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Would it matter to you if bitcoin was created by an evil entity? Would you have ever used it?

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Don't know who Charles Manson is?? Well then substitute the evil person of your choice..

Here are some popular evil choices..

Hitler
Saddamn Hussein
George Bush
Satan
Stalin
Osama Bin Laden
Pol Pot
Mao Zedong
CIA


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I am not sure if Satan comes in group of people you listed there. Satan is more in line of God, Little red riding hood, Thor , Spock.

So your question is, would we be upset if bitcoin was created by someone evil who died, years, decades or centuries ago (ex-CIA)? No, it would not upset me. I'd be more fascinated by the fact that these people had come back to life!

IF someone notoriously evil did create bitcoin, it would likely improve the popular opinion of that person. It could be seen as a redemption move, they're giving back to the world in a positive way.

My personal belief is Bitcoin by itself is good. Keep that in mind.

Did you know that Bitcoin may be predicted in the bible? Some Christians may believe Bitcoin to lead to the mark of the beast:

Revelation 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

There is a man who injected himself so he can walk around with his wallet inside his hands:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/11/man-has-nfc-chips-injected-into-his-hands-to-store-cold-bitcoin-wallet/

"....For the last 10 days, Martijn Wismeijer, a Dutch entrepreneur and Bitcoin enthusiast, has lived with an NFC chip embedded in each hand. One has data that he’s constantly overwriting; he can put his contact details in simply by having another person scan his hand with an NFC-enabled phone. But the other contains the encrypted private key to his wallet....."

If that was the case, the world would have to accept Bitcoin as a global currency, and also FORCE people to use it over any other currency and get the mark. That would still be quite a while off.

It would be irrelevant if an evil entity was responsible for creating Bitcoin... I assume that if he was evil, he became the opposite while creating Bitcoin.

Independently of who or how was the person who created it, the idea is out, and will live on... So even Satoshi himself is quite irrelevant at this point (although I'd love to know who he is, obviously)

Why would an "evil" entity create something that directly challenges "evil" entities (Banks)? Are the two evils battling each other? What if the banks made it and they pretend to be against it and then slowly accept it all the while they hold 1 million coins. That would be the crime of the century if that were the case.

I doubt Hitler/Stalin and most of the list could be alive when BTC was invented, even doubt computers were invented. Btw George Bosh is an idiot IMO rather than an evil mastermind, the word "mind" doesn't fit with him...

and why would that seriously matter? some people using BTC's for bad things would exist if it was invented by a good or a bad person.

Whoever this "evil" may be, I should thank him for giving an eye-opener to the things that are really happening around me and possibly saving me from another evil entity/ies (banks, financial institutions, and possibly the government). It wouldn't change a thing--at least for me--because I really like the idea of being your own bank, anonymous-like transactions, no authoritative control, and low processing fees.

Man, the lack of common sense in this thread... Makes me more pessimistic everyday.

The POINT of the OP is to say if bitcoin was created by an evil entity... it isn't about whether the people in his examples are alive or not. Seriously, what's wrong with you people.

And the answer is, no, it wouldn't matter. The product is completely open source, anyone with enough knowledge can scrutinize it and see if there's anything hidden. Since there isn't, bitcoin itself isn't evil. It doesn't matter who created it, what's important is whether bitcoin itself is intrinsically "evil", and it isn't.

It's like for example, so many bitcoin supporters are idiots. But that doesn't make bitcoin stupid or only for stupid people.

What if satoshi was made of cheese?

Agree.
Most of the dark age scientists like. f. eks Newton and Leonardo da Vinci were christian. It dosn't really matter if they belived in rubbish like that. Their theories were still brilliant. Same with bitcoin. The theory is sound. What the mind behind it believed dosn't matter

It wouldn't be the first good thing created by a evil man.

Actually that is a great idea lol.  A subforum for all of this nonsense would reduce quite a lot of clutter.  But somehow I am a sucker for Satoshi threads.

If Satoshi was evil then I would not have gotten into bitcoins, but if I found out now then I would stay in.  At this point it would be too late for everyone to get out plus there is a lot of good coming from bitcoins.  Just because the creator was evil does not have to define all of cryptos.  

