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Title: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: silverleafy on October 03, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
I found something quite cool to share. In the next decade, you might have the chance of buying a self-driving car. And those self-driving cars will be saving hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone. That's according to new research that shows that self-driving cars could save 29,447 lives a year.

You can read more about it in this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/09/self-driving-cars-could-save-300000-lives-per-decade-in-america/407956/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/09/self-driving-cars-could-save-300000-lives-per-decade-in-america/407956/)


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: ThePrinceofTea on October 03, 2015, 07:59:07 PM
I prefer donkey.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: ThePrinceofTea on October 03, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
it was a joke of my donkey and I :D, we are both very happy to know that a Caravan version will be made, as such we both will be able to travel great distance in safety, speed, harmony and having fun inside the "craft" :D. forward !!!

and the last argument of the prohibitionist will crumble before their little restrictive, uncreative, noninnovative, conventional framed minds, and from their the gateway to drugs will be open :D.

how to stop technology :p

it's gonna be HUUUUUUUUUGGGGGE :

http://www.technologyblogged.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/vin-diesel-caravan.jpg


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Possum577 on October 04, 2015, 01:42:10 AM
It IS going to be huge. Not only will it make the road safer but it'll give people time and productivity - think about all the time spent in traffic that will now be available for work or other things. Think about the people that are immobile (handicapped, elderly) that can now travel safely in their self driving car.

It's pretty amazing  and  it's great to see traditional car companies follow Google's lead in creating this technology.

Here's a video from Google: https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: BCwinning on October 04, 2015, 01:43:49 AM
I prefer cars with little to no sensors/computers in them.
So no thank you to the driverless car that will allow the police to disable at will.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Coinonomous on October 04, 2015, 01:45:20 AM
I prefer cars with little to no sensors/computers in them.
So no thank you to the driverless car that will allow the police to disable at will.

Same here. Every other month i have tire pressure sensors or some stupid sensors to replace. I'd rather have my old 1987 honda accord, that thing would probably still be running if I never sold it! :(


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Vod on October 04, 2015, 01:45:40 AM
I prefer cars with little to no sensors/computers in them.
So no thank you to the driverless car that will allow the police to disable at will.

Ah, so you are a fan of the high speed chase, which kills innocent people?


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: BCwinning on October 04, 2015, 01:48:45 AM
I prefer cars with little to no sensors/computers in them.
So no thank you to the driverless car that will allow the police to disable at will.

Ah, so you are a fan of the high speed chase, which kills innocent people?
yea because they happen so often and kill so many people.
You one of those, "we need to do it for the children" type huh
coddle the darwin candidates.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: bryant.coleman on October 04, 2015, 05:07:12 AM
I am not sure whether these Self-Driving Cars will reduce the risk for the passengers or not. What happens if someone hacks in to the control panel, and makes the car jump off a cliff? Unless these concerns are addressed, I will remain opposed to this new innovation. Also, I don't want to drive a car which can be stopped at will by the police authorities.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Spendulus on October 04, 2015, 01:22:36 PM
I prefer cars with little to no sensors/computers in them.
So no thank you to the driverless car that will allow the police to disable at will.

Ah, so you are a fan of the high speed chase, which kills innocent people?

Are you a fan of police disabling every car in a 5 mile radius, because of one bad guy they need to root out?


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: ThePrinceofTea on October 04, 2015, 01:27:02 PM
I am not sure whether these Self-Driving Cars will reduce the risk for the passengers or not. What happens if someone hacks in to the control panel, and makes the car jump off a cliff? Unless these concerns are addressed, I will remain opposed to this new innovation. Also, I don't want to drive a car which can be stopped at will by the police authorities.

mod the software with open source, install a firewall (russian made), enjoy your vodka until reaching your destination.

why should a self driving car be connected to anything? all roads and paths take a few gigs... no need for outside connection...


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: silverleafy on October 04, 2015, 03:54:50 PM
I am not sure whether these Self-Driving Cars will reduce the risk for the passengers or not. What happens if someone hacks in to the control panel, and makes the car jump off a cliff? Unless these concerns are addressed, I will remain opposed to this new innovation. Also, I don't want to drive a car which can be stopped at will by the police authorities.

