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What do you do?
-Reselling/stocking digital accounts for an online video game website.
-Around 1 hour/day spent restocking and dealing with emails/support.
-This business already exists and is live for 3+ years.

You recieve--
3+ year old domain name/business.
Complete functioning website design. (MOBILE READY!)
SEO is fully worked on = very good rankings in the search engines (first page of Google!).
Tips, secrets, free help (I do this for a living myself) -- for life basically.
*Delivery is fully automated to work with PayPal -- other payment systems would need to be manually filled (or simply removed) - or coded for automation.
*Monthly bills are around $150 (web hosting, domain, advertising etc).

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At minimum generating $2000+/month profit. Sales depend on time of the year (summer time is the best!)... Hitting up to $6000+/month.. If more advertising is put into this, the potential for a lot more cash flow exists.

Not entirely sure I would sell, but will consider anything. Wanting Bitcoin only!




-EDIT-

Sir no offense but this honestly just reading a few sentences of this thread made my IQ drop. . . . .  :-X
I'm sorry if you take that offensive but just saying that you make it to obvious what you're doing.

 >inb4 OP acts clueless


.. 8)

What would be asking price for this?

If that made your IQ drop I'm surprised you have any social skills.

Any offers are considered.

$5?

I'll definitely go $6 if he's bidding $5. What's the URL of this money tree again?

Just to give you an idea of what any business sells for..

Generally 1 year gross = value of business.

If not, 1 year profit = value of business at minimum.

In other words, anything generating $2000/month in profit is going to be worth $24,000 MINIMUM.

this is so interesting
may I ask what is the domain name or can you show any proof that you really are earning that much with this site?

may i know the reason why you are selling your site if you are earning $2000+/month on it?

Once an offer is accepted, a proper middle man can be used to verify such information.


I own multiple sites -- and would like to invest in another bigger project that require much greater upfront costs.


..and of course to keep some of it in Bitcoin. :)

if im in your shoes i'll hire someone who will manage that and split the earnings, that way you keep ownership of the site and earn. Just my opinion.

Split the earnings for something only needing 1 hour of time per day? Haha, no.

Pay a guy in India $30/month to maintain? SURE!

Why would someone who is making 2-4k per MONTH sell it anyway?
That amount of money is good as you have a job that makes you money without much work.
Thinking about how real this can be and still wondering do you even believe in what you posted?

Please read the other posts above.

Surely no business in the world has ever sold or merged with other companies... Right..?   :P

Mmmmm... nope?

this message is so cryptic and i'm still trying to contact Mr Langdon to decipher

there's a lot of successful merger stories out there in the web if that's what you are saying
like Comcast and Time Warner, AT&T and DirectTV, Lafarge and Holcim just to name a few

Exactly.  ;)

He was asking why sell.. well for the same reason anyone else does.. upfront money.

We are dying to know the actual site name. My guess is, sales are going down and it may even stop working within 3 months.

This assumption is just ignorance to the business world. Just because someone is selling a business does not mean it is tanking.

Unless the internet dies, this will continue to generate $2000+/profit, minimum, which is a conservative number.

Last month I made $3650+ profit from just PayPal transactions.

http://i.gyazo.com/43d9b85d1f6859475fe69ea99c426e23.png

Alternative payment methods generate me anywhere from $500-$1000+/month. Unfortunately I have had almost no sales for Bitcoin transactions.

In peak months I made a ton more, so in certain cases you are right, but in some you are not. I simply lost a lot of desire to promote and advertise this specific project.

You are not telling us anything about the business. What does it sell? Who are the customers? Are they repeat?

Read OP.

If you don't understand, then it probably isn't the business for you, though I know I could school even the most ignorant person of how to run and maintain this. (even someone who doesn't read, though would be annoying..)

Pretty much runs itself.

I read it and it has SCAM written all over it! It's not like I don't have experience. I bought quite a lot of sites before from https://flippa.com/

But they always tell you the actual site name. Who the customers are, etc. You are showing screenshots without any specific information.

Which means either it's a scam, or it's doing something shady.

Or maybe you STILL cannot read the original post?

I state exactly what the business is, and about. The actual site itself is completely irrelevant until in the buying process with a middle man confirming all is accurate and correct.

People buy / sell digital gaming assets, for example -- Google "buy wow gold" or "buy wow accounts".

Like people giving Bitcoin value, others give gaming currency, objects in game, accounts etc value.

Instead of making wild assumptions crying scam, again -- simply READ. If a proper middle man is used, then no scam is possible.

The only thing revealed in your OP is "All you are doing is reselling digital accounts for an online video game."

So... questions that come to mind:

* Is reselling those digital accounts legal as per the terms of the said video game?
* Are they stolen/hacked accounts, or do they come from their rightful owner?
* Still don't see what the *website* name is. (Subject says "website generating...")

