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For more experienced traders (or at least some experience) there. Which would be the minimum to invest in order to have a chance to profit from trading? I would like to start as low has 10k satoshis, but as I have seen, many exchanges have minimums and minimums fees and that does not feel reasonable.

Let's say that we put a goal to earn 20k satoshis a day (on average) from trading... How much would you see you have to employ to achieve that?

You refer in trading alt coins? If you want profit from trading you should consider starting with a higher amount of coins to start. You won't gwt anywhere with your 10k satoshi. Indeed some sites has huge fees so you will only lose with that. Consider maybe starting with 0.01 btc.

Also make sure you know how the trading life works.

Thanks for the feedback. I mean trading alts, btc... trading in general. Do not know much about trading, but after reading the forums for a while, and seeing mainly the old tip "buy low sell high" and almost nothing more, I have come to think that the best way to learn is starting trading with small amounts.

I thank you for providing an estimate (0.01 BTC). Most people would go "it depends" and all that.  ;D

Any more opinions?

Well I only trade every now and then. Never really get the hang of it, but I do trade only one alt coins. I'm not mentioning here. So what I do, like what they've said buy low sell high, do not sell too high tho.

Also do not be fooled with those ROM (rise only market) coins. I tried them once and got blinded with a really high profit but then if you are not fast ebough to act, you wont get any from it.

Always monitor the price of the coins that you are trading.
Do not buy coins with less than 0.1% volume it's a dead coin. The higher the volume is the more likely you will get profit. ;)

Also try buyin on a site where you can get a coin much cheaper then sell it to another exchange site with a higher selling price. :D

Trading is only a matter of patience. LOL.

Goodluck!

I have made very small trades, mainly BTC for LTC or Doge, and got a profit sometimes. Do not trust much other coins. But the profit has been very small amounts of satoshis. That is why I was asking.

May I ask the coin you trade?

If your main concern was small amount to kick start trading, then you must start with alternate crypto-currencies. With alt coins you can trade for bitcoin. This would eliminate your risks in greater degree. But we need to follow the buying pressure and some chart patterns to make our trades more successful.

I would like to learn about those chart patterns. But almost every time I ask something, I get the "buy low sell high" thing, that everybody knows. Even searching in the forum I get pretty much the same.

Thanks for your post too.

i would try with one btc, and trade 1/100 of it every time and see how it go, if there is a good profit, i can increase that amount depend on profit, with x2 profit i would go x2 on the next trade, etc...

I do not see any advantages for staring with higher amount. When a trader trades for a goal on daily basis. He will feel the pressure for making profits. So, we must need trade for with out any short term targets. Calm mind can make good trades. Starting with minimum investment can guarantee a calm mind set.

Yes, don't force it. When you force trades, you will make mistakes and lose money.

When I used to trade, I started with 1 BTC. That was an OK amount for me and even if the exchange went bust, I would live with it. This is something you need to be aware of. When you trade, you leave coins on the exchange. That means that if someone hacks the exchange, your coins are probably gone. Just another risk of trading.

Than go with the flow. Don't force. What you make daily with this 1 BTC you make!

Thanks for all the replies. I am taking good note of them.

I know it is not easy to make an estimate, but with cloudmining, pos coins and the like, I have calculated that I can do about a 0.1 % daily (1 sathoshi per thousand invested). It is easy to make that on average by trading without risking too much?

if you want to earn good you have to invest nearly 1 BTC then only i think you can see some 20% profit minimum

any 1BTC any 10BTC the amount is not guaranteed profit, if you trade btc-altcoin. Wherewiththe higher  amount the more you can lose ;D

The amount you trade depends on your willingness to lose money. However, if that's covered, then you should look at the volume of the asset you intend to trade and try to stay lean.

Simple,the more bankroll you have to start trading the more you can profit but as you are saying you want to start with just 10k satoshi then i am afraid you won't be in profit because i don't think you can trade with such low amount because of the various exchanges fees and bitcoin network fees.
I would advice start with minimum 0.01 bitcoin to earn atleast 10k satoshi per day easily with forex :)

The minimum is depend on you.you can start trading for as low as 0.001 bitcoin but it depends on the pair you trade like btc/doge you can trade with as low as 0.00000500 btc.

your denominated in units turned out to be satoshis...  :-\

I think if you make profits from trading, at lease 0.1 btc to start.

From my experience i think the minimum you must invest is atleast 50k satoshis . and have an aim to double it in a week.

I usually buy small coins in bulk and wait for them to raise a bit and sell them off.

Ex: DOGED coin 5 satoshis per coin.. i will buy 50000/5 coins that is 10k coins.. in morning

In evening i will sell them if price has increased by even 1 satoshi.. 6 *10k will give me 60k satoshi .. so i got 10k profit in a day..

But be carefull .. if the coin looses its value . you will suffer loss.. look at the background of coin and distribution and then trade.

Start off with an amount you don't care about. Chances are it'll go up in smoke. It takes a long, long time to conquer standard human behaviour when it comes to trading.

His question is for minimum BTC on trading..
1 BTC is quite big, and i usually use your methods too in trading BTC/USD.

If you asking me how minimum BTC for trading, my answer is there are no minimum or maximum.
If you just have 100,000 satoshies, then you can trade it too.

But to sell them in small amount, of course you just get small money or $.

there are no rules, no minimum or maximums. But you should know that bitcoin was not intended to be an investment and you may well lose big. It could work, but it's like using a prescription "off-label". if you just use it as money you don't have to worry about these things. 

Yes, but if you decide to trade with less than 1 BTC, in my experience, you won't make a damn thing and you will just waste your time. 1 bitcoin is really not a lot to trade with. Especially now when the price is $250. I have traded with 2 BTCs regularly when the price was $700.

Come to think of it, I believe you are right. I have trade for hundreds and thousands of dollars investing in stock market, and now there is quite a fear to trade a full BTC, which in the end is less money LOL.

