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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: MrTeal on October 14, 2012, 04:42:58 AM



Title: Clipse
Post by: MrTeal on October 14, 2012, 04:42:58 AM
Back on July 16th, Clipse announced changed to his Bonus Pool where miners could either continue with regular payouts or begin investing. He did not indicate he had any Pirate risk.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1034434#msg1034434

When the Pirate default went down, Clipse stopped paying all miners, both investment and regular. At that time, he posted that investment miners would be would down and regular miners would be unaffected. An update on August 27th was promised
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1107975#msg1107975

On August 27th, Clipse posted that he was unable to pay until the end of September, but would pay out 120% PPS on all balances up to August 29th, and 130% PPS between Sept 1 and Oct 31. At this time he continued to extoll people to mine on his pool.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1137972#msg1137972

After this, he didn't provide updates to his miners, other than a few posts here and there requesting people keep sending hashing power his way.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.1400
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105866.msg1166523#msg1166523
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105866.msg1167556#msg1167556

Clipse's last post detail his plan to pay out the first batch of payments between Mon Oct 1 and Wed Oct 3, while also claiming he would be out of town until the 12th-13th of October.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105866.msg1230866#msg1230866

Payments never went out, and Clipse has not provided any further updates despite logging in on Oct 9th.

At this point, Clipse owes me BTC9.43239294 at 120% PPS for non-investment mining between August 15th and August 31st.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: juggalodarkclow on October 14, 2012, 01:33:53 PM
posting this screen shot for public record (glad I grabbed this before the site went down)
I was a non-investment miner


http://imageshack.us/a/img138/1719/bonuspoolunpaid.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/bonuspoolunpaid.jpg/)



Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 14, 2012, 01:48:10 PM
I didn't see this one until now so you can forget this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118390.0 and post here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878 Here is Clipse saying that miner funds do not go into BTCST.

He owes me ~170BTC and that does not include the 20% extra he promised.

Pool is down and Clipse is long gone after his long con  :D

http://bonuspool.co.cc/stats.php
188.227.173.124

https://blockchain.info/ip-address/188.227.173.124

I suggest that we don't discuss any important things in public. Skype group?


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 14, 2012, 04:02:18 PM
He owes me ~109.284582638 BTC. Also, http://www.bonuspool.co.cc/stats.php just went offline today.

http://i.imgur.com/zGVdT.jpg


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Inaba on October 14, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
He owes me about 231 BTC.

http://communityhosting.net/ih/thumbs/bonuspool.jpg (http://communityhosting.net/ih/?v=bonuspool.jpg)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Azelphur on October 14, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 14, 2012, 04:43:26 PM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Azelphur on October 14, 2012, 05:01:43 PM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878

Yea, this guy needs a scammer tag for that alone.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: gmaxwell on October 14, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878
Going down at the same time as pirate doesn't prove he was using pirate. He could have been using zeekrewards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program#Zeek_Rewards) directly.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 14, 2012, 05:33:07 PM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878
Going down at the same time as pirate doesn't prove he was using pirate. He could have been using zeekrewards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_investment_program#Zeek_Rewards) directly.

Clipse has clearly stated that funds were put into BTCST. I would quote but the thread is locked
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg707188#msg707188

"After a week of negotiations surrounding this mess that I am fully to blame for, well aside from the fact BTCST should have paid out by now"

"All details above would be sorted out ahead of time if BTCST funds gets paid out before end of October and if BTCST payout ahead of time I will update the total extra interest to accomodate the earlier payouts but it will be in daily proportions on interest. "

"The plan above is to ensure that if BTCST doesnt payout before end of October or worst case never pays out then atleast I can get everyone their funds back even though it would cost me alot out of my pockets and all my contract profits in the process. "



Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: psilan on October 14, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
http://iforce.co.nz/i/arpdpfpb.mbo.png

Owes me too, ignoring emails.
Approx 5.5 BTC + interest from 18th July.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: juggalodarkclow on October 16, 2012, 12:19:05 AM
Another day passes and yet, no coins. C'mon Clipse, you're better than this.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: usagi on October 16, 2012, 05:38:04 AM
Wow, Clipse was a scammer huh. Go figure!  ROTFL

I guess it doesn't help that Clipse has a really bad rep on IRC for being a jerk.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: roomservice on October 16, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Clipse owes me 19 BTC...


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: btcwalker on October 16, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
~40BTC and that does not include the extra percents he promised.

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/2619/20121012o.png (http://imageshack.us/a/img856/2619/20121012o.png)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: ddd1 on October 16, 2012, 01:46:56 PM
I have about 28BTC in bonuspool... I have a screenshot somewhere on my harddrives.

Either way I'm assuming they are gone forever.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Danilo on October 16, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
~ 100btc...I saved screenshot from bonuspool payment page on my HDD.
Here is his ip address
http://www.iptrackeronline.com/index.php?ip_address=196.209.243.169
Perhaps this leads to Internet service providers but may be of help.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Turbor on October 16, 2012, 06:01:10 PM
I guess it doesn't help that Clipse has a really bad rep on IRC for being a jerk.

