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now you doubled your bitcoin  :P


(i will update when a new version is ready! iam pro fork.)

I'm not running it, because: fuck you

I still don't know what the fuck im going to do about this. Will signature campaign runners pay posters in the new blockchain, or in the old blockchain? You guys are giving me an headache with this.

They are still on the same chain right? I thought at the moment only the clients function a little differently? Or did this change overnight?

You don't have to do anything yet, XT users are still on the existing chain for now.  The fork won't happen until most of the nodes and miners have made the switch.  All transactions are still processed as normal.  If you use an SPV or "lightweight" wallet that doesn't download the entire blockchain, again, there's not much you need to worry about.

Yes same chain, I think their are only marginal differences in the functionality of the client.
However my Bitcoin XT client is not shown in the full node list: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/

Lets see if I can reach Mike to tell us something about.

Silence, troll.  Looking back at your previous posts, you clearly have nothing worthwhile to contribute here.  We don't need more pointless FUD when there's enough of it going around already.

https://www.gldtalk.org/devteam/bitcoinxt.png

We've decided to switch over to the Bitcoin XT fork. Here's the link in case anyone needs it!

Join Gavin here >>> https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases/tag/0.10.1

I am a little confused here, since I am reading contradicting things.
Is the people who is using bitcoin XT on a new chain or not?

This post suggest a hardfork, which is is not scheduled untill much later:

And this post suggest that the XT client, is compatible with core:

So what is the truth here?

Is there a way to track/measure Bitcoin XT as a proportion of the Bitcoin network? Curious as to how this shapes up.

AltCoinGuy is pro-fork for Bitcoin.  Who could have guessed?

So I just had a talk with Mike Hearn. The actual version still does not support any blocksize upgrade in case their will be a hardfork.

An appropriate version of Bitcoin XT supporting an upcoming hardfork will be announced publicly from Mike Hearn.
Newer version of Bitcoin XT will also allow to monitor adoption of XT.

So having switched to the actual XT version yet is only a token gesture.

The fork hasn't happened yet, there is still only 1 chain. Bitcoin xt is just another bitcoin client on the same chain as bitcoin core (at the time of writing). OP made it sound like we have to make the choice now, and we don't need to, yet.

full node > 8 outs no ins  ???
https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#network-configuration

offtopic but I just realized you are legendary now :O I always knew this!! I used to love your gld adverts :D

I'm also switching my node to XT.

First, none of these nodes in the screenshots here are full nodes ;D

Second, you aren't voting in anything. Network and blockchain-wise, Core and XT are exactly the same, for now. XT just has different functionality.

I've already switched mine.  Doubled my bitcoin in five minutes.  If anyone wants to buy BitcoinCore bitcoin, I'll sell them for a discount of $175.  I am also selling the new bitcoin BitcoinXt for $250.  Send me a PM with your address.  I can make the trade today.

Who is 'we'?

lol people are really selling xt coins? they treating it like a shitty altcoin

on another note, i don't have all the stuff for compiling it, there is an exe somewhere? or could someon provide the exe please

Here:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases

https://i.imgur.com/aqwX3T7.png

here we go.) I hope that we will ends up with this XT, Gavin, big blocks and all the stuff.

And so it begins...  See some of you in Litecoin.  Slowly transferring there for the time being..

Care to show addresses of those fantastic doubled Bitcoins? ::)

What is bitcoin xt? Thanks for an answer

Gavin forked Bitcoin.  Now there is bitcoin and bitcoinXT.  bitcoinXT is much better.  Prolly going to the moon. If you want some of the new bitcoin (bitcoinXT) - let me know.  The old bitcoin is going to become worthless - very fast.  It is still good today, but in about a week, you won't be able to get $5 for one BTC

Hey trolls if you're really sure that Bitcoin (BTC) is gonna be lower than 10$ then sell me your bitcoins right now!
I'm paying 11$ each of them! Don't feel sorry when this crash happened ;)
 

Your lies are despicable.

There is no "new" or "old" Bitcoin - and you know it.

Looking forward to buy "Bitcoin Core bitcoins" from you soon, then ;D

nothing is just an upgrade to the client

if this whole thing would have been called "bitcoin core 0.11 version" instead of XT, we would not be here trying to re-order this whole mess

Double bitcoins? I thought all the bitcoins will remain and the transition (in case it really happens) of BitcoinCore to BitcoinXT just adds the bigger blocksize limit and functionality but the bitcoins will remain? Confused here.

even you may think, that this is funny, believe or not but those stupid statements just harming bitcoin itself..