I suppose it is because the BTC were too hard to earn.

i started with $100 at the very beginning. at that point it was all i could justify spending on bitcoin for investment purposes. just invest with what you can afford.

also the 1 btc thing, i was referrint to, was only for bankroll, you don't trade directly with it, you trade with 1/100 portion of it, like in poker

In my experience starting trading with stable alternate crypto-currencies like litecoin or dogecoin or some other coin would be the better choice for minimum risk associated for a the beginner. I too have started with dogecoin because it was slow in movement and profitable in long run.

The beauty of bitcoin is that even small amounts of bitcoin can be traded as easily as big amounts.

So there isn't really a large threshold to become a successful bitcoin trader. If you want to trade for pennies you totally can.

Yes many people start trading with Dogecoin just to minimize the risk involved in bitcoin trading and to learn bitcoin trading in real time. So start trading in alt coin with minimum amount of alt coin would be more advisable for the new bitcoin trading aspirants.

"Trading is only a matter of patience. LOL." - LOL?

I would not recommend listening to that for successful trading. Patience is an important matter in real trading, yes. But in Altcoin trading, it is pure luck. The reason behind that is simple: Altcoins have such a low volume that your profit solely depends on single individuals, and if they're willing to move the coin into your direction.

Buying and selling Altcoins really has nothing to do with trading. It's gambling. And if you want to make money long term, I'd recommend using markets which have real volume, because then, you can spot trends and use them to profit.
So, recommended markets are generally LTC and upward (meaning in crypto, only BTC, plus traditional markets, such as Forex, Commodities, Stocks, Indices). It's also gambling to some extent, but you're not depending on where a small group of often crooked individuals want the market to move.

It takes time. Many traders take years until they become profitable traders who manage to scoop consistent money off of the markets.
If you want to keep (and maybe increase) your money, I'd recommend to stay away from Altcoins completely.


.edit: I lost thousands trading Altcoins, when I was "young" (in crypto experience terms). Did not have the experience I have now, and I misunderstood classic "stay the fuck away" signals (ongoing pumps) as "fomo in ASAP" signals. Glad it was no money I was depending on in any way.

Can anybody here recommend what coins to look at to get into trading?
Think of it as the "faucets" of trading, as in a way to get started and get the hang of it before moving to something bigger.
Thanks

Dogecoin is the better one to kick start your trading to test your skills as well as patients. If you look for certain higher level means I personally can suggest to go with clam coins as I see it more active in some specific exchanges.

Thanks a lot for your advice! The low volume/ gambling explanation really went deep on me.

Would help to know about what you mean with the "classic signals" I am such a newbie I don't even know about them.

I might also start trading with bitcoin once I get to have reasonable amount to trade.
I might have to learn everything though, coin trading is much different than stock market :)

Yes. If you look for minimum amount of risk for your first trades then you must choose alt coins to starting trading. But people look for hot markets with more volatile to grab more earning opportunities. But volatile markets are more riskier to wipe out all the investments.

At least 5 Bitcoins and you can start, otherwise you can have very small profit  ;)

I am not sure are you just joking or what but that's way too much! Too much risk, you will lose a lot if you make wrong decisions. Also to hold 5 BTCs on any exchange is way to much! I would never done it.

5 bitcoins? I'm not ready to take this much risks. Even though I do not have 5 bitcoins either. Trading should begin with very low investments as we do not know how the market will react to our predictions. Some people here suggesting alt coin trading that must be the good idea for beginners.

there is something called leverage, you can start with a much lower bankroll and do x20-x50 leverage, it would be the same, but the difference is that it offer everyone the pssibility to trade and make big profit

I started with 1 btc and doubled it in a week.

Yes 5 bitcoin is a very big money to start your bitcoin trading. Taking leverage also must be riskier as it will auto square off your open positions when the open trade goes off against your predictions. Better do with small lot from a small investment for a small target.

It depends ;)

When is started i had about 0.01 to 0.1 to invest, but this barely is worth the risk and time.
I now play with about 2-3 BTC which makes this whole game more interesting.

Personally when i have free time firstly i analyze the market.
I analyze the price how often is changing and then i put 1BTC
After that i make a sell order with 0.5-1% higher and often get a very small profit.

I used to do that in the regular stock market. Buying, them selling for a very small profit, but making much buying / selling.

So you need a big amount to do so, right?

Its better option because slowly you can win race but if you will go without any analyze and spending huge amount its bringing you down badly

I think yes, a big amount to trade is required.
But as everyone i started with a small amount.
Just make a goal how much do you think to earn (being realistic)

Whether it's BTC or Forex, 0.1 BTC ($25) is the minimum amount you need to start trading with to earn profit as starting with below this amount won't earn you much profit and it would be as good as not trading. I started trading with $25 on instaforex and $20 on ecoin.eu and the minimum I could make was about $6-$10 in a week which is worth it.

If you are new to trading, my advice is to start small and gradually increase your size as you become better.
At the beginning, you should only risk the money you can afford to lose.

Most sites have a fixed % of your trades though. Like 0.2% so in theory it won't matter what you start with as long as you have the patience to do good trades. Your 0.001 will be growing anyway at the same rate as your 0.1 would have. Just that it's going to take you a lot longer to reach higher numbers starting that low.

Percentage of commission are far good when we compare with fixed pipes. Almost all the forex trading are doing with this kind of commission style. So we must earn more than that to make our trading profitable. But luckily we have percentage of commission with bitcoin trading.

It's probably wise to start off with low amount of BTC if you are just beginning trading.
Only trade with amounts you are comfortable losing.

Starts with money that you can lose with  ;D

I'd say about 0.5 BTC, so you can stay ahead of your losses.

how much leverage does it give?
I started trading on Oanda with $200 and I earn just about $1 per pip, you can't earn a dollar per pip with just $25 as the leverage would be an issue.
The bigger the starting investment the higher chance that you get to learn after losing.

