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Title: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Geremia on June 05, 2015, 05:05:01 AM
Does anyone know Satoshi Nakamoto's IP address(es)? The forums he posted on should be able to figure that out. He posted on p2pfoundation.org (http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto), here on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3, and the cryptography mail archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=satoshi%20nakamoto).

(cf. the related Bitcoin StackExchange question (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/37796/4334))


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: ACCTseller on June 05, 2015, 05:16:38 AM
If I had to guess I would say they were most likely that of tor exit nodes. Either that or those of VPN gateways.

I highly doubt that any additional information will come of them.

I would also be somewhat surprised if information about satoshi's IP addresses was leaked as part of the recent hack


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Geremia on June 05, 2015, 06:30:55 AM
I would also be somewhat surprised if information about satoshi's IP addresses was leaked as part of the recent hack
Oh, yes, Michael Marquardt's email from 2015-5-24 did say
Quote
The following information about your account was likely leaked:
 - Email address
 - Password hash
 - Last-used IP address and registration IP address
 - Secret question and a basic (not brute-force-resistant) hash of your
 secret answer
 - Various settings
So, it could be leaked to the public. The forum admin(s) could also release it…


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: RappelzReborn on June 05, 2015, 06:33:54 AM
I would also be somewhat surprised if information about satoshi's IP addresses was leaked as part of the recent hack
Oh, yes, Michael Marquardt's email from 2015-5-24 did say
Quote
The following information about your account was likely leaked:
 - Email address
 - Password hash
 - Last-used IP address and registration IP address
 - Secret question and a basic (not brute-force-resistant) hash of your
 secret answer
 - Various settings
So, it could be leaked to the public. The forum admin(s) could also release it…

Of course not lol , he is not that stupid , he was using ToR for sure .
However that didn't stop the hacker from hacking his P2P Foundation account and getting his IP Adress and I guess he sold it on the Deep-web .
That's what the hacker said on P2P Foundation (he hacked his account on the website too and used it to publish this) :
"Dear Satoshi. Your dox, passwords and IP addresses are being sold on the darknet. Apparently you didn't configure Tor properly and your IP leaked when you used your email account sometime in 2010. You are not safe. You need to get out of where you are as soon as possible before these people harm you. Thank you for inventing Bitcoin."


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: ACCTseller on June 05, 2015, 06:50:31 AM
I would also be somewhat surprised if information about satoshi's IP addresses was leaked as part of the recent hack
Oh, yes, Michael Marquardt's email from 2015-5-24 did say
Quote
The following information about your account was likely leaked:
 - Email address
 - Password hash
 - Last-used IP address and registration IP address
 - Secret question and a basic (not brute-force-resistant) hash of your
 secret answer
 - Various settings
So, it could be leaked to the public. The forum admin(s) could also release it…
I doubt that satoshi's IP addresses were stored in the member tables. His account is disabled/locked, and I would presume that information regarding his account is stored separately from the rest of the accounts.

I know it used to be that if you searched  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search)for members with the term 'satoshi' his profile would not show up, although that appears to have since changed for some reason.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: mr.coinstrader on June 05, 2015, 06:51:12 AM
I would also be somewhat surprised if information about satoshi's IP addresses was leaked as part of the recent hack
Oh, yes, Michael Marquardt's email from 2015-5-24 did say
Quote
The following information about your account was likely leaked:
 - Email address
 - Password hash
 - Last-used IP address and registration IP address
 - Secret question and a basic (not brute-force-resistant) hash of your
 secret answer
 - Various settings
So, it could be leaked to the public. The forum admin(s) could also release it…

Of course not lol , he is not that stupid , he was using ToR for sure .
However that didn't stop the hacker from hacking his P2P Foundation account and getting his IP Adress and I guess he sold it on the Deep-web .
That's what the hacker said on P2P Foundation (he hacked his account on the website too and used it to publish this) :
"Dear Satoshi. Your dox, passwords and IP addresses are being sold on the darknet. Apparently you didn't configure Tor properly and your IP leaked when you used your email account sometime in 2010. You are not safe. You need to get out of where you are as soon as possible before these people harm you. Thank you for inventing Bitcoin."

