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Title: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Carinioso on June 30, 2015, 03:51:41 PM This individual scammed me for $20. He contacted me via pm whey I put up a request for a 1 year account for
abcmouse.com The transaction was through PayPal and the PayPal address he gave me was DavieT@gmx.de Warning do not deal with this individual he is going to scammed you just like he did to me. Any suggestions please help Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: jeanne0012 on June 30, 2015, 03:58:33 PM This individual scammed me for $20. He contacted me via pm whey I put up a request for a 1 year account for I can visit https://www.abcmouse.com! What did you buy from him? Domain or host? I can see the website is all right! So what is the problem?abcmouse.com The transaction was through PayPal and the PayPal address he gave me was DavieT@gmx.de Warning do not deal with this individual he is going to scammed you just like he did to me. Any suggestions please help Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: kralle on June 30, 2015, 04:10:32 PM You face,your ass what's the diffrence
Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Tomatocage on June 30, 2015, 04:14:55 PM You wasted a 2012 account for like $25? ROFL
Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: MarkMJ on June 30, 2015, 04:43:48 PM Hello
Simply make dispute to paypal and you told them that you got scammed by DavieT@gmx.de If you don't win you can pm me Waiting reply from you. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: kralle on June 30, 2015, 05:19:02 PM You wasted a 2012 account for like $25? ROFL Actually no I scammed around 1300 USD lol Other claims maybe following Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Carinioso on June 30, 2015, 05:41:37 PM He was getting a 1 year account for me from abcmouse.com
Which is like a tutor for my toddler to learn. I already notified PayPal and put in a claim. Waiting on resolution. Thanks everyone for your support. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Twipple on June 30, 2015, 06:08:13 PM You wasted a 2012 account for like $25? ROFL There are people who are selling newbie and jr member accounts from 2011 for as little as 0.005. I doubt these people care the value of the account due to the age. There is also another scam accusation here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103680 Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Fullbuster on June 30, 2015, 06:18:51 PM what a cocky, FBI loves to deal with bitcion issues right?
Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: subSTRATA on June 30, 2015, 07:45:51 PM wow hopefully get your money back through paypal good luck he should; paypal disputes like this should go in favor of OP 99% of the time. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: techgeek on June 30, 2015, 08:30:17 PM you can see several threads above you that theres another case, that already handled for his account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103680.0
but not the $5 loss though, but most of those disputes can be easily won if you explain on the phone. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Carinioso on June 30, 2015, 08:32:32 PM Thank you everyone. I joined this forum to make my dollar stretch but now I see I have to be-carefuldealing here.
Thanks again and I'll update once PayPal resolves my case. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: el kaka22 on July 01, 2015, 03:11:31 AM He alwayd asked me to give him a trust after he gives me a loan.
Below are the 2 PMs that he give me: !!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!! Please provide me a feedback for the loan :-) The for repayment I've just left him a neutral feedback regarding this.Pls leave a feedback to me Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: MarkMJ on July 01, 2015, 04:23:43 AM Thank you everyone. I joined this forum to make my dollar stretch but now I see I have to be-carefuldealing here. Thanks again and I'll update once PayPal resolves my case. Hello Next time be more carfuly Stop dealing with pp if you don't know how is work You will lose a lots of money Take care. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Quickseller on July 01, 2015, 06:30:01 AM You wasted a 2012 account for like $25? ROFL Actually no I scammed around 1300 USD lol Other claims maybe following Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: everaja on July 01, 2015, 08:13:12 AM He is typical scammer , scammed me about 8$ , never trade new members
here is another thread showing his scam : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103680.0 Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: everaja on July 01, 2015, 08:17:12 AM Hello I am also scammed by this person worth 8 $ , what can you do for me , let me know as you told the OP Simply make dispute to paypal and you told them that you got scammed by DavieT@gmx.de If you don't win you can pm me Waiting reply from you. Quote from: MarkMJ If you don't win you can pm me Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: hilariousandco on July 01, 2015, 09:02:18 AM You wasted a 2012 account for like $25? ROFL Actually no I scammed around 1300 USD lol Other claims maybe following I'm sure he's just bluffing and trying to make out he's a bigger and better scammer than he actually is. He's small time just grabbing whatever piddly amounts he can probably just for the kicks. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: vennali on July 01, 2015, 09:34:19 AM You wasted a 2012 account for like $25? ROFL Actually no I scammed around 1300 USD lol Other claims maybe following I'm sure he's just bluffing and trying to make out he's a bigger and better scammer than he actually is. He's small time just grabbing whatever piddly amounts he can probably just for the kicks. I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: hilariousandco on July 01, 2015, 09:39:42 AM I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Who were the vouches? Could be alts. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: everaja on July 01, 2015, 11:09:58 AM Alert !!
