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Title: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 20, 2015, 03:15:36 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Patejl on September 20, 2015, 03:17:24 PM
Meh could've been from a old exchange or someone withdrawing their cold wallet funds


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 20, 2015, 03:20:01 PM
Meh could've been from a old exchange or someone withdrawing their cold wallet funds
There were no exchange on February 2009. I doubt anyone heard about bitcoin then...


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Lauda on September 20, 2015, 03:25:05 PM
No. Why does everyone keep assuming that so many things have to do with satoshi? How about you do some research before actually making yet another useless thread on this forum?
This took me about ~1 minute to find. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/)


Some people knew about Bitcoin in 2009. You can close the thread since I've answered your question, unless you want people to spam it with useless replies.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Patejl on September 20, 2015, 03:29:28 PM
No. Why does everyone keep assuming that so many things have to do with satoshi? How about you do some research before actually making yet another useless thread on this forum?
This took me about ~1 minute to find. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/)


Some people knew about Bitcoin in 2009. You can close the thread since I've answered your question.
Lol seems doog got there first, so was my guess about someone taking out cold storage funds right? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7r1xv


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 20, 2015, 03:40:54 PM
No. Why does everyone keep assuming that so many things have to do with satoshi? How about you do some research before actually making yet another useless thread on this forum?
This took me about ~1 minute to find. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/)


Some people knew about Bitcoin in 2009. You can close the thread since I've answered your question, unless you want people to spam it with useless replies.
So you expect Satoshi to come and dance in front of you saying "I am Satoshi" ? In Feb 2009, there were hardly anyone knew about bitcoin other than Satoshi, Hal Finney and probably Sirius. You have any proof otherwise, I'd like to see them and verify...

Before giving me advice about what is useless and what not, remind yourself that you were banned for spamming...
Sure keep going. But please complain in the meta section about it if you got your ban. Ive seen it in the past, I pass it along to newbies, nothing else. If you think you know better, who am I to stop you?
You're talking nonsense. I've once avoided the section almost completely and still got banned.
It's not a matter of which section you post in, but how you post in it.
So, please stop making hilarious off-topic statements in this thread.



Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 20, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Of course, it's Satoshi. He just pretends to be a random dude to sell most of his 1.5M BTC before people start panicking.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Lauda on September 20, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
-snip-
This thread is pointless just as any other satoshi thread. End of story. Satoshi is gone. Just because some coins were moved from 2009 that does it was him/her/them. Speculation threads like these bear no result as they're based on zero evidence. They're just an attraction to the spammers (e.g. look at 'drama threads'). That person might and might not sign a message. It does not make much of a difference either (unless people know who is behind the alias).


P.S. Nice ad hominem while I was only trying to help you out. I wonder how long it took you to find this since the post is pretty old?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: ashour on September 20, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
How do we know that Satoshi owns those coins ? Could be an early adopter or someone who realized that he had mined bitcoins back in 2009 and now decided to dump them.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Franciem on September 20, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/19yp1LTz13D5GxbtC3rrBN6r2dJqxttZ16

246BTC hemmmm  ::)
let's see, are his comeback to dump or want to pump it


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinpr0n on September 20, 2015, 04:20:32 PM
How do we know that Satoshi owns those coins ? Could be an early adopter or someone who realized that he had mined bitcoins back in 2009 and now decided to dump them.

We don't know if they are Satoshi's. We do know that someone with a reddit name "btcthwy" (throwaway) moved them and is probably not Satoshi since talking on reddit would be pretty dangerous to his anonimity.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: White sugar on September 20, 2015, 04:21:46 PM
Any evidence that links the coins to him?

Who were the people mining at that time? I know in the beginning he was most of time alone, but not always alone


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: franckye on September 20, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Will bitcoin price go up for his back?  ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on September 20, 2015, 04:49:09 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Will bitcoin price go up for his back?  ;D

If you mean by going back => selling his coins then no he will probably dump (if he still own his adresses) and we will be all lost for good, Bitcoin will be worthless .
If he come back for helping and make the community grow and shit .. then yes .


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Amph on September 20, 2015, 04:50:41 PM
How do we know that Satoshi owns those coins ? Could be an early adopter or someone who realized that he had mined bitcoins back in 2009 and now decided to dump them.

or maybe someone has robbed satoshi wallet and he is preparing to dump a portion of his fortune

Any evidence that links the coins to him?

Who were the people mining at that time? I know in the beginning he was most of time alone, but not always alone

there was him and finney, and no other afaik


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: HI-TEC99 on September 20, 2015, 05:13:30 PM
Someone analysed the blockchain and used some highly technical tricks to work out how many coins Satoshi mined. His analysis mentions something called an extra nonce field that he says acts like a clock you could use to track a miner's blocks until he restarts his mining machine. I'm sure someone with the necessary technical skills could work out if those early coins that just moved were mined by Satoshi.

The guy who did the analysis says he's sure he's worked out which single miner mined most of the early coins, and that miner mined block 1, so as far as I'm concerned it must be Satoshi.

https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/

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Disclaimer: I can’t assure with 100% certainty that the all the black dots are owned by Satoshi, but almost all are owned by a single entity, and that entity began mining right from block 1, and with the same performance as the genesis block. It can be identified by constant slope segments that occasionally restart. Also this entity is the only entity that has shown complete trust in Bitcoin, since it hasn’t spend any coins (as last as the eye can see). I estimate at eyesight that Satoshi fortune is around 1M Bitcoins


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Brewins on September 20, 2015, 05:28:03 PM
If its really satoshi and he is preparing to dump his coins then we can see a big crash in bitcoin price but I doubt this is satoshi, there are many peoples who mined bitcoin in 2009 and it can be one of the early bitcoin miner, maybe he accidently found those wallets in his old PC


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Argwai96 on September 20, 2015, 05:29:51 PM
Pretty cool to actually see some of this coins move, either one of the first miners is dusting off their wallets or it could be the man it self.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on September 20, 2015, 05:40:53 PM
What the actual fuck ? Is it me or something is wrong here , how he sent that amount if he only have 50 BTC  ???

http://i.imgur.com/gKY0GzQ.png


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: 1echo on September 20, 2015, 05:46:51 PM
the guy posted on reddit, cant find thread tho


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: CEG5952 on September 20, 2015, 05:47:42 PM
What the actual fuck ? Is it me or something is wrong here , how he sent that amount if he only have 50 BTC  ???

http://i.imgur.com/gKY0GzQ.png

That one is from this address and not the actual address you're looking.

https://blockchain.info/address/1HUidFPHZ7cJ6WYmR8nMPQCmmE3mbVKYjM


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 20, 2015, 05:48:27 PM
What the actual fuck ? Is it me or something is wrong here , how he sent that amount if he only have 50 BTC  ???

http://i.imgur.com/gKY0GzQ.png

Click on the transaction. There are multiple inputs.
https://blockchain.info/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Mickeyb on September 20, 2015, 05:49:23 PM
the guy posted on reddit, cant find thread tho

Well maybe the guy that posted on reddit is Satoshi! :D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 20, 2015, 06:04:25 PM
If its really satoshi and he is preparing to dump his coins then we can see a big crash in bitcoin price but I doubt this is satoshi, there are many peoples who mined bitcoin in 2009 and it can be one of the early bitcoin miner, maybe he accidently found those wallets in his old PC

Input: Satoshi mined 19000 of first 20000 blocks. What odds that those were his coin?
Output: 19000 * 100% / 20000 = 95%


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: juiceayres on September 20, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Well if it is satoshi or an early adopter, they have the right to spend their coins as they want. Probably they bought a new headphone at newegg or something, using bitcoin as currency.

And the guy from Reddit did not prove anything yet.

 


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on September 20, 2015, 06:11:16 PM
doesnt matter if satoshi or not, its pretty cool to see the first coins moving after 6years  :P


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: randy8777 on September 20, 2015, 06:13:43 PM
If its really satoshi and he is preparing to dump his coins then we can see a big crash in bitcoin price but I doubt this is satoshi, there are many peoples who mined bitcoin in 2009 and it can be one of the early bitcoin miner, maybe he accidently found those wallets in his old PC

that's the thing. we don't know who that is. people are assuming too quickly these coins belong to satoshi. and if the coins do belong to him, so what?! if he wants to dump, then let him dump. it's a free market.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on September 20, 2015, 06:23:27 PM
hopefully he cant move the first Litecoins too  :P


bitcoin never gets boring  :D




Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on September 20, 2015, 06:32:29 PM
the guy posted on reddit, cant find thread tho

Well maybe the guy that posted on reddit is Satoshi! :D
thats exactly what i was thinking, hes just using an alias on reddit cuz satoshi still wants to remain anonymous.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on September 20, 2015, 06:34:22 PM
it could be Hals family members who move/sell the coins...just a theory.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Mickeyb on September 20, 2015, 06:38:50 PM
it could be Hals family members who move/sell the coins...just a theory.

Well there are not too many options if there were only Hal and Satoshi mining in this period of the time.

It's either:

1. Satoshi
2. Hal's people
3. Either of the 1 or 2 got hacked.
4. Either of the 1 or 2 sent some coins to some other person in 2009 and this person is now moving it's coins.

If somebody has additional theory, please feel free to add.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on September 20, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
Chuck Norris changed the Blockchain? It would be easy for him.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: criptix on September 20, 2015, 06:43:18 PM
it could be Hals family members who move/sell the coins...just a theory.

Im pretty sure they already did that.
I can remember his wife giving a interview where she stated such.

@OP

I dont think it is satoshi. If he ever would move the old coins it will be very fast.
At that point btc will either die or not giving a shit about it.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mavericklm on September 20, 2015, 06:44:19 PM
Chuck Norris changed the Blockchain? It would be easy for him.

Chuck Norris started using bitcoin! no wallets are safe! :D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 20, 2015, 06:53:01 PM
And the guy from Reddit did not prove anything yet.

He signed a message in another thread.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 20, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
4. Either of the 1 or 2 sent some coins to some other person in 2009 and this person is now moving it's coins.