Just hot air :D.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Xfinity on October 16, 2012, 07:48:20 PM
Around 5 BTC + interest (since aug 13), luckily I only sent my former office rig (1.5 GH/s) towards Bonuspool.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: ajstar on October 16, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
I'm short of approximately 30 BTCs...

http://s15.postimage.org/acwojinvr/bonuspool_final_a.png (http://postimage.org/image/acwojinvr/)

http://s15.postimage.org/c5zl7u92f/bonuspool_final_b.png (http://postimage.org/image/c5zl7u92f/)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: theymos on October 17, 2012, 12:39:57 AM
Please post quotes of the specific promises he made and broke.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Math Man on October 17, 2012, 01:07:34 AM
Clipse owes me 173.7156706 plus interest as described in Clipse's posts below.

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r524/m47h_m4n/bonuspool_2012-10-03_3-Copy.jpg

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1034434#msg1034434 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1034434#msg1034434)
Code:
NEW CHANGES STARTING WEDNESDAY 18 JULY 00:00:00 :

I have done everything I can to keep the extra incentives rolling month after month however my personal dealings with BTC sales have dropped down to near zero and the markups I can get from my regular clients have decreased alot since the BTC price increase which in turn is causing me to run Bonuspool with the current payout at a loss for over a month now. I wasnt concerned about this since I had a decent buffer and figured I would let it ride and see if there is a change in market conditions but unfortunately not much changed except me starting to payout continously from my own funds.

From July 18 I will start to take the first steps towards the future of Bonuspool which would atleast ensure its survival at better rates than any other PPS pool. The following changes will be handled manually until the end of August when the new website will be up and fully functional and so the pool will move out of Beta and ready for direct public signups.

All users who remain between now and public Signup(1 September) will be given extra perks such as access to an additional Jackpot Fund where only they will get extra rewards from as a way for me to say thanks for their ongoing support through the changes.

I will not be flagging users for hashrate variances any more with the new changes even though I would obviously appreciate it if users would remain as dedicated as they have been over the last 6 months. There is one caveat, users will still need to inform me if they wish to increase their hashrate so that I can make the neccesary poolwide adjustments in case any is needed at the time so when you signup please provide me with an accurate maximum hashrate.

From the Wednesday July 18 payment cycle onwards there will be 2 types of accounts on the pool. Feel free to PM/email me if the below details doesnt explain the setup well enough for you, I am sure some users will find it confusing at first so please contact me with whatever questions you may have.

Regular Miners:

Quote

This would be ideal for users who doesnt want funds held up for a week at a time however they will get penalised with a fee if they request withdrawals before payment date, even with the fee this offer is the best PPS with allmost-immediate payout option available and even more value is added with the Weekly Jackpot draw which can earn most miners 2x their regular weekly earnings if they are the lucky winner.

Earnings:

101% PPS rate (extra 1% effectively means we pay for stales since the avg user had <1% stales over the last month)
Payment cycle Wednesday 00:00:00 UCT+2 - Tuesday 23:59:59 UCT+2

Requesting withdrawal before end of Payment cycle(Full balance only):

Next day withdrawal (1% fee) :
Request funds between 00:00:01 UCT+2 - 14:59:59 UCT+2 and I will process the withdrawal before the next day 23:59:59 UCT+2 , if I am unable/unavailable and the payment isnt made in time then I will process it at 0% fee.

* Withdrawal will be processed for the full balance in your account at the time you send the request, if more BTC were mined after requesting withdrawal that will remain in your account.

Send email from your signup email with the following details:

Subject: Withdrawal [Full balance]
Content: pool miner name


Investment Miners:

Quote
This is meant for users who doesnt need access to their funds regulary and would prefer to let balance grow with interest over a maximum of 4 payment cycles which would yield an extra 11% interest on their investment.

For those of you with a payment due on 18 July, I will use their current balance as the first investment balance payable on 25 July . This first investment will earn users much more than the following investments considering the balance came from 110% PPS.

Investment Earnings:

I used to sell newly minted blocks at a premium and right now I would be looking for the same liquidity but for use in the market on various projects I am working on. I still sell some small volume of new blocks but the request for such a service have died down tremendously with the rise of BTC price.

* Everyone with a balance due for payment on Wednesday July 18 will have their account marked to invest automaticly, please email me from your signup email to the email you received your pool details from before Wednesday if you dont wish to invest and I will pay your balance at normal payment time.

Rates:

All investments may only stack for 4 payment schedules, interest is calculated seperately on investment balance per payment cycle. Non compounded investment.

Payment cycle periods and interest :

For Cycle 1 - 2%
For Cycle 2 - 2.5%
For Cycle 3 - 3%
For Cycle 4 - 3.5%

Example: User invest their current payment due for 18 July for 4 weeks, user balance on initial investment is 50BTC, user earns the following:

Payment cycle 1 : 1 BTC interest on 50BTC
Payment cycle 2 : 1.25BTC interest on 50BTC
payment cycle 3 : 1.5BTC interest on 50BTC
Payment cycle 4 : 1.75BTC interest on 50BTC

Total interest over 4 payment cycles: 5.5BTC or 11% non-compounded interest over 4 payment cycles (roughly a month)

Each payment cycle earnings after the initial investment started will count as a seperate investment period, each investment period can only last 4 payment cycles before it is paid out in full.