A new Account recently bubbling with my name~~ slightly copied have a look at his profile , most probably alt of Kralle I just saw one thread in recent posts and i saw it was started by me(everaja), i thought i got hacked but once i paid attention to name and found it was trying to copy my name with "everajaz" , probably alt of Kralle. i think BadBear should ban him "Premaban" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=527703 Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: --Encrypted-- on July 01, 2015, 11:28:29 AM I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Who were the vouches? Could be alts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693270#msg11693270 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11701032#msg11701032 both are full member and 1 have green trust. I don't think they're his alts. btw I know there's two users with very similar username as DavieT (DavieT@gmx.de). Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: vennali on July 01, 2015, 07:39:14 PM I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Who were the vouches? Could be alts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693270#msg11693270 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11701032#msg11701032 both are full member and 1 have green trust. I don't think they're his alts. btw I know there's two users with very similar username as DavieT (DavieT@gmx.de). Yes those 2. I edited my post after they made sure the seedbox he was selling was legit. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: subSTRATA on July 02, 2015, 12:35:45 AM I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Who were the vouches? Could be alts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693270#msg11693270 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11701032#msg11701032 both are full member and 1 have green trust. I don't think they're his alts. btw I know there's two users with very similar username as DavieT (DavieT@gmx.de). if youre referring to user DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) he has 1 other known alt: Hello its btcblogger Sorry for delay I was out of town so unable to contact anyone. Yeah this is payment address - 1ACggpLdFH9twhePpTvLwacCYh93taQZMiI will send password of this account to him with his 703.63 doge minus fee to him after getting my 0.001 BTC with interest. Thanks Inform me after sending 0.001 BTC with interest. Thanks Hi There BTCBLOGGER, This is my Second Account from DavieT1337. I missed u since Saturday bro :'( But no matter, now we can trade Back. Could u please send me my Account Details First via PM. I will send u after ure Loan back and then u can send me the Doge. Thanks for not scamming and comming Back. regards lama-hunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277 Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: --Encrypted-- on July 02, 2015, 06:13:24 AM long post yes, DavieT1337 and DavieT 1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=526295). didn't know about lama-hunter. tho the only thing that links them with kralle is the name of that email. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Grand_Voyageur on July 02, 2015, 08:46:27 AM I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Who were the vouches? Could be alts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693270#msg11693270 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11701032#msg11701032 both are full member and 1 have green trust. I don't think they're his alts. btw I know there's two users with very similar username as DavieT (DavieT@gmx.de). if youre referring to user DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) he has 1 other known alt: Hello its btcblogger Sorry for delay I was out of town so unable to contact anyone. Yeah this is payment address - 1ACggpLdFH9twhePpTvLwacCYh93taQZMiI will send password of this account to him with his 703.63 doge minus fee to him after getting my 0.001 BTC with interest. Thanks Inform me after sending 0.001 BTC with interest. Thanks Hi There BTCBLOGGER, This is my Second Account from DavieT1337. I missed u since Saturday bro :'( But no matter, now we can trade Back. Could u please send me my Account Details First via PM. I will send u after ure Loan back and then u can send me the Doge. Thanks for not scamming and comming Back. regards lama-hunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277 Both DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) and lama-hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277) were leaving each other fictious +ve trust feedbacks Feedbacks on DavieT1337 trust page: http://gyazo.com/cd0e73ec0417e8962bbf9e1e9dc57e80 Feedbacks on lama-hunter trust page: http://gyazo.com/6cc1ea584f075c01b4c7c93bf0a79414 Roughly 3 weeks ago, DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) went straight out of the Newbie mode right into requesting a large (0.5BTC) loan, without a valid collateral. Loan Amount : 0.5 Then on June, 28th DavieT1337 exchanged fake +ve feedbacks between his alt-accounts (DavieT1337 & lama-hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277)) & on the same day DavieT1337 exchanged +ve trust feedbacks with BTCBLOGGER (uid: 403194) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=403194), an user who got multiple -ve trust feedbacks for promoting Ponzi scams, for blackmail/extort to have a Trust rating removed, etc.Reason : Investment in Mining BTC Address : 1A7EWrfkQWbBiz9b4TE6HUs3Xyrrn7cnk8 Term Length : max of 24 days -- Daily Income about 0.03 To me it's enough to be convinced of DavieT1337 & all of his known alts being scammer accounts, so deserving also a -ve trust feedback. I don't know if BTCBLOGGER too is an alt-account of both DavieT1337 and lama-hunter; however, the lack of public evidence about the loan tx (no TxID has been published) make me believe they may be alts of the same person or multiple scammers cooperating to scam better. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: everaja on July 02, 2015, 09:01:41 AM LOL .. :)
