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Title: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: poon-TANG on October 11, 2012, 05:29:55 PM
Not looking too good for the Oct/Nov release of the ASIC units. If they are barely shipping the Aug FPGA orders.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: SgtSpike on October 11, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if there are very few FPGA orders after August, and they are scaling down production of them to match the remaining demand.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: Desolator on October 13, 2012, 04:39:17 AM
You know, one page on their website says they'll be out in October, another used to say Nov/Dec, yet another says Oct/Nov, and another asks themselves if they'll come out in October then answers it :P

Our ASIC based products ranging from 4.5 GH/s to 1,500 GH/s are currently scheduled for availability in November, 2012.
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So will the BitForce SC product line REALLY come out in October? This is a fair question.  Let's review our track record.  If you're not aware, our initial product, the BitForce Single had a slow delivery cycle. (that's about all the further you need to read that paragraph, lol)
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Butterfly Labs, INC. is accepting pre-orders for ASIC based products, expected to begin shipping in late October or early November 2012.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: squid on October 13, 2012, 04:56:12 AM
You know, one page on their website says they'll be out in October, another used to say Nov/Dec, yet another says Oct/Nov, and another asks themselves if they'll come out in October then answers it :P

Our ASIC based products ranging from 4.5 GH/s to 1,500 GH/s are currently scheduled for availability in November, 2012.
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So will the BitForce SC product line REALLY come out in October? This is a fair question.  Let's review our track record.  If you're not aware, our initial product, the BitForce Single had a slow delivery cycle. (that's about all the further you need to read that paragraph, lol)
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Butterfly Labs, INC. is accepting pre-orders for ASIC based products, expected to begin shipping in late October or early November 2012.

My personal expectation is no ASICs anywhere until Q1 2013


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: regular on October 13, 2012, 05:30:43 AM
The asics and FPGAs are probably released at different manufacturing process/facilities.  It is likely safe to say that delay on the FPGA doesn't mean asics are behind too.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: Desolator on October 13, 2012, 03:19:39 PM
According to pics I've seen, the actual chips come from somewhere else but they are assembled and tested at BFL's main labs.  I've seen pics of them working on those 2-chip FPGAs and inspecting them and stuff.  They say assembly and testing of the ASICs will happen at the same time too.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: squid on October 13, 2012, 04:33:12 PM
According to pics I've seen, the actual chips come from somewhere else but they are assembled and tested at BFL's main labs.  I've seen pics of them working on those 2-chip ASICs and inspecting them and stuff.  They say assembly and testing of the ASICs will happen at the same time too.

I would hope that BFL is going to at least hire temp workers to help with assembly upon ASIC release.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: 420 on October 14, 2012, 01:20:18 AM
WHY NOT show a video example of one of these jalapenos at least mining


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: Desolator on October 14, 2012, 08:04:10 AM
WHY NOT show a video example of one of these jalapenos at least mining

mostly because, according to BFL, they don't even have a prototype yet (totally not true!!!)


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: 420 on October 14, 2012, 08:08:43 AM
why do you believe they have a prototype


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: bigasic on October 14, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
umm, I ordered 10 singles with sc upgrades on mid August order and i received them 3 weeks later (the regular singles)..


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: Desolator on October 15, 2012, 01:28:43 PM
why do you believe they have a prototype

When a phone, xbox, camera, tablet, etc is brought to market, they all have a prototype in their hands by 2-3 months before the ship date.  You don't just start reviewing it and testing it 2 weeks before it's released to customers.  That's just not how device design works and BFL knows that.  So they definitely have working prototypes and have for a while now.  Btw here's Josh from BFL in a video explaining what BFL bought as far as assembly equipment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT-smMzg54k

dunno what a pick and place machine or skin whatever or oven is, but they have one :P


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: creativex on October 15, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
A pick and place machine is for rapidly placing surface mount devices on PC boards with precision. It's a must for any kind of in house scalable production.

A reflow oven is used to reflow solder on surface mount devices. Also a necessity for BFL if they intend to build the boards themselves in the near future, as in after their first "batch" as I understand their position at present.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: Aseras on October 15, 2012, 08:30:04 PM
why do you believe they have a prototype

When a phone, xbox, camera, tablet, etc is brought to market, they all have a prototype in their hands by 2-3 months before the ship date.  You don't just start reviewing it and testing it 2 weeks before it's released to customers.  That's just not how device design works and BFL knows that.  So they definitely have working prototypes and have for a while now.  Btw here's Josh from BFL in a video explaining what BFL bought as far as assembly equipment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT-smMzg54k

dunno what a pick and place machine or skin whatever or oven is, but they have one :P

You do realize this is the actual proof they don't have a prototype and will not ship on schedule? If they had even a semi working prototype they'd be whoring it out all over the place advertising it. Just like they did for their preorders and news releases and laughable assembly equipment.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: SysRun on October 15, 2012, 09:10:17 PM
Maybe so, but I'm getting ready to say RIP 832MH/s Single... and here's proof.  :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdiZvtUGbSc

There's quite a bit more information from BFL than last time around, but time will tell.


Title: Re: BFL is shipping out August FPGA orders
Post by: 420 on October 15, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
Maybe so, but I'm getting ready to say RIP 832MH/s Single... and here's proof.  :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdiZvtUGbSc

There's quite a bit more information from BFL than last time around, but time will tell.

last time their specs and cost were reasonably levelled (1ghash/s turned out to be 832mhash)