5 bitcoin is very big amount for a new starter. I think the novice should start trading with much smaller amount, something like 0.1 bitcoin.

If you are new to trading, you should be expected to lose money at the beginning.
Either becasue you will make some mistakes entering orders, or because you don't have "a feel" for the market yet.
Treat this money as the "tuition fee" you are going to pay for learning how to trade.

My advice is to start with as little as your exchange allows you and take it from there.
Once you are feeling more confident, you can add more capital, but do it slowly.

In your head, it will feel totally different trading 0.01 btc and 10 btc.

Markets are brutal for those who feel over-confident, whether it is stock, forex or bitcoin.

exactly. keep in mind that every time you ttrade someone else is betting on the other side against you. thats sort ofd how it works.
but i still do recommend to start with about 2btc with your proven trading system.

At least 1 bitcoin

Bitcoin trading doesn't have to be a zero-sum game any more.
The person on the other side of your trade might be hedging his long position, it could be somebody using bitcoin to send funds to his familiy abroad or it could be a retailer selling bitcoins he's accepted as a payment.

The more uses there are for bitcoin, the more mature and stable market we are going to have.

Good to know that. Same thing with Forex Trading?

I don't see any software to use with bitcoin actually unlike having the MT4 when it comes to Forex market. All I have seen is the BitcoinWisdom which is just fro browsers.

trading is fairly complicated, i tried trading a couple months ago and am still trying to make money off it to this day.
i would start off with something small, maybe like 10-20 bucks and learn when you should buy/sell before you put more capital in.

it depends what you are planing to trade... if it's Bitcoin future with 10-20x leverage you will only need like 0.05-0.1 get some experience.

If you want to trade something like the traditional Forex market 0.02-0.05 btc would be enough to start getting experience over time.

True. It is pointless in trading in satoshis. why invest so much time and resources. Start with a lower Bitcoin value and buy only as much as you can afford to lose. Do not be over-cautious but never be too greedy. Put in a reasonable cap on your expected profit and start the buying-selling process then.

If you want to test your trading strategy, you can use small amount of money. If you want to make profit, you have to invest meaningful amount of money justify your time.

first find 5-10 faucets and click to 50k sat ...you will need a day or two. Then start trading. You will see if it is for you.

Forget satoshis, start with at least 0.01 Bitcoins. that will at least be substantial to invest and incur significant returns. Also, important thing, DO NOT invest more than you can afford to lose. Always invest as much that will not affect you when you lose it as then when you do earn it the profit limit is the sky in that case.

To learn how to trade fairly 1 Bitcoin

To start on trading and really feels the profit somehow, I suggested to start at least BTC.5 or much better BTC1. You can start even 50k satoshis but it might take longer to feel and monitor your improvement.

-Read some speculations
-Read some latest BTC news
-Always monitor the price chart

This thread might help you to observe BTC prices.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.0

I started with 100 USD which i called learning morning. The money was not meant for profit but just for learning the market etc.

After my learning time i still got 80 USD. With that i added some more money (500 USD). After 2 weeks i checked my progress. If there was 20% profit i would double it. If i had loss or less then 20% i waited more.

With the profits i gained, half would be converted back to fiat, half would I reinvest. A solid strategy that worked for me.

Better to trade with as low as 0.01BTC rather than satoshis. Let the amount be as significant that a plausible profit can be earned. Trade only as much as you can afford to lose at that moment. That will give you a better idea of the risk but for the profit - the sky is the limit my friend.

Great. Things works for you well.

Well my suggested initial investment to start in trading was based only on my own. I started at BTC0.2 as my learning stage and somehow I make profit but it's just an small amount and I can't feel it. After surpassing that stage I add some little amount to invest and today's somehow I feel Im gaining profit much more than my previous profit.

I agree. Start with a significant amount of at least 0.01 BTC so you can at least have a more significant profit after the fees. Trading in satoshis will not be advisable as the time/resource factor will mean a less remarkable ROI.

Enhu,

Do you think there would be an interest in the MT4-type software for the bitcoin trading ?

i've learned that the best strategy is to try to earn big by starting with a very small amount, if you can't succeed in this then you known that you were going to lose money if you were going big

if you can turn 0.01 in 0.02, you can do the same with 1 or 10, but you need to do it first with the small amount, where there are no risk

In my experince the psychology of trading 10 btc is very different than trading 0.01 btc.
Once you start trading money that really matter to you, emotions can get in the way and cloud your judgment.

Not to mention that it is easier to get fills on the smaller volume.

in my experience watching the price chart too much is mentally draining. there's a chance that you let your emotions get better and get tricked into panic selling or buying. watch the charts but have a life and keep emotions in check

Well that sounds like great advice. If you can double a small amount, you are more likely to have the abilities to trade higher amounts. Great point.

I guess that it also builds patience, as you cut the urge of being rich fast by using this method.

The difference between trading amounts like 0.01 and 1 - 10 Bitcoins is huge. People are more likely to take more risks with very low amounts. They won't dare to do the same with for example 1 Bitcoin.

yeah i know, but you need to practice a lot first with the small amount to increase your confidence and reduce emotions as low as possible

if you're able to systematically turn 0.01 into 0.02 at least, let's say 6-7-8 times out of 10, i'm sure you can do then the same with a bigger amount

it's about practice really, the big problem is emotions in trading, because you're not accustomed to it, you don't do it daily, it's a bit like laddering in starcraft 2 :D

Yes, emotions are the b***h! But these emotions tend to get out of hand when you start risking more and more of your money! Trust me, I've been there and I've done it. Even if you are successful 9 out of 10 times with 0.1 BTCs, when you decide to risk 1 or 2 BTCs your brain just starts freaking out! :)

people who trade with emotions and without thinking are most likely ending up with losses. then they blame bitcoin for their own mistakes.

0.00000001 LTC or FTC etc.

That is what i did.

Can't turn that into large money ?
Then you suck and shouldn't be doing this trading stuff.

