Title: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jimbobway on September 26, 2012, 05:06:49 PM Make sure you use pgp to test your download before installing bitcoin.
http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/security/PMASA-2012-5.php Quote Summary One server from the SourceForge.net mirror system was distributing a phpMyAdmin kit containing a backdoor. Description One of the SourceForge.net mirrors, namely cdnetworks-kr-1, was being used to distribute a modified archive of phpMyAdmin, which includes a backdoor. This backdoor is located in file server_sync.php and allows an attacker to remotely execute PHP code. Another file, js/cross_framing_protection.js, has also been modified. Severity We consider this vulnerability to be critical. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: Blinken on September 26, 2012, 09:12:49 PM Obviously the hackers are going to change the hash on the site as well. How do you know you have a good hash? That is the problem.
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jimbobway on September 26, 2012, 09:19:23 PM Obviously the hackers are going to change the hash on the site as well. How do you know you have a good hash? That is the problem. Using Gavin's PGP signature you can test the SHA256SUMS.asc file to see if the hash in the file is legit. EDIT: See this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=69355.0 Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: gusti on September 26, 2012, 09:36:37 PM Checking PGP signatures is fine, but I suspect this is not a procedure an average user will be doing.
Is not possible to setup a dedicated, hardened and fully audited server, only for bitcoin updates repository ? Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jimbobway on September 26, 2012, 09:39:25 PM Checking PGP signatures is fine, but I suspect this is not a procedure an average user will be doing. Is not possible to setup a dedicated, hardened and fully audited server, only for bitcoin updates repository ? This was discussed a while back. Bitcoin devs considered hosting downloads on github which uses SSL and is more secure, but is attackable. Maximum security is to use PGP. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: gusti on September 26, 2012, 09:50:48 PM Checking PGP signatures is fine, but I suspect this is not a procedure an average user will be doing. Is not possible to setup a dedicated, hardened and fully audited server, only for bitcoin updates repository ? This was discussed a while back. Bitcoin devs considered hosting downloads on github which uses SSL and is more secure, but is attackable. Maximum security is to use PGP. I understand PGP is secure, but it's not convenient for the average Joe. I bet that the great majority of users never checked a download before. While a dedicated server, opposed to github, can be audited and verified by dev team at the file level before each download. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jgarzik on September 26, 2012, 09:51:45 PM Checking PGP signatures is fine, but I suspect this is not a procedure an average user will be doing. Is not possible to setup a dedicated, hardened and fully audited server, only for bitcoin updates repository ? A single server doesn't help much against DDoS, and bitcoin sites have often been DDoS victims in the past. Multiple servers + active admin team can do it... but at that point you've just reinvented SourceForge or CloudFlare. If you go through a DDoS hardened proxy, you are back to trusting SF/CF/... Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jimbobway on September 26, 2012, 09:53:52 PM I understand PGP is secure, but it's not convenient for the average Joe. I bet that the great majority of users never checked a download before. While a dedicated server, opposed to github, can be audited and verified by dev team at the file level before each download. Gavin would probably say something like, "You want to do it?" :P Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: gusti on September 26, 2012, 10:03:34 PM I understand PGP is secure, but it's not convenient for the average Joe. I bet that the great majority of users never checked a download before. While a dedicated server, opposed to github, can be audited and verified by dev team at the file level before each download. Gavin would probably say something like, "You want to do it?" :P Sure, why not, though Jeff is right on the DDoS issues. I'm also thinking in setting up a script which every hour will download and PGP verify the files, and send an alarm by email if see any problem. Do you think that procedure can be helpful ? Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jgarzik on September 26, 2012, 10:07:06 PM I'm also thinking in setting up a script which every hour will download and PGP verify the files, and send an alarm by email if see any problem. Do you think that procedure can be helpful ? Absolutely. That is a perfect example of decentralized action at work... we need as many people as possible checking these things. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: Gavin Andresen on September 26, 2012, 10:13:49 PM I'm also thinking in setting up a script which every hour will download and PGP verify the files, and send an alarm by email if see any problem. Do you think that procedure can be helpful ? Absolutely. That is a perfect example of decentralized action at work... we need as many people as possible checking these things.Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jimbobway on September 26, 2012, 10:15:15 PM This link might be helpful on Sourceforge mirrors:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Mirrors Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: gusti on September 26, 2012, 11:52:48 PM I'm also thinking in setting up a script which every hour will download and PGP verify the files, and send an alarm by email if see any problem. Do you think that procedure can be helpful ? Absolutely. That is a perfect example of decentralized action at work... we need as many people as possible checking these things. This script will download and verify the bitcoin installer, and send an email if any problem found. Mailutils package is needed. Code:
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jgarzik on September 26, 2012, 11:57:19 PM Just import Gavin's key once, rather than once each time you run the script.