Even if satoshi's IP address was leaked, ISPs do not keep logs this long to be able to link his identity to his IP address.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: unamis76 on June 05, 2015, 07:37:46 AM
Although information about Satoshi from back then might be really interesting, I don't think it would help trace him now. Whoever sold his information on the deepweb, if they actually sold and it was actually his information, made profit out of useless data :D


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: hilariousandco on June 05, 2015, 08:34:03 AM
I doubt satoshi was dumb enough to not mask his home IP. theymos may have wiped any of that info any way just to be safe.

I would also be somewhat surprised if information about satoshi's IP addresses was leaked as part of the recent hack
Oh, yes, Michael Marquardt's email from 2015-5-24 did say
Quote
The following information about your account was likely leaked:
 - Email address
 - Password hash
 - Last-used IP address and registration IP address
 - Secret question and a basic (not brute-force-resistant) hash of your
 secret answer
 - Various settings
So, it could be leaked to the public. The forum admin(s) could also release it…
I doubt that satoshi's IP addresses were stored in the member tables. His account is disabled/locked, and I would presume that information regarding his account is stored separately from the rest of the accounts.

I know it used to be that if you searched  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search)for members with the term 'satoshi' his profile would not show up, although that appears to have since changed for some reason.

It showed up, it just isn't in the list of members. If you order them by date created it should be first or one of the first but it's not.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 05, 2015, 10:55:00 AM
For what purpose are you interested in obtaining Satoshi's IP addresses?
I don't see why anybody would be interested in this other than for something bad like trying to dox or hack him.
Hope I'm wrong but I just don't know why anybody cares, let him get on with his life, anonymously as he intended.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Moebius327 on June 05, 2015, 11:02:20 AM
Even if there was a time when satoshi leaked his IP I am sure theymos deleted all records related it long before the forum got hacked.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: BadBear on June 05, 2015, 03:46:30 PM
TBH I've actually never looked and don't plan to. I don't know if the IP's are still logged/displayed or not.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Amph on June 05, 2015, 07:51:43 PM
Even if there was a time when satoshi leaked his IP I am sure theymos deleted all records related it long before the forum got hacked.

does theymos also changed his password? because with the last downtime, there is the possibility that his account may have been hacked, it would be problematic


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: newIndia on June 05, 2015, 08:02:30 PM
Does anyone know Satoshi Nakamoto's IP address(es)? The forums he posted on should be able to figure that out. He posted on p2pfoundation.org (http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto), here on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3, and the cryptography mail archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=satoshi%20nakamoto).

(cf. the related Bitcoin StackExchange question (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/37796/4334))

Satoshi was so careful about privacy that he used anonymousspeech to book bitcoin.org, so that there is even no money trail left at him as no domain registrar did accept bitcoin at that time. How do you expect such a private guy not to use Tor from day 1 ?


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Geremia on June 05, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
For what purpose are you interested in obtaining Satoshi's IP addresses?
I'd like to know if he was residing in Japan or elsewhere, but perhaps he was using Tor.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: dogie on June 05, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
TBH I've actually never looked and don't plan to. I don't know if the IP's are still logged/displayed or not.
Maybe the very early stuff was pre logs or before things were set up to today's standards. The later stuff he would undoubtedly have been tor'ing.


For what purpose are you interested in obtaining Satoshi's IP addresses?
I'd like to know if he was residing in Japan or elsewhere, but perhaps he was using Tor.
Well he's not Japanese, that we can pretty sure of.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Geremia on June 05, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
Well he's not Japanese, that we can pretty sure of.
On what are you basing that assertion?


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: dogie on June 05, 2015, 09:07:51 PM
Well he's not Japanese, that we can pretty sure of.
On what are you basing that assertion?
There are plenty of clues but I'll point you towards one. The original client was written in English, and Satoshi actively sought translators to help expand it. Japanese came quite late and required a 3rd party to do the translation. This was still pretty early on and early enough that its unlikely he was playing any triple bluff moves to conceal and plan an exit.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: BitcoinAddicts on June 05, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
Does anyone know Satoshi Nakamoto's IP address(es)? The forums he posted on should be able to figure that out. He posted on p2pfoundation.org (http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto), here on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3, and the cryptography mail archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=satoshi%20nakamoto).