* Rates may be adjusted periodicly but each investment will be honoured at the initiated investment rate. All investments are treated on a per payment cycle period thus if I need to adjust rates the user would know before the new payment cycle begin to determine if they want to extend their investment period.
* Investments will automaticly roll over up to 4 payment cycles unless Investor informs me that they want to withdraw at end of current payment cycle.
* I reserve the right to force payout of part or all the investment balance of user end of any payment cycle, the last thing I want to deal with is over-investments. I will do my best to inform the user of the forced payout that will occur.

Requesting withdrawal before end of Payment cycle(Full balance only):

Next day withdrawal for current running balance (1% fee) :
Request funds between 00:00:01 UCT+2 - 14:59:59 UCT+2 and I will process the withdrawal before the next day 23:59:59 UCT+2 , if I am unable/unavailable and the payment isnt made in time then I will process it at 0% fee.

Next day withdrawal for current investment balance (2% fee) :
Request funds between 00:00:01 UCT+2 - 14:59:59 UCT+2 and I will process the withdrawal before the next day 23:59:59 UCT+2 (Interest will be calculated at interest percentage / days invested) , , if I am unable/unavailable and the payment isnt made in time then I will process it at 0% fee.

Subject: Withdrawal [Full balance or Investment Balance] <--- please only indicate one of the 2 per email.
Content: pool miner name


Quote
Weekly Jackpot Fund:

Jackpot runs from Wednesday 00:00:00 UCT+2 - Tuesday 23:59:59 UCT+2, paid before the end of Wednesday 23:59:59 UCT+2
Winner takes all
Will use random.org to select the winner
Prizepool: I will seed the pool each week with a starting balance of 5BTC and the prizepool will increase with total_pool_shares_for_current_cycle * 0.05 * 100% PPS rate as of payment cycle starting date.

* All email requests stated above will be handled via the new website at the end of August, the current approach is temporary and there is finally actively development now on the new website.


What does it all mean ? Well, on average miners will not earn as much as they used to over the last 6 months however they will still earn more than other PPS pools and with the added BonusPool Jackpot weekly payout everyone stands an equal chance to win the accumulated weekly jackpot.

I am quite impressed that I had the chance to keep the rates between 110-115% PPS for 6months, initially I never expected the pool to grow this big over such a small period of time and I am thankful to all the dedicated miners support so far.

I really wanted to make the changes only at the end of August but unfortunately that wouldnt be possible and its also silly to shut the pool down until the new website is ready at the end of August.

Everyone mining atm or with a payment due for July 18 will be placed on Investment Miner by default so please email me if you have no need for investing your balance and I will promptly payout the balance due before Wednesday 23:59:59 UCT+2


Some users may not be reading this thread before the changes and so I will honour the payout that is due on Wednesday 18 July as soon as they email me even after the new payment cycle begins. Users will however just receive their normal payment that is due and no additional interest since they would be willing withdrawing from investing.

Im locking this thread until Sunday so that people wont comment and move the details out of sight for other users who dont keep up with this thread every single day.

If you wish to discuss anything with me please PM or email me, Please note that from now on I will only handle payment/withdrawal requests at the email you received your signup details from so please make sure to direct those queries there and make sure you email me from your own signup email.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1081737#msg1081737 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1081737#msg1081737)
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re-Invest percentage UPDATE :

For simplicity for myself and users with a running investment I have changed it to 2.6% weekly compounded rather than the specific per week interest rates.

I have no maximum duration for investment right now unlike what I initially had in place.

Those of you nearly finish with 4 weeks will still see same gains of ~11% and if you leave it for longer you would obviously see bigger gains than the initial fixed weekly rates.

If you want to know how much your initial investment is worth, look at the end date of each unpaid as your investment starting date and then simply add 2.6% on that initial balance compounded each week, this is something that would be made easier to monitor with new website.

I am not forcing out any automatic investment payouts at any period unless users request a withdrawal as some have done, this makes it much easier for me to manage and also easier for those of you who wants to decide on your own for how long funds should be invested without being forced out.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: stochastic on October 17, 2012, 02:22:34 AM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878

Yea, this guy needs a scammer tag for that alone.

For what? Lying that he has no funds in pirate or that he said he would not disclose his investment strategy.  He should have gotten a scammer tag when he claimed he won't disclose his investment strategies, at least in people's minds.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MrTeal on October 17, 2012, 02:28:14 AM
He owes me around 50, and I'm pretty sure I think I recall him at some point saying he uses his own methods and not pirate for investments.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878

Yea, this guy needs a scammer tag for that alone.