I started with .01 BTC and made over 14,000% profit my first season (winter) trading.. Thousands of trades..

Start with 10-50 dollars and work your way up. During the training you will learn a lot of things and with time you will be able to read the market better and better.

From there you have made (hopefully ;) some more money, and thus you can start some serious trading.

its depending you trading skill..if you have learn a good trading,minimum amount is not matter ;D

i think you can start with 2.000.000satosi
you can earn 20.000/day it's very small only 1%/day and 30%/month
but be carefull, because you will get lose if you buy and sell at wrong time

Exactly start with less money, so there is less risk involved. Eventually you get the hang of it and you can earn more easy a quick buck while reading the market.

Yes, the more you try and learn the better you develop skills needed for a day trader.

Remember it goes with ups and downs.

Probably you will not believe me, but I started with 20,000 Satoshi earned from faucets (it was 30000 - 10000 fee) I start trading altcoins on poloniex. In first two weeks almost every day I was doubling or tripling my coins. After around 3 weeks I have 0.10 but then i buy one scam coin and i lost a lot .. later I deposit money and everything change;)

Agree with this guy. I use 50 USD to start my trading capital. And that amount perfect to start for me. Goodluck

nice history trade
you can get double triple in someday but you can lose at 1 day maybe 1hours

me too i can get 0.05/day at huobi (some month ago, when i active at litecoin trade) but i lose all of my money ~1.6btc
i buy litecoin at price 45cny then after 1 hours down to 19CNY  :(

It is better not to be a day trader. 90% of day trader will lose money. One reason is that the trading cost fees. The second reason you cannot sell at the top and buy at the bottom most of the time.

but but what if i told you i have a magic crystal ball from the oracle of omaha

You can try to start with any amount you want.

Is there a kind of stop-loss thing in BTC trading that you have in forex? Just to be on the safe side if market goes opposite your prediction in the end and you don't want to lose all your bankroll in the very first trade... I'm just asking because I don't want to do day trade because I can't check the price during the working hours so I need something to close my position if price starts to move agains me.

Yes most exchanges have ways to put in a stop loss and/or triggers to execute trades if the price reaches your target. Triggers and stop losses are a very good idea..

It is all about risk management and stopping loss is a huge part of being successful.. If you make 5 trades, loose 1% each on 4 of them but make 12% on one good trade you are up 8%.

You cannot make a good trade every time IMO, you only have to make a few good trades of many as long as your gains in the good trades outweigh your losses in not so good trades.

I'm new in trading, but in last week i earned about 0.01 BTC on trading. Well it was more following some news and people's talking. On ACP i earned mostly of that, something on XYS and something little from few others. I was buying with all money I had and I sell on first big rise. I didn't have patience to wait cause of that I didn't earn more but for first times I think its enough. And 10k satoshis is maybe good for some new coins,but for some better ones u need much more. Anyway try something, wait for new coins and try to predict price. Also find some good traders and folow their posts or tweets. Good luck man!

But yet there are enough daytraders... right.

Their incentive must be profit. I think they trade in big volumes and with that they don't need to sell at the top. When the bitcoin price is let's say 240 USD and they sell 100 bitcons at 250 USD. their profit is 1000 - 200 (fee) = around 800 usd. That's just 1 day...From the other 29 days they need just 2 more days like that and they have a nice income.

I do however think this is very risky.

There is absolutely no fixed amount that you can start with when it comes to trading. The best thing is to always start with a proper research to find the area you are investing. After doing so, you will be able to make a plan and just try to see the resources that will make you start the work. I ca say that when it comes to trading, your passion and attitude stands tall against any other factors. You can have lots of money but not will to trade in a certain field then end up in losses.

When it comes to Bitcoin there is definitely not a fixed amount for investing. I know some one who have bought only $30 worth of Bitcoin. Just to test where Bitcoin goes. If it's worth a lot one day, then fine, if not then fine too.

The quantity of your realized profits alone is a mostly useless identifier of the trades success..

For example if you invested 100 BTC into the trade and made .01 this is typical of barely getting out by the skin of your teeth and the risk vs reward for this trade would almost certinly not be worth it..

Or if you invested .001 into the trade and made .01 this is an excellent trade indeed. Try to think of it as a percentage gain rather than just the quantity of realized profits.

My favorite indicator, Trollbox hype..

I believe this may be a good trading characteristic to have, if you have a habit of selling too early at least you are locking in positive profits. Any gain is a good gain.

The more you put on a trade the harder it gets to get all of it in and then get all of it back out the market must have more liquidity.. You have better chances of making a good trade with less invested because it will be much easier for you to get the best market price.

Once you start trading with enough BTC to push smaller markets around you will know what I mean.


Think of the psychology behind what others say. If someone says "Buy DGB" most times what they really mean is "Buy my sell orders" or if they sit there rambling on about how good some coin is it's very likely they are trying to hype to pump the market so they can sell. Also a lot of the time someone will FUD in attempt to bring the price down so they can buy cheaper.. There is almost always a motive or personal agenda behind what they say. They are saying whatever they think will make for the best outcome for them personally.

There are a lot of exchanges..  http://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/volume/24-hour/ and I only know a few personally..

I doubt there are many, if any, exchanges that you would be at a disadvantage at with less than .5 BTC.. Just make sure you aren't bottoming out on the minumum fees to where they impose a greater % fee because you are so small, and some have a minimum withdraw amount.. Do some research on ones you think you may like before jumping in head first..

I personally think trading crypto is a lot different than stocks and forex. Prices change in crypto for seemingly no reason all the time, just look at how many people are trying to figure out what caused the recent BTC pumps.. I don't think chart analysis and those sort of market indicators apply very well to crypto either because crypto is too random. 

try with small amount of money. You will lose a lot of before you get knowledge about making profit

Try with small amount and learn the better you develop skills needed for a day trader. if you can turn 0.01 in 0.02, you can do the same with 1 or 10, where there are no risk

There are a lot of books about stock trading. There iare a few, but less about trading forex. Is there any book about trading crypto, or any guide for beginners? Or, everyone should learn it on his own experience? If crypto price is too random to use the indicators like we use at trading stocks or forex, what are your drivers to make a decision about opening/closing a position? It's OK for me if you provide me a trustable link where I can start learning, I don't want you to write a book for me about crypto trading :)

when you decide to be trader,you must decide how much you will take profit on it,and it also happen how much you will start with.
if you wish earn 20k satoshi,you should try it with 20k start. logic?