Look at the address' transaction history.
All of the inputs are freshly minted coins, they don't come from another address.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 20, 2015, 07:11:41 PM
1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
ICpIXtEm8Pjg6DUo0lMScOloo/GF1Uj1Z2frbFShlVNRzUJdKhfqWBaPsueEvDCVIsH+HjLqqFWiPMg/kJyZk94=

How much do you own in total? People say around 1M BTC.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on September 20, 2015, 07:18:20 PM
1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
ICpIXtEm8Pjg6DUo0lMScOloo/GF1Uj1Z2frbFShlVNRzUJdKhfqWBaPsueEvDCVIsH+HjLqqFWiPMg/kJyZk94=

How much do you own in total? People say around 1M BTC.
i dont think hes satoshi, prolly got the address signature from reddit


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: yassin54 on September 20, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
ICpIXtEm8Pjg6DUo0lMScOloo/GF1Uj1Z2frbFShlVNRzUJdKhfqWBaPsueEvDCVIsH+HjLqqFWiPMg/kJyZk94=
Welcome satoshi!  :)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on September 20, 2015, 07:27:12 PM
1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
ICpIXtEm8Pjg6DUo0lMScOloo/GF1Uj1Z2frbFShlVNRzUJdKhfqWBaPsueEvDCVIsH+HjLqqFWiPMg/kJyZk94=
Welcome satoshi!  :)
http://i.imgur.com/VfhFAEX.jpg


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: lorylore on September 20, 2015, 07:29:06 PM
Where did these coins are from then?
No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins), was there any giveaway in 2009?
I am not well informed about that period of time.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: fkvidar on September 20, 2015, 07:29:25 PM
satoshi or not seems a good guy

"Going to hold onto the first block I mined if I can for sentimental value. Or eccentric billionaire wants it. I do like having the longest active wallet/chain"

https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy/comments/


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 20, 2015, 07:34:40 PM
Where did these coins are from then?
No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins), was there any giveaway in 2009?
I am not well informed about that period of time.
LMFAO. How much did it take to buy this Hero account ?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 20, 2015, 07:56:23 PM
Where did these coins are from then?
No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins), was there any giveaway in 2009?
I am not well informed about that period of time.

It means that they were mined.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: lorylore on September 20, 2015, 08:03:24 PM
Where did these coins are from then?
No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins), was there any giveaway in 2009?
I am not well informed about that period of time.

It means that they were mined.

I know that bitcoin is mined, but i was wondering if at 2009 was any giveaway.
And mining at that time was easy even with a laptop.
@GermanGiant good luck in growing your post count you are doing a good job man.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 20, 2015, 08:05:27 PM
Where did these coins are from then?
No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins), was there any giveaway in 2009?
I am not well informed about that period of time.

It means that they were mined.

I know that bitcoin is mined, but i was wondering if at 2009 was any giveaway.
And mining at that time was easy even with a laptop.
@GermanGiant good luck in growing your post count you are doing a good job man.

Are you a troll? Most likely people were giving away coins in 2009, but "No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins)" means that the coins are from a block reward.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: redsn0w on September 20, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Where did these coins are from then?
No Inputs (Newly Generated Coins), was there any giveaway in 2009?
I am not well informed about that period of time.

It means that they were mined.

I know that bitcoin is mined, but i was wondering if at 2009 was any giveaway.
And mining at that time was easy even with a laptop.
@GermanGiant good luck in growing your post count you are doing a good job man.


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Yep. Home on holidays and was bored. Lent some cycles to an interesting project.
Very profitable altruism. My pentium d 805 paid for itself many times over


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cv7nd7p


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: NorrisK on September 20, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
This makes you wonder if more coins from back in the day will start moving. Good cover if these are satoshis coins to do it in "small" batches and pretend to be someone different again and again ;)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: killerjoegreece on September 20, 2015, 08:47:11 PM
maybe these coins belong to someone else.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on September 20, 2015, 09:04:11 PM
maybe these coins belong to someone else.
who could they possibly belong too. no one else knew about btc in the 20first days


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: lorylore on September 20, 2015, 09:07:08 PM
maybe these coins belong to someone else.
who could be possibly belong too. no one else knew about btc in the 20first days

Maybe the satoshi nakamoto is selling his first bitcoins or trading in other coins???,

Something will happen maybe in near future, i am just speculating but this has a message for us.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 20, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
maybe these coins belong to someone else.
who could be possibly belong too. no one else knew about btc in the 20first days

Maybe satoshi is selling his first bitcoins or trading in other coins???,
Something will happen maybe in near future, i am just speculating but this has a message for us.
The person who sold has already said on reddit that this is not the first time he is selling. He sell coins when he needs money, not according to the price. This time he is selling to buy a new desktop computer, some Amazon credit, shop at Overstock and probably buy a new car.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7r4q6


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on September 20, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
We can't certainly know who knew or didn't knew about Bitcoin at that particular time. Sure, it was probably a small group of people, but it was open source already, it was out there, im sure there was an unknown group of enthusiasts back then that have nothing to do with satoshi or hal, the type of people that hang on irc or deep web or whatever and are tech geniuses, geeks etc.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinableS on September 20, 2015, 09:34:26 PM
No. Why does everyone keep assuming that so many things have to do with satoshi? How about you do some research before actually making yet another useless thread on this forum?
This took me about ~1 minute to find. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/)


Some people knew about Bitcoin in 2009. You can close the thread since I've answered your question, unless you want people to spam it with useless replies.

I hope to be like this and freak everyone out in 20 years when I move my cold storage coins.  :D :D

How many people from today will still be bitcoiners in 20 years? I'd say very few.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 20, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
No. Why does everyone keep assuming that so many things have to do with satoshi? How about you do some research before actually making yet another useless thread on this forum?
This took me about ~1 minute to find. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/)


Some people knew about Bitcoin in 2009. You can close the thread since I've answered your question, unless you want people to spam it with useless replies.

I hope to be like this and freak everyone out in 20 years when I move my cold storage coins.  :D :D

How many people from today will still be bitcoiners in 20 years? I'd say very few.

Do you mean 2036? Then holders will control the bitcoin world, not miners anymore. Because 93% of bitcoin will be mined by 2040. See - https://www.coinbase.com/charts [Bitcoin Money Supply]


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: ajareselde on September 20, 2015, 10:32:12 PM
No. Why does everyone keep assuming that so many things have to do with satoshi? How about you do some research before actually making yet another useless thread on this forum?
This took me about ~1 minute to find. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/)


Some people knew about Bitcoin in 2009. You can close the thread since I've answered your question, unless you want people to spam it with useless replies.

I hope to be like this and freak everyone out in 20 years when I move my cold storage coins.  :D :D

How many people from today will still be bitcoiners in 20 years? I'd say very few.

Do you mean 2036? Then holders will control the bitcoin world, not miners anymore. Because 93% of bitcoin will be mined by 2040. See - https://www.coinbase.com/charts [Bitcoin Money Supply]

What makes you think that hodlers and miners are not one and the same  ::)
Anyways it's say to see an old address getting emptied, that's how i knew this has nothing to do with satoshi.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: johnyj on September 20, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 20, 2015, 10:47:26 PM
The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm
How do you connect these two addresses?


And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test

WoW... 1432 BTC. That's huge. This single Tx moved thosands of coin mined in February 2009 with zero mining fee...

https://blockchain.info/tx/40a117f0010cfc83ff77bf9f973432c0a6aa917e688d23336fd92556ad8c270b


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: gentlemand on September 20, 2015, 10:51:01 PM

How many people from today will still be bitcoiners in 20 years? I'd say very few.

That's an intriguing question. Let's say Bitcoin is still around in 20 years, which is far from guaranteed. If you're here today that means you're taking a wild bet on the future and have a little bit of vision.

Unless you get divorced or become a crack addict you'd be pretty dumb to get rid of absolutely everything. Hopefully a shred of vision should remain. We know what happened to those who sold up in the early days. 


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: johnyj on September 20, 2015, 11:06:48 PM

How many people from today will still be bitcoiners in 20 years? I'd say very few.

That's an intriguing question. Let's say Bitcoin is still around in 20 years, which is far from guaranteed. If you're here today that means you're taking a wild bet on the future and have a little bit of vision.

Unless you get divorced or become a crack addict you'd be pretty dumb to get rid of absolutely everything. Hopefully a shred of vision should remain. We know what happened to those who sold up in the early days.  

Many p2p file sharing networks have been existing since 2000, and they will exist in foreseeable future. I don't think bitcoin will be any different, as long as its several major properties are intact


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: HI-TEC99 on September 20, 2015, 11:08:41 PM
The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


I found the address 1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm in the github code for btc-inquisitor.

https://github.com/mulllhausen/btc-inquisitor/blob/master/unit_tests.sh

The dev was using it in unit tests. The code says it was the first address to receive funds via a txout of the form OP_DUP OP_HASH160 ..... OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG, and that both the from-transaction and the too-transaction are in block 2812.

If that address really is the first one used in that form of transaction, then I imagine it must have belonged to someone deeply involved in Bitcoin coding and testing early on. It's unlikely someone trying out Bitcoin for kicks would control it as he wouldn't understand technical tricks like that.

Code:
# 1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm - the first address to receive funds via a txout of the form
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 6934efcef36903b5b45ebd1e5f862d1b63a99fa5 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
both the from-transaction and the too-transaction are in block 2812


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 20, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on September 21, 2015, 12:09:22 AM
/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
i think he's satoshi trying to hide his cover  :(


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingcolex on September 21, 2015, 12:41:36 AM
1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
ICpIXtEm8Pjg6DUo0lMScOloo/GF1Uj1Z2frbFShlVNRzUJdKhfqWBaPsueEvDCVIsH+HjLqqFWiPMg/kJyZk94=
Welcome satoshi!  :)
http://i.imgur.com/VfhFAEX.jpg
So claiming to just be an early adopter, I don't see the big deal and it doesn't matter if he is lying or not we shouldn't be focusing on other peoples coins.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 21, 2015, 12:50:53 AM
1JmRFyEQyVrDWojgxvCyeJ4M8X9ozjga22
"Just re-organising"
ICpIXtEm8Pjg6DUo0lMScOloo/GF1Uj1Z2frbFShlVNRzUJdKhfqWBaPsueEvDCVIsH+HjLqqFWiPMg/kJyZk94=
Welcome satoshi!  :)
http://i.imgur.com/VfhFAEX.jpg
So claiming to just be an early adopter, I don't see the big deal and it doesn't matter if he is lying or not we shouldn't be focusing on other peoples coins.
He is creating mystery. We are trying to unravel the truth. It is like trying to know your family history or your genetic history. Knowing that you can not probably change anything, but as Einstein once stated...

The most beautiful thing in the world is the mysterious :)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: achow101 on September 21, 2015, 01:04:12 AM
/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 21, 2015, 01:10:01 AM
/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?
He just said this...

