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Title: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: alexrossi on July 25, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
As stated from the title, are already aviable others wallet implementations that share the same seed wordlist and use the same path/derivation of electrum?


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: Quickseller on July 25, 2015, 06:03:18 PM
You can use brainwallet (https://brainwallet.org/#chains) to get the private keys in your wallet/seed, and could then import/sweep them into another wallet program. If you do then, then the wallet program you import them into will not generate new keys that would match your electrum seed


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on July 27, 2015, 04:26:02 AM
as far as I know , electrum uses its own implementation.  a while back I wrote a python script to generate addresses and keys from an electrum seed just to prove to myself I wasn't relying on anyone.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=612143.0

this is the "old version" of electrum... I think the script would need to be updated for the latest 13 word seeds.


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: medUSA on July 27, 2015, 12:58:00 PM
You can use brainwallet (https://brainwallet.org/#chains) to get the private keys in your wallet/seed, and could then import/sweep them into another wallet program. If you do then, then the wallet program you import them into will not generate new keys that would match your electrum seed

The Brainwallet site can only generate NEW deterministic addresses for you. It does not let you enter your backup 12/13 word keys and generate your existing addresses. What Brainwallet does is simulate a new Electrum install.

As stated from the title, are already aviable others wallet implementations that share the same seed wordlist and use the same path/derivation of electrum?

I believe extracting the correct section from python source and generating address yourself is the only way for electrum 2.0  :-[


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: Quickseller on July 27, 2015, 01:04:59 PM
You can use brainwallet (https://brainwallet.org/#chains) to get the private keys in your wallet/seed, and could then import/sweep them into another wallet program. If you do then, then the wallet program you import them into will not generate new keys that would match your electrum seed

The Brainwallet site can only generate NEW deterministic addresses for you. It does not let you enter your backup 12/13 word keys and generate your existing addresses. What Brainwallet does is simulate a new Electrum install.
It will force you to initially generate a new seed, however it will allow you to edit the seed it generates and will give you the private keys associated with your electrum wallet with that seed.


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: unamis76 on July 27, 2015, 01:20:26 PM
You can see which wallets are compatible here (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=584F122BA17116EE!313&app=Excel). This is work from someone in the forums. I can't find his username right now, neither the thread. I'll credit him when I find it again :)

Basically nothing seems to be compatible with Electrum

EDIT:

Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1000544.0) it is. Credits to btchris (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1171)


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: medUSA on July 27, 2015, 01:27:04 PM
It will force you to initially generate a new seed, however it will allow you to edit the seed it generates and will give you the private keys associated with your electrum wallet with that seed.

I select "Electrum" from this page (https://brainwallet.org/#chains), click "Secure Random" and it generates new addresses. As soon as I
paste my 13 word seed into "Paper Backup" box, all boxes went blanks and nothing happens. I might be doing it wrong, please correct me if I am. I suspect it doesn't work with Electrum 2.0 (13 word seeds)

You can see which wallets are compatible here (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=584F122BA17116EE!313&app=Excel).

Looking at the "mnemonic-compatitble" tab, it seems nothing is compatible to Electrum 2.0  :-[


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: unamis76 on July 27, 2015, 04:20:37 PM
It will force you to initially generate a new seed, however it will allow you to edit the seed it generates and will give you the private keys associated with your electrum wallet with that seed.

I select "Electrum" from this page (https://brainwallet.org/#chains), click "Secure Random" and it generates new addresses. As soon as I
paste my 13 word seed into "Paper Backup" box, all boxes went blanks and nothing happens. I might be doing it wrong, please correct me if I am. I suspect it doesn't work with Electrum 2.0 (13 word seeds)

You can see which wallets are compatible here (https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=584F122BA17116EE!313&app=Excel).

Looking at the "mnemonic-compatitble" tab, it seems nothing is compatible to Electrum 2.0  :-[

Exactly, nothing works quite like Electrum. And it's not possible on brainwallet as far as I know.


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: Abdussamad on July 27, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
As stated from the title, are already aviable others wallet implementations that share the same seed wordlist and use the same path/derivation of electrum?

Electrum is software. It is on github. It is on lots of peoples hard drives. If you are worried about all that disappearing make your own copy of it.



Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: Quickseller on July 27, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
It will force you to initially generate a new seed, however it will allow you to edit the seed it generates and will give you the private keys associated with your electrum wallet with that seed.

I select "Electrum" from this page (https://brainwallet.org/#chains), click "Secure Random" and it generates new addresses. As soon as I
paste my 13 word seed into "Paper Backup" box, all boxes went blanks and nothing happens. I might be doing it wrong, please correct me if I am. I suspect it doesn't work with Electrum 2.0 (13 word seeds)
I suspect that brainwallet uses a smaller subset of words then what electrum allows. I was able to add a 13th word after clicking Clicking "Secure Random", and brainwallet gave me a list of addresses, however after creating a number of new wallets in electrum, I found that trying to replace even one word that electrum generated in the brainwallet seed, would often, but not always result in a blank screen.


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on July 27, 2015, 11:35:17 PM
It will force you to initially generate a new seed, however it will allow you to edit the seed it generates and will give you the private keys associated with your electrum wallet with that seed.

I select "Electrum" from this page (https://brainwallet.org/#chains), click "Secure Random" and it generates new addresses. As soon as I
paste my 13 word seed into "Paper Backup" box, all boxes went blanks and nothing happens. I might be doing it wrong, please correct me if I am. I suspect it doesn't work with Electrum 2.0 (13 word seeds)
I suspect that brainwallet uses a smaller subset of words then what electrum allows. I was able to add a 13th word after clicking Clicking "Secure Random", and brainwallet gave me a list of addresses, however after creating a number of new wallets in electrum, I found that trying to replace even one word that electrum generated in the brainwallet seed, would often, but not always result in a blank screen.

the dictionaries are different from electum 1 to electrum 2.


Title: Re: Where i can import the seed if electrum is not aviable?
Post by: alexrossi on July 28, 2015, 12:38:44 PM
Thanks for all the inputs guys. I especially liked the btchris spreadsheet, that is also a strong evidence about how much different are the actuals HD implementations. But yes, i agree with Abdussamad on the open source part.