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I came across this on the lending section is this accusation valid?

Yes because I don't think someone would withdraw their bet amount to another person's address. Hexcoin already withdraw bet amount to yenzae0215's address more than one time.

I can't think how this could be possible besides Hexcoin being an alt of yenzae0215, however I'd like to read his argument. I've left negative trust until then.
I guess defaulting those BTC0.05 was very expensive for him!

Edit: Considering yenzae0215's address belongs to an exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975540.msg10651526#msg10651526) and the lender's address has several TX (https://insight.bitpay.com/address/1Khe56BLQTn9MnRiLiKKMfsdKJ4AgGep7S) I think more information is required. I've updated my feedback to neutral for the moment.

Defaulting that amount could be easy since he's offering a loan service. Someone should probably pm him about this thread so he can speak for his side.

I guess its a good bye to the bought sr. member account to him.. Karma is such a bitch  ;)

Definite scam alt coin. Avoid it, it will give you a hex  ::)
Same as Paxum

the owner of this address 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 is my cousin/close friend

i have my own address which is 191xqivuaVerBts5Q3rWg28qhvaDX3PjeE why would i place a bet to directbet and use another recieving address that based on reading this whole thread is 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 is from an exchange. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975540.msg10651526#msg10651526 )

i know that the address my cousin is using is from exchange which is coins.ph i can give my account's username and password there to any very trusted member here for the verification of my account in coins.ph

my friend always do bet on sports but when he is at work or somewhere else, he always do contact me to place a bet for him and he will pay me when he got home (just in case the bet loses)

(i can post proofs of us having conversation via text message if anyone likes to see it)

@qory pls move this to scam accusation thread so we can have clean thread instead of using this loan thread of yenzae0215

EDIT: if this will help


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1098243.msg11715935#msg11715935

this 2 loans i taken have no collateral too and i didn't even scam a little amount like what yenzae0215 did

sample bet ID that i use to recieve my winning to my real address 191xqivuaVerBts5Q3rWg28qhvaDX3PjeE

http://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1FMnFj95LNDf4f8jzzhJANBGkmnzrLm238

Check the quality of posts too. you can clearly say his (yenzae0215) posts quality is way different than mine. if you guys have any more questions pls feel free to ask it here or send me a PM so i can answer it as quickly as possible.

Probably accessing your account wouldn't help too much because having an account doesn't prove you don't have the other. What could help is asking your cousin to grant a very trusted member here temporary access to his coins.ph account to which  12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 is attached.  The objective would be to check whether this is a recycled address. It should include the deposits from DirectBet in June/July but not the loan and other yenzae0215's TXs in March.
This would work only if coins.ph stores a big history of transactions. I don't know if that's the case.

i understand i can't provide proof that he owns that address. i will try to ask him if he can give us access to his coins.ph account for a short time so we can check some transactions on it but im not sure if i can have his account to show you guys. hope you know the reason.

do you have any other suggestion on how i can verify he owns 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 addy?



EDIT: if there is no other way for me to prove that i am not yenzae0215, i guess i have no choice but to pay yenzae0215's debt? am i right?

This is his last text yesterday before the bet that i placed for him in directbet

http://imgur.com/SFL8o2e
http://imgur.com/SFL8o2e

Can someone pls translate this for transparency.

You can translated yourself but anyway
Is philippine
"I bet you been bro worth 100php pay later home, I lost"
So this thicket is not a winner.

In English this translate to:

Dont use google translate. XD

This one below is better, i didn't translate it myself, i want other users to translate it tgemselves for transparency

Pls read the whole thread before posting, yenzae0215 is my cousin

I have changed it to neutral for now.


You are so close. Why don't you ask him? Is he a kid? If yes, contact his parents.

I'm working now , don't have much time on this forum during ramadhan. Will comeback to this thread after tarawih prayer.

@Hexcoin : provide more and valid evidence that Yenzae is your cousin or I will never trust you.  Probably,  Yenzae is serial scammer.