its too funny to notice that the thread tittle is "Scammed report on user kralle" and now the essence of thread has taken a right turn towards I actually did post on his thread a few days back, that he was likely a scammer and was trying to gather small amounts from multiple people to pull off a larger scam. However I edited my post later after he sent me a message. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693111#msg11693111 But based on how he was replying or evading important questions and was asking money first and doing a delay in delivering I was almost certain about him being a scammer. Later I saw some other people vouch for him, which is also another reason I edited my post Who were the vouches? Could be alts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11693270#msg11693270 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1095602.msg11701032#msg11701032 both are full member and 1 have green trust. I don't think they're his alts. btw I know there's two users with very similar username as DavieT (DavieT@gmx.de). if youre referring to user DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) he has 1 other known alt: Hello its btcblogger Sorry for delay I was out of town so unable to contact anyone. Yeah this is payment address - 1ACggpLdFH9twhePpTvLwacCYh93taQZMiI will send password of this account to him with his 703.63 doge minus fee to him after getting my 0.001 BTC with interest. Thanks Inform me after sending 0.001 BTC with interest. Thanks Hi There BTCBLOGGER, This is my Second Account from DavieT1337. I missed u since Saturday bro :'( But no matter, now we can trade Back. Could u please send me my Account Details First via PM. I will send u after ure Loan back and then u can send me the Doge. Thanks for not scamming and comming Back. regards lama-hunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277 Both DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) and lama-hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277) were leaving each other fictious +ve trust feedbacks Feedbacks on DavieT1337 trust page: http://gyazo.com/cd0e73ec0417e8962bbf9e1e9dc57e80 Feedbacks on lama-hunter trust page: http://gyazo.com/6cc1ea584f075c01b4c7c93bf0a79414 Roughly 3 weeks ago, DavieT1337 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509778) went straight out of the Newbie mode right into requesting a large (0.5BTC) loan, without a valid collateral. Loan Amount : 0.5 Then on June, 28th DavieT1337 exchanged fake +ve feedbacks between his alt-accounts (DavieT1337 & lama-hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=524277)) & on the same day DavieT1337 exchanged +ve trust feedbacks with BTCBLOGGER (uid: 403194) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=403194), an user who got multiple -ve trust feedbacks for promoting Ponzi scams, for blackmail/extort to have a Trust rating removed, etc.Reason : Investment in Mining BTC Address : 1A7EWrfkQWbBiz9b4TE6HUs3Xyrrn7cnk8 Term Length : max of 24 days -- Daily Income about 0.03 To me it's enough to be convinced of DavieT1337 & all of his known alts being scammer accounts, so deserving also a -ve trust feedback. I don't know if BTCBLOGGER too is an alt-account of both DavieT1337 and lama-hunter; however, the lack of public evidence about the loan tx (no TxID has been published) make me believe they may be alts of the same person or multiple scammers cooperating to scam better. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Grand_Voyageur on July 02, 2015, 09:20:09 AM LOL .. :) its too funny to notice that the thread tittle is "Scammed report on user kralle" and now the essence of thread has taken a right turn towards =omissis= (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1104444.msg11770449#msg11770449). It's not funny...scammers just use multiple accounts to create themselves a trustable image to allow their scams to succeed. Also, they make errors and allow people to track them by connecting dots between their multiple identities and/or accomplices. Kralle could just be one of them if evidence link it also to DavieT1337/lama-hunter alt-accounts. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: MarkMJ on July 05, 2015, 06:27:24 PM Hello I am also scammed by this person worth 8 $ , what can you do for me , let me know as you told the OP Simply make dispute to paypal and you told them that you got scammed by DavieT@gmx.de If you don't win you can pm me Waiting reply from you. Quote from: MarkMJ If you don't win you can pm me Hello If you still have problem via pp you can pm me Explain in your pm the situation about the dispute Waiting pm. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Carinioso on July 05, 2015, 07:47:53 PM Hi all just wanted to let you know I won the PayPal dispute and got my money back
Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: erikalui on July 05, 2015, 09:38:03 PM I knew that this member was a scammer. He wanted to deal with me sometime back and I asked him to use MZ as an escrow but he refused saying that MZ has negative feedback and he then suggested to use localbitcoins to trade with him. Anyone who refuses to use escrow here should be avoided This user has a pretty old account but it seems the account is a bought one.