I like the rule, you should start with salary for 1 month!!!
if you lose money is not much impact on your life.

I think proper money management is as important as you starting capital.

You should definitely use a small amount as a demo account so you at least know what your risk for appetite is and also .more importantly if you the required mindset for trading and can handle your emotions well. I would say starting with 1K usd is good. Also you should not be risking more than 2% per trade as you can come back even with several losses as your loss is limited. Hope this has helped

I think with 0.01 you can start trade at bittrex, yobit, poloniex, c-cex or other market
im start trade with 0.05 BTC sometimes i get profit 0.02/week sometimes 0.01 and sometimes -0.01

I have never heard of this rule before. And that's probably because it's nonsense. People should simply invest what they can afford, and what they surely know they don't need the comming years. For you it might be $1000 and for the other it's just $100, even when his salary is around $900 or more.

Yeah, any tips on what moves crypto markets?

I would not put up more than you are okay to lose.  If trading alts 0.01 is good enough to find your way about, one tip is do not be greedy, if you are backing a coin that has risn 300% in 24 hours and you have made some profit you should sell them pretty soon as it will at some point fall back down.

it is very well known already, small altcoin are moved by manipulators, by anyone practically, they have no volume, even those in top 10 can be easily manipulated, bitcoin is no exception

but bitcoin can also be moved by legit demand that believe in it, instead the other only for a 100% speculation

It has happened to me ,  i keep hold the coin even it already crossed 200% .
Until i realize the price back down and down even worst.

For altcoin trading, you can put in 0.001 bitcoin without any problem. Those amount of bitcoin worth a lot of altcoins.

I started trading with .04 and its now .103. All that matters is the percentages you earn. If you have more money to play with, you could potentially gain more from the same margin percentages simply because you can buy more coins. I just watch the charts and look for a wave to ride and then swim back to shore before the sharks come.

I'd probably start with about 3btc or more before going into trading, it seem like you can't feel the amount earned with small amount as capital. It does seem like earning just about $25 per inflation isn't worth the wait you did.

Well for a serious trader one must have a quiet big amount to start on trading world as it will take you to much noticeable progress if you gain or loss. With only a small amount you can't really see clearly how your progress is going on.

What if one has no big amount like that? I sugggest one to start doing small trades at fair amount and all returns including the capital , i said ALL, must used and rotate in order to have a much earnings every successful move and after you gain a quiet big amount just used all of it to start on big trades. Really time consuming and one must need patience.

I don't see how much you can gain in btc trading  unless you wait for the pump but unlike doing it with forex, you just need $200 and a leverage to which you can earn a $1 per pip.  A single movement in a day depending on the pair may reach up to a hundred pip to which you can earn about $100 as well. this of course if you can bid at the right time.

Honestly in my BTC trading history, I don't need to wait for a price pump just to make profit. It's a rule of buying coins in a dip situation. I didn't set any low target price that much like others always did and now stuck up waiting for nothing.

I really make a quiet profit up to now and gains some coins after a "patience" method.

Depend to the kind of system you have.
Some are scalpers bid and exiting an open position in a minute time frame even before it starts retracing and this can mean gain to them. They can do this the whole day to which I believe we can't in btc trading.

I forgot to state that Im doing a direct trade from the exchange itself and not on by placing orders by others (well Im doing this too but I focus on direct trade).This is a special feature that our local exchange have.

20.000 satoshi doesn't seem like much right now. If you're going to hold for a long time this will be okay to trade for. But if you're looking for a quick small profit, I think you'd have to buy more than that.

And of course if the trend turns opposite you, you can also lose $1 per pip. If you don't use stop, it can be a huge loss. Leverage is a double edged sword or similar... But if you have good strategy and you can stick to it, you can win also

Lol of course downside trends are normal. If that's doesn't happen then everyone will not suffer loss for a lifetime lol. That's why there are some wise and suggested moves to prevent and minimize huge loss.

Depends on what you are trading

I would also add: make sure trading is not your only investment option.

You should also consider the time you spend trading, reading about it, getting up do date with the economy... It's time you could use in something that would be, eventually, more profitable.

If you want to test your trading strategy, you can use small amount of money. If you want to make profit, you have to invest meaningful amount of money justify your time.

If you want to test your trading strategy, you can use small amount of money. If you want to make profit, you have to invest meaningful amount of money justify your time.

in other words, you can invest as much as you can afford to lose and do not regret.

It's like you have a great daily job with high salary and the salary depends on the time you work on it. In this case you will be better hire a gardener, cleaning lady, go to a restaurant to eat something instead of trying to do these things on your own and try to save money on the above mentioned things. It's just doesn't worth the time, because instead of trying to cook yourself a three course meal you can do some business and with the same time invested you can earn much more money compared to the money you would save on the restaurant bill.
So if you have a different opportunity to earn more money, think it twice that you really want to start this.

Well to earn big you have to invest more but here i think you are putting money just to learn how things work so 20k satoshi is a fair amount well i have tryed my trading skills with as low as 100k satoshi and yes i did many loss but today i am a successful trader i can do upto 15-20% profit in a month

if you invest more, your return will be more as well as your loss. so invest how much you can afford to loss otherwise don't ever try trading.

And yes more or less all exchanges having set 10k sat as the minimum trade amount. so if you've good trading/speculation knowledge, you can get  returns from that 10k sat too.