I first understood your cousin just happened to have the same recycled address as yenzae0215 on the exchange. So he is the loan defaulter/scammer? Were you aware of that? Why didn't you ask him to repay long ago when he defaulted and disappeared?
Now I don't see how you can prove he's not your imaginary friend :/ And the thing is if it's really you (and not your cousin) then repaying the loan wouldn't be enough to get rid of a negative trust. Anyway you should repay that loan and then ask your cousin (if he really exists) to pay you back.

@Waterpile : Thank you to move this to scam accusation. Can you change the tittle to "Probable alt of Yenzae0215" ?

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You're free to have multiple addresses, and you're free to use different payout address from your bets. Maybe you didn't expect that someone will notice this.

How do we know that text message was sent by Yenzae ?, it could be sent by your another friend.

Yenzae's account has been banned , so you improve your post to avoid getting banned in the future.

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I have sent email to coins.ph regarding your question. Waiting for their reply.

I think we can create multiple accounts in coins.ph and don't need to verify with our ID to buy/sell.
I have quoted one of cash-out options , probably, with multiple accounts we can avoid cashout limitation.

I just notice today that he uses yenzae0215 here in the forum because of this allegations. I dont really know if i should pay his debt for i dont know about that i cant force him to pay me if i pay his loan.

This. If you don't know that your 'cousin' scammed a few people around here, then you could've just did a search on his address just like waterpile did here. Your 'cousin' caused trouble in the past and since you were affiliated with his address, you will be the one to blame here right now. The only option here for you is to either pay in your cousin's behalf and ask him to pay you back IRL OR tell him to get in here and pay for what he scammed and you will be clean. You don't want this thread to reach 5-10 pages before it gets resolved. It will be a permanent mark on your record and people will have a hard time to trust you.

well tell your cousin if he really exists to stop his gambling addiction.. almost every dice site that i saw him crying and begging for tips and every time he losses, he cries scam. As for now you could ask him to repay his overdue debt.. nakakahiya ang dami ng pnoise na puro loan defaulter at tuloy parang tingin na ng ibang bansa puro scammer na ang bansa natin...


Its qory (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=412318) who found about this, I just moved it to the proper section

Yes i am free to use any address but why i should split my coins to another address and give it back to my main address?

Why would i fake the text message? If its from another friend of mine then you are saying i can really accept to place bets for them? Then why not believe its from my cousin? If you think it is from a different friend of mine you can check the blockchaim again and see for yourself if i used another recieving addy in directbet for that "another friend"

So i cant post on my best way possible? If my posts history is better than him you accused me of that? It is not possible that im just a better poster than my cousin?

Afaik you can make multiple accounts there but they require id verification in some cases. Im not quite sure coz i dont use their site often

Well, one more thing that makes him and me different is i dont gamble much. You can check the outgoing transactions on my address almost 98% is only to luckybit and 2% on directbet unlike yenzae0215 as you said

Probable other alts of Yenzae0215 :
1. Jenifer0012
jenifer0012 and yenzae0215 posted the same fb account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1077420.msg11554584#msg11554584

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887679.msg9792304#msg9792304

Jenifer0012's address 19xJpFiDbEFW8mwWtzKA5gqVPvUtasAu6q
Some transactions from jenifer012's address are directbet.eu's deposit addressess.
Last transaction to 1c5jkGQjvoGFquHFqcPkiwxSSkcYZEu2T  is DirectBet.eu's deposit address ( bet status (http://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?betid=1c5jkGQjvoGFquHFqcPkiwxSSkcYZEu2T) )
Bet won and payout sent to 1GYg7XJWTSAKehefj4sDeQfQuFqLtFHn5P (  60181... (https://blockchain.info/tx/60181e5300a2682b6dc8216a3eb12d5639f6205a97d4b74fb80b0cb1bfc2f879) )

This address 1GYg7XJWTSAKehefj4sDeQfQuFqLtFHn5P leads me to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1058213.0


