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Title: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 03, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
Hi,

I have a sapphire 5870 graphics card.
The fan is not rotating correctly & that makes pc to crash due to high temperature.

The fan is rotating but not in full speed, even though its set to run at 73% speed.

I manually try to rotate fan & found its not moving easily.
Its clearly fan lubrication problem.

Normally i use to open back of fan to put 1-3 drops oil when it runs slow or not running.
I removed the fan hoping to put oil or grease.
But the damn fan don't have any ball bearings or opening to put oil.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2l9jihe.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/kw2de.jpg

Link for full size of back side of fan.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2z71oxi.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH8spGRL3Yk
This video show how to disassemble & put oil on reference fan & also fan with ball bearing, which also not helping in my case.

I put 2-3 drops in the center gap, but it seems not going in, but leaking out.

Anyone have any idea or link or way to put oil on my fan or how to disassemble it with out breaking?
Please share.

Thank you.




Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: poon-TANG on October 04, 2012, 01:09:17 AM
Check on ebay ...you can usually pick up stock fans for $7-$10


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: zvs on October 04, 2012, 11:34:11 AM
or to repeat myself for the nth time


zip tie a 120mm on that shiz


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 04, 2012, 12:56:38 PM
Yes, i can place a 120mm fan, but its not cooling that much.

No way to open the fan to lubricate without breaking?


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: superfastkyle on October 04, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
this is the only fan type the oiling trick hasn't worked on for me. So you may have to replace it. A reference fan will line up with one of the holes and provide better cooling if you can't find the exact fan. I found out the hard way though don't plug a reference fan into the board though your gonna need to splice a molex on the end. I guess the resistor on the fan control can't handle 10 watts, so be aware of that


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 04, 2012, 09:01:22 PM
Yeah I don't like that style...

I have a similar style 5850 I put a 5770 fan on it so I could continue mining with it.


If you keep the shroud on and put a very high RPM 92mm fan sealed to the hole blowing air through, it should do better than the original fan


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: Soros Shorts on October 05, 2012, 01:18:47 AM
I just had a Sapphire 5830 seize up on me and took some pictures while fixing it. The fans look similar to those used on the 5870 except that the mounting holes are different.

These fans are made by "firstd" and you should be able to pop them right out.
http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0704.JPG

Use a pair of screwdrivers or something similar.
http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0705.JPG

Do not apply any force on the fan blades as they will break easily.
http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0706.JPG

Once the fan pops out the spindle and hole are exposed. You can apply lube to both the spindle and the hole.
http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0707.JPG

I like Bel-Ray chain lube, a high-performance lube designed for motorcycle racing applications. This the lube is thick and sticky and the fan does not spin as freely as thin lube. However is stays on longer and I won't be surprised if it lasts longer than the original lube. I've never had to reapply this.
http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0708.JPG

If the fan has developed a rattle, thick lube would help elminate this. However, most people seem to prefer light machine oil so you might feel safer using that instead.
http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0709.JPG




Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 05, 2012, 01:06:12 PM
@Soros Shorts: 100+ Thanks. Worked flawless.

Note: Those who want to open fan for lubricating, put screw drivers or any metal sticks or rods which wont bend, lift both the screw drivers, by placing your palm below screw drivers.
If you try to push down or press down hoping, that you push down screw drivers, so that will make other side go up & lift fan, It won't, it may break fan blades.
Also, you need to screw fan to heat sink, so that it wont move when opening.

http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0705.JPG


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: ssateneth on October 05, 2012, 04:53:07 PM
I don't know... I'll stick with drilling a hole on the face of the fan. I broke 3 fans doing the "separation" technique. The fan didn't seperate from the motor though. The plastic mounting base separated (broke) from the PCB instead, completely destroying the fan. I realize that the only thing holding these fans together is a little thin circular plastic washer with 4 cuts into the disk in the design of a plus, so it can be inserted and bend until it reaches the divot on the axle of the fan, but some of these are just too strong and won't bend again when you try to pull the fan off.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 05, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
Yeah I am not very fond of separating the fan as shown above....


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 05, 2012, 10:18:24 PM
Yes it may break, if using wrong method.
The trick is you have to "lift up" the screw driver or stick instead of pushing down.
Also u MUST attach the fan to heat sink or some wood board for support.