And instead of being agitated and pointing to the OP, you could try to provide more information.

* Is reselling those digital accounts legal as per the terms of the said video game?
--Selling/buying anything related to any online video game is always against the video game's TOS, but not illegal in any country to do. It is a billion dollar industry. For example, eBay forbids it (they claim copyright issues), while PayPal welcomes it. So you could say it is a "gray area" type business that has been around without issues since the dawn of early internet games such as Diablo and WoW.

Blizzard (Diablo, WoW) has before, sued the actual programmers of botting programs if you are familiar with the WOW GLIDER issue years and years ago.. But never the companies/users selling/buying/trading. In this case you are not the programmer or botter. (though for even more profit you could also bot)

* Are they stolen/hacked accounts, or do they come from their rightful owner?
--Nothing you sell is hacked or stolen, some people have done this, and in certain cases the FBI was involved.. (MILLIONS worth of accounts were hacked once..)

* Still don't see what the *website* name is. (Subject says "website generating...")
--I will repeat this again, I've already stated exactly what the business is about--the website name/company name is completely irrelevant and will only ever be reveled to the actual buyer. This is what you call a PRIVATE and not PUBLIC sale of a business, which is done to protect the buyer/seller interests.

I'll repeat this again--

You are reselling digital accounts for an online video game and making $2000+/profit minimum a month -- nothing illegal, nothing shady, etc. -- THAT simple. Releasing the website name/URL will not change anything. I've done all the heavy lifting and the site is literally turn key at this point. (3+ years old, aged, SEO ready, etc)

I'll also summarize things you've said so you can see why I've become impatient with you.


Again, this is obviously a private sale, not a public one. You can make any wild guesses you want, doesn't make them the least bit true.


I've told everything about the business, it really is that simple, knowing the website name won't change what is already said. The customers are gamers, some of them repeat.

I gave you examples to Google: "buy wow gold", "buy wow accounts", "sell wow accounts", "buy diablo gold", etc.


If you had actual experience in private sales, you wouldn't make such naive assumptions and present yourself in the rudest way possible. Though, I can understand you wanting to know the website URL and being skeptical.

All you have to do is understand what is stated is 100% true, then when it comes down to the actual buying, we can find a proper middle man and further verify all the tiny specific details you want. I'll also repeat, private sale, not public.

Feel free to ask anymore questions without the rudeness and wild assumptions.  ;)

I'll offer 70 BTC through escrow.

Maybe you should look into a couple things first before you make nonsense topics like this. One thing you should look into is how having a poor opsec isn't a good thing at all. I hope you learn one day.

inb4 you ask what's opsec or google here I saved you some time
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM0PmwOlifE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM0PmwOlifE)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaYdCdwiWU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaYdCdwiWU)



No offense but with HF in your username I have reason to believe your either
-  trying to troll and be funny
- just bored
- posting to post

Or I could be wrong but I don't know, that's just my opinion. ::)

Not true. For example, CS:GO's item trading is not against the game's TOS; Steam has a whole marketplace for it.

My bad, I meant majority of games -- even Diablo 3 once allowed this if you used the auction house they provided -- which later was discontinued.

I have experience in selling digital assets for economy based games such as Diablo 2, Diablo 3, World of Warcraft, Runescape and a few others -- all in which it is against the TOS to trade outside of the game.

Never played CS and personally never was a huge fan of the Steam interface.  :P

If you look me up on HF you will see I've donated over $10,000 to that website. I have money.

I've already reported "chaosPT" to a mod for trolling, just ignore him.   :-*

C/O is 70 BTC ($19,930) confirmed

Hello Guys,

I think many of you don't have idea how the websites flipping works. I have a lot of experience in this and I can say that flippa is not the best marketplace to get sites at. If you are looking for much more sites oyu have alternatives like Empire flippers or FE international, usually sites are sold for 20x monthly profit but it can go up to 36x depending on the nature of the business.

NO one is going to give the URL in public without a deposit well I never give out any info without a proper deposit since it will create competition and even negative SEO.

It would be good to get more stats from the OP.

Good luck!

How trustfull is/are your buying channel(s)?

Yup, yup, and yup.

Seems many people in this forums are trolls, and now I understand it is a very un-modded forum..  :-X

100% legit/trusted/fast.

can you give a prove about it ?
im interesting to buy your website

how much should I pay for it?

PMed more info.

Escrow/middleman would be used of course.

After some bids/talking around I'm looking to get $47,000.

I can also teach you how to generate your own assets for a bit more profit, but it would take further investment into computing power -- which is completely optional -- and scalable to fit almost any starting budget.