Some cars are already hackable... hack-able? Anyways, there have already been tests in which a car was taken control of in the highway, speeding up and slowing down as the driver input was completely ignored. Best part of it is that it left no trace. So if you're driving a recent model of car, you might already have a car vulnerable to hackers. There's always inherent risk in new technology, it's up to each of us to decide whether or not to take that first step early, or afterwards, when everything has been ironed out.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Wilikon on October 04, 2015, 05:57:41 PM



Locomotive Acts

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Locomotive Acts (or Red Flag Acts) were a series of Acts of Parliament in the United Kingdom regulating the use of mechanically propelled vehicles on British public highways during the latter part of the 19th century.

The first three, The Locomotives on Highways Act 1861, The Locomotive Act 1865 and the Highways and Locomotives (Amendment) Act 1878 contained restrictive measures on the manning and speed of operation of road vehicles; they also formalised many important road concepts such as vehicle registration, registration plates, speed limits, maximum vehicle weight over structures such as bridges, and the organisation of highway authorities.

The most draconic restrictions and speed limits were imposed by the 1865 act (the "Red Flag Act") which required all road locomotives, which included automobiles, to travel at a maximum of 4 mph (6.4 km/h) in the country and 2 mph (3.2 km/h) in the city - as well as requiring a man carrying a red flag to walk in front of road vehicles hauling multiple wagons.

The 1896 Act removed some restrictions of the 1865 act and raised the speed to 14 mph (23 km/h).

The "Locomotives on Highways Act 1896" provided legislation that allowed the automotive industry in the United Kingdom to develop soon after the development of the first practical automobile (see History of the automobile). The last "locomotive act" was the "Locomotives Act 1898".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotive_Acts



Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Atomictie on October 04, 2015, 06:00:08 PM
The idea of having self-driving cars scares me to the death


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Preen on October 04, 2015, 07:50:29 PM
Self driving cars can improve efficiency greatly. Save alot of money as well as lives.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: CoinBateman on October 04, 2015, 07:55:30 PM
Tesla are on the verge of making this a full reality. I believe Google has had self driving cars on their campus for quite some time.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: ThePrinceofTea on October 04, 2015, 08:01:53 PM
Tesla are on the verge of making this a full reality. I believe Google has had self driving cars on their campus for quite some time.

the NRA are kitty compared to what's coming to the opponents of this EVOLUTION. opposing autodrive(tm (C) (R)) would be like climbing back from the biggest black hole horizon event (and even that may be possible). opposition is useless.

those that don't will called antiques, relics or collectors ;).


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: christycalhoun on October 04, 2015, 08:45:29 PM
I wonder how many people will be killed due to errors in these self driving cars. GPS navigation systems and google maps are not even fully accurate.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: MakingMoneyHoney on October 04, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
I wonder how many people will be killed due to errors in these self driving cars. GPS navigation systems and google maps are not even fully accurate.

Really important point. I've often found myself in locations that don't exist on GPS systems, and it saying we're home when we're miles away, etc.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: criptix on October 04, 2015, 09:52:34 PM
I wonder how many people will be killed due to errors in these self driving cars. GPS navigation systems and google maps are not even fully accurate.

Really important point. I've often found myself in locations that don't exist on GPS systems, and it saying we're home when we're miles away, etc.

GPS is more then accurate enough that is not the problem.
Core parts of the self driving car are the information gathering sensors and the software that handles the information correct. There is still more testing needed, also there would be a need to fundamentally change the law regarding car driving (and probaly car insurance).

Imagine a "bug".


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Spendulus on October 04, 2015, 11:10:56 PM
I wonder how many people will be killed due to errors in these self driving cars. GPS navigation systems and google maps are not even fully accurate.

Really important point. I've often found myself in locations that don't exist on GPS systems, and it saying we're home when we're miles away, etc.
Oh, I don't think many would be killed.  That would only be if it was absolutely necessary.

There might be quite a few, though, that didn't get to important meetings on time.  Meetings where things were decided, you know.

People that weren't playing the right side.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: zuziii3 on October 04, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
just wonder how many they could kill heh......


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: Lenore on October 05, 2015, 12:44:31 AM
just wonder how many they could kill heh......

I think the self driving cars woud be cool.  However I could see them being a problem.  Someone mentioned ealier about police beingsbleto.  Use them at there liesure.  Which in time you know would happen.  Not only that with these types of system they would also find a way to know every movment a certain car makes.   Maybe even how long it was at a location or the next location you are headed to.   I dont feel confortable letting such a thing get in the hands of our govenment.   They would know everything that we are doing, where we are, and where we are going.  Im not down for any of that. 