For what? Lying that he has no funds in pirate or that he said he would not disclose his investment strategy.  He should have gotten a scammer tag when he claimed he won't disclose his investment strategies, at least in people's minds.
It's not just investment miners though, Clipse has also run on off with the funds of those pool users who haven't agreed to be part of an investment scheme.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: joyyen on October 17, 2012, 01:57:19 PM
I lost approximately 35 btc on bonuspool


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: psilan on October 17, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
These are our emails. Bold is clipse.

28 Aug

to Clipse
Hi,

Can you please pay out the money owing to the address below?

miner: psilan

14PbrZ33cNnQymBpWvrjmomyyDqPdKT1wu

Investing in that ponzi was not something I condoned and was not aware of.
It is not a huge amount, but it pays my power bill. I think it is fair you pay this out.

Thanks

---
   
29 Aug

to Clipse
Hi again,

No news on this?

Thanks,

---


29 Aug

to me
Heya

As I stated in my last post, everyone is asking for payouts which I simply cant make at this point.

I need to follow the process outlined in my post, thats the only way I can pay everyone at the same time without picking favourites which will just cause additional pressure from everyone asking why X got paid and not them.

Im sorry that it has come to this, I tried to explain the situation as best as possible and I understand you will be pissed off at me rightfully so but until this is resolved according the the steps in my posts I will just have to eat up all the hatemail / frustration mail I receive in the meantime. :(

Regards


---

29 Aug

to Clipse
Hi,

I'm just going by your last email to me;

"Well at next cycle you get full interest and zero fees so I would guess thats what you would prefer so will take note to send the funds to you then."

This is what I thought was happening, and it is outside of this new policy you have created. I stopped mining quite a while ago.

Thanks,

---

29 Aug

to me
Hi

Im sorry for the confusing caused by that email, I send that out before I heard the crappy news from BTCST and only after that I made the new plans to get everyone coins back.

It seems overlapping but you can check that I send you the email on the 17th well before pirate suddenly shutdown BTCST leaving me with an empty bag as it is.

Again I know this sucks and I lost alot of not all credibility during this but for what its worth Im trying to redeem myself through this mess with the repayment plan stated and I simply cant do anything else/better about the situation.

Regards


---

29 Aug

to Clipse
Hi,

No offence but your plans look so shady. Paying miners 130% to pay back other miners...
Also having admin power to lock your own threads to avoid bad press.

I think this is extremely unfair and you are going back on your word.

---

29 Aug

to me
Hi

Please read my whole post and explaination, I am not having miners mine so I can use their earnings to pay back other miners.

Locking the thread is to keep myself sane, miners who have issues can contact me via email and everyone so far have been pretty calm over this and understanding which I appreciate.

Im offering 130% since thats the price i would get on the mined contracts once they mature (finished mining) and if I lose miners/the pool right now then I cant finish the contracts and everyone would either lose out or get paid over a much longer period.

I am genuinely doing the best I can in this situation and unlocking the thread will have no positive outcomes in this situation since there is more than enough people hanging around just to thread crap any bad situation.

Regards

---

29 Aug

to Clipse
I did read the whole post, that is why I emailed you. The post goes back on our agreement.
I honestly thought you would be a man/woman of your word.

I'm sure all the other miners didn't have this same agreement.

Thanks,

---

14 Oct (4 days ago)

to Clipse
Hi there,

I was expecting payment. Wondering what the hold-up is.

Thanks,


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: iCEBREAKER on October 17, 2012, 08:50:02 PM
Clipse was operating a pool that was merged (sans user consent) with a Pirate Pass Though fund.  That alone is sufficient to warrant the scammer label.

When questioned Clipse both denied and confirmed this was true, throwing up a smokescreen of confusing, prickish verbage as usual.

Upon pirate's default, Clipse doubled-down and resolved to cover his losses by borrowing other people's shares at the absurd rate of 130%.

Of course that didn't work out and now we have another little melodrama to enjoy.

Anyone who sent shares to an obvious scam run by a humorless jerk like Clipse deserves this valuable (and thus expensive) lesson.

Clipse: from Hero to Zero.  Now playing at the BTCForum Theater.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Azelphur on October 17, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
Please post quotes of the specific promises he made and broke.

He originally told everyone he didn't put miners earnings in BS&T, and now says that he can't pay people back because BS&T isn't paying out.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.msg1040878#msg1040878
Quote
No I dont put the mining funds directly in BTCST

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.0
Quote
After a week of negotiations surrounding this mess that I am fully to blame for, well aside from the fact BTCST should have paid out by now

Clipse runs a mining pool with bonus PPS payouts, however, the website is down, the pool itself is down, Clipse is nowhere to be seen. The money that we mined is currently being held by Clipse. He currently owes me around 50 BTC, although I can't be sure as I can't login to the website (since it's down) to find out.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 17, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
Please post quotes of the specific promises he made and broke.

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60717.0

Quote
POOL FUNDS UPDATE AND REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS :

After a week of negotiations surrounding this mess that I am fully to blame for, well aside from the fact BTCST should have paid out by now, I need to breakdown my plans on paying back all outstanding pool earnings.