Quote
Possibly in slashdot journals, which weren't indexed then (and now?).
Given what I limited myself to online, /. is most likely. Just searched thru email, nothing. Which I found odd. I may have deleted a lot of stuff though back in the dark days when space mattered.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/cv8iml2


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: achow101 on September 21, 2015, 01:34:42 AM
/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

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Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?
He just said this...

Quote
Possibly in slashdot journals, which weren't indexed then (and now?).
Given what I limited myself to online, /. is most likely. Just searched thru email, nothing. Which I found odd. I may have deleted a lot of stuff though back in the dark days when space mattered.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/cv8iml2
Unfortunately I couldn't find any articles from slashdat mentioning Bitcoin that far back. However, it is not unlikely for them to pick up something like this. Bitcoin was first announced with the whitepaper on November 1st 2008 with the first release of Bitcoin in January 09. This guy mined the Bitcoin in February. That means there was an entire 3 months for a story to be written about it and for people to learn about it. Looking back at the logs of the mailing list shows that there was a significant amount of discussion about bitcoin by multiple people even before the initial client release. There could have been multiple people mining Bitcoin soon after its initial release, not just Satoshi and Hal.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RGBKey on September 21, 2015, 02:02:17 AM
Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinpr0n on September 21, 2015, 06:06:53 AM
It's entirely possible that he did discover bitcoin on Slashdot in some comments. I don't think the comments are indexed all the time, don't know how you're searching for them.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: monsanto on September 21, 2015, 06:15:54 AM
Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.

http://i.imgur.com/HNIZmkS.gif


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: dothebeats on September 21, 2015, 06:20:27 AM
This is indeed a mystery on who this user is. I'm not entirely sure that /. even mention bitcoin that early (though maybe in the comments? I don't know). If one can actually find a comment nor a post relating to bitcoin in the late 2008 or early 2009 (not after the February 3, of course), we might actually have something to believe in this user's claims on where he first learned about bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Amph on September 21, 2015, 06:29:51 AM
Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.


not many other and anyway they mined a very small sample compared to satoshi

if the second or the third block reward will move you know at 100% that it's satoshi or someone with his wallet that is moving the coins


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: HI-TEC99 on September 21, 2015, 06:31:57 AM
/u/btcthwy on reddit said in response to the question How did you find out about bitcoin?

Quote
Slashdot probably. I was looking at zero knowledge proofs and someone mentioned bitcoin as an option.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln3sp/it_was_me/cv7qqsk

But, he mined block on February 3, 2009. Genesis block was mined on Januray 9, 2009. Slashdot has not published any article on bitcoin before February 3, 2009. And within 20 days of Genesis block mining, who can tell btcthwy about bitcoin as a zero knowledge proof system?

Things are really mysterious about this person /u/btcthwy.
Maybe he found out from the original source on the cypherpunks mailing list where Satoshi originally published Bitcoin?
He just said this...

Quote
Possibly in slashdot journals, which weren't indexed then (and now?).
Given what I limited myself to online, /. is most likely. Just searched thru email, nothing. Which I found odd. I may have deleted a lot of stuff though back in the dark days when space mattered.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/cv8iml2

If I had found out about Bitcoin that early on and started mining it I'd remember exactly where I heard about it. Using your computer to mine involves leaving it running at 100% CPU power for months. Anyone doing that would have to watch the fans screaming at their maximum while it heats up to frightening levels that will obviously damage it in the long run.

That user's claim that he might have heard about it on slashdot, but he's not sure doesn't ring true. He's claiming he decided to trash his computer mining, but he can't remember for certain where he heard about Bitcoin!


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: monsanto on September 21, 2015, 06:49:24 AM
So  "block chain archaeologist" cossackssontaras on reddit says he's taken a look at these coins being moved:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lp9py/analysis_of_ubtcthwys_blocks/)

http://i.imgur.com/UuuRY3v.png

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In the above graph, all blocks from 2800 to 3400 are plotted by extraNonce. Green blocks are /u/btcthwy's blocks, orange blocks are likely to be his but not for certain, and gray blocks are everyone else's blocks.

The solid diagonal lines in the chart are blocks found by Satoshi Nakamoto. The slanted, less solid lines are other early adopters, including Finney and Trammell, but also some unidentified cypherpunks. The noise at the bottom are miners that are coming and going frequently; the people coming to see what the fuss is about, and usually leaving.

The thing is, if you were Satoshi mining all those blocks on the diagonal, wouldn't you occasionally want do tests with other hardware by mining some other blocks.

Looks like whoever it was mined some blocks, left for about 300 blocks, or around 2 days, then came back briefly.



Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: dothebeats on September 21, 2015, 06:52:06 AM
Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.


not many other and anyway they mined a very small sample compared to satoshi

if the second or the third block reward will move you know at 100% that it's satoshi or someone with his wallet that is moving the coins

Well even if the user received the coins in Feb. 3, 2009, that is still too early for other people to get involved in bitcoin. How many people were mining back then, we don't know. We only assume that the first 1m coins were from Satoshi and no one else. Hal Finney might also have a share of that, given that he s the first person to receive coins via a transaction. From that point on, we are clueless on who this user is. He/she might be Satoshi, Hal's relatives or someone in Satoshi's closest circles.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Mickeyb on September 21, 2015, 09:36:52 AM
Satoshi wasn't the only person to use bitcoin that early, you know. There were others.

Yes this is true. But the thing is that the users were very limited. You could count them on the fingers of two hands probably.

This is still very curious to me. I am sure there are people there who are already doing analysis and we will know much more in the next few days.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Denker on September 21, 2015, 12:38:17 PM
I have to admit that this is way more interesting than reading a crime novel. Although I can not really believe that this guy might be Satoshi, fact is he is one earliest adopters. At that time maybe 10-20 people did know about Bitcoin and were mining I would guess.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: itod on September 21, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm is definitely Hal Finney's address, it is famous as the first address that received BTC, Satoshi sent some BTC to Finney for testing.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: maokoto on September 21, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on September 21, 2015, 02:45:16 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 21, 2015, 02:50:02 PM
The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm is definitely Hal Finney's address, it is famous as the first address that received BTC, Satoshi sent some BTC to Finney for testing.

Ok... then who owns https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC ?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingcolex on September 21, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...
If he did the price wouldn't crash I don't think the faith in satoshi holding his coins keep it up but if he DUMPED a ton of coins sure we would see a huge crash due to supply and demand but if he sold just a couple of coins at a time I think all would be well.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 21, 2015, 03:03:40 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...
If he did the price wouldn't crash I don't think the faith in satoshi holding his coins keep it up but if he DUMPED a ton of coins sure we would see a huge crash due to supply and demand but if he sold just a couple of coins at a time I think all would be well.

In fact /u/btcthwy said that he is selling for a very long time and it seems he is not selling for the high price. He is selling only when he needs the money...

Quote
Not a US citizen. And my government has helpfully exempted btc sales from income tax if you aren't trading. Just selling (already long, really really long).

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cv7qiwl


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingcolex on September 21, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...
If he did the price wouldn't crash I don't think the faith in satoshi holding his coins keep it up but if he DUMPED a ton of coins sure we would see a huge crash due to supply and demand but if he sold just a couple of coins at a time I think all would be well.

In fact /u/btcthwy said that he is selling for a very long time and it seems he is not selling for the high price. He is selling only when he needs the money...

Quote
Not a US citizen. And my government has helpfully exempted btc sales from income tax if you aren't trading. Just selling (already long, really really long).

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cv7qiwl
Well good for him, I am happy he is able to tap bitcoins when he needs the fiat and hopefully they keep rising in value. I think people need to quit focusing on the old blocks and miners trying to pin down satoshi and just let it be.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Denker on September 21, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...
If he did the price wouldn't crash I don't think the faith in satoshi holding his coins keep it up but if he DUMPED a ton of coins sure we would see a huge crash due to supply and demand but if he sold just a couple of coins at a time I think all would be well.

In fact /u/btcthwy said that he is selling for a very long time and it seems he is not selling for the high price. He is selling only when he needs the money...

Quote
Not a US citizen. And my government has helpfully exempted btc sales from income tax if you aren't trading. Just selling (already long, really really long).

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cv7qiwl
Well good for him, I am happy he is able to tap bitcoins when he needs the fiat and hopefully they keep rising in value. I think people need to quit focusing on the old blocks and miners trying to pin down satoshi and just let it be.

I agree with you.But there will always be paranoid people who will watch the Blockchain and therefore create doom scenarios if they think it's Satoshi who finally wants to cash out. :D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Herbert2020 on September 21, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...

but i seriously doubt if anybody else wants to see that day come.
if you ask me, i consider $2 bitcoin the absolute death of bitcoin which there is no return. i would personally sell all my stash and never even look back and think about cryptocurrencies again.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingcolex on September 21, 2015, 03:49:41 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...

but i seriously doubt if anybody else wants to see that day come.
if you ask me, i consider $2 bitcoin the absolute death of bitcoin which there is no return. i would personally sell all my stash and never even look back and think about cryptocurrencies again.
and that would be the foolish thing to do, lets assume you have ~100 coins, 200$ really is it worth risking it all for that? I think we all know there will be a future in crypto and that's why we post here and regardless of the price I can send money to anywhere in the world without a third party, that's amazing.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: AGD on September 21, 2015, 03:53:11 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: lorylore on September 21, 2015, 03:58:33 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?

This fact is interesting, really really something is going to happen.
Maybe bitcoin will crash lol, i don't want to see at 2$ price.
@AGD may i know how did you upload gif to your avatar?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Mickeyb on September 21, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
Even if it is satoshi who is moving those funds... that does not mean he is really back. We want to hear from him, not just to see some blockchain transactions.

I want him to sell his coins, I'm missing those days of $2 bitcoins...
If he did the price wouldn't crash I don't think the faith in satoshi holding his coins keep it up but if he DUMPED a ton of coins sure we would see a huge crash due to supply and demand but if he sold just a couple of coins at a time I think all would be well.

In fact /u/btcthwy said that he is selling for a very long time and it seems he is not selling for the high price. He is selling only when he needs the money...

Quote
Not a US citizen. And my government has helpfully exempted btc sales from income tax if you aren't trading. Just selling (already long, really really long).

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cv7qiwl
Well good for him, I am happy he is able to tap bitcoins when he needs the fiat and hopefully they keep rising in value. I think people need to quit focusing on the old blocks and miners trying to pin down satoshi and just let it be.