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: gusti on September 26, 2012, 11:58:49 PM Just import Gavin's key once, rather than once each time you run the script. Yes, I think it only imports it once, if file is not present. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: dooglus on September 27, 2012, 04:58:58 AM The script checks whether the SHA256SUMS.asc file is correctly signed or not, and then ignores the result and continues whether or not the signature is valid.
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: Draino on September 27, 2012, 05:04:38 AM forgive my ignorance, but uh
what about bit torrent? Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: gusti on September 27, 2012, 11:03:34 AM The script checks whether the SHA256SUMS.asc file is correctly signed or not, and then ignores the result and continues whether or not the signature is valid. Yes, you are right, script is very basic (I'm not a programmer, really) and does not check signature validity. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: intel-core-i7 on September 28, 2012, 03:09:00 AM I will post a new script + a php version to put it on a shared hosting - for people who have just that...
When I post - I will be happy for donations :) 162QsQNozzpF242K3n7nXuzkBAtbjcsbQF Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: kokojie on September 28, 2012, 03:53:08 AM Can't someone just create a monitoring script, using PHP, and tell us if the current file is valid? Everyone can run this on their own server or host it for others.
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: runeks on October 14, 2012, 12:04:26 AM Here's a bash script that verifies the current 0.7.0 release. It returns 0 if everything matches up, and 1 if something went wrong (bad signature/bad file hash).
Code: #!/bin/bash A better way than hard coding file names would probably be pulling the newest version of SHA256SUMS.asc, and downloading the files specified in there. But I don't know how to get a direct URL for the newest version of a file on SourceForge. http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/latest/download redirects to http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/project/bitcoin/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.24/bitcoin-0.3.24-src.tar.gz which seems very... not latest. EDIT: You need to have Gavin's GPG key imported on your system for this script to work. This will do it: Code: wget http://bitcoin.org/gavinandresen.asc Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: befuddled on October 14, 2012, 12:49:44 AM I pasted that script into a file, ran it, and after a couple of minutes it exited and said "Bad signature."
Edit: if I just run gpg --decrypt SHA256SUM.asc it shows: Code: ---@jefferson:~/bitcoin$ gpg --decrypt SHA256SUMS.asc I've never used pgp, and don't really understand signatures. How does it find the public key? Problem on my end I'm guessing. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: runeks on October 14, 2012, 01:14:24 AM Oh, woops. I forgot to add that you need to have Gavin's key imported for this to work. Do this:
Code: wget http://bitcoin.org/gavinandresen.asc I'll add it to the original post. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: foo on October 14, 2012, 01:25:03 AM Oh, woops. I forgot to add that you need to have Gavin's key imported for this to work. Do this: Or you can get the key from a keyserver. May be safer?Code: wget http://bitcoin.org/gavinandresen.asc I'll add it to the original post. Code: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 1FC730C1 Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: runeks on October 14, 2012, 04:33:28 AM I've updated the script. Now you only need to specify the URL of the SHA256SUMS.asc file in question. It first downloads this file and checks the signature. After that it downloads all the files specified in the signature file and checks the hashes of these files.
Code: #!/bin/bash Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: flatfly on October 14, 2012, 07:49:43 AM Hmmm.. Perhaps a stupid question, but how do you verify the verifying script? :)
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: Foxpup on October 14, 2012, 10:32:10 AM Hmmm.. Perhaps a stupid question, but how do you verify the verifying script? :) I'm afraid Ken Thompson has some bad news (http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html) for you.Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on October 14, 2012, 11:23:34 AM Bitcoin probably will be the next target but people should catch on.
Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: Gavin Andresen on October 14, 2012, 07:00:48 PM I've updated the script. Now you only need to specify the URL of the SHA256SUMS.asc file in question. Nice! You should submit a pull request to put a version of this in the contrib/ directory; my only suggestion would be to make it take a version string as an argument (and maybe automatically look in the test/ subdirectory if it contains 'rc'). Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: runeks on October 15, 2012, 08:49:01 PM I've updated the script. Now you only need to specify the URL of the SHA256SUMS.asc file in question. Nice! You should submit a pull request to put a version of this in the contrib/ directory; my only suggestion would be to make it take a version string as an argument (and maybe automatically look in the test/ subdirectory if it contains 'rc'). I've updated the script to allow specifying a version string (which looks in the test/ dir if it ends with "-rc[0-9]") and made the pull request: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1935 Now we just need Bitcoin-interested people with a server to run this script at timed intervals, and we have ourselves a distributed Bitcoin-executable verification system. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: runeks on October 15, 2012, 10:09:34 PM Hmmm.. Perhaps a stupid question, but how do you verify the verifying script? :) I will be signing the script, and will make an additional script that verifies this. After that I plan on making a third script that verifies a signature over the second script. Once this is completed, the logical next step is making a script that verifies a signature over the third script. All this will - of course - be useless without the fifth script that verifies the fourth one. So, in the end - if time permits - I will make an infinite number of scripts that will make sure you can trust the first one.Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: justusranvier on October 15, 2012, 10:12:01 PM I had an idea while reading this thread but don't know if it's mathematically possible.