I think if you are really serious about the trading,you should get over satoshi's because the outcome won't be as good and there is not much you can expect out of satohsi's but satohsi's.If you can somehow wait and manage to make atleast 0.20btc you can expect good results in trades.Moreover people don't really like to trade for such low amounts as satoshi's.

Like gambling, for trading also it would be recommended to have fair enough initial investments to flourish in bitcoin trading. I believe some 100 mBTC would be a better amount to start trading.

True as small amount satoshis can't earn you enough unlike one full BTC. A serious trader needs to take risk and I feel not 0.2 but atleast 0.25 BTC should be the minimum as then the profit margin would be $10. Trading for below $10 isn't worth as the price takes time to rise and exchange websites charge fee as well for each withdrawal.

Well it all depends on how much you have anyways.

But usually I start with 0.1

I started with 100k satoshi and now it is going well...  ;D

Just paper trade for a month or two.  After that, you can start trading small amounts and work up from 0.01 to 1+ btc.

I think with 1,00,000 satoshi you can have a better trading starting and have a noticeable profit..
And some experience is also necessary for a good starting.i also had started with some satoshis only and by on other side with other earnings..
I suggest you to start on yobit.net which gives some free coins at a time period..

It's better to start with $10. $5 to loose and test some basic strategies. And the next $5 is the real thing that should make you pile up profits slowly and steadily.

If you want your coins faster, it's going to cost you; purpose-built mining rigs start around a few thousand, like the $2,400 128 GHs Bitcoin Miner from Advance Mining Technology, and only go up from there. You can also build your own rig, however mining cards such as the Monarch BPU 300 C from Butterfly Labs aren't much cheaper

For me no minimum you need cause me i started with 50k sats and earn double or triple of my deposit so you can start trading at any amount you want you just need a good strategy on trading and patience then read about the coin you want to buy to know if it possible to increase or its a scam coin that's what i can tip to you

There is nothing to be a minimum in trading. Most trading websites have few limitations. One is that if you have bitcoin above certain value your trade will be active else that will be inactive.

Yes, practically you can start your trading for the any minimum amount you prefer with. Localbitcoins kind of exchanges provided the opportunity to trade in person. So, you will get chances to trade with whatever minimum amount which is available with you.

Yeah ,that was a better suggestion .1,000.000 or 0.01  then make it half to invest on two different altcoins to try on .
I notice that they have limitations to go and trade some sites have a limit of 0.0003and lower are rate is not acceptable to buy an altcoin.

I think there is no such limit for bitcoin trading. you can start trading from a very low amount. every if you have no money at all. no need to worry you can still do trading after joining a signature campaign. where you can earn a decent amount of bitcion. from which you can do next trading.

I can trade the bitcoin with other altcoins. I can trade with 0.001 bitcoin, without problem. I think there is no limit.

Your 10k satoshi is enough for starting your trade , but for earning from that, you will have a genius planning for that and have to know all the tricks for earning from exchanges and have to know about the exchanges that at which you can get your goal easily.

Yes, of course in alt trading you can start with any minimum amount in my case with yobit alttcoin trading, I usually start with 0.01 which can make some noticeable profits to me every time :)

for starting trading with bitcoin there is no any minimum limit you can start from any amount and increase it to mountain, but the limits are put there by the exchanges they have their rules, on yobit the minimum limit is 0.0001, so at there you can start with that amount.

i start trading in 1$ then after a month i make it 100$ just learning from other traders

i recommend CREVA,LTC,DOGE,RBIES&ETH

It is really nice if you are starting low and that is because you can see now that the value of Bitcoin is going to be more worth and start low because you also can lose some money.
And you are making some mistakes also and that is really bad but you can even learn from it so that is nice.

If you don't mind my asking what exchange do you trade in, would love to know as i have less capital and want to start low, i must say i have learnt quite a handful about trading from this thread so far

Me too if i want to know what trading site is it .but i am actually do trading in two diferrent sites ,but now im stock because i have a coins that are sleeping 2 months ago till now.its a lost. I started it at about $25 per coin .

Any amount that you can . its a matter of  observation to double it up .. but   remember this  If you invested  a big amount of money  chances are you will gain a lot of money or loss a lot of money

For me when i'm a newbie on trading i deposit 0.025 bitcoin and i observed that it is a good amount to start because you can buy many different altcoins and also it's better to put big capital to get bigger profit.

There should be no minimum - instead focus on a maximum you should be trading with. Never more than you can afford to lose!

I started trading with the dust I collected from faucets. Cents eventually became dollars, dollars were lost, gained...but now I'm up hundreds. Just gotta know how to play the game without risking too much!

It is really nice to start low and that is because in the beginning you have not the experience yet to earn some huge profit.
And you are also making some mistakes so it will be not that worst if you are losing it.

Yeah don't put huge amount of money if you are just getting started in trading. Doing trading with a small amount can help you to gain experience and make better decisions.

The great thing about the cryptocurrency exchanges is that the fee for trading is a percentage of the amount you are trading rather than a flat fee. This allows us to trade in very small amounts and you can still make a profit. Any amount you have, you can trade to make money.

The minimum at trading is 0.0001 satoshi,you can profit by that amont only but if you want more profit i recommend you to use an high starter funds like 0.05 you can use much bitcpin for trading cause in trading they are no loost at all if you master it

Minimum is 0.0001 bitcoin you can start trading on that amount but this is very small investment and this not earn more profit. Now you are the one to set your limit not below 0.0001 bitcoin invest what you can affort to lose not much on that

It seems to me that anyone who wants to engage in this trade, should start from something like this:
http://www.investopedia.com/university/forexmarket/forex1.asp

I had a teacher who taught me various things about bitcoin. even he who introduced me with bitcoin. he told me, if you want to play a trade, you should have at least 0.5 BTC in your pocket, because if you play with money trade below 0.5 BTC, it will be very difficult

10k satoshis aren't a lot at all, actually some sites have even larger fees than that so you would only lose your profit i think

And when i started to use altcoins trading, i started with 0,03 bitcoin and i got around 0,002 profit each day i think only from trading

I would say the minimum is around 1btc just to be a great active investor. As long as you can make something out of it i think that it really doesnt matter if you have a lot or a little btc it just depends on what makes you happy..