I agree with you.But there will always be paranoid people who will watch the Blockchain and therefore create doom scenarios if they think it's Satoshi who finally wants to cash out. :D

Exactly this! There are trolls that love situations like this and they wait the eagerly to spread FUD and misinformation. And you know, that actually works pretty well in the Bitcoin community. It has happened already numerous amount of times that the FUD has crashed the price.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: itod on September 21, 2015, 04:33:15 PM
The interesting address is this one:
https://blockchain.info/address/17qfbjKam8Rwqat62BjMVCK2tppFEyShXM

It seems it is also linked to the coins generated on 2009-02-03 but had some activities even in 2013 and 2014

Trace down, this one also indicated some testing actions with 1 BTC fee
https://blockchain.info/address/1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm

And this seems to be another cold storage
https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC

I tends to believe that Satoshi is a group of people, this is just one of the devs participating the test


1AbHNFdKJeVL8FRZyRZoiTzG9VCmzLrtvm is definitely Hal Finney's address, it is famous as the first address that received BTC, Satoshi sent some BTC to Finney for testing.

Ok... then who owns https://blockchain.info/address/1E6nViR5Xv1wyNXg87SamvtLJ5TyXuksLC ?

Either also beneficiaries of late Hal Finney's testament, or someone his family sold some BTC. In any case those coins from 2009 were not under Satoshie's control.

Stop jumping to wrong conclusions people, if coins are from early 2009 it doesn't mean they are Satoshie's. These coins are excellent example.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingcolex on September 21, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?
What is or who is Plural of Mongoose, I have never heard of them before in my life.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: HI-TEC99 on September 21, 2015, 04:57:16 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?

This fact is interesting, really really something is going to happen.
Maybe bitcoin will crash lol, i don't want to see at 2$ price.
@AGD may i know how did you upload gif to your avatar?

I'm only guessing, but I think animated GIF avatars were allowed about a year and a half ago, then the forum got hacked through some exploit to do with avatars. When I signed up nobody was allowed to add an avatar, and anyone who already had one couldn't remove it. A few months ago we were again allowed to add an avatar, but not an animated GIF.

AGD must have added his animated GIF avatar over two years ago and left it in place since then. If he removes it he will probably only be allowed to add a normal GIF to replace it with.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Kaneki on September 21, 2015, 05:02:41 PM
a little bored and do not believe the issues "say satoshi is back" or "satoshi come back" etc   :-\


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: AGD on September 21, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?

This fact is interesting, really really something is going to happen.
Maybe bitcoin will crash lol, i don't want to see at 2$ price.
@AGD may i know how did you upload gif to your avatar?

I'm only guessing, but I think animated GIF avatars were allowed about a year and a half ago, then the forum got hacked through some exploit to do with avatars. When I signed up nobody was allowed to add an avatar, and anyone who already had one couldn't remove it. A few months ago we were again allowed to add an avatar, but not an animated GIF.

AGD must have added his animated GIF avatar over two years ago and left it in place since then. If he removes it he will probably only be allowed to add a normal GIF to replace it with.

Yeah, I have this one a long time already and never changed.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: tsoPANos on September 21, 2015, 05:14:01 PM
Looking and blockseer, it seems that he cashed some bitcoin in bitpay, and ABRAXASMARKET???


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: AGD on September 21, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?
What is or who is Plural of Mongoose, I have never heard of them before in my life.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434.0
http://antilop.cc/sr/index.html#jones
http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022

PS: Don't blame me for showing this rabbit hole to you!


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Rude Boy on September 21, 2015, 05:26:20 PM
No need to be the real satoshi! As users said above, some exchanges moves their funds. OR someone have minted/bought some BTC in the early and he/she forgot about it (because, it was cheap than) and now he/she realize the value of bitcoin, so he/she might transfer it to the another wallet (just an assumption).


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 21, 2015, 06:16:42 PM
No need to be the real satoshi! As users said above, some exchanges moves their funds. OR someone have minted/bought some BTC in the early and he/she forgot about it (because, it was cheap than) and now he/she realize the value of bitcoin, so he/she might transfer it to the another wallet (just an assumption).
Are you on high ? Bitcoin exchange in February 2009 ? Coinbase Tx is bought BTC ? Have your nap and come back later. The stuff you have taken has eaten your consciousness.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: MarketNeutral on September 21, 2015, 07:15:22 PM
Approximately 6.5x365x265 bitcoin days destroyed
Oh, the guilt!


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: lorylore on September 21, 2015, 07:56:00 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?

This fact is interesting, really really something is going to happen.
Maybe bitcoin will crash lol, i don't want to see at 2$ price.
@AGD may i know how did you upload gif to your avatar?

I'm only guessing, but I think animated GIF avatars were allowed about a year and a half ago, then the forum got hacked through some exploit to do with avatars. When I signed up nobody was allowed to add an avatar, and anyone who already had one couldn't remove it. A few months ago we were again allowed to add an avatar, but not an animated GIF.

AGD must have added his animated GIF avatar over two years ago and left it in place since then. If he removes it he will probably only be allowed to add a normal GIF to replace it with.

Yeah, I have this one a long time already and never changed.

That just seems nice, i first read a comment here that at least to have 2 frame the gif but that didn't worked a month ago before i joined avatar campaign.
About the topic the owners knows better when and where to move the funds but if he is thinking to sell then it is not the right time only for emergencies then ok. The time to sell was when bitcoin hit $1,000.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 21, 2015, 08:53:49 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?

This fact is interesting, really really something is going to happen.
Maybe bitcoin will crash lol, i don't want to see at 2$ price.
@AGD may i know how did you upload gif to your avatar?

I'm only guessing, but I think animated GIF avatars were allowed about a year and a half ago, then the forum got hacked through some exploit to do with avatars. When I signed up nobody was allowed to add an avatar, and anyone who already had one couldn't remove it. A few months ago we were again allowed to add an avatar, but not an animated GIF.

AGD must have added his animated GIF avatar over two years ago and left it in place since then. If he removes it he will probably only be allowed to add a normal GIF to replace it with.

Yeah, I have this one a long time already and never changed.

That just seems nice, i first read a comment here that at least to have 2 frame the gif but that didn't worked a month ago before i joined avatar campaign.
About the topic the owners knows better when and where to move the funds but if he is thinking to sell then it is not the right time only for emergencies then ok. The time to sell was when bitcoin hit $1,000.
How do you know that he did not sell at 1000 as well ?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: foreveryoung on September 21, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
the address you've mentioned interesting to track who is them? where they have been for almost 6 years did not make any transaction since 2009 and now did it.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: vodaljepa on September 22, 2015, 12:51:38 AM
Very interesting topic!


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: momore on September 22, 2015, 01:02:40 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



It seems everybody is excited for his back.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: 1echo on September 22, 2015, 01:18:43 AM
maybe satoshi is scared of XT ?
he was ok with 1k BTC but XT might be death of his child


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingcolex on September 22, 2015, 03:18:16 AM
maybe satoshi is scared of XT ?
he was ok with 1k BTC but XT might be death of his child
FUD: Fear Uncertainty and Doubt, Fear that is exactly what this is, there is no proof this is Satoshi let alone what he thinks about the block debate.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: MisterMoney on September 22, 2015, 03:30:06 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Is Satoshi she or he?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinplus on September 22, 2015, 04:25:39 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



It seems everybody is excited for his back.

Yes. It's really interesting to see a bitcoin movement after 6 years of hoarding. Some bitcoin elder moves them. Probably that would be bitcoin God Satoshi. We are all given by him a chance to see his activity at least. I strongly believe this will not have any impact on bitcoin price as Satoshi has full rights to do anything with his own bitcoins.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: momore on September 22, 2015, 05:06:39 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Does he have an id on bitcointalk.org?  ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: neonshium on September 22, 2015, 06:20:06 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Does he have an id on bitcointalk.org?  ;D

He must be Satoshi and there is a reserved Rank for the creator of bitcoin, Founder with 5 platinum coins under his name. Sir when will you come and wear it.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: teddy5145 on September 22, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7



Does he have an id on bitcointalk.org?  ;D
If im not wrong he had an id here, but it last activity was around 2010 :(
Would be a shocking news if he auddenly went online and make a post again ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: itod on September 22, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
Is Satoshi she or he?

Yes.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: fairglu on September 22, 2015, 10:52:46 AM

With a confidence of 99.95% (allowing for rare genetic disorders)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: |Bitcoin| on September 22, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Not much influence to bitcoin price since the movement of those btc. Satoshi nakamoto may also have a small influence.  We only know whn sato come outm


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kvlolo on September 22, 2015, 12:44:27 PM
https://blockchain.info/address/1KecPAAih1o66XrxdNyFe388K2eqotMoLc
https://blockchain.info/address/168KmKMWPiD6zTPv5bBVXgRKu29ZegR4Ps
https://blockchain.info/address/17NY72dwYaDWdRVixojtPB5RmEsJXxvBvY
https://blockchain.info/address/112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU
https://blockchain.info/address/152Qfxi5oJ84Ec2MVRZryyxeY2gbnhZAhc

Coins from February 2009 have moved few hours ago...

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7

http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Transaction/10db077d1b183e25a720417faff8bf17e1b093c87c4c5045eda7354e3578a5e7


Satoshi, welcome back.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: 7788bitcoin on September 22, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
No... Satoshi has never left...


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: chek2fire on September 22, 2015, 07:14:19 PM
and what is a big deal to someone to transfer his money? Dont be afraid i think Satoshi only want to repair his house nothing more  ;D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Guido on September 22, 2015, 08:54:48 PM
OK wait ...
Yesterday Plural of Mongoose comes back with a bang after a 6 years silence and today there are Bitcoins from 2009 moving .... coincidence?

agreed, my thoughts exactly
I cannot decide whether something very good is imminent, or bad. but something


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 22, 2015, 08:56:47 PM
Is Satoshi she or he?

Nobody knows (or at least, nobody claims to know). For all we know, Satoshi could be more than one person.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: chek2fire on September 22, 2015, 08:59:45 PM
if is "she" then she will transfer more often bitcoins :P


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: knowhow on September 22, 2015, 09:29:41 PM
well we just saw that is some movement how can anyone says thats satoshis coins? why would he or she allow to get visible?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Aemon on September 22, 2015, 09:31:07 PM
How would we know if Satoshi is back, since we never knew what it was to begin with, we don't know if it is 1 man, woman, or multiple people so how on earth could we know he is back?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 23, 2015, 12:21:55 AM
well we just saw that is some movement how can anyone says thats satoshis coins? why would he or she allow to get visible?
If you read the previous six pages of this thread, you would not have asked this question.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Brad Harrison on September 23, 2015, 12:39:44 AM
It was definitely "Satoshi"


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: 7788bitcoin on September 23, 2015, 06:34:30 AM
It was definitely "Satoshi"

Billions of Satoshis!!


