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1050283.msg11300430#msg11300430
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046692.msg11300375#msg11300375
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1052001.msg11300214#msg11300214
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1052001.msg11300102#msg11300102
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1052008.msg11300051#msg11300051
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1051235.msg11294273#msg11294273

Regards...

Why dont you want to understand that I didnt leave your campaign but YOU KICKED ME OUT. So, there is no point by saying "You didnt reach minimum post count if you stayed". I just cannot stay when you removed me at Thursday.

And YOU CANNOT remove people in the middle of week just by saying "we have to..." . You should mention it in the OP or wait at least payout day.

@GreydonIselmoe Can you confirm whether these posts were made in relevant period?

Yup, they were. Those we're the only 6 posts he made during the period in question, with the 7 day period before that having a total of 3 posts.

# GreydonIselmoe can remove any poster if he/she judges the posts to be unhelpful to the campaign
# Since removal is done before payment date, the posts till then should be considered and paid according to the rate
# GreydonIselmoe deposited 1 BTC in escrow and has paid regularly, making it clear that he/she was not intending to scam
# Zorrocoin was wrong to have called GreydonIselmoe a scammer and instead should've tried resolving the situation peacefully

My solution:

# GreydonIselmoe pays 0.0054 BTC to Zorrocoin for the 6 posts made. He/she can ask this to be paid from escrow
# Zorrocoin apologizes for calling GreydonIselmoe a scammer, and edits/moves this thread appropriately

I agree with that except the removal date. He cannot remove in the middle of week unless he specified in the OP.
One more thing , If he still kept spammish posters like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=498332;sa=showPosts , I dont see any valid point for being removed.


That was only thing I wanted from him for being removal. Please have a look at my first post after being removed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11315085#msg11315085


Escrow is OK but he changed terms regularly and this makes him at least untrustable. On the other hand, since he didnt pay me, from my point of view , he deserves a scam accusation.


I have already tried and explained what I wrote here. At least I told him 3 times, but he regrets to paying repeating the same " You didnt reach minimum post ...". He insisted to not paying. I have accused him about his insist. If he has alreay paid or accepted his fault(I believe he had a fault by removing in the middle of week and not paying when he kept SPAMMISH posters).  So what do you expect from me  rather than openning a scam accusation. For the record, I didnt call him scammer just opened an accusation. If your talk about the scammers link thing , it was just a copy/paste.



If he pays Ill change my tag but I dont apologize because he didnt paid. Since I have told him more than twice and warned him that if he didnt pay I would open a thread, I think there is no need to apologize. Because he already knew there would be such a thing and refused to pay already.

Edit: Fixed spelling and wrong quote

i have some problem with zorrocoin
i was make more than 50 post before i removed from credit's campaign
and he said i make spam post on micro earning always said about faucet
but he never make rules like that :(
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11346601#msg11346601
and he remove us two/three days before payment, it is so unfair i guess

Which are your posts you are claiming were not paid for?

58 post magic88ball :)
from 255 to 313
we hope we can get fairness thank you

In my opinion (and seeing how it was my campaign, my opinion should be the only one that counts), these posts are not quality. All of your posts were the same length, spaced to appear like a lot of text, and always in the same subforum - micro earnings.

It seemed more like you were just abusing post count and spamming to receive a high payout.
https://i.imgur.com/bhSa7fS.png
https://i.imgur.com/m4F2bLa.png

https://i.imgur.com/t7jBUcq.png

spam or not is subjective :)
but your attitude so bad i never see campaign like this
remove participants two days before payments
at least you remove us after first payment if you don’t like our post style
and my sig camp now still pay my "faucet post"
and i like that section
i think not only me who’s disappointed with your attitude :)

After checking through those posts, I thin you are lucky not be banned.

Neither of GreydonIselmoe and Zorrocoin has accepted my solution. The funds stay locked for now.

If I may, Zorrocoin's posts mentioned in this thread don't look spammy but it may not be high quality. IMHO Zorrocoin should be paid for those 6 posts considering he was banned before the period ends.