If making smaller money makes you happy you could use even like .1btc.

.03 isnt bad but .002 a day i dont see it as worth it depending on the actually hours you work, i would reccomend putting like half a btc in there to make sure you make some good profit a day.

like i reply on other thread i started at .0005BTC then now i have .05BTC in 6 months of trade but if you want 20k satoshi per day i think you need a big principal like .1BTC depends on what kind of trading you will do if you trade on yobit i can help you with that

trading with less than 0.01 bitcoin is not worth the risk. there are faucets that pays 1000 satoshi a day instead.

this topic is about the starting amount not the amount that you use your whole life. yest it is not worth it to trade with a small amount but it is a good idea to actually start trading and learning things with a very small amount even. just to learn and take less risk, and then in time increase the amount.

and you second part of you comment about faucet doesn't even make any sense.

Theres no minimum required if you know how to trade properly you can make your money grow

i have to say that i don't think that there is any correct amount of money to start trading, i think that you can start trading with 0,0001 bitcoin or even more actually

and personally, i started with 0,5 bitcoin and in 2 years  i made alike 3 bitcoins profit from that only, but of course that you can start with lower amount of money

There is no minimum indeed. Your profit (if you are a good trader) will not change in %. But yes with more money you can grow you money faster in trading.

you can get minimum capital trading, you can try trading is altcoin
you can try trading is price altcoin is low price example, dogecoin and manymore,

If you referring to alt coin trading 0.05 would be enough to start buying different alt coins with cheap price but you need to be careful on buying alt coins because some them are just shitcoins so better to do some research first before buying alt coins.

I alway start with 0.1btc to 0.25btc you can't expect decent return if the amount of btc too low

I alway start with 0.1btc to 0.25btc you can't expect decent return if the amount of btc too low

your trading depend on your invesment. how much investment do you have. how much lost can you bear. if you can afford then the best option you have to invest 100 BTC. it will give you a good amount of profit.

Invest 100 BTC? Are you out of your mind?
And even if he does have that much capital, where would he invest?
If he does have that much, I would rather prefer to start my own gambling site and ask people for more investments too.

i can start trading with just 0.04btc, i can start with coins that are in the bearish trend.
but if have 100btc i might just start with the new altcoin that offer initial coin offering which also give about 25% bonus. by the time its released, i can dump the coin and earn thru that bonus. its easy bucks. but it may still depend to how much is the coins potential. i may keep it or dump it forever.

Well if it comes to trading with btc you can have really small amount like 0,01 would be alright if you want to start small
but to get decent profit and decent profit per trade (depends on timeframe ) you should start with 0,2-0,3 at least in my opinion.
I've been trading with 5 btc and believe me,the profits are insane if you know what do yo

In Forex binary you can start with 0.0005 BTC, so it is not too much. In ordinary Forex, min. is around 0.01 BTC.  ;)

I will start with .1btc next week. I'm senior member but totally newbie in trading. I should have learn atleast small thing in trading this week before starting nextweek.

for some people maybe they have a good rank in here but in some place their only a newbie in there. .1 it's a medium amount for me, some people is starting from the lower amount for trading but because their patience for next time they lower bitcoin is getting doubled from here.

is capital money in trading altcoin is low better than bitcoin,
trading altcoin capital 0,1bitcoin is enough is star trading, but trading bitcoin you must over 1btc, can get competitif profit

definitely enough. you can buy the DAO on bittrex or waves which can be more than 200+.  by then you can apply what they always said, buy low sell high. so just watch the charts until you learn well. i suggest not to use "Good til cancelled." when you are just starting, just keep learning how it works.

Yes 0.1 bitcoin is enough in trading as your capital but first you'll need to learn how trading works. And do not invest the amount that you can not afford to lose.

Yeah don't invest the amount that you can't afford to lose and i think that 0.1 capital is too much for a newbie because if he is just starting to learn how the markets work. It will be a big risk for him to gamble that 0.1 capital because he didn't know what altcoin did he going to buy and it could possibly end up getting negative profit. If you ask me it's better if he don't gamble too much amount of bitcoin in trading altcoins because he can even start with just 0.005 btc. That's true because that amount is my very first capital on trading and it's works for me because even i lose some btc on other coins it's not too much because i only have 0.005 and it helped me a lot on learning the good way of trading :).

minimum to start is something which you can easily trade with so not to high or low just in the middle I can say try with $10 and see if you get any profit on that if not then change to somewhere else.

It doesn't have to be a huge amount.  I've know a few who trades with 500K satoshis.  Familiarize yourself with the trade, learn little by little.  Don't stick to just one trading platform.  Profit doesn't have to be outright big but also take into account the fees required by trading sites so you won't end up losing your profits in fees.

That's true it's doesn't need to have a huge capital. I also start trading with low even lower than that 500k satoshi because it's a safe step for me because we can gain experience and also learn how the wild market works and after you learn the behavior of the market you can start putting big amounts :D.

but 100 BTC it's too big just for invest on BTC, but nothing just thinking about invest and invest but there is another factor or problem you can need to consider about it, example Does you didn't need to save some amount becomes your urgent funds?

it is however a guarantee that you can win for every trade you make. with 100 btc you should be able to control the market. and that when you dump a coin you can simply drag the trend to the floor and when you buy you should be able to also lift the coin easily. thus making you richer every time you do it.

I agree with you,in my opinion having 100$ for trading purposes (if you are beginner) will be even not enough ,but
i would say that it would be too more! don't go big if you are not skilled with trading,start small ,from like 60$

Curious to know which forex broker you do binary trading. I often do binary trading on secondstrade. I may wanna try it this time and install their platform.
I kept learning forex lately so may i should start on binary until i get to learn to earn pips.

it depend on whether you are capable of investing 0.1btc..you can start trading..before starting research for coins in coinmarketcap.com , whether they volume are not and then proceed.