I'm so interested with this reply, and never imagined about that before. But I'm not sure to believe the thing that was told in Rev 16 is bitcoin. And so I can't find the 666 number in bitcoin.

I think it is incredibly unlikely that Satoshi is someone famous or someone that we have heard of before.  In fact I am leaning towards the "group of people" theory at this point.

Whoever behind this, It does something good. So i support and use without worrying about the one who created it.

This is the theory:

The number is the mark of the beast. And really, the idea is someone (the antichrist or beast) will require people to have this mark, in this theory, the mark will be your private key, in the form of something in your hand, as seen above in the picture.

The beast is seen by it's number 666, not the mark. Bitcoin would be a tool, the private key in hand would be the mark, not the actual problem. Except you shouldn't have the mark on your body. Using private keys not forced on your body would be ok, in this instance, I believe. There is nothing wrong with money. Bitcoin would not be considered evil.

It's just that it would be the tool, used to unite the world (the deceiver will come to unite the world together like New World Order, on the other hand Jesus will be coming to divide the believers from the evil anti-christ and anti-christ followers, the deceived).

It's a sign to find out who the beast is. Whoever would require people to use the mark on their body to sell or buy (and there would presumably be no goods for sale, without the use of the mark to buy, leading to black markets where you can buy without actually having the mark).

If you believe this, it's easy to believe Bitcoin will become huge. It would only start to be a problem if people were forced to be associated with their private keys into their bodies.

Edit: It may be that the mark when put into the body, will be combined with something else, like multisig addresses, where the other part needed to be used to withdraw funds will be the name of the beast or the number of the beast.

Charles Manson is too insane after so many years of being in jail (he came in half insane, now fully). He's too busy banging his young gf too.
I think Gmaxwell and Gavin have way higher chances at being Satoshi than any of the wild guesses of this nature.

This is called ad hominem argument, saying some argument or theory or theorem or whatever is bad or false because the creator is bad or mad.

Bitcoin is math, and as math it must be judged by itself, and has nothing to do with whoever created it

I think Satoshi is still an active member of this forum and just changed his name. That means I'd still use Bitcoin even if Satoshi was a scammer or a lunatic because you're all scammers and lunatics. I say that with lots of love though. lol

Everyone on OP's list is either; dead, incarcerated, fiction, or too idiotic to actually have developed Bitcoin(Of course the OP is just sarcastic). But, to answer the question, no it wouldn't matter the person(s) behind the name, what matters is that the product at a protocol level is decentralized, so Satoshi could be {insert name(s)} and it wouldn't matter as he/she/they have no control over Bitcoin.

Yes please this. Save me from another Satoshi thread.

Not unless he's a lurker; there are only a handful of reasonable posters left. It would be a short list.


Szatoshi threads. Szatoshi threads everywhere!!

<---- Doesn't he look like a happy multi billionaire?

Would I be pissed off... Yes. Would I stop using it?... No.

There are many people or groups of people, who did things, which we did not agree with and they still caused a ripple in the pond.

You took Hitler as a example. {I am not saying what he did was right in any way} In the 2cnd world war, Coca cola could not be distributed to many countries, who were at war, so they created their own popular
alternative fizzy drink.... It is now known as "Fanta" or Orange flavored soda. {This is a bad example, but it's something, that has come from something evil}

It is also rumoured that many groundbreaking medical procedures and medicine, has been developed through experiments that has been done on people in concentration camps. {This is in NO way justified, but we still knowingly or unknowingly use these medicine and procedures}   

Yeah, that's a pretty bad example but if you want a WWII example I'll hook you up. Josef Mengele, also known as the Angel of Death, performed a multitude of savage experiments on men, women and lots of children. There is no way any civilized society would have allowed his brand of savagery; however, his experiments quite possibly advanced modern medicine by 50 years. Following is a list of the things he experimented on.