I removed the heat sink & screwed it upside down in plastic cover then screwed fan to it.
So, it was easy to open, coz the heat sink, gives support for lifting.

Like this image

http://freeportanimalshelter.org/ext_imgs/IMG_0705.JPG


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: abracadabra on October 09, 2012, 02:34:28 AM
Yes it may break, if using wrong method.
The trick is you have to "lift up" the screw driver or stick instead of pushing down.
Also u MUST attach the fan to heat sink or some wood board for support.

I removed the heat sink & screwed it upside down in plastic cover then screwed fan to it.
So, it was easy to open, coz the heat sink, gives support for lifting.


Just noticed this thread.  I'm glad i saved my old locked up fans.  I have now repaired 7 fans in this manner.

thanks dishwara!


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 09, 2012, 06:02:09 AM
Just noticed this thread.  I'm glad i saved my old locked up fans.  I have now repaired 7 fans in this manner.
thanks dishwara!
I am happy this thread helped you,
The credit must go to "Soros Shorts", who replied with detailed pictures.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: SgtMoth on October 09, 2012, 06:38:43 AM
Just noticed this thread.  I'm glad i saved my old locked up fans.  I have now repaired 7 fans in this manner.
thanks dishwara!
I am happy this thread helped you,
The credit must go to "Soros Shorts", who replied with detailed pictures.


thank you too, i just fixed two fan shrouds


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 09, 2012, 11:29:26 AM
Well I tried this method and destroyed the little PCB under the fan. Now it's super dead :)





Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 09, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
Well I tried this method and destroyed the little PCB under the fan. Now it's super dead :)
Your fan may be ball bearing type.
Remove sticker on back side of fan.
If you see a small black rubber piece on center or a silver ball bearing, then you broken a fan which can't open in the above methods.
So far, I have seen only 2 types.
Ball bearing back type, which needs to just remove sticker & put a drop of oil.
And no ball bearing type, which can be opened by the above method.

You better post pic of your fan, which you saying broken when opening.
Also, the fans you have, which so far not broken.

Without seeing any pics or details of fan type, NO ONE CAN HELP.
You keep on saying you broken fans. Better show pics of broken fans.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 09, 2012, 02:22:39 PM
Well the fan and heatsink are identical to the ones in the picture...


I tried this method and killed it even more :)


I don't care.... Just stating that drilling a small hole is a LOT easier :D


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 09, 2012, 02:53:56 PM
Well I tried this method and destroyed the little PCB under the fan. Now it's super dead :)

Well the fan and heatsink are identical to the ones in the picture...
I tried this method and killed it even more :)
I don't care.... Just stating that drilling a small hole is a LOT easier :D

So far you didn't show any pics of YOUR BROKEN FANS & PCB's.
Stop trolling.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: abracadabra on October 09, 2012, 05:16:39 PM
Well the fan and heatsink are identical to the ones in the picture...


I tried this method and killed it even more :)


I don't care.... Just stating that drilling a small hole is a LOT easier :D

I've been able to pop reference fans and non-reference FirstD (Sapphire) fans no problem.
Obviously you need to be careful where you put the edge of the screwdriver and make sure you understand what you are doing.
You can't just go in there like you are using a crowbar on a 2x4


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: ssateneth on October 09, 2012, 05:28:41 PM
Well I tried this method and destroyed the little PCB under the fan. Now it's super dead :)

Well the fan and heatsink are identical to the ones in the picture...
I tried this method and killed it even more :)
I don't care.... Just stating that drilling a small hole is a LOT easier :D

So far you didn't show any pics of YOUR BROKEN FANS & PCB's.
Stop trolling.

I threw out all my fans that broke even more with your method. If you want to buy me a fan so I can demonstrate how fans break with your method, I'll gladly show pictures or a video of how it breaks.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 09, 2012, 06:17:21 PM
Well I tried this method and destroyed the little PCB under the fan. Now it's super dead :)

Well the fan and heatsink are identical to the ones in the picture...
I tried this method and killed it even more :)
I don't care.... Just stating that drilling a small hole is a LOT easier :D

So far you didn't show any pics of YOUR BROKEN FANS & PCB's.
Stop trolling.