The official binaries are produced from a deterministic process that could be though of as a function that takes a git commit id as an input and produces a checksum of the compiled result as an output. When an individual signs a release he is effectively asserting "F(X)=Y" for a specific X and Y. What if it were possible to construct a bitcoin address (A) such that if the address was used to sign the statement "F(X)=Y" and if that statement was not true, a third party could use a combination of the signature, F, and A to derive the private key and thus take any Bitcoins which had been sent there? If it was possible to generate such an address it could be used to insure builds. Any person who signs a false statement risks having the coins he offered up as insurance taken by the first person to discover the falsehood. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: cypherdoc on October 15, 2012, 10:55:43 PM Hmmm.. Perhaps a stupid question, but how do you verify the verifying script? :) I will be signing the script, and will make an additional script that verifies this. After that I plan on making a third script that verifies a signature over the second script. Once this is completed, the logical next step is making a script that verifies a signature over the third script. All this will - of course - be useless without the fifth script that verifies the fourth one. So, in the end - if time permits - I will make an infinite number of scripts that will make sure you can trust the first one.:D Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: chsados on October 15, 2012, 11:15:44 PM Why not use torrent/magnet link - or am i missing some vulnerability there?
A trusted user posts the torrent file at some location and we all seed. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jgarzik on October 15, 2012, 11:22:05 PM Why not use torrent/magnet link - or am i missing some vulnerability there? A trusted user posts the torrent file at some location and we all seed. The point of using PGP signatures is that a "trusted user" can be impersonated. Speaking of seeding, though, there is an experimental bitcoin blockchain torrent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117982.0). Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: runeks on October 15, 2012, 11:30:00 PM Why not use torrent/magnet link - or am i missing some vulnerability there? The threat is that the trusted location - as in SourceForge, or bitcoin.org - is hacked. Whether this trusted location points to a torrent magnet URI or an executable downloaded via HTTP isn't relevant.A trusted user posts the torrent file at some location and we all seed. But you remind me that it's also relevant to crawl bitcoin.org. If an adversary hacks bitcoin.org and makes the Bitcoin client download URL point to a file hosted by himself, we wouldn't notice with this script. So I guess that's another feature that this surveillance system should have. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: paraipan on October 15, 2012, 11:49:17 PM Why not use torrent/magnet link - or am i missing some vulnerability there? A trusted user posts the torrent file at some location and we all seed. Great idea, the magnet links contain a cryptographic hash of the file. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_URI_scheme Quote The Magnet URI scheme is a de facto standard (instead of an open standard) defining a URI scheme for Magnet links, which mainly refer to resources available for download via peer-to-peer networks. Such a link typically identifies a file not by location, but by content -- more precisely, by the content's cryptographic hash value. So Gavin could sign it with his key and share on the forum and sourceforge and we all get to check for the main client integrity even if a central download server is hacked. The nice thing is all torrent clients know how to handle them and start looking for peers and download the main client without issues. Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: chsados on October 16, 2012, 12:29:41 AM Why not use torrent/magnet link - or am i missing some vulnerability there? A trusted user posts the torrent file at some location and we all seed. Great idea, the magnet links contain a cryptographic hash of the file. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_URI_scheme Quote The Magnet URI scheme is a de facto standard (instead of an open standard) defining a URI scheme for Magnet links, which mainly refer to resources available for download via peer-to-peer networks. Such a link typically identifies a file not by location, but by content -- more precisely, by the content's cryptographic hash value. So Gavin could sign it with his key and share on the forum and sourceforge and we all get to check for the main client integrity even if a central download server is hacked. The nice thing is all torrent clients know how to handle them and start looking for peers and download the main client without issues. exactly...any change to the file and the torrent wont download - similar to the way blockchain works Title: Re: SourceForge mirror hacked. Bitcoin could be next target. Post by: jimbobway on October 16, 2012, 01:45:08 AM Does this script take into account all of the mirrors?
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