Right now I still have private contracts to finish which would yield me the final payments on them as soon as they clear, these contracts are due for final payment by the end of September and the final amounts by the end of October which means the following:

1.) In order for me to get the remaining outstanding payments on the contract I need to keep the pool running with miners otherwise its clear that I wouldnt be able to finish these contracts which in return wouldnt pay me the final payments.
2.) All unpaid balances up to 29th of August for each miner will be paid out at total combined unpaid balance + 20% (this is an interest tax I am paying extra which would effectively be covered by my 20% market on sold contracts) and this will be paid out before/on September 30th.
3.) All unpaid balances between 29 August - 31 October will be paid out in full by the end of 31 October and I will be paying out at total unpaid balance + 30% which would effectively clear me out of BTC from contract earnings but also make good in total on all unpaid balances and earn some extra BTC for everyone(especially the users who likely hate me at this point)
4.) On the 31st of October if there is BTC still outstanding I will make good on that by buying the BTC so that everyone will be paid up in full on their past mining.
5.) Until this mess is cleared up by no later than October 31st, the new website is put on hold and if I can still have the trust of miners at that time after they see I made good on my promises I will launch the new website and take things forward from that point on. I have definitely learned out of this process and history wont repeat itself.
6.) At this point I am not making any BTC payouts, I know there is a few with small balances but when I start pick and choosing with not enough BTC at this point to payout to everyone this mess will just get more out of hand. All I can ask of everyone with balances is to remain calm and expect their full earnings paid out no later than the process above.
7.) Starting on the 29th of September I will place all miners on 130% PPS so that their earnings would allready reflect each week what they would receive at the end when I make the payouts.


All details above would be sorted out ahead of time if BTCST funds gets paid out before end of October and if BTCST payout ahead of time I will update the total extra interest to accomodate the earlier payouts but it will be in daily proportions on interest.

The plan above is to ensure that if BTCST doesnt payout before end of October or worst case never pays out then atleast I can get everyone their funds back even though it would cost me alot out of my pockets and all my contract profits in the process.

I accept responsibility for this loss since it was my stupidity which got us in this mess.

Now I need to ask from all miners to help me out at this point so that the pool doesnt grind to a halt and cause potentially even more problems with the above payouts considering it will work out as stated above as long as I can finish the running contracts which wont be a problem as long as miners continue to mine.

If you cant afford to wait such long periods for BTC payments as outlined above I would understand but if you can spare a portion of your regular mining power for the duration of this process it would go a long way to fix this situation.


I know some of you might ask me why cant I pay out the earnings since last friday when BTCST shutdown and the answre to that is actually quite simple, through the year I allways paid from my own personal BTC stash for the duration of contract and replenished my BTC stash as soon as the contracts were fully paid.

While a contract runs I direct my pool traffic to the bitcoind of the buyer so that they can have their clean virgin blocks and the buyer pays me in fiat, partially at the start of the contract and the majority at the end of the contract.

Now obviously I dont have my own BTC stash to make the regular payouts since I moved that to BTCST right before this whole BTCST shutdown occurred which left me dry and BTCless however I do have a good portion of fiat which I would move to buy BTC on the 31st of October for whatever outstanding balance still remains.

I am confident that if miners work together with me during this process they will come ahead with their extra percentages as stated above and I would be able to make good on the outstanding balances.


Id like to keep this thread unlocked but due to all the delays and problems caused by the BTCST shutdown I really dont want a thread full of spam stating the very obvious such as, "How could you be so stupid" etc. , I have outlined my plan of reimbursement and I will stick to that and if miners work together with me on this it would run according to plan and problably even faster.

I really appreciate the fact that a big group of miners have kept their calm through this even though its a difficult situation.

Feel free to get back onto the pool with either your full hashrate or partial hashrate if you are happy with the process outlined above, the more hashing power I have on the pool the sooner I can finish the outstanding contracts.

Email/PM me in the meantime if you wish to talk more about the process, I can unfortunately not change what have happened and the only solution right now is the process outlined above so please when you contact me there is no point asking me for payouts etc. since I will not be able to give you a earlier payout date even if I wanted.

For those of you who want to make use of the higher PPS rates I will be paying you are welcome to signup with the normal details and help out during this process of reimbursement.

Bold parts are the reimbursement details. He used to pay out once a week (at first it was 110% PPS, then dropped to 101% PPS once pool stabalized), and then this was announced right after he stopped paying miners. He then took his pool offline and hasn't been seen since. We haven't heard from him in about 2 weeks, going on 3.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: John (John K.) on October 18, 2012, 03:21:44 AM
Just popping in to say that he has approximately 12~BTC of mine too.

He broke his contract with us.

Just need to note that that updater is slow atm and it may refresh stats showing 0 shares while importing, if you try refresh stats a bit later you will notice it showing shares.

I will have this sorted out on wednesday and until now thought I had it fixed but noticed it slowing down on importing recently.

