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Title: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Transisto on October 01, 2012, 07:23:07 PM I am against policing the promotion of paid advertising in signatures but I think it's time we set some rules to the use of signature in an attempt to improve content quality.
This sentence made me cringe. 4) You must post at least one post every day - somewhere on the forum during the contest period. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114454.0 Suggestions : * Signature filter. > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114511.0 It could be done with a greasemonkey script but I think the latest events command for a built-in feature. * Limit size of signature, Text size of no more than 3 line and size 10 ? * Allow for longer / bigger signature but with a cut-off at 2-3 lines and a mean to expand signature, (like we do with "Show post" of ignored users) These are relatively easy to implement, require no maintenance and does not censor anyone. Given the site-wide exposure of signatures there should be clear guidelines as to what is prohibited and what are the consequences of infringement and repeated offenses. Would it be better to ban the user or block it's use of signatures. ? Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 01, 2012, 07:36:34 PM * Limit size of signature, Text size of no more than 3 line and size 10 ? This is something I would very much like to enforce. I've looked into adding a height restriction, but it requires a lot of modifications to the parseBBC function to accurately determine the signature's height unless I want to ban a lot of markup in signatures (which maybe I do). Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Transisto on October 05, 2012, 12:38:27 AM If that help : http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/60027
Allows display toggle of user's signature ... Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: capn noe on October 05, 2012, 12:48:20 AM * Limit size of signature, Text size of no more than 3 line and size 10 ? This is something I would very much like to enforce. I've looked into adding a height restriction, but it requires a lot of modifications to the parseBBC function to accurately determine the signature's height unless I want to ban a lot of markup in signatures (which maybe I do). So instead of outright banning the behavior you think it would be wise to put some rules into effect to at least minimize the influence of what are viewed as bad decisions. Why not let people make impossibly huge signatures and encourage people to carefully weigh ignoring people who take it 'too far'. It might be good for the forums too, if you know what I mean. (financially). Heck, I bet BFL would support any such move... and they wouldn't be alone! Really, what innovation lies in a sig waiting to be let free without the shackles of size restriction? Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Raoul Duke on October 05, 2012, 01:21:37 AM If that help : http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/60027 Allows display toggle of user's signature ... Why do you need that? Go to your profile settings and disable signatures. https://i.imgur.com/gTDmM.png It always bugs me why people love to complicate simple things lol Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 05, 2012, 01:56:04 AM So instead of outright banning the behavior you think it would be wise to put some rules into effect to at least minimize the influence of what are viewed as bad decisions. Why not let people make impossibly huge signatures and encourage people to carefully weigh ignoring people who take it 'too far'. It might be good for the forums too, if you know what I mean. (financially). Heck, I bet BFL would support any such move... and they wouldn't be alone! Really, what innovation lies in a sig waiting to be let free without the shackles of size restriction? That might be OK if there was a web-of-trust rating/ignore system in place, but as things are now it's too much work to ignore people with annoying signatures. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: BurtW on October 05, 2012, 02:09:25 AM it's too much work to ignore people with annoying signatures. What is so "hard" about checking one simple check box and updating your settings to get rid of all signatures? I did because I got tired of seeing my own damn signature (but I really want to win the miner so I have to keep it up until the end of the contest). Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: nybble41 on October 05, 2012, 02:11:41 AM I've looked into adding a height restriction, but it requires a lot of modifications to the parseBBC function to accurately determine the signature's height unless I want to ban a lot of markup in signatures (which maybe I do). Why bother parsing the signature markup when you can just put this in the CSS? Code: .signature {Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 05, 2012, 02:54:52 AM Why bother parsing the signature markup when you can just put this in the CSS? Is that widely-supported? Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: capn noe on October 05, 2012, 08:57:00 AM I've looked into adding a height restriction, but it requires a lot of modifications to the parseBBC function to accurately determine the signature's height unless I want to ban a lot of markup in signatures (which maybe I do). Why bother parsing the signature markup when you can just put this in the CSS? Code: .signature {Abstinence is never the answer. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: salty on October 05, 2012, 10:23:38 AM I don't get it, it's trivial to turn signature display off in your profile.
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: BadBear on October 05, 2012, 12:11:24 PM I don't get it, it's trivial to turn signature display off in your profile. Not all sigs are spammy, obnoxious, and annoying. Just the ones like yours. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: salty on October 05, 2012, 01:40:31 PM I don't get it, it's trivial to turn signature display off in your profile. Not all sigs are spammy, obnoxious, and annoying. Just the ones like yours. Oh well, c'est la vie. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: nybble41 on October 05, 2012, 02:22:06 PM Why bother parsing the signature markup when you can just put this in the CSS? Is that widely-supported? It's a standard CSS2 property, and http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_max-height.asp (http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_max-height.asp) claims that it's supported in all the major browsers (though not in IE6 or earlier). If it's not supported, the only side-effect is that you see the entire signature instead of just the top 30pt. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 05, 2012, 02:35:23 PM It's a standard CSS2 property, and http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_max-height.asp (http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_max-height.asp) claims that it's supported in all the major browsers (though not in IE6 or earlier). If it's not supported, the only side-effect is that you see the entire signature instead of just the top 30pt. This seems to work well. I added it. I used 42px instead of 30pt -- the same height limit as ads. Thanks! Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Bjork on October 05, 2012, 05:28:47 PM I strongly disapprove of the signature change. I have my own threads I would like to advertise in my signature and I can't because there is not enough room now.