Also someone mentioned about hackers.  Or even moving sensors that the car reads as its driving down the road.  All depends on the system these cars have and how theybare self driven.  But I would bet its possible to make one go off its course.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: ThePrinceofTea on October 05, 2015, 10:28:48 AM
GPS is more then accurate enough that is not the problem.
Core parts of the self driving car are the information gathering sensors and the software that handles the information correct. There is still more testing needed, also there would be a need to fundamentally change the law regarding car driving (and probaly car insurance).

Imagine a "bug".

1. exactly sensors can work offline.
2. a bug like in winxp? however it's impossible that the bug be synchronized among all autodrives (tm, (c), (r)).
3. Imagine a bug in nuclear plants... or traffic lightning, or... autodrive (tm, (c), (r)) is less dangerous...


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: criptix on October 05, 2015, 10:49:05 AM
GPS is more then accurate enough that is not the problem.
Core parts of the self driving car are the information gathering sensors and the software that handles the information correct. There is still more testing needed, also there would be a need to fundamentally change the law regarding car driving (and probaly car insurance).

Imagine a "bug".

1. exactly sensors can work offline.
2. a bug like in winxp? however it's impossible that the bug be synchronized among all autodrives (tm, (c), (r)).
3. Imagine a bug in nuclear plants... or traffic lightning, or... autodrive (tm, (c), (r)) is less dangerous...


1. GPS is not a sensor. And there are no "online sensors" used
2. I dont think you understand what i said.
3. No need to imagine, already happened.
Bugs will be important regarding driving and insurance.


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: ThePrinceofTea on October 05, 2015, 10:58:37 AM
GPS is more then accurate enough that is not the problem.
Core parts of the self driving car are the information gathering sensors and the software that handles the information correct. There is still more testing needed, also there would be a need to fundamentally change the law regarding car driving (and probaly car insurance).

Imagine a "bug".

1. exactly sensors can work offline.
2. a bug like in winxp? however it's impossible that the bug be synchronized among all autodrives (tm, (c), (r)).
3. Imagine a bug in nuclear plants... or traffic lightning, or... autodrive (tm, (c), (r)) is less dangerous...


1. GPS is not a sensor. And there are no "online sensors" used
2. I dont think you understand what i said.
3. No need to imagine, already happened.
Bugs will be important regarding driving and insurance.

gps is a sensor, it sense the position of global position satellites. other sensors are movement detection, temperature etc etc...

sensor sense reality into data (1,0). sensors are gateway to digitization.

there aren't that many pasterns of behavior (or event) in the road... (I mean in trillion)...


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: criptix on October 05, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
GPS is more then accurate enough that is not the problem.
Core parts of the self driving car are the information gathering sensors and the software that handles the information correct. There is still more testing needed, also there would be a need to fundamentally change the law regarding car driving (and probaly car insurance).

Imagine a "bug".

1. exactly sensors can work offline.
2. a bug like in winxp? however it's impossible that the bug be synchronized among all autodrives (tm, (c), (r)).
3. Imagine a bug in nuclear plants... or traffic lightning, or... autodrive (tm, (c), (r)) is less dangerous...


1. GPS is not a sensor. And there are no "online sensors" used
2. I dont think you understand what i said.
3. No need to imagine, already happened.
Bugs will be important regarding driving and insurance.

gps is a sensor, it sense the position of global position satellites. other sensors are movement detection, temperature etc etc...

sensor sense reality into data (1,0). sensors are gateway to digitization.

there aren't that many pasterns of behavior (or event) in the road... (I mean in trillion)...


You are right. I was wrong in my explanation.
What i meant to say is that gps isnt used as a selfdriving sensor like infrared light and radio waves.
Gps shows the car which way to take. The other sensors and the processing software  will drive the car.

It is sometimes annoying to not talk in your mother tongue.

*edit

Regarding your last sentence.
Every single human is an infinite amount of events :)


Title: Re: Self-Driving Cars Could Save 300,000 Lives Per Decade in America
Post by: BADecker on October 05, 2015, 12:22:52 PM
Yabut. Think of what this will do to insurance, especially if you drive both kinds of vehicle.

:)