Payments will be going out sometime between monday and wednesday night, I will be away for 2 weeks, maybe less, but have instructed my friend to handle the payouts and monitor the pool while I am unavailable to keep an eye. When I get back around the 12-13th Oct I will deal with any pool issues that he couldnt deal with in case there is any.

Those of you who notice strange share count from 19th to 25th Sept, I will have a look at the shares for that period and have Jonathan(he will keep an eye on the pool) reset the pool and adjust the shares this coming wednesday to reflect the proper shares in case I notice anything actually being incorrect.





Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: smoothie on October 18, 2012, 09:19:46 AM
Clipse is a douche and a scammer as obviously has been pointed out.

It's so funny that on top of being a dick he is a pussy and a scammer.

I may be a troll, but I am not scammer that's for sure.

Hey Clipse, you should take all those BTCs you owe these people and send it to pirate. I'm sure he will pay you 7% per week per his agreement...oh wait...he scammed you!

Scammer scamming another scammer.....pure comedy!

 :D


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: iCEBREAKER on October 18, 2012, 08:01:22 PM
Clipse is a douche and a scammer as obviously has been pointed out.

It's so funny that on top of being a dick he is a pussy and a scammer.

Scammer scamming another scammer.....pure comedy!

 :D

Ha-ha, very funny.  Clipse won't be laughing when the Bitcoin Police (TM) catch up with him!

http://i.imgur.com/uvXPu.jpg


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: blakdawg on October 18, 2012, 11:58:09 PM
This guy clearly deserves a "colorful offshore libertarian" tag.



Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: fbastage on October 19, 2012, 03:26:08 PM
I thought it was called the 'Jurisdictional Arbitragist' tag


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: psilan on October 20, 2012, 04:23:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=soptHu5b6D8

Look forward to this video....


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 20, 2012, 10:43:50 AM
FOUND HIM!!!

Fuck yeah! :D

I have to go to lunch with my family but I'll make skype group today and we will discuss this there. I don't want Clipse to see what we have for him :)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 20, 2012, 11:01:07 AM
I think he will be in Thailand soon...

He has relatives :)

And to be honest, the more info I find on him the more of a looser he seems to be. I don't think that kind of guy is ready to change his life that quickly.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: btcwalker on October 20, 2012, 12:34:57 PM
FOUND HIM!!!

Fuck yeah! :D

I have to go to lunch with my family but I'll make skype group today and we will discuss this there. I don't want Clipse to see what we have for him :)

wow!

It happened. It gives us small chance to get money back.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 20, 2012, 03:13:46 PM
I asked for IP details from theymos..

I don't give out such info unless I'm 100% sure someone is guilty, which I'm not in this case.

Skype group created, contact me in PM (include your skype name) if you want to be added there.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 20, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
FOUND HIM!!!

Fuck yeah! :D

I have to go to lunch with my family but I'll make skype group today and we will discuss this there. I don't want Clipse to see what we have for him :)


you sir are my hero :)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: psilan on October 20, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
So what does theymos want to be 100%? Sounds odd.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 20, 2012, 09:43:34 PM
So what does theymos want to be 100%? Sounds odd.

I was wondering that too. It's pretty obvious that we were scammed.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MrTeal on October 20, 2012, 09:58:26 PM
I can only assume the remaining question is whether he's really run or whether he's just out of touch but still intends to pay us back.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 20, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
So what does theymos want to be 100%? Sounds odd.

I was wondering that too. It's pretty obvious that we were scammed.

That "pretty obvious" is why theymos doesn't publish anything. When there is even the slightest chance that something has happened to clipse and this is not intentional, he can't publish IP addresses. I do understand his POV but I also think we have enough evidence.

Clipse misses deadline, site goes offline, he doesn't log in. But like theymos himself said it's not 100% sure that he stole our coins.

I already presented my plan to get enough evidence and theymos said it might be enough. We will see what happens.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: psilan on October 20, 2012, 10:34:04 PM
It doesn't matter where clipse is. He fabricated "Jonathan" who would look after the pool and make payments.
This person did not exist.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Vandroiy on October 20, 2012, 10:49:03 PM
I asked for IP (...)

Here's something from 2012-07-15: 196-215-128-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za (Edit: sorry, I misread the log by two days.)

A trace the same day went over 196-210-147-1.dynamic.isadsl.co.za, so I guess it really was that provider.

If it's a proxy, he would probably have used the same for the forums. South Africa would be somewhat credible given a quick sample of his posting times, I didn't go through the hassle of plotting them though.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 21, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
Just quoting Clipse and putting this in the scam accusation thread also:

Sorry about the delay for this post but let me get the story straight on what happened.

I was away since my last post until the 15th of October and before I left I asked a friend to take care of the bitcoin payments while I am gone since I was waiting for the payment from client who were mined for to purchase the coins.

On the 7th Jonathen phoned me and told me that there is no LR payment yet and he cant buy coins to payout to miners, I told him that if its not in tomorrow he should tell me.