By all means, pay zorrocoin his deserved amount, my opinion clearly wasn't proper. Magic8Ball I'm okay with you paying him out via the held BTC :)

Glad you come to a settlement here, as you just said "pay zorrocoin his deserved amount". Your opinion does matter and was proper if.. You never kicked him half way threw the week because lack of funds to pay all members, this should have all been worked out and funds expenditures totalled before you accepted them into the campaign to avoid any of this that has happened. Live and learn so they say. I agree with the other guy being questionable at best, he was on a posting mission just 2minutes between posts and that is not bringing constructiveness to any thread how would he read and then take the time to write the post lol I agree that you are very lucky not to be banned "Miftach"

For the record, it wasn't a lack of funds, it was a lack of willingness to pay out such a high amount to users which we felt were not generating our "moneys-worth" of advertising. Hope everyone understands this, and we can move on with our crypto lives ;)

Zorrocoin has not agreed to the solution while GreydonIselmoe has. I will wait for another day to see whether Zorrocoin changes his mind.

If it stays the same, I will release the escrow back to GreydonIselmoe. He can then pay Zorrocoin if he so wishes. GreydonIselmoe can also request me to waive the last condition of my solution in which case I will process Zorrocoin's payment and send the rest back to GreydonIselmoe.

For the record you may want to stand by your word, Here let me remind you ...


So my point remains and there is no need to lie! You never had enough to pay for 30+ users when like I said you should have done simple calculations, what would be the most you will need to pay out and how far would 1btc go toward this, would you have funds left over would it be to much etc etc. Anyway enough of the lessons how to do things properly but don't make out I can't read and make your mind up what the reason for not paying him is, because it is not very clear when you change what you mean a day later  ;)

What? I'm not lying, I'm not even the one funding the campaign. Paying out 1.2 BTC per week for an average of 80 clicks was not worth the money. The funding third party agreed, and although HE HAD the bitcoin to continue the compaign at whatever rate, he and I agreed we shouldn't. We started with cutting the number of users, and then completely shut down the campaign when we didn't see much attraction generated from the campaign.



And Magic8Ball, I could care less whether he apologizes as he definitely will not *mean* it if he does, so just pay him the amount and we can move on.

I think a campaign owner can kick someone out anytime though he should pay for those posts that are quality enough to be paid. The minimum post per week doesnt match since the user hadnt the chance to post all week.

It sounds a bit strange to decide that there is not enough money to pay all or that one dont want to pay. Since everyone has a contract then the contract has to be changed. It cant be decided onesided because the participant would have taken another signature campaign if he would have known. It would be a break of contract to decide to kick and not to pay. I mean you could have hire 100 posters and decide that 90 of them dont meet your quality after 6 days. Then not pay them. Thats not how it works.

So paying the quality posts and kicking would be the way to go.

That's what's happening, yeah.

So all is fine now or what?
Zorrocoin you got your payment?
Find another signature in the future
Take care next time.

Zorrocoin had shitty post quality and frankly is raising a stink because he thinks he's entitled to payout for his crap posts.

He's not.

2 liners don't get paid, And if you honestly thought your posts were up to snuff you are delusional as you are whiney.

Are this problem solved ?
i have problem too
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11317279#msg11317279

and GreydonIselmoe send me 0.02 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/bbf30b3b5c08cd4b633947fafbd876442c4667d5a6467ef2a4fa7aec96208e3e

Hi all,
Im out of city. Unfortunately, I have very limited internet access. I will be back to city at Sunday night. I think issue is gonna be resolved. Ill try to change the title of the thread.

Sorry in advance if any convenience.

Regards

Zorocoin has been paid 0.0054 BTC to the address used in the signature campaign, and the remaining funds released to GreydonIselmoe.

https://blockchain.info/tx/18a35f823c7aa6ffe20185ce0626010a0c9f26346b342908a5bc32c46609185f