Edit: Glad you got your money back :) Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: MarkMJ on July 07, 2015, 06:33:31 AM Hi all just wanted to let you know I won the PayPal dispute and got my money back Nice news from you Now you can close this thread Only the best. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: ajareselde on July 07, 2015, 07:24:06 AM Hi all just wanted to let you know I won the PayPal dispute and got my money back Glad to hear that! Do u mind sharing with us on what statement did you receive the dispute, because i heard that a lot of people didn't get credited reimburstment when mentioning bitcoin in their dispute claim. What is the safest way one could make to win the dispute if it's bitcoin related ? cheers Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Twipple on July 08, 2015, 03:51:52 PM Hi all just wanted to let you know I won the PayPal dispute and got my money back Glad to hear that! Do u mind sharing with us on what statement did you receive the dispute, because i heard that a lot of people didn't get credited reimburstment when mentioning bitcoin in their dispute claim. What is the safest way one could make to win the dispute if it's bitcoin related ? cheers Best to just say that a deal happened for a physical product , and not mention bitcoin . I believe even if you were to mention a digital product or bitcoin, then the person sending the funds would usually win the dispute as they don't entertain dispute requests for those. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: qory on September 24, 2015, 10:27:10 AM Probable alt of kralle
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=554223 idyu's address : 1381RPP5NAagmky8fgnkiRXQpsxZrQTEVN posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179548.msg12410891#msg12410891) kralle's address ( Primedice deposit address ) : 14wtaLSmvAkvhXBNur4koQ3S81rLa7xyEM posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1100790.msg11718559#msg11718559) User idyu used 1381RPP5NAagmky8fgnkiRXQpsxZrQTEVN to deposit to kralle's deposit address in PD 5 times ( on september 12 and 13 ). https://blockchain.info/address/1381RPP5NAagmky8fgnkiRXQpsxZrQTEVN Please take a look this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1189148.0) User Jakez bought $233 skrill from idyu for 0.875 BTC I think Jakez sent the payment to 14wtaLSmvAkvhXBNur4koQ3S81rLa7xyEM https://blockchain.info/tx/f724b62ff1cd672875052ae91ccd48376af1035ea8cd0d0dbf42baec8d5b2bcc Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: everaja on September 24, 2015, 10:34:24 AM Probable alt of kralle Good Work man..https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=554223 idyu's address : 1381RPP5NAagmky8fgnkiRXQpsxZrQTEVN posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1179548.msg12410891#msg12410891) kralle's address ( Primedice deposit address ) : 14wtaLSmvAkvhXBNur4koQ3S81rLa7xyEM posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1100790.msg11718559#msg11718559) User idyu used 1381RPP5NAagmky8fgnkiRXQpsxZrQTEVN to deposit to kralle's deposit address in PD 5 times ( on september 12 and 13 ). https://blockchain.info/address/1381RPP5NAagmky8fgnkiRXQpsxZrQTEVN Please take a look this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1189148.0) User Jakez bought $233 skrill from idyu for 0.875 BTC I think Jakez sent the payment to 14wtaLSmvAkvhXBNur4koQ3S81rLa7xyEM https://blockchain.info/tx/f724b62ff1cd672875052ae91ccd48376af1035ea8cd0d0dbf42baec8d5b2bcc I have left a Negative feedback to him , in case if he can convince me i would again think upon it. I guess they are not using Wallets like xapo or coinbase. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: idyu on September 24, 2015, 10:58:09 AM Whats this shit ? i sold some bitcoins to a user on coinbase and now i get - rep wtf is going on here !?
Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: everaja on September 24, 2015, 11:07:08 AM Whats this shit ? i sold some bitcoins to a user on coinbase and now i get - rep wtf is going on here !? you can always check the Reference Link on Your Profile , This shows why you got that negative Feedback ! Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: qory on September 24, 2015, 11:13:29 AM Whats this shit ? i sold some bitcoins to a user on coinbase and now i get - rep wtf is going on here !? I'm sure you are alt of kralle.If Jakez didn't send to your deposit address directly , I thought he sent the payment to 1fiEfEK9rho19VJEsdBcZsF7FqbHk5W4C and then you sent it to your PD deposit address. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: idyu on September 24, 2015, 11:27:52 AM Whats this shit ? i sold some bitcoins to a user on coinbase and now i get - rep wtf is going on here !? I'm sure you are alt of kralle.If Jakez didn't send to your deposit address directly , I thought he sent the payment to 1fiEfEK9rho19VJEsdBcZsF7FqbHk5W4C and then you sent it to your PD deposit address. I SOLD btc to someones wallet never mind think what you need, my mind is clean i am not kralle or whatever this is! Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: Jakez on September 24, 2015, 01:08:20 PM Whats this shit ? i sold some bitcoins to a user on coinbase and now i get - rep wtf is going on here !? I'm sure you are alt of kralle.If Jakez didn't send to your deposit address directly , I thought he sent the payment to 1fiEfEK9rho19VJEsdBcZsF7FqbHk5W4C and then you sent it to your PD deposit address. Title: Re: Scammed report on user kralle Post by: idyu on September 24, 2015, 01:11:05 PM This forum is a very funny place, i am not kralle i can just repeat it my mind is very clear i bought coins from jakez and after i forwarded it to some guy from coinbase to i can get money to my bank i know it's a strange way but it's quicker than skrill -> bank
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