On the 8th of October I still didnt receive any payment for the last batch of mining that I planned to pay out to the miners but was reassured that it will be paid before the 15th of October and that it will be for September+October(I have had late payments before from clients so this wasnt new)

I got back on the 15th of October to the following situation:

- My dedicated server is down.
- Email hosted on the server is down.
- I log into my server host control panel and notice that my billing details have been wiped(still dont know why or who could have done this) and the server got cancelled for non-payment.
- Billing for server was due on the 14th of October.
- Ultimately server got wiped and all content of miners/bitcoind related stuff etc.
- I tried to find a backup of the wallet but the only 2 wallet backups that I have doesnt contain any of the transactions of the old wallet so all I can think is that I didnt have a valid backup for that main wallet.

I freaked out just getting back and then all this but atleast I knew I havnt bought coins yet so I logged into libertyreserve and still NO PAYMENT, at this time I didnt know wtf to do which is why I havnt responded here yet.

I tried to get hold of my client for days now with no response, he pretty much vanished.

This is where I am at right now, lost all my own bitcoins to btcst in september + miner coins and this time around trying to make things right with everyone I ended up not getting paid by client(Who I cant get hold of)

I first wanted to figure out whats going on before posting this since I didnt want to bring more bad news but there is simply nothing more I can do to rectify this, the only way to resolve this still is if btcst still end up paying coins back but thats likely a longshot. :(

I dont know what else to add here, I know some people are highly pissed off at me but ultimately if I could fix this I would but thats just not possible since I dont have the funds to make any of the payments.

Not getting paid and then also getting robbed for the last $$$ I had available put me in a huge hole aswell and since I got back I needed help from a friend since none of this was financially planned and fucked me over bigtime.

There was no intention of me to get in this situation, btcst situation was the only reason I took on the recovery client(I was desperate to make things right for everyone) who I dealt with for most of the year and then this client also fucks me over.

Now whatever people want to think of me is not something I can control, I really didnt want to end up in this situation but thats what happened and I cant change the current outcome.

I made a ton of good friends since joining this forum, alot of them were miners with bonuspool and this ordeal left a huge hole the way it turned out.

This is a really shit situation and ultimately a royal fuckup where the end result is leaving everyone (Including me) out of bitcoins.

All I can do at this point is apologise and sincerely hope people will understand and if possible(I will definitely try) reimburse everyone in the future, there is just no way for me to specify any potential date and disapoint people again.

Again, if pirate@40/btcst can grow a conscience and pay what they owe me through bitcoinmax then I can still 100% fix this situation even though thats not likely. :/

I will check in every other day to see if there is any update regarding BTCST payments. I wont login and respond to personal threats, after all this crap I dont have the energy to deal with death threats or other crazy threats and I will simply forward to the proper authorities.

I tried my best to get everyone to earn more from mining and it went well for the whole year however ultimately this all fell apart and threatening me with no positive outcome is counterproductive.



Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: uuidman on October 21, 2012, 01:28:22 AM
He owes me 320 btc and thats not including the 20% extra.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: LoupGaroux on October 21, 2012, 03:26:26 AM
Oh my. This is not a very cool way to handle things. It sort of sounds just like the same old bullshit from a scammer. Server got hacked? Check. Anonymous friend shafted you? Check. Wallets mysteriously corrupted and unrecoverable? Check.

Okay, same old story.

Clipse- you owe me around 15 btc. You have my payment address, I expect to get paid. I gave you all the time you asked for and have remained courteous with you, but this story is just truly not acceptable.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 22, 2012, 08:03:08 AM
Clipse's real name is Neil Roelofse.

I can tell you that he was not robbed/hacked whatever. This was planned well before Clipse's trip and all this drama. He thinks he can steal almost 2k BTC and get away with it.

A week or two from now I will start posting this story and his personal info on every forum where he has posted. Good luck finding a job after I'm done with you.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: gnpeer on October 22, 2012, 02:37:04 PM
here is my unpaid history too. Not s much as yours but still...
http://screenshooter.net/data/uploads/un/xh/dqvu.jpg


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Vandroiy on October 22, 2012, 02:59:49 PM
Sorry, I got the date on that recorded host wrong. If anyone saved it, 196-215-128-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za was recorded on 2012-07-15, not the 13th!

I double on the "not robbed/hacked", simply because this was the expected way to shut down the "Bonus Pool". Only question that remains to me is how well he was connected to Pirateat40, e.g. whether pool users provided laundered coins and Clipse just chose to keep a few dirty ones while he was at it. I still can't believe that it worked to claim paying the bonus by subsidizing mining with a magical own mining farm.

I have my own mining farm thats been running since last year June currently at 50Gh so the extra 10-15% coins paid to miners would come from my own mined coins.

I mean, come on, the explanation was that he was giving you his own mined coins? ???

Insulting me seemed to be his pastime back in the day, that's how I knew about him in the first place, so it's likely that coins were moving between BS&T and him one way or the other.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: smoothie on October 22, 2012, 07:40:45 PM
Lesson: If it sounds too good to be true, then it likely is.

If you can't remember that, then please keep getting scammed. Goat is a great example of this guys. Learn from his dumbass mistakes.  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 22, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
Lesson: If it sounds too good to be true, then it likely is.