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 23, 2015, 11:42:19 AM
How would we know if Satoshi is back, since we never knew what it was to begin with, we don't know if it is 1 man, woman, or multiple people so how on earth could we know he is back?
Satoshi's coin movement means we are one step closer to Satoshi. If he is a man, woman, group... it does not matter.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mavericklm on September 23, 2015, 12:36:32 PM
Just an earlier adopter! so much fuss! is not like Satoshi will come out and play....


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Wilhelmus on September 23, 2015, 04:50:01 PM
If I properly understood, 286BTC (or something like that) was moved, and so, what's the point ? Each time 2009 blocks move it's possible to see "Satoshi's return" or "Satoshi is back" thread everywhere on the net, it's pretty funny I find  ;D. If you trust me a new religion is being created, with Satoshi as the central God  :D.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: monsanto on September 23, 2015, 05:39:55 PM
If I properly understood, 286BTC (or something like that) was moved, and so, what's the point ? Each time 2009 blocks move it's possible to see "Satoshi's return" or "Satoshi is back" thread everywhere on the net, it's pretty funny I find  ;D.

I think the point is it doesn't happen very often because there are only a handful of people who mined coins that old. And Satoshi is one of them.

Quote
If you trust me a new religion is being created, with Satoshi as the central God  :D.

When one person owns that many bitcoins (enough to destroy the market if he dumps) he already has "God" power over the project.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Aemon on September 23, 2015, 06:15:46 PM
Wait, am I understanding this right?  He moved 286 BTC and everyone is freaking out?  I am obviously missing something though, 286 BTC moving happens every day?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: foodstamps on September 23, 2015, 06:19:25 PM
Wait, am I understanding this right?  He moved 286 BTC and everyone is freaking out?  I am obviously missing something though, 286 BTC moving happens every day?

It is because of the age of the coins. This is the first documented case of coins so old, that were assumed to be satoshis have moved. It is a pretty big event.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Aemon on September 23, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
Wait, am I understanding this right?  He moved 286 BTC and everyone is freaking out?  I am obviously missing something though, 286 BTC moving happens every day?

It is because of the age of the coins. This is the first documented case of coins so old, that were assumed to be satoshis have moved. It is a pretty big event.

Gotcha, so did we know Satoshis coin address at one point?  Is there a place I can read some more about this and actually get facts?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: CryptBit on September 23, 2015, 06:25:55 PM
I wish he came back and took control of bitcoin. We need him back. Lets start a poll and see how many people want him back.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: figmentofmyass on September 23, 2015, 06:31:10 PM
I wish he came back and took control of bitcoin. We need him back. Lets start a poll and see how many people want him back.

that sounds problematic. i'm fine with what bitcoin is and what it has become. i'm not sure i like the idea of any "leader" having some kind of dictatorial control -- other devs and hashing power need to keep that in check. what if he had been co-opted? what if his vision had changed to something that we, the community, do not support?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: mallard on September 23, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Wait, am I understanding this right?  He moved 286 BTC and everyone is freaking out?  I am obviously missing something though, 286 BTC moving happens every day?

It is because of the age of the coins. This is the first documented case of coins so old, that were assumed to be satoshis have moved. It is a pretty big event.

Gotcha, so did we know Satoshis coin address at one point?  Is there a place I can read some more about this and actually get facts?

He has many addresses, most of them just have one transaction (receiving 50 BTC after mining a block)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: gotmilk_ on September 23, 2015, 06:37:32 PM
Obviously he is one of the group (not sure if Bitcoin is work of one person),  which created Bitcoin. I just hope he is still active as a developer and he can bring some solutions! Bitcoin really needs someone who is in from the start to raise his voice...

Btw... Coincidence that he come around in time of blocksize debate?  :)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: figmentofmyass on September 23, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
Btw... Coincidence that he come around in time of blocksize debate?  :)

nah, block size has been debated since like 5 years ago. people have just been creating this irrational sense of urgency by introducing a protocol that is capable of a hard fork.

he's probably just slow-selling a bit of coin on the off-chance that XT succeeds. very small chance, very small number of coins moved. :D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: BillyBobZorton on September 23, 2015, 06:50:22 PM
I wonder what % of power he would have if he came back? I mean sure he is the creator, but he hasn't contributed for years, and the original code has been improved so much that it wouldn't be recognizable if you compare the original thing. So I think Satoshi would have to prove itself again contributing with something to gain more rep, if he solved a big problem with Bitcoin right now he would have almost everyone's approbation on whatever he said.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: figmentofmyass on September 23, 2015, 06:52:02 PM
i hope he dumps it all on bitstamp. i got huge bids waiting at the $0-$10 range. not really expecting them to ever get hit.

but that's where they are when i'm in fiat, in case, you know, satoshi dumps it all. :D


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: foodstamps on September 23, 2015, 07:08:07 PM
I wonder what % of power he would have if he came back? I mean sure he is the creator, but he hasn't contributed for years, and the original code has been improved so much that it wouldn't be recognizable if you compare the original thing. So I think Satoshi would have to prove itself again contributing with something to gain more rep, if he solved a big problem with Bitcoin right now he would have almost everyone's approbation on whatever he said.


He would have at least 10% of the current total coins, so I would put his power % right at or around 10%.    ;)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: bitgolden on September 24, 2015, 02:53:36 AM
I wonder what % of power he would have if he came back? I mean sure he is the creator, but he hasn't contributed for years, and the original code has been improved so much that it wouldn't be recognizable if you compare the original thing. So I think Satoshi would have to prove itself again contributing with something to gain more rep, if he solved a big problem with Bitcoin right now he would have almost everyone's approbation on whatever he said.

My guess is he never left the contribution to bitcoin nor this forum. But he hides his identity for some good positive reasons. No one will be ready to give up his dream project and achievements abruptly. Satoshi has been keenly watching everything but for decentralization reasons he sacrificed his rights over bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: kingscrown on September 24, 2015, 03:13:27 AM
satoshi might be scared of XT, so he may start moving funds


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Herbert2020 on September 24, 2015, 04:20:26 AM
i hope he dumps it all on bitstamp. i got huge bids waiting at the $0-$10 range. not really expecting them to ever get hit.

but that's where they are when i'm in fiat, in case, you know, satoshi dumps it all. :D

the dump you are talking about is 265 bitcoin as far as i know and reading the reddit posts mentioned earlier in this topic, i believe he had already spend them the same day he moved them.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: foodstamps on September 24, 2015, 04:26:57 AM
i hope he dumps it all on bitstamp. i got huge bids waiting at the $0-$10 range. not really expecting them to ever get hit.

but that's where they are when i'm in fiat, in case, you know, satoshi dumps it all. :D

the dump you are talking about is 265 bitcoin as far as i know and reading the reddit posts mentioned earlier in this topic, i believe he had already spend them the same day he moved them.

I think he is saying that he hopes satoshi dumps all his bitcoins, not just the guy with a couple hundred.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Amph on September 24, 2015, 07:26:40 AM
satoshi might be scared of XT, so he may start moving funds

it would be funny if he was actually involved from behind the scene, in the whole xt thing, afterall is was pro the increase of the limit, this may be a possibility


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: S4VV4S on September 24, 2015, 09:23:32 AM
satoshi might be scared of XT, so he may start moving funds

LOL!
Who knows, he might be scared of XT.
SELL NOW!!!!!    ::)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: el kaka22 on September 24, 2015, 09:53:56 AM
I personally think that the guy isn't satoshi, he/she is just a very early adopter of bitcoin. Maybe since Feb 2009 he/she have mined 250 BTC, and then left the program around. In the tx, 5 of inputs are from 5 blocks from 2009, while another ~20 BTC input when traced back, it is part of the output of another Feb 2009 block. He maybe a lucky guy who got rich by mining early BTC.

Hence, not all ~1M unmoved coins since 2009 is satoshi's. Some of them belongs to those early adopters.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Sir_lagsalot on September 24, 2015, 09:59:34 AM
I really don't think so. But who knows?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on September 24, 2015, 11:51:38 PM
I personally think that the guy isn't satoshi, he/she is just a very early adopter of bitcoin. Maybe since Feb 2009 he/she have mined 250 BTC, and then left the program around. In the tx, 5 of inputs are from 5 blocks from 2009, while another ~20 BTC input when traced back, it is part of the output of another Feb 2009 block. He maybe a lucky guy who got rich by mining early BTC.

Hence, not all ~1M unmoved coins since 2009 is satoshi's. Some of them belongs to those early adopters.

/u/btcthwy recently signed ownership of another address holding fresh coin of early February 2009...

Quote
Found the problem. bitcoin-qt doesn't offer the coinbase transactions in the gui. Copy and paste and is good. Without the quote marks "Hello from btcthwy 23 Sep 2015" G7se7lC13jsvYQIVBqY1V+lPcneTh10za0L+hzY3RzjuL994W+TP/1D5P0UwgRoLTCDulKcpVAUt0t4MgTCjvAE=

Signed against 1CgrbzKje66Pcz1egaAnhr7qEGfdk9atS2

Also saying hi to the folks at bitcointalk, address above is one 1 spent from in 2014

And from the recent transaction, against 112qJLTCR3QGVyQ6RBH2765gw3gVozBhvU with the quote marks "https://goo.gl/seM63p btcthwy 23/9/2015" Gy1ImMsiAOckCrLLvkjkE21RFC5jCMdUQ7zgueaRN2X8UZeOpcJ8d82ZhPkmqKhi7/65IiNzkrnMkFRG+FlOaFk=

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cvb8jbj


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 27, 2015, 11:39:53 AM
/u/btcthwy recently signed ownership of another address holding fresh coin of early February 2009...
This btcthwy guy is very mysterious. Someone said he is from Australia...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cvbnguk


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: readysalted89 on September 27, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
/u/btcthwy recently signed ownership of another address holding fresh coin of early February 2009...
This btcthwy guy is very mysterious. Someone said he is from Australia...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cvbnguk

Either he's from Australia, or wants it to appear that he's from Australia. You can run Bitcoin wallets through VPNs that hide your real location, and some VPNs let you run through Tor, then run through their VPN so they have no way of identifying your location. Whoever btcthwy is he would probably want to hide his identity because someone said he sent some of his early coins straight to a dark web drugs site. Anyone doing business with those type of sites would want to remain anonymous. If it's true he sent his coins to one of those sites he would certainly want to hide his identity.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: cellard on September 27, 2015, 04:15:05 PM
I wonder what % of power he would have if he came back? I mean sure he is the creator, but he hasn't contributed for years, and the original code has been improved so much that it wouldn't be recognizable if you compare the original thing. So I think Satoshi would have to prove itself again contributing with something to gain more rep, if he solved a big problem with Bitcoin right now he would have almost everyone's approbation on whatever he said.