I agree! Such statements are not funny and someone like you should be banned immediately!

Report him.
I did.
That sure sounded like a ploy to get unsuspecting victims to send him BTC to me...

Gavin supported the XT fork but it is not Gavin himself who made the fork. Also, as I understand it, the bitcoins that I have would probably be worthless in case XT was accepted by the majority of the network, but how was this even possible if the coins produced on during Bitcoin Core and the coins that are going to be produced in the Bitcoin-XT runs within the same chain? Different statements regarding XT and core really confuses me now. Can someone shed some light in this one?

Don't freak out!

There is just one chain.  But on that chain, there will be bitcoin and bitcoinXT.  Every coin you have now, will soon be two. If you have 100 BtC now, you'll have 100 BTC and 100BTCXT as soon as the fork takes effect (ie. 90% of miners).  But there will only be one chain.  Sell your BTC now because they will go down in value to nothing.  However, you really lose nothing because BTC XT will stay valuable.  They must assure that everyone holding 100 BTC gets a fair shake - that is why they are giving 100BTCXT.  There isn't going to be two chains.  Just two coins on the same chain.

Get it?

Bitcoin XT to the moon Baby! Because mo bigger blocks is mo better! :)

You got that right!!  NEW BITCOIN to the moon.  Bigger is better.


btw - should we call it 'New Bitcoin' or 'Bitcoin XT'?  I prefer 'New Bitcoin'.

I installed it two days ago to check it out... I uninstalled it last night and now I am back with core. It was misleading, because the github page said you could easily switch between XT or core, but it runs on top of core. So once you install XT, even if you try to launch core you run XT everytime. The only way to run core again is uninstalling bitcoin and reinstalling core.

lol bitcoincore btc for $175 ill take them all!

Gavin hasn't forked Bitcoin. The fork will only happen unless 90% of people are running XT, otherwise there is only one Bitcoin (the one we have now), you can use Core or XT, or any other wallet, it's all still the same.

Obviously nobody doubles Bitcoins out of thin air. Bitcoin Core and XT are the same, network and blockchain-wise, as of now.


Yes, that's how it works, you wither have Core or XT... But their files are compatible between each other. Example: you don't need to resync to start using XT

Is everyone in this thread trolling or are people really that stupid?

I still hope that it is just trolling without any bad intentions, because last threads about XT are just total bullshit..:(

Yes I got it. The one who has the most support from the network will get the upper hand and will be the new fork and chain that we will gonna be in. Anyway, how about the people with only lightweight wallets? How are they gonna be affected by the transition in case it happens?

How does this work?
I have the same bitcoins in bitcoin and in bitcoinxt or how do I move my bitcoins to xt?

As I understand it, you need to download the new client for bitcoin-xt. Still it wouldn't affect your coins that much, it will still be working in one chain. Sooner or later when bitcoin-xt was the most used fork in the block chain, your coins in the bitcoin-xt client would be the valid coins you can use for spending and the older bitcoin core coins would be pretty much useless as it will not be recorded on the chain whether it was spent or not, mainly because the chain that we are following would be bitcoin-xt and not the bitcoin core. (Did I get it right? Correct me if I get some points wrong.)

Sorry - you got it wrong.  There won't be two chains!  There will just be bitcoinCore and bitcoinXT - both on the same chain!.  Ever how many coins you have now, you'll have the same amount of both types.  One will become worthless (bitcoin core) the other will be valuable same as you know it today.

But if you hurry and load bitcoinXT today, you'll double your coins because they will both be worth something for a while longer.  Only the people who wait - don't double their coins.

Anyone want to buy some bitcoinXT - I've got a shitload available.  I sold all the bitcoinCore already (for $195!) - suckers!  Those are going to be worth nothing soon.  Don't wait.