If you can't remember that, then please keep getting scammed. Goat is a great example of this guys. Learn from his dumbass mistakes.  :D :D :D


Problem here is that scammers think the law doesn't apply to them since they use bitcoin (non-reversible transactions)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 22, 2012, 10:21:35 PM
Lesson: If it sounds too good to be true, then it likely is.

If you can't remember that, then please keep getting scammed. Goat is a great example of this guys. Learn from his dumbass mistakes.  :D :D :D


You should only deal with people in your local area so you can make a police report and there is some chance of getting justice - which is probably 0 anyway because cops dont even investigate burglaries lol.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: dmcurser on October 23, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
well i know from first hand that they wont press charges against someone that has defrauded you unless you live in the same state.they say something about blah blah state line blah blah.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 23, 2012, 01:31:58 PM
well i know from first hand that they wont press charges against someone that has defrauded you unless you live in the same state.they say something about blah blah state line blah blah.

then you need to get the feds involved. FBI... odds are its then mail or wire fraud.

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: AndrewBUD on October 23, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
well i know from first hand that they wont press charges against someone that has defrauded you unless you live in the same state.they say something about blah blah state line blah blah.

then you need to get the feds involved. FBI... odds are its then mail or wire fraud.

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx


Did you click on that link and try to file a report?

No option for willingly let him keep my money? 


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Azelphur on October 25, 2012, 05:47:59 PM
Did anything come of the conversations in Skype? I don't have Skype.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Xfinity on October 26, 2012, 12:52:02 PM
Did anything come of the conversations in Skype? I don't have Skype.

Yes I am curious as well. Any update?


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: MXRider on October 26, 2012, 06:13:48 PM
Did anything come of the conversations in Skype? I don't have Skype.

Yes I am curious as well. Any update?

Not really. Same things are posted here.

Clipse took our coins and is now trying to fuck us over with that hacker story. Research shows that his name is Neill Roelofse, 27 and he lives in Cape Town, Bellville.

At this point there is not much to do. I've already accepted that I don't ever see my coins again. What Clipse doesn't understand is that this is not over. You stole almost 20k$ from us.
- I will contact every Roelofse who lives in South Africa and I will explain this to them and ask if they know you
- I will do my best to get South African police to understand what happened.
- I will post this story to every forum where you have posted and where you are going to post in the future
- I will make a website with all the info I have on you, telling people what you did
- I will hire someone to mess up your life.

Have a nice life you scum. (go ahead, find me and sue me)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Morblias on October 26, 2012, 07:26:18 PM
Did anything come of the conversations in Skype? I don't have Skype.

Yes I am curious as well. Any update?

Not really. Same things are posted here.

Clipse took our coins and is now trying to fuck us over with that hacker story. Research shows that his name is Neill Roelofse, 27 and he lives in Cape Town, Bellville.

At this point there is not much to do. I've already accepted that I don't ever see my coins again. What Clipse doesn't understand is that this is not over. You stole almost 20k$ from us.
- I will contact every Roelofse who lives in South Africa and I will explain this to them and ask if they know you
- I will do my best to get South African police to understand what happened.
- I will post this story to every forum where you have posted and where you are going to post in the future
- I will make a website with all the info I have on you, telling people what you did
- I will hire someone to mess up your life.

Have a nice life you scum. (go ahead, find me and sue me)

Does anyone have his family/relatives information from before he deleted his facebook account? I would love to message every Roelofse letting them know what Neill did also.


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: Xfinity on October 27, 2012, 08:04:10 AM
Did anything come of the conversations in Skype? I don't have Skype.

Yes I am curious as well. Any update?

Not really. Same things are posted here.

Clipse took our coins and is now trying to fuck us over with that hacker story. Research shows that his name is Neill Roelofse, 27 and he lives in Cape Town, Bellville.

At this point there is not much to do. I've already accepted that I don't ever see my coins again. What Clipse doesn't understand is that this is not over. You stole almost 20k$ from us.
- I will contact every Roelofse who lives in South Africa and I will explain this to them and ask if they know you
- I will do my best to get South African police to understand what happened.
- I will post this story to every forum where you have posted and where you are going to post in the future
- I will make a website with all the info I have on you, telling people what you did
- I will hire someone to mess up your life.

Have a nice life you scum. (go ahead, find me and sue me)

Thanks for the recap, if you need any help just say the word!


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: juggalodarkclow on October 27, 2012, 08:17:15 PM
he's apparently big into bicycle riding http://www.cyclelab.com/public/newmembers.aspx?NewsLetterID=31

correct facebook account? https://www.facebook.com/neil.roelofse

posting these here in case the facebook page gets taken down

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/6938/clipse1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/clipse1.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img20/8746/clipse2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/clipse2.jpg/)

hope this helps


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: psilan on November 15, 2012, 07:22:44 PM
Sooooo nothing happened? :)


Title: Re: Clipse
Post by: dmcurser on November 15, 2012, 09:51:55 PM
no going to say not and it seems as if he hasnt been on the forum since his last post