He would have at least 10% of the current total coins, so I would put his power % right at or around 10%.    ;)

Good point, and actually scary to think that we would be jeopardized by a single man if he had a contrarian opinion about the common opinion of the public, but I think he wants the best for Bitcoin and will never dump. Hell he could be dead by now for all we know, im not worried about satoshi at all.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on September 29, 2015, 11:52:50 PM
/u/btcthwy recently signed ownership of another address holding fresh coin of early February 2009...
This btcthwy guy is very mysterious. Someone said he is from Australia...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ln77n/coinbases_from_feb_3_2009_just_moved_for_the/cvbnguk

Either he's from Australia, or wants it to appear that he's from Australia. You can run Bitcoin wallets through VPNs that hide your real location, and some VPNs let you run through Tor, then run through their VPN so they have no way of identifying your location. Whoever btcthwy is he would probably want to hide his identity because someone said he sent some of his early coins straight to a dark web drugs site. Anyone doing business with those type of sites would want to remain anonymous. If it's true he sent his coins to one of those sites he would certainly want to hide his identity.
Could you please point me out that who said it and where ?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: a7mos on September 30, 2015, 12:15:37 AM
I do not cares if this person is satoshi or not
But I care for btc price and I hope that the real satoshi will not sell all his coins in one action that's will cost a lot and the price may fall


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: n3o111 on September 30, 2015, 12:19:06 AM
I do not cares if this person is satoshi or not
But I care for btc price and I hope that the real satoshi will not sell all his coins in one action that's will cost a lot and the price may fall

Why not? Don't scare of price decrease. If Satoshi sells his first coins it would be healthy for Bitcoin for a longer run.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinplus on September 30, 2015, 02:12:53 AM
I do not cares if this person is satoshi or not
But I care for btc price and I hope that the real satoshi will not sell all his coins in one action that's will cost a lot and the price may fall

Why not? Don't scare of price decrease. If Satoshi sells his first coins it would be healthy for Bitcoin for a longer run.

I could not understand how it would hekp in long term view.
Usually if whale sells off this hoarding bitcoin, that may impact bitcoin price negatively. If they keep it that would show us they are still believing in bitcoin.
But selling in small quantity will not affect the price as well as people's faith on bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: EthanB on September 30, 2015, 03:18:48 AM
Satoshi isn't back; Satoshi was never gone.
He is in our hearts, and all around us.
He will always be watching.

Love,
   First Church of Satoshi


He knows when we are sleeping, he knows when we're awake.
He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for bitcoin sake.



Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: afriezalie on September 30, 2015, 03:30:11 AM
I don't think satoshi will go back to bitcoin, and I heard that He has lost his private key, so how could he move his fund if he doesn't have his own private key. The last thing is we don't know who is the real satoshi.

Maybe that tx was from other bitcoin developer or advanced user from 2009, or maybe it's from the real satoshi.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: achow101 on September 30, 2015, 03:58:49 AM
I don't think satoshi will go back to bitcoin, and I heard that He has lost his private key, so how could he move his fund if he doesn't have his own private key. The last thing is we don't know who is the real satoshi.
No one but satoshi knows for certain what happened to him. No one knows whether he actually lost his private keys. Anything regarding who and what happened to satoshi is pure speculation that will get nowhere.



Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: gentlemand on September 30, 2015, 04:13:38 AM
I don't think satoshi will go back to bitcoin, and I heard that He has lost his private key, so how could he move his fund if he doesn't have his own private key.


I would be utterly gobsmacked if that was the case.

The person who originally sent the broken transactions deleted his wallet
Sigh... why delete a wallet instead of moving it aside and keeping the old copy just in case?  You should never delete a wallet.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on October 01, 2015, 11:40:09 PM
I don't think satoshi will go back to bitcoin, and I heard that He has lost his private key, so how could he move his fund if he doesn't have his own private key.


I would be utterly gobsmacked if that was the case.

The person who originally sent the broken transactions deleted his wallet
Sigh... why delete a wallet instead of moving it aside and keeping the old copy just in case?  You should never delete a wallet.


WoW! That's a gem. With every passing day, my belief is getting stronger that Satoshi is there and among us...

https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: chek2fire on October 02, 2015, 12:00:45 AM
I don't think satoshi will go back to bitcoin, and I heard that He has lost his private key, so how could he move his fund if he doesn't have his own private key.


I would be utterly gobsmacked if that was the case.

The person who originally sent the broken transactions deleted his wallet
Sigh... why delete a wallet instead of moving it aside and keeping the old copy just in case?  You should never delete a wallet.


WoW! That's a gem. With every passing day, my belief is getting stronger that Satoshi is there and among us...

https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy

and why you believe that he ever leave the community. He just go dark and i think he is still very active with another name maybe his real id?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Bit_Happy on October 02, 2015, 12:04:53 AM
Great news?
When Satoshi finally, really dumps all of his alleged stash, then people will no longer fear the increase in supply.

Reality Check
In the future, people will pay huge sums of money to "actually own a whole BTC!!"
^^^
A) If you believe the above, then it doesn't matter (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.
B) If Bitcoin fails, then it doesn't make any difference  (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Newkid on October 02, 2015, 01:05:57 AM
Hello everyone I read many posts around here and operate my own 60TH Bitcoin farm but donīt comment much so please donīt disregard what I have to say for my new-member status.

This whole thing ties in nicely with a theory Iīve been developing over the past few days:

BTCS and Spondoolies merger is a terrible for Bitcoin and hereīs why:

Since the day the merger was announced I watched every shareholder meeting of BTCS and most of the published numbers on the deal. It seems that Spondoolies sold its soul to the devil in order to gain access to the goldmine that is the American stock market, exchanging real value for inflated stock market value which will net the management (hundreds of) millions. So far so good.

However what this creates is: A: One HUGE new player in the market and B: A vacuum on the mining equipment side of things for the home-miner and even for medium sized operations like mine. This is the clearest shift away from the original "decentralized“ idea that Satoshi had and might deal a huge blow to the Bitcoin community as a whole. Other hardware manufacturers are way overpriced for what they can offer so anyone serious about making money through mining Bitcoins with a medium-sized operation is now pretty much dead in the water as are the many home-miners even though it is not as bad for them, because profitability often isnīt the priority here.

Now, old funds are being moved and to me this all points to one thing: Someone just realized that the original dream is dead.

I know many will hate me for saying this, including myself because I invested everything I had into my farm, but decentralization left the Bitcoin world the very second that merger was signed.

From a recent exchange with Spondoolies-Tech I know that even a 90.000 Euro ($101.000) offer could not entice them to sell one or two SP-50 and even thou I purchased 50 Miners from SP last year I do not qualify as one of the “select group of customers” to use SP terminology.

All this tells me that someone is very disappointed with where things went and itīs not just me.

Call me crazy but I believe many more funds from old wallets will be moving soon and quite possibly we wonīt notice most of those movements.

On a personal note: I am clearly not unbiased in this as I feel anger towards BTCS for doing exactly what I did (finding low cost power and rented-space) but being so much more successful at it than me and regret towards SP-Tech because the real value of its business compared to BTCS is 100x higher. (They used the company revenue as a measure of how much both companies are worth, ignoring the value of technology, customer satisfaction and brand-strength involved on SPīs side of the deal.)

On a even more personal note: If you feel I hijacked this thread with my post please let me know and I will remove and reopen as a new Posting. And please excuse my rusty English, itīs been a while...


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Bit_Happy on October 02, 2015, 01:18:14 AM
Hello everyone I read many posts around here and operate my own 60TH Bitcoin farm but donīt comment much so please donīt disregard what I have to say for my new-member status.

This whole thing ties in nicely with a theory Iīve been developing over the past few days:

BTCS and Spondoolies merger is a terrible for Bitcoin and hereīs why:

Since the day the merger was announced I watched every shareholder meeting of BTCS and most of the published numbers on the deal. It seems that Spondoolies sold its soul to the devil in order to gain access to the goldmine that is the American stock market, exchanging real value for inflated stock market value which will net the management (hundreds of) millions. So far so good.

However what this creates is: A: One HUGE new player in the market and B: A vacuum on the mining equipment side of things for the home-miner and even for medium sized operations like mine. This is the clearest shift away from the original "decentralized“ idea that Satoshi had and might deal a huge blow to the Bitcoin community as a whole. Other hardware manufacturers are way overpriced for what they can offer so anyone serious about making money through mining Bitcoins with a medium-sized operation is now pretty much dead in the water as are the many home-miners even though it is not as bad for them, because profitability often isnīt the priority here.

Now, old funds are being moved and to me this all points to one thing: Someone just realized that the original dream is dead.

I know many will hate me for saying this, including myself because I invested everything I had into my farm, but decentralization left the Bitcoin world the very second that merger was signed.

From a recent exchange with Spondoolies-Tech I know that even a 90.000 Euro ($101.000) offer could not entice them to sell one or two SP-50 and even thou I purchased 50 Miners from SP last year I do not qualify as one of the “select group of customers” to use SP terminology.

All this tells me that someone is very disappointed with where things went and itīs not just me.

Call me crazy but I believe many more funds from old wallets will be moving soon and quite possibly we wonīt notice most of those movements.

On a personal note: I am clearly not unbiased in this as I feel anger towards BTCS for doing exactly what I did (finding low cost power and rented-space) but being so much more successful at it than me and regret towards SP-Tech because the real value of its business compared to BTCS is 100x higher. (They used the company revenue as a measure of how much both companies are worth, ignoring the value of technology, customer satisfaction and brand-strength involved on SPīs side of the deal.)

On a even more personal note: If you feel I hijacked this thread with my post please let me know and I will remove and reopen as a new Posting. And please excuse my rusty English, itīs been a while...

Bitcoin cannot be destroyed (or seriously affected) by 'companies' that claim to be "experts in blockchain technology".
...and the original dream is not dead!