Just read my reply again and I'm pretty sure I haven't stated anything about two different block chains. Seems like you didn't understand my reply. What I'm saying is, when the Bitcoin-XT fork becomes the widely-used version of bitcoin in the whole network, the coins that are in the Bitcoin-Core client couldn't be spend and will be invalid for transactions whereas the Bitcoin-XT coins would be the coins that could be spent and are valid for transactions. Also, reading from different threads, you could still import the privkeys from Bitcoin-Core to Bitcoin-XT and have the same amount of bitcoins. That is what I learned in reading some threads about Bitcoin-XT.

lol....i think the same.....since days dude...  ;D

http://50.97.236.146/fark/XT.jpg

Seriously folks, ignore the FUD.  There is no altcoin.  You cannot double-sell.  There is only one chain.  Installing XT casts your vote for a potential future increase in max block size.  Such a future increase will ONLY occur if/when 95% of mined blocks support it.  

Here's my XT.  I had to compile it under GIMP:

https://i.imgur.com/SPxmzGr.jpg?1

Yup, and that is great. My question is: What happens if 1MB limit is reached, and we still don't have a clear consensus on wallet usages? I guess that, if there are problems once we reach 1MB, Gavin will be proved right and people will insta switch to XT en masse.

From what I understand if the 1mb limit is reached then transactions will take a very long time or not be completed at all.  And so many will trade their bitcoins for fiat or altcoins, and the network should return to normal.  The cost is the price of bitcoin will go down quite a lot.

You got that mostly right. The fork only happens when >95% of the last 1000 blocks mined follow the Bitcoin XT rules.

There are NOT two coins right now. NOR WILL THERE EVER BE TWO COINS OR TWO EQUALLY VALID CHAINS!!!. YOUR COINS WILL NOT DOUBLE!!! It is impossible for two coins to exist on the same chain. You are completely and absolutely wrong. STOP TROLLING!

People are really this stupid. And probably also mega trolls.


If both are the same chain, they are both the same coin. Nobody doubles Bitcoins out of thin air.

You are still in time to correct yourself and search about this topic: there's plenty of information around. No need to spread things that are not true.

Also, thank you for selling your "BitcoinCore coins", leave them for those who truly understand Bitcoin, the blockchain and its implications

Is there a way to see how current percentage of people running xt over core?

Let's see if you are still saying that when bitcoinCore coins are selling for $1 and bitcoinXT are selling for $1000.  Dumbass.

i doubt there is, many are not even running full node, or they just fire it up and close it 2 minutes later

but anyway it should still be a low %, just someone is trying it

In all the nonsense, that is going on in this thread, I have a serious question.

When there would really be 2 forks, every transactions from fork A can easily published to fork B.
So, to prevent a transaction from happening on Fork B, when I put it on fork A. Say sending 1 BTC from address X to address Y, I would have to make a second transaction, sending all my Bitcoin from address X to address Z. Am I right here?

Note several things:

 - Transactions which are re-played are still not accessible without the private key to which outputs are sent.  Lots of transactions are sent to oneself, or could be as needed.

 - Any block reward from a newly mined block is unique to the chain on which is resides.  On one of these threads I've described how as soon as XT produces a block which is illegal by current Core standards, 'XTaint' will be released into the wild.  It can be mixed into transactions (on XT) for fun and profit.  (Same works for Core or any other fork as well of course.)

One weapon of war would be to for one fork to analyze the chains of other forks and integrate certain metadata for use in determining legality and value of outputs.  Weaker forks might try it as an element of asymmetric warfare, but it's not a very long-term solution.  Any fork which employs it is likely to eventually mandate a forced spend and implement certain kinds of color-listing.  And eventualy shrivel and die.

I agree with dothebeats  :)
no tension .... no fear ...... stay calm & cool !!!  ;D

Is this a joke? you do realize that as soon as your XT client sends your coins they will disappear from your normal Bitcoin wallet too right?
Even if you wanted to you can't separate them as the TX's are identical and valid on both chains... and there is only one chain right now.

Later AFTER the hardfork you MIGHT be able to separate them via doublespend attack against yourself, but if things got that far no one would be accepting the old chain anymore.

You should be able to choose your full node server and could choose a BTCore server I guess.

I was somewhat pro 20MB block limits before but I have yet to install Bitcoin XT because I am leery of Centralized Authoritarian Mike Hearn's involvement in all of this. Instead, I have added another 6 new Bitcoin core nodes.

Can I use BitcoinXT with multibit?

and may I ask you, why you didn't read at least basics before posting here?