(cf. the related Bitcoin StackExchange question (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/37796/4334))
don't you think the guy who created bitcoin didn't know how to hide himself, he was definitely using TOR or VPN to hide his location and identity.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: spud21 on June 05, 2015, 11:00:35 PM
Does anyone know Satoshi Nakamoto's IP address(es)? The forums he posted on should be able to figure that out. He posted on p2pfoundation.org (http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto), here on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3, and the cryptography mail archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=satoshi%20nakamoto).

(cf. the related Bitcoin StackExchange question (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/37796/4334))
don't you think the guy who created bitcoin didn't know how to hide himself, he was definitely using TOR or VPN to hide his location and identity.

In 2013 theymos said he still had some of the IP addresses Satoshi used, but he thought they were only Tor exit nodes. However, someone said they had read a post by theymos saying he has now removed all Satoshi's logged IP addresses from the forum's database. Since the last rally he might have reconsidered how sensitive they are.

I'll probably release Satoshi's PMs and logged IPs addresses in ~8 years. This'd probably be of great historical interest. (Though he always used Tor, as far as I can tell.)


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: otrkid70 on June 06, 2015, 12:16:32 AM
Satoshi holds an incredible amount of BTC  (UNSPENT).  My theory is that he never thought it would get so valuable and moved to a different comp abandoning his older computer with the Wallet on it.  If you trace the genesis Block and then continue on you will see they are unspent and still remain on those addresses.

I think Satoshi is kicking himself in the ass in hindsight


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: ajareselde on June 06, 2015, 12:40:59 AM
Does anyone know Satoshi Nakamoto's IP address(es)? The forums he posted on should be able to figure that out. He posted on p2pfoundation.org (http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto), here on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3, and the cryptography mail archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=satoshi%20nakamoto).

(cf. the related Bitcoin StackExchange question (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/37796/4334))
don't you think the guy who created bitcoin didn't know how to hide himself, he was definitely using TOR or VPN to hide his location and identity.

7 years back ? I highly doubt he was protecting his IP back then when bitcoin was just an idea, noone was.

Satoshi holds an incredible amount of BTC  (UNSPENT).  My theory is that he never thought it would get so valuable and moved to a different comp abandoning his older computer with the Wallet on it.  If you trace the genesis Block and then continue on you will see they are unspent and still remain on those addresses.
I think Satoshi is kicking himself in the ass in hindsight

If he was just a supporter, then it would be possible, but for someone to abandon clearly a life project, i highly doubt it.
Would sooner thought he doesn't want for it to seam like creator is cashing out, and he's protecting bitcoin reputation.

cheers


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Blazr on June 06, 2015, 02:27:48 AM
7 years back ? I highly doubt he was protecting his IP back then when bitcoin was just an idea, noone was.

Well he most definitely was, he took many precautions to protect his identity. He always used Tor and he registered the domain bitcoin.org with an offshore domain provider (anonymousspeech.com) and paid them with cash in the mail, also did the same for one of his email addresses.


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: Geremia on June 06, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
Well he's not Japanese, that we can pretty sure of.
His P2PFoundation profile (https://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto) says:

Satoshi Nakamoto
40, Male
Japan


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: dogie on June 06, 2015, 09:34:51 AM
Well he's not Japanese, that we can pretty sure of.
His P2PFoundation profile (https://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto) says:

Satoshi Nakamoto
40, Male
Japan

Which doesn't make him Japanese...


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: thebitcoinquiz.com on June 06, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
I found out something here :

https://bitcointalk.org/oldSiteFiles/screen2.png it was found here https://bitcointalk.org/oldSiteFiles/screen2.png

And lol, I thought for a second that I've found satoshi's IP but later on realized that this is just an IP that is generally routed to home network devices  :(


Title: Re: Satoshi's IP address(es)?
Post by: dothebeats on June 06, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
Well he's not Japanese, that we can pretty sure of.
On what are you basing that assertion?

Judging from the language which the client was, I can fairly say that Satoshi Nakamoto is not a native of Japanese but just used the pseudonym so as to conceal his true identities. Also, he asked people if they can translate the client into different languages, and if Satoshi was a native speaker of Niponggo, then he would probably do the translation himself. Also if you can read his posts in this forum and other websites, his proficiency in English is outstanding and is very profound (and if you note the time of his activities in his forum, he may be living somewhere in UTC +0, British maybe? Or just having a strict sleeping routine).