I threw out all my fans that broke even more with your method. If you want to buy me a fan so I can demonstrate how fans break with your method, I'll gladly show pictures or a video of how it breaks.
1) Its not MY method. Some replied me & i thanked him.
2) If AndrewBUD can able to drill a small hole, near center without breaking any parts & make his fan works, saying he broke fans by opening is clearly absurd.
He can able to drill, but can't open?
Which is easier & safer?
Drilling or opening?



Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 09, 2012, 08:01:51 PM
I am trolling because I didn't put up pictures of the fan I broke? The fan already had it's connectors cut off.. I tried to separate it to test this "method"


Here are a couple pictures, you suck.... here's some tissue too..

 
http://i50.tinypic.com/34hdqmc.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ljmdt0.jpg


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 09, 2012, 08:05:47 PM
Well I tried this method and destroyed the little PCB under the fan. Now it's super dead :)

Well the fan and heatsink are identical to the ones in the picture...
I tried this method and killed it even more :)
I don't care.... Just stating that drilling a small hole is a LOT easier :D

So far you didn't show any pics of YOUR BROKEN FANS & PCB's.
Stop trolling.

I threw out all my fans that broke even more with your method. If you want to buy me a fan so I can demonstrate how fans break with your method, I'll gladly show pictures or a video of how it breaks.

That's okay my 2 year old is demonstrating how broken the fan is... :)


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: dishwara on October 09, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
Ok.
This method don't work for you.
Choose whatever you want.

Its really funny every one saying its my method.
They know how to install graphics cards, know how to put 1-8 or more graphics card in a system which designed to put only 2 graphics card & they calling it "whose" method.

Whatever, I got problem, asked forum, some one helped, problem solved.
The purpose of this thread is done.
I hope in future some others may find it useful.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 09, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
I am not arguing... Whatever works best for you..... All i was saying is what works for me and what is easiest IMO... (In My Opinion)


Please try and have a nice day :)




Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: philips on October 09, 2012, 09:02:02 PM
The screwdriver method works for sure, I have used it a couple of times on a problematic (read crappy) XFX 7970 fan.
Saw it first time demonstrated (with three screwdrivers) by this guy on a different type of fan, but the principle is the same:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH8spGRL3Yk


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: ewibit on October 10, 2012, 08:03:12 PM
The screwdriver method works for sure, I have used it a couple of times on a problematic (read crappy) XFX 7970 fan.
Saw it first time demonstrated (with three screwdrivers) by this guy on a different type of fan, but the principle is the same:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH8spGRL3Yk
+1
thx  :)


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: ewibit on January 04, 2013, 11:23:37 AM
I have a strange problem...
I have done it on 2 cards and then the fans were working again - BUT only for a few minutes, then they freezed...
now the fans do nothing, but they are easy going if it rotate it manual  ???


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: pehoko on January 04, 2013, 08:09:11 PM
Maybe electrical malfunction


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: abracadabra on January 04, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
I have a strange problem...
I have done it on 2 cards and then the fans were working again - BUT only for a few minutes, then they freezed...
now the fans do nothing, but they are easy going if it rotate it manual  ???

you probably damaged one of the windings. you don't need to insert the screwdriver/tool in too far. 


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: Gatorhex on January 08, 2013, 02:47:59 AM
If the spindle is broken, you need a new fan, no amount of oil will fix it.

I'm with the others who say mini zip tie a 2500rpm fan, similar diameter to the shroud hole blowing down into the heatsink.


Title: Re: sapphire 5870 fan problem
Post by: zvs on January 23, 2013, 12:33:21 AM
If the spindle is broken, you need a new fan, no amount of oil will fix it.

I'm with the others who say mini zip tie a 2500rpm fan, similar diameter to the shroud hole blowing down into the heatsink.

I had 4 cards like that (3 5830's and one 5870 (gigabyte 5870s suck))...  but I took all the fans off the 5830s...   They're fine packed like sardines in a 3 slot motherboard running at 800/145 @ 0.95v, w/ just the heat sink and a 12" floor fan on them...  i mean, if they were in a case (mine arent, hah) that was well ventilated and ambient temp was room temperature, you probably wouldnt even need any extra cooling.  

though if they had fans i'd prefer to run them at 920 core & 1.063v

oh, they get about 260mhash.  at the 920 setting it's about 295, if your elec costs more than 10 or 11c, probably better at 0.95 anyway.