Remember, you are getting life time support here -- and a business-like-minded individual friend who does stuff like this for a living.  :D

This would add an estimated $500-$1000+/monthly profit easy. -- but again OPTIONAL EXTRA PROFIT.

If you want 47K out of the website and it generates $500 min monthly then yearly you would be earning 6K
Thats 3.91-7.83 years just to get your money back

$2000-4000/month is the main profit without extra investments after purchase.

$500-$1000/month is optional extra profit with extra investments.

0.78 years - 1.95 years payback but I predict more like 5-6 months -- even quicker than this if you advertise better.

Of course I also accept offers to adjust the math.  ;)

I want to reach out and state that if the site earns what OP claims it does, his price is along the lines of what would be expected. His calculations I saw earlier in the thread are spot on. Again, this is all assuming he's being honest about the site's earnings.

OP, if you'd be willing, you can send me the URL/verifying data (to show earnings over the past 12-24mo (longer is better)). I'll treat it as if we have an NDA (i.e., all information you send me is confidential). I will then report back to the thread with my personal findings/evaluation (without giving away specifics).

Perhaps you could act as a escrow if you are trusted on this forum.

It would be the escrow job to collect the offer/payment in BTC and obtain everything including the domain name.

Then this information would be further verified and the escrow would then transfer everything to the buyer and BTC to the seller minus what ever the escrow charges.

I offer to pay all escrow fees.

While I'm definitely reputable (and many would undoubtedly vouch for me), I'm really not feeling comfortable enough with handling escrows at this point. There's a failure point with regards to being an escrow that I just can't push myself to risk it with (i.e., "I sent you everything and now you're claiming you didn't get it," or false claims from one side against the other that I'd have to arbitrate through). It just seems like if something went wrong, I'd essentially be risking my reputation, which I'm not comfortable doing.

Nothing could go wrong if you obtain and verify assets from both sides.

Agreements from both sides would agree to certain terms for the verification process. -- Like a YES/NO check list.

Ahhh, got you. I think I could handle that then, if a buyer is interested.

I opened a thread below -- for escrow offers from trusted members of this forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1145330.0

If WoW is your mainstream profit maker, might I add that is in it's biggest decline at the moment. Lost %50 of its subscribers in the last 2 quarters.

WoW was just an example and no.

Also that has not effected the WoW market for profit for those who understand it best.

Not to mention there's only ~2.8m real players regardless. The rest are dual-boxers, bots and farmers. At least, that's the ratio back when there were 13.2m. The recent drops don't tell anything -- it could be 50% of the players that left, 50% of the bots, or a mixture of the two. For example, when FFXI started banning bots proactively, their subscriber base plummeted. But their real player base grew.

This sort of stuff just effects the bottors/farmers. The markets go through adjustments. (like real world economies)

Marketing plays a bigger role. (and staying adaptive is key)

I'm a huge game marketer myself, :p. I just meant that his data was worthless. It doesn't give anything of use and does nothing to show whether the game will weather over the years, or will grow as a result of change.

Yup.  :P

Well, I know 2 sellers closed their shops because of the decline and you guys forgot to count Asian players, who mainly play pay for hour. If you look at the ownedcore markets, the selling is declining too. Either way, WoW is not the money maker for Blizzard anymore thus it's markets will and is declining. Can't speak for the other games, but it looks like they are making good profits through Heartstone, Destiny and HotS. Anyway, good luck with your sale.

Anyone using ownedcore forums as an example doesn't understand this market.

I know the main reason you are selling is for upfront money, but perhaps you would accept the payment in installments? I know many people may not have 36k in disposable income at the moment, but could probably pay it over the course of a couple months.

Also, is the c/o of 70BTC something you're still considering or is it too low?

No installments would be accepted, otherwise pointless to sell in the first place.

I consider all offers, but at this time I would not accept 70 BTC as that is far too low to let this go.

Would you be will to use escrow?
And I will release funds from the escrow AFTER the website has been set up on my side and after i can confirm I make over 2K monthly?

Escrow would review and confirm all financial infos obtaining all assets from both sides. Again this is 3+ years old now online business, all transactions fully logged in PayPal.

you mean release the funds to the seller AFTER a month of operations and you made $2,000 USD?

Yeah I lol'ed at that one.  ;)

Same here...

BTW, a little off-topic, but curious: what's your chargeback ratio like with something like this?

Very low, not noticeable.

You could enable maxmind services if you were worried about this.

Last chance to buy this.

Had estimates from other selling sites I would easily be able to sell this for $50,000 after further analyzing.

Reviewing any serious offers within 24 hours of this message.

Will not go lower than $38,000.

I offer $50.

Would you mind mentioning what these "other selling sites" are? People are much more likely to trust a well-known site with a history of good website sales and a reputation for accuracy.