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 05, 2012, 05:42:22 PM Since size is no longer a problem, I increased the allowed number of characters in signatures to 2000.
I strongly disapprove of the signature change. I have my own threads I would like to advertise in my signature and I can't because there is not enough room now. Use a smaller font. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: greyhawk on October 05, 2012, 06:41:55 PM Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: kano on October 06, 2012, 01:38:36 AM So ... anyone know how to make a 3 line table that doesn't get screwed up as mine is?
Yeah my sig code is WAY larger now - more work for the forum software :P (I'm using 8pt which seems to be the same size as a normal sig) Edit: oh and Transisto - your sig you made for that exact advert that you dislike, is now truncated, so you should be disbarred from the competition IMO :) Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: pekv2 on October 06, 2012, 01:59:38 AM AdBlockPlus w/ Adblock Plus Pop-up Addon, click adblock plus icon, select element to hide, then select the "signature field" then click add element hiding rule.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2hrkwrz688a5ta/Untitled.jpg That is, if the signatures bother you. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: pretendo on October 06, 2012, 06:57:04 AM strongly agree
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Transisto on October 06, 2012, 08:40:11 AM ... I'm following the contest rules, I really hope to win the Quad miner.Edit: oh and Transisto - your sig you made for that exact advert that you dislike, is now truncated, so you should be disbarred from the competition IMO :) ;D Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: TravisE on October 21, 2012, 04:55:57 AM Please consider making it overflow : auto rather than overflow : hidden. That way if someone wants to view the rest of the signature, they can (it adds scrollbars as needed without losing the advantage of the size being limited). Just because someone doesn't want to see the whole signature doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
Also, I'd make the height relative (e.g. em or ex units), not absolute. Pixel units do not take into account the user's screen size and discriminate against people with visual impairments who may need to use a larger font size. Relative units allow the size to remain reasonable under different conditions. Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: RB26DETT on October 21, 2012, 01:51:26 PM why u got an advert in your sig then?
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 21, 2012, 05:24:00 PM Please consider making it overflow : auto rather than overflow : hidden. That way if someone wants to view the rest of the signature, they can (it adds scrollbars as needed without losing the advantage of the size being limited). Just because someone doesn't want to see the whole signature doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. Also, I'd make the height relative (e.g. em or ex units), not absolute. Pixel units do not take into account the user's screen size and discriminate against people with visual impairments who may need to use a larger font size. Relative units allow the size to remain reasonable under different conditions. I'm not very familiar with Web length units. What should I use to make it about 3 lines of default-sized text? Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: TravisE on October 21, 2012, 09:19:28 PM I think max-height: 3em should normally match 3 lines. For some reason, 4em seems to come closer to exactly three lines in this case. Might be a good idea to test in a few different browsers to make sure it's consistent. But whatever the em value is, it should automatically scale to match the overall font size in use.
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Raoul Duke on October 21, 2012, 09:31:10 PM I think max-height: 3em should normally match 3 lines. For some reason, 4em seems to come closer to exactly three lines in this case. Might be a good idea to test in a few different browsers to make sure it's consistent. But whatever the em value is, it should automatically scale to match the overall font size in use. 3em should be 3 lines of text, the extra 1em is for the line spacing probably. Or not... :P Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 21, 2012, 10:53:32 PM OK, I made it 4em and overflow:auto.
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: theymos on October 21, 2012, 11:00:12 PM Actually, overflow:auto is annoying because my cursor occasionally ends up in a signature while I'm scrolling down a page and then my browser thinks that I want to scroll through the signature instead of the page. So I removed that.
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: TravisE on October 21, 2012, 11:28:23 PM I guess the best solution would be some kind of “expand” button that makes the sig full size when clicked, but that'd probably be more complicated than a simple CSS style change. Thanks for considering, though!
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Kontakt on October 22, 2012, 05:05:33 PM It's not THAT bad, is it?
Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: BadBear on October 23, 2012, 11:32:05 AM Title: Re: Dealing with Signature spam ? (Here's my today's irrevelant post) Post by: Bia Yao Ma on October 23, 2012, 05:32:03 PM You can easily switch off signatures in profile. There should be some rules about signature size though.
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