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Newkid on October 02, 2015, 02:14:20 AM
Hello everyone I read many posts around here and operate my own 60TH Bitcoin farm but donīt comment much so please donīt disregard what I have to say for my new-member status.

This whole thing ties in nicely with a theory Iīve been developing over the past few days:

BTCS and Spondoolies merger is a terrible for Bitcoin and hereīs why:

Since the day the merger was announced I watched every shareholder meeting of BTCS and most of the published numbers on the deal. It seems that Spondoolies sold its soul to the devil in order to gain access to the goldmine that is the American stock market, exchanging real value for inflated stock market value which will net the management (hundreds of) millions. So far so good.

However what this creates is: A: One HUGE new player in the market and B: A vacuum on the mining equipment side of things for the home-miner and even for medium sized operations like mine. This is the clearest shift away from the original "decentralized“ idea that Satoshi had and might deal a huge blow to the Bitcoin community as a whole. Other hardware manufacturers are way overpriced for what they can offer so anyone serious about making money through mining Bitcoins with a medium-sized operation is now pretty much dead in the water as are the many home-miners even though it is not as bad for them, because profitability often isnīt the priority here.

Now, old funds are being moved and to me this all points to one thing: Someone just realized that the original dream is dead.

I know many will hate me for saying this, including myself because I invested everything I had into my farm, but decentralization left the Bitcoin world the very second that merger was signed.

From a recent exchange with Spondoolies-Tech I know that even a 90.000 Euro ($101.000) offer could not entice them to sell one or two SP-50 and even thou I purchased 50 Miners from SP last year I do not qualify as one of the “select group of customers” to use SP terminology.

All this tells me that someone is very disappointed with where things went and itīs not just me.

Call me crazy but I believe many more funds from old wallets will be moving soon and quite possibly we wonīt notice most of those movements.

On a personal note: I am clearly not unbiased in this as I feel anger towards BTCS for doing exactly what I did (finding low cost power and rented-space) but being so much more successful at it than me and regret towards SP-Tech because the real value of its business compared to BTCS is 100x higher. (They used the company revenue as a measure of how much both companies are worth, ignoring the value of technology, customer satisfaction and brand-strength involved on SPīs side of the deal.)

On a even more personal note: If you feel I hijacked this thread with my post please let me know and I will remove and reopen as a new Posting. And please excuse my rusty English, itīs been a while...

Bitcoin cannot be destroyed (or seriously affected) by 'companies' that claim to be "experts in blockchain technology".
...and the original dream is not dead!

Could you elaborate on your point a bit please? How did you arrive at this conclusion?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Bit_Happy on October 02, 2015, 02:23:50 AM

Could you elaborate on your point a bit please? How did you arrive at this conclusion?

How many people need to believe in a dream for it to stay alive, Newkid?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Newkid on October 02, 2015, 03:20:43 AM

Could you elaborate on your point a bit please? How did you arrive at this conclusion?

How many people need to believe in a dream for it to stay alive, Newkid?

I donīt know (does anybody?) however, I do know that if you remove the small-to-medium miners the dream of decentralization evaporates and BTC might die once you remove that component because it is the involvement of the people that keeps it alive, just like you and me talking about it now. Would we still be talking about this if it was just another, cheaper version of VISA where 5 big companies do everything and we have no stake in it?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: bitgolden on October 02, 2015, 10:05:15 AM
If Satoshi come back that would be very nice for the bitcoin community. We will all go for party.
But, in a decentralization environment we need to solve all the hurdles we face, we should not expect the creator to solve all the issues we face. So, Satoshi should come back for a party. We need to acknowledge him for his greater work.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Betwrong on October 02, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
Great news?
When Satoshi finally, really dumps all of his alleged stash, then people will no longer fear the increase in supply.

Reality Check
In the future, people will pay huge sums of money to "actually own a whole BTC!!"
^^^
A) If you believe the above, then it doesn't matter (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.
B) If Bitcoin fails, then it doesn't make any difference  (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.

I think he will never do it at once, becuase this action will kill his beloved child, BTC. He would rather do it a small part at a time (maybe he's already doing this), but never at once.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinplus on October 02, 2015, 11:24:51 AM
Great news?
When Satoshi finally, really dumps all of his alleged stash, then people will no longer fear the increase in supply.

Reality Check
In the future, people will pay huge sums of money to "actually own a whole BTC!!"
^^^
A) If you believe the above, then it doesn't matter (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.
B) If Bitcoin fails, then it doesn't make any difference  (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.

I think he will never do it at once, becuase this action will kill his beloved child, BTC. He would rather do it a small part at a time (maybe he's already doing this), but never at once.

Yes. He has full right to sell them, more over he must be in full aware of what will happen when he selling all his coin at once. So, people need not worry about his hoardings.
I too believe that Satoshi already started selling his coins. That's his wish.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Mickeyb on October 02, 2015, 11:36:18 AM
Great news?
When Satoshi finally, really dumps all of his alleged stash, then people will no longer fear the increase in supply.

Reality Check
In the future, people will pay huge sums of money to "actually own a whole BTC!!"
^^^
A) If you believe the above, then it doesn't matter (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.
B) If Bitcoin fails, then it doesn't make any difference  (long-term) if/when Satoshi sells his stash.

I think he will never do it at once, becuase this action will kill his beloved child, BTC. He would rather do it a small part at a time (maybe he's already doing this), but never at once.

Yes. He has full right to sell them, more over he must be in full aware of what will happen when he selling all his coin at once. So, people need not worry about his hoardings.
I too believe that Satoshi already started selling his coins. That's his wish.

I don't know, I have a gut feeling that he will not sell them soon and that he might sell them only when Bitcoin becomes so big that people even wouldn't care if he cashes out or not.

He is not into this because of money. This guy is so smart that he's probably a millionaire already by doing something else. He has invented Bitcoin to change the world and he will not jeopardize Bitcoin's existence at this still vulnerable moment for Bitcoin just to make some profits.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on October 06, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
I don't know, I have a gut feeling that he will not sell them soon and that he might sell them only when Bitcoin becomes so big that people even wouldn't care if he cashes out or not.

He is not into this because of money. This guy is so smart that he's probably a millionaire already by doing something else. He has invented Bitcoin to change the world and he will not jeopardize Bitcoin's existence at this still vulnerable moment for Bitcoin just to make some profits.
That would never happen. If he ever sell, he always need to do it silently. Market will always react -vely to his selling news.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: zzaza on October 06, 2015, 01:35:53 PM
I don't know, I have a gut feeling that he will not sell them soon and that he might sell them only when Bitcoin becomes so big that people even wouldn't care if he cashes out or not.

He is not into this because of money. This guy is so smart that he's probably a millionaire already by doing something else. He has invented Bitcoin to change the world and he will not jeopardize Bitcoin's existence at this still vulnerable moment for Bitcoin just to make some profits.
That would never happen. If he ever sell, he always need to do it silently. Market will always react -vely to his selling news.

Indeed, he can stille asily crash bitcoin if he would, so better for him to stay invisible... :)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: David Rabahy on October 06, 2015, 04:10:10 PM
If/when Bitcoin is big enough then cashing out would be silly.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: brg444 on October 06, 2015, 04:10:43 PM
If/when Bitcoin is big enough then cashing out would be silly.

Church


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Zombier0 on October 06, 2015, 07:12:53 PM
What si BTCS and spoondles merge? I never read about it. No idea whats BTCS at all


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Newkid on October 06, 2015, 08:25:12 PM
Itīs a (in my opinion) cheaply made online-shopping website for Bitcoins hence the name BTCS = BiTCoinShop who have pivoted into a mining facility but realy add 0 real value to Spondoolies except for millions of cash from the stock market because this cheap online shop is somehow publicly traded in the US. I realy hope Spondoolies find a way out of that relation and come back to the miners instead of cashing out on the stockmarket... they canīt be trusted anymore because now itīs no longer about real profits by making good equipment its all about "looking good" to investors and stock market people wich is also why they decided to spill the beans about the SP50 EXACTLY at the same time they finished the merger... it will make their stock look more appealing.

To be honest I wouldnīt even be all up in their shit if they would just sell the damn things but by now Iīm thinking the SP50 is nowhere near ready for shipping... it was just a big hoax to drive up stock prices for BTCS wich they now own 47% of.

Iīd guess the SP50 will be ready soon and thats when they will start selling to the public because it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER to actualy put them into BTCSī mining facility when they can make MUCH MORE MONEY selling the damn things instead of waiting and hoping for a ROI and they know that...
Even with a pricetag of 70.000 per piece they would have sold many by now and if they realy want to mine they could still do that once the orders dry up because cash in hand is better than ROI in the future... every businessman knows that. Itīs all about the HUGE stock market cash.

Bottom line, the whole: "We are selling to special customers only at this time" is a lie, they arent selling anything because nothing is ready to sell, if it was, theyīd sell to everyone.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: lololhyip on October 07, 2015, 03:51:12 AM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Newkid on October 07, 2015, 05:21:00 AM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

What does it matter? Wtf is wrong with people these days asking questions like this? Your teacher lied to you... there ARE dumb questions and you SHOULD refrain from asking them. Youīre wasting everyones time just because you decide to not bother reading information already aviable (and easy to find) and donīt deserve to get spoon-fed a answer. Or do you not know how to google for a name? The ONLY excuse you could have for this is if you where under 10 oder over 90 years of age because every 11 year old can google for information these days.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: coinplus on October 07, 2015, 05:26:23 AM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

It's a mystery still.
But Satoshi is not a team name.
But some bitcoin early developers hide their identity. Later they are altogether refereed as Satoshi. In that group, there are chances for both the genders.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: jacktheking on October 07, 2015, 05:27:47 AM
I think I missed this thread. It was indeed a shocking news that old coins was moving. Reading on... so it was a guy who mined Bitcoin back in the 2009 and only start moving them today. I wonder what would happen if verified Satoshi Bitcoin addresses are moving coins...

Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

I refer to Satoshi Nakamoto as He/She/They or His/Her/Their simply because no one know who is/created Satoshi Nakamoto.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: monsanto on October 07, 2015, 07:14:56 AM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

Or a...

http://i.imgur.com/xU4l1XC.jpg


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: franky1 on October 07, 2015, 07:15:37 AM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

It's a mystery still.
But Satoshi is not a team name.
But some bitcoin early developers hide their identity. Later they are altogether refereed as Satoshi. In that group, there are chances for both the genders.


your first statement contradicts your second statement.

if you done any research youwould know satoshi is a single person and people that were arround in spring 2009 such as hal finney ans sirius never refered to themselves as 'team satoshi' or satoshi..

neither did the pre-2009 release group of people on the other forums refer to themselves as team satoshi.

satoshi is none of the names such as hall, sirius, wei, nick, etc.. satoshi is a sole entity, not a group.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hellacopter on October 09, 2015, 04:00:38 PM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

This don't matter really, if Satoshi a male or female, or a team, the important thing that BTC is growing up daily and this human being called "Satoshi" made great thing


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on October 11, 2015, 09:37:32 PM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?
Might be trans, shemale, gay, lesbian etc. as well. But, it really does not matter as long as everyone is aware of the code they are runnning to connect to the bitcoin network.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: foodstamps on October 11, 2015, 10:55:08 PM
Satoshi is among us. There is even a chance he is reading this right now.  ;)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: jwinterm on October 11, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
Satoshi is among us. There is even a chance he is reading this right now.  ;)

Most people don't know this, but Satoshi is actually the developer of litedogedarkcoin :P


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on October 12, 2015, 06:13:10 AM
Satoshi is among us. There is even a chance he is reading this right now.  ;)

I think you nailed it! Satoshi created Bitcoin so that he could read my posts.  8)


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: ashour on October 13, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
Is Satoshi a SHE or a HE or a Team?

None knows if Satoshi is a He,She or Team all we know is that he created bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on October 13, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
i dont understand satoshi. if i were the one that created bitcoin and it got this big I'd stay with bitcoin and be interested in it. but satoshi isnt like that he just left, somepart of me makes me think he was blackmailed  :o


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: n2004al on October 14, 2015, 08:26:59 AM
Very good news if it will be true. Bitcoin will have always need for Satoshi. Then every other bitcoiner need to know more (in terms of written thoughts) and to have more from him. But I think that there are only words. The movements of old bitcoins doesn't mean that are from him. Maybe he has given the password of one of its wallets to another person like he has made with the source code repository and network alert key which he had given to Gavin Andersen.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: RussianRaibow on October 15, 2015, 10:46:51 PM
Satoshi is among us. There is even a chance he is reading this right now.  ;)

Most people don't know this, but Satoshi is actually the developer of litedogedarkcoin :P

I definitively believe Satoshi's team was behind the creation of iXcoin (april 2011), like btc but with faster minting
How much you wasted invested in iXcoin? Why not ask /u/btcthwy about his possible involvement with iXcoin? By the way, how much does it worth now?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: neurotypical on October 16, 2015, 01:16:09 AM
Satoshi is among us. There is even a chance he is reading this right now.  ;)
Honestly, there are 100% chances that he is reading this right now. I mean you create the most revolutionary technology since the internet and wouldn't even check the forums to see whats going on? No one believes that. The only chance of him not reading the forums is him being dead, theres no other way.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Hugroll on October 16, 2015, 01:18:26 AM
Satoshi is among us. There is even a chance he is reading this right now.  ;)
Honestly, there are 100% chances that he is reading this right now. I mean you create the most revolutionary technology since the internet and wouldn't even check the forums to see whats going on? No one believes that. The only chance of him not reading the forums is him being dead, theres no other way.
ya but picture this, you create the biggest cryptocurrency and you go on its forum and u read about youself but you don't reply to people? if he were reading this he would let us know that hes still out there


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: |Ocean| on October 16, 2015, 01:29:30 AM
Is there any member here from 2009 , when this forum was created , he might have Talked to satoshi and he might know if he is he or she?
dO theymos know satoshi?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Pattart on October 16, 2015, 01:47:31 AM
Is there any member here from 2009 , when this forum was created , he might have Talked to satoshi and he might know if he is he or she?
dO theymos know satoshi?
Theymos most certainly has in some way contacted Satoshi before.

If you click on anyone's profile and go to the address bar and change the number after u= to a low number, then you can find people who were the first to register here. Some users no longer exist though.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: |Ocean| on October 16, 2015, 01:54:50 AM
Do anyone Know who was teh first to register over this Forum..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1
Who is this Admin Guy?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: UserVVIP on October 16, 2015, 02:00:26 AM
He could be selling off his btc.

You never know.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Pattart on October 16, 2015, 02:03:08 AM
Do anyone Know who was teh first to register over this Forum..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1
Who is this Admin Guy?
Admin is the first account on the forum and was the default administrator account created by SMF (I think). The account was created and owned by Satoshi since Satoshi created this forum. The account did not post much except for some tests that Satoshi was doing to make sure the forum worked.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Amph on October 16, 2015, 07:46:52 AM
He could be selling off his btc.

You never know.

then he was the one who crashed the market when we were at 1200 , there were no other best time to sell his coins and he know that

but i also believe he know that bitcoin could have reach a much higher price, maybe he is just holding

keep in mind that he is now a very high target with 1M coins, not something i would reveal to anyone


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: GermanGiant on December 10, 2015, 06:26:20 PM
Somehow, I am having a feeling that this Craig Wright is the guy behind https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: anthonycamp on December 10, 2015, 06:28:21 PM
i only new bitcoin back into 2013 and i fell like some movements are not too good


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: helloeverybody on December 10, 2015, 06:30:49 PM
He could be selling off his btc.

You never know.

then he was the one who crashed the market when we were at 1200 , there were no other best time to sell his coins and he know that

but i also believe he know that bitcoin could have reach a much higher price, maybe he is just holding

keep in mind that he is now a very high target with 1M coins, not something i would reveal to anyone

Why would he hold for a higher price? he could cash out anytime he wanted and still be richer than 99% of people on the planet.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 10, 2015, 06:38:31 PM
Somehow, I am having a feeling that this Craig Wright is the guy behind https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinAUS/comments/3vcys0/advice_on_how_to_use_bitcoins_without_attracting/cxnecay

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One reason I haven't used an exchange yet is because I think the amounts I want to cash out would raise issues. When I have a suitable plan b, I am going to try it.

If he is, then he'll have to explain away the above or his statement that he has funds tied up at Mt Gox.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Amph on December 10, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
He could be selling off his btc.

You never know.

then he was the one who crashed the market when we were at 1200 , there were no other best time to sell his coins and he know that

but i also believe he know that bitcoin could have reach a much higher price, maybe he is just holding

keep in mind that he is now a very high target with 1M coins, not something i would reveal to anyone

Why would he hold for a higher price? he could cash out anytime he wanted and still be richer than 99% of people on the planet.

maybe he want be richer than 100% of people on the planet  ;D, or he simply believe in bitcoin and don't want fiat anymore

this mean that he is waiting for bitcoin to be accepted globally


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: thaaanos on December 10, 2015, 06:51:47 PM
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Victor Beckham on December 10, 2015, 07:00:39 PM
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available
Could you please quote where did he say this ?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 10, 2015, 07:17:58 PM
Somehow, I am having a feeling that this Craig Wright is the guy behind https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinAUS/comments/3vcys0/advice_on_how_to_use_bitcoins_without_attracting/cxnecay

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One reason I haven't used an exchange yet is because I think the amounts I want to cash out would raise issues. When I have a suitable plan b, I am going to try it.

If he is, then he'll have to explain away the above or his statement that he has funds tied up at Mt Gox.

He says Bitcoin-qt doesn't allow him to sign with the coinbase address

At least in 0.11.0, that's not true. I just tried it and it worked fine.

Code:
Here's a block I mined -theymos
1HxQavcwsYnLbntANzj1V1yC5ckxZiRELg
HL+XUyNgUovWpaDPeW9bUMBYW6T8ZNqRXazgFNYLhdFPC4sEjGZf27RyCkkZbXe/ivNgYeCC+feBF7TmjtWvNkM=

I signed that on the same wallet.dat file that I used to mine the bitcoins -- I didn't import the private key or anything.

Could you please check if https://www.reddit.com/user/btcthwy is accessing reddit via Tor ?

Not sure what to make of that comment, but GermanGiant spells 'labor' as 'labour' according to at least one post of his.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: thaaanos on December 10, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available
Could you please quote where did he say this ?
Sorry I only remember my outputs not the inputs :) forgive me


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Mickeyb on December 10, 2015, 09:19:01 PM
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available
Could you please quote where did he say this ?

Yes I would like to see the proofs of these statements.

Also, when you really think off it, this wouldn't be so surprising to do. I mean he didn't have any other way of doing the distribution when he was pretty much mining all by himself in the beginning. Him and maybe 1 or 2 more people.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: justspare on December 10, 2015, 11:18:03 PM
How can you tell that this is Satoshi? Just because he has a lot of coins does't make him the maker of Bitcoin, this is just someone's prediction. It could just be an early investor of Bitcoin. Please don't make up these kinds of theories.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: justspare on December 10, 2015, 11:22:30 PM
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available

Do you have any proof that Satoshi said this? There are a lot of people that pretend to be Satoshi you know. I am pretty sure that there is a max of 21 mil, not 20 mil, Bitcoin to be mined.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: chek2fire on December 11, 2015, 01:21:08 AM
How can you tell that this is Satoshi? Just because he has a lot of coins does't make him the maker of Bitcoin, this is just someone's prediction. It could just be an early investor of Bitcoin. Please don't make up these kinds of theories.

I dont think even that this Wright Scammer has so many bitcoin.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: thaaanos on December 11, 2015, 03:16:57 PM
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available
Could you please quote where did he say this ?

Yes I would like to see the proofs of these statements.

Also, when you really think off it, this wouldn't be so surprising to do. I mean he didn't have any other way of doing the distribution when he was pretty much mining all by himself in the beginning. Him and maybe 1 or 2 more people.
Satoshi's miner probably used random outputs, the early bitcoins he mined are lost forever, he even hinted at it that only 20 mils will be available

Do you have any proof that Satoshi said this? There are a lot of people that pretend to be Satoshi you know. I am pretty sure that there is a max of 21 mil, not 20 mil, Bitcoin to be mined.

Ok guys this is my interpretation of the events hence the word "probably".
Satoshi used a non-client miner originally to maintain the network at the early stages to provide infrastructure (thats from a research of one forum member).
Satoshi only moved coins from his client miner. I dimly remember he said (or someone else conveyed) that some coins will get lost and eventually only 20 mils will be available, my guess is he had in mind his miner.


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: Luqman on December 11, 2015, 03:33:51 PM
If he really Satoshi then we might see he dump his bitcoin soon on the exchange and then the price crash, and bitcoin is over?


Title: Re: Satoshi is back ?
Post by: chek2fire on December 11, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
no. That means that we can buy more cheap bitcoin  ;D