Experiments on twins
Bone, muscle, and nerve transplantation experiments
Head injury experiments
Freezing experiments
Malaria experiments
Immunization experiments
Mustard gas experiments
Sulfonamide experiments
Sea water experiments
Sterilization experiments
Experiments with poison
Incendiary bomb experiments
High altitude experiments

If it is proven that Charles Manson is the creator of Bitcoin, then for me it will not make any difference. But it will be quite an achievement for him, to create a crypto-currency while being imprisoned at the California State Prison in Corcoran.  ;D


Josef Mengele was a monster and devil incarnate. His experiments had no medical value at all. He was more interested in torturing his victims, than finding any medicinal cure to any of the diseases or syndromes which are effecting the human kind.

If Charles Manson is bitcoin creator, maybe he will be a hero for us. But, I'm not sure about him and still want to know who the real is .

go read about what the japanese done to the chinese and these don't seem that bad. Yet they got away with it completely by giving the data to the US. With all the chinese victims, I don't think China got any of the experiment data.

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Ain't war hell!

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Anyone that runs is a VC. Anyone that stands still is a well disciplined VC.
How can you kill women and children? You just don't lead em so much.

Say what? lol

I wouldn't call Manson a hero if he made bitcoin, I'd still support it even if he did but it would make convincing my friends and family to invest in it just a little bit harder (not much more though...). Think we've already got enough loons and psychos on this forum :)

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Gosh...
I've always thought that the man in this animated gif was some brilliant actor performing his sketch in a theatre...  :o

What if Satoshi was revealed to be Jibbers Crabst, our barnacled Lord and Savior?

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Mmm, I hope he comes with butter.

If bitcoin is created by something evil the it's the government, not a single individual. Would make sense also, first the get you hooked on TOR, then the spice it up with bitcoin..
But what would be the agenda behind this, you don't put bullets in your opponents gun ..

There is hardly any chance for that. Right now, Bitcoin is one of the most powerful tools which can be used against the centralized governemnt. And why should the government create something which can be used against it? I am not sure whether Bitcoin was created by a single individual or a group of them. But definitely, it was not the government.

Or it's one of the best tools the governments ever had. What if the government put a microchip on money that created a ledger showing every exchange of every penny between individuals. That would be a pretty amazing tool wouldn't it?

Read this, it's actually pretty cool how far Bitcoin Forensics has come is such a short time: http://fc14.ifca.ai/papers/fc14_submission_11.pdf

This makes me think of the <Pinky and the Brain> animated series, where the brain wanted to rule the world.
We would never know, but some underground organization might be behind it.
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati had a hand in the fiat system, and they are brilliant and very clever people. Why not Crypto currencies? Where is the Kill SWITCH?

Voted for No. Well, I dont know who is Charles Manson. So I take it as it is Hitler. If it is revealed that Satoshi Nakamoto was Hitler (say.. he is still alive), I dont think the public will change their option toward Bitcoin. Unless Hitler came back to develop Bitcoin, that is another story.

LOL
It's okay if you don't call him a hero, even you had bitcoins from him. Anyways, it's just a speculation and no chance to him as a creator. I think the creator looks like Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, or other genius men maybe  :D

In his very own way he actually does ...

You can't judge a person's whole life based on bad things they have done. Even Hitler, being the moster he was, was still a talented painter. Does that mean his paintings are bad*; ofc not.
Same thing here ; It's not important who created bitcoin; it never was.

cheers

But it could be one day.

Thinking long term here.

I've thought about it a bit since I wrote last, and I think it would have to be a multi-sig key in the body (where one private key needed is from the beast, or has the number 666 involved). Also one key could maybe need a dna sample or something (which is why it would be in the body) to prove you're the one true owner.

The only way I can see this happening (in this theory) is that when the anti-christ comes, he would try to unite the world with world peace, ending all all wars, and moving to a currency that is used everywhere. Yes, there would have to be centralization, and not just a government centralizing it, but a world-government, like the UN. Sounds good to some people, I'm sure, world peace. But for Christians, it's about separation at the end. You aren't supposed to worship any God but the true God, and to say you won't worship the anti-christ will get you killed. That's not true world peace. According to Revelations, they would be forced to take the mark or else it would be impossible to buy food.

At some point, when Revelation comes to pass, there will be one common currency and you will need to prove you have the mark (which could be a second private key) and then people would be forced to not accept it without that second key. Cryptocurrency seems like a good fit. Maybe it wouldn't be Bitcoin, but a new altcoin with required multi-sig addresses.