What about Bitcoin Core implementing BIP 100? Seems like the reasonable to thing to push for now instead of multiple reference clients.

OK, started to panic a bit about this whole fork talk. So I read the whole thread a little more carefully. So what is going on here is that the new client (XT) runs on the same block chain as the old client (core). The XT will just be ready to support the fork if or when it comes. So all that FUD about there is now two type of coins is not true. Since they run on the blockchains is it the same coins bassically. Only after the fork will there be possibility to do the trix with having "double" the coins, but at that time should there be consensus what chain to run, and one will no consensus will just die, since no bitcoin exhange would accept that chain. Right?

Exactly. Although some people and exchanges might still accept the old chain, since it has a significantly lower hashrate but still a high difficulty, the blockchain would become insecure and prone to attacks. This would prompt people to switch to the new chain if they hadn't already.

Well well. It used be that Bitcoin sat on its might throne
calling every other coin a "shitcoin". And now... it's just another
altcoin. No, make that two altcoins  ;D ;D

You know how I can tell you haven't read the thread?

The topic has been demoted to the altcoin section.  Theymos could be against the hard fork?

Or he could be against telling the Chinese miners to go take a hike! :D

That too  ;D

I hope we wont see Bitcoin XT wallets in the future. Either the normal wallet gets updated or bitcoin xt remains an unimportant altcoin.

I can understand why some want to make a point in support of the change but why using a wallet that will be something owned by a company? Do we liberalize Bitcoin so easily?

I have to admit that bitcoin xt have a successful marketing campaign.

It is actually in the alternative CLIENTS section because Bitcoin XT is technically an alternative client, not an altcoin.

Some of the posts on this thread can be qualified as blunt fraud attempt. The poster is asking for a ban.

Whoever did move it didn't leave behind the typical "Moved" post, so we can't see who it was.

But yes, Theymos is very much against a hard fork. For example, he has stated that he will not allow Bitcoin XT to be listed on his bitcoin.org site unless/until the "extremely unlikely event that the vast majority of the Bitcoin economy switches to XT and there is a strong perception that XT is the true Bitcoin (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/894#issuecomment-112213400)".

You said "in about a week" "Bitcoin Core would be $5" whatever that means, and here we are. You also keep thinking there are 2 coins already out there. You are either spreading FUD because you got an agenda, or you just don't get it and should ask about this in the beginners section instead of confusing things up here for anyone trying to get some solid info.

Even got incoming connections spread the luv....
https://i.imgur.com/H42figX.png

You mean this guy?


Being a notorious disinformation junkie with a stylized asshole for an avatar isn't against the rules. :-\

There are enough uncertainties in the room so that nobody can say 100% surely that his fear cant become reality.

His naming though is a different thing.  ::) Though till now no one was banned for bad manners i believe.

Bump.  And...

https://i.imgur.com/TZewKdL.png

C'mon luzers.  Fire up that winstaller and get busy will ya?

Everyone on onion is surely on XT... so you can add another 30 clients to the list ;)

I thought it might be more. Though i dont see it as a valid vote against a raise for the blocksize. I have the feeling only a small majority is not wanting an increase. They want bitcoin to be some high value transaction system and poor people should use some inferiour coin or so. ::)

I haven't even installed it yet, since I hardly ever use Bitcoin Core and I am a lazy person.
But more imprtantly is the "vote" of the miners anyways.

as I mentioned here earlier, I'm already running full XT node (wow, I'm one of the one hundred worldwide these day)

https://i.imgur.com/aqwX3T7.png

anyway, so far it seems quite pointless, even I'm little bit disappointed by core developers and their communication about bitcoin, block size and upcoming changes, I'm about to uninstall it and run core again in order to support something, what's need actually my "support" even more.

I think, that this XT stuff will never happen in the future anyway.. :P :P

What do you want to tell us with this screenshot? It doesn't sync?
Are you aware that you should be able do use your local blockchain from your Bitcoin Core-client and you should also be able to connect to Bitcoin Core-nodes?

Just synced my Bitcoin XT wallet, running a node right now :)

https://i.imgur.com/bna9Dkp.jpg

Here it is:

https://i.imgur.com/SvWZ16N.png

Apart from the fact that nobody knows what these 8 mb blocks will do to the network... a small jump would be much wiser then this...

mind you this will never work