2. xFrostee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=512928)
xFrostee's address : 148n8DBWjJaJfC64uqb1qREZQNddcqhHZ2 ( post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1021399.msg11614003#msg11614003)
Transaction from xFrostee's address to 1Jozy7yvd9SnCZTN485fDsd3ZzofvHHsRy ( 778a... (https://blockchain.info/tx/778a0a520f9ba86d44d60c4df82dd59c2496448e7acb37d5efa5dda1f09d982b) )
1Jozy7yvd9SnCZTN485fDsd3ZzofvHHsRy is DirectBet.eu's deposit address. (  bet status  (http://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?betid=1Jozy7yvd9SnCZTN485fDsd3ZzofvHHsRy)
Bet won and payout sent to 12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 ( 04ae.. (https://blockchain.info/tx/04ae231f13ba4bdd5a3fde7253343524a1e58ba500616f7e4a87d8935dc45360) )
12R9SPJBoiXmJiQ23HwM38gEWoBZ6FWk31 is yenzae0215's address

3. cbase (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=226125)
cbase's address : 16YGA54bmczVzKRKoot9PSemJeMCw42dt2 (  post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1021399.msg11389815#msg11389815) )
Some transactions from cbase's address are directbet.eu's deposit addressess.
Last transaction to 1NdUURauhedU8v4p3axPfZoatQ8iDrNUCB is DirectBet.eu's deposit address (  bet status (http://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?betid=1NdUURauhedU8v4p3axPfZoatQ8iDrNUCB) )
Bet won and payout sent to 148n8DBWjJaJfC64uqb1qREZQNddcqhHZ2 ( d44b.. (https://blockchain.info/tx/d44b0a1532b4df1ed97c2585faaf67585e9d11298b9b6e2ba3f02e46635c76c4) )

148n8DBWjJaJfC64uqb1qREZQNddcqhHZ2 is xFrostee's address.

Edit :
Another transaction from xFrostee's address to 1PNgJUKTEhuSCN4R2JEDyLDYjKkJMJj4yq ( d0488.. (https://blockchain.info/tx/d04880f14b86ef82bbb459bfb023029dc67e97d61f4cf7e8329e16d62f563798) )
1PNgJUKTEhuSCN4R2JEDyLDYjKkJMJj4yq is directbet.eu's deposit address (  bet status (http://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?betid=1PNgJUKTEhuSCN4R2JEDyLDYjKkJMJj4yq) )
Bet won and payout sent to 1GYg7XJWTSAKehefj4sDeQfQuFqLtFHn5P ( 1d706... (https://blockchain.info/tx/1d706a8d13aa3490f9f133be651c19a56197e3e30a7c31a641a865a8ed4a8b65) )

 



Did they scammed someone too? Is there any problem on your "yenzae0215 alts"?

Edit: i read the whole post again. So what do you want to say?

If that is really yenzae0215 alts then it is clear we are not one person. You should check the posts history of those accounts and you will see the difference. Lol

Scammer's alts = scammer.
If what jacee said is true , it means yenzae stole jacee's account.

so Yenzae is a "probable" scammer and hacker? (in terms of accounts)

Ok i understand that. What is next now? What it has to do with me?

IMO hexcoin is yenzae end of story.. don't give us the his my mother, father, gentleman excuse. You could also be my step brother  ::)

What was the outcome of all this?

Did Hex ever pay any debts or figure if this guy really was his cousin.

Hex is constantly buying accounts, its not suprising he is a scammer.

Constantly buying accounts? really? cant you see it as some kind of investment? can you check my account's history if i ever made a deal which i insisted something and looks like im trying to scam?

I'm just trying to figure out probable alt / alt of scammer . You can always verify the evidences I've provided. Then everyone can make thier own opinion.

He only spam his signature with posts like "How much for this account?" or "Can you negotitate the price?" so he will get more BTC from BIT-X, it's obvious.

Really? Have you tried checking my posts history if im spamming? Poor guy accusing me of something im not doing. Spammer? Lololol

I'm saying that you spam in threads about selling accounts, not on Bitcointalk.
I'm just saying how it is and it's true.