But also before buying altcoin better look for volume with higher than 0.1 , otherwise it respresents as "0" means it is dead coin.

Don't expect more profit in short period of time..

Good Luck.BTC

For sure, we can classify the good amount for traders to starting the trading. but at first, we must see about the level traders. we can give predicate to them from low-medium until high. and every level has a different knowledge and experience in trading. for example for low level having a little knowledge and experience in trading better to starting their trading from the little amount.

The minimum to invest in trading is 10k satoshi but I don't you earn profit with that amount,you just lost in fee of the transaction. If you want to start trading start with 0.05 atleast that amount you can earn but not just big.

I think 0.1 mbtc is enough to start in trading, but if you start low amount on trading absolutely your profit or losses is also low. 

i guess HeroCat mean are fiat forex broker not bitcoin.

in bitcoin binary indeed there is low amount bet allowed , but in most of fiat binary trading there is limit $5 minimum to start trading. so maybe bitcoin binary are newbie friendly rather than fiat binary trading.

Nothing it''s for Minimum to start on trading. But if you trying trading with small amount may you will take small profits, if you trading for big amount may you can hit big profits. But things more for trading there have big risk too, not realy trading will be have ensure you can profits.
Goodluck Buddy for it :)

The Minimum To start Your trading career will be like 100$ because when you will trade than you will hardly make upto 0.5% or 0.7% everyday if you played it right and it will consume a lot of time

What you said right. But before that he should know the basic knowledge of trading. After attaining knowledge than he can start with any amount, definitely he will see the results.BTC

That is right but if someone do not have big amount to trade or someone is not expert in trade and want to invest only a least amount so that they learn then I think that amount is much better and after that when he/she earn some amount or learn about trade then they can invest more in there.

Well 0.1 mbtc is a good start also. Especially if you are just practicing the strategies on trading, having small amount of loss is great compared to starting at high investment without knowing what you are doing. In effect, small investment= small profit. I suggest you start trading small amounts and then as time passed, try to make that a little higher until you become familiar with the platform then it is the right time to have a larger investment and start trading higher amounts.

But $100 it's a huge amount for a newbie without any experience in them and for the profitable from there is not be a predictable by someone. it's unstable sometimes will get a better profit maybe also not getting anything from there. but getting more than 1% for every day it's not impossible.

Some newbie are very rich. They might be newbie in bitocin, but they are very experienced in trading.

Correct. I started from small amount also. Just trading,losing some time I gain. What is important is the learning. As you learn, it builds your confidence and when you're confident enough you can make a bold mode. :) Its fun but take note, trading is also risky.

you could start trading with less money. but will most likely be very difficult for you to feel the benefits you get, so it may be better to start with a little more bitcoin. 0.1 BTC may be enough to feel the benefit of playing trading if you really can analyze altcoin prices going up or going down

some people even started with nothing really. they just join some signature campaign of an ICO to which they get bounties for about 1K and start trading with it. but yes its true the succession rate still is lesser as compare to having experience with trading altcoins. there are lots of traders these days and most of them get to troll and spread FUD to get coins from other traders.

depending on the income you want to achieve in such trading
but if you need a lot of capital bitcoin trading capital of 1 bitcoin only produce little let alone a small capital
but if trading in capital altcoin 0.01 bitcoin is enough to start trading

no minimum for trading. You can use whatever money you have. but it is the difference is the amount of income that you will earn. the greater your capital will certainly make you more profitable.

That's true no minimum requirement amount in trading, there are some people is say in trading have a minimum requirement for to do that it's just bullshit. the minimum, maximum or another form it's just a size to measure the experience and knowledge the people in trading and how many profit they can get. but starting trading it's never needed a minimum requirement or limited amount.

It depends on how deep the pockets of the newbies are.

For one person $100 is a low amount to test their trading journey with, and for the other $500-$1000 is a small amount to begin with.

Back in the days I also started with around $100 in order to find out what trading is and how it works.

It was enough for me to trade around 3 months with it, where my balance after these 3 months was just over my initial $100.

The best approach is to look for trading sites with very low fees, then you will be able to do something reasonable with your satoshis.

Okcoin.com: Allows you to trade for free at the start then charges build up with time, however you'll need a bank account in China to withdraw to fiat.
Coinbase: It charges 1% for buying/selling
Snapcard.io: It charges 0.5% for buying and selling

Do a research on exchanges that won't gulp all your capital.

Based on my experince. My first initial capital in trading os 0.01btc only. Because i know im just a beginner so that if i lose  it is not too much. And now i invested 1btc in yobit and seems have a nice profit. Big capital has big profit and vice versa.

I start on trading 0.005 bitcoin in c-cex trading i trade in altcoins in hotspair i get in short trade they called short because if you have profit 5-10 satoshi  you need it to sell in short time so in that time after one week my 0.005 capital they get into 0.03. So i earn in 2 months i got earn 1 bitcoin in trading.

You must start on big amount to gain big profit. The good amount would be 0.5- 1 btc i guess just dont forget that even in trading theres also a risk on losing all your money just observe the pumps and dumps. Just keep it in mind that you must buy a certain coin to its possible lowest price then sell it to the highest possible price then youll get profit on it. You can do short or long trades its up to you.

yeah, only if you are an experienced trader with a lot of experience then you should start with a big amount to trade. but most of users that you see here are new to trading and have no idea what a orderbook is and you say start with 1BTC in something you don't know anything about!
instead you have to start small and make your mistakes before putting a lot of money in.

It is of course good to have more than 0.5 btc to start trading but then newbies don't have 0.5 btc that is why they were asking how much is the minimum.
If they can afford to lose their 0.04 btc to test the waters of some altcoins, then 0.04 btc is a good amount still. lets say some altcoin just costs about 0.00000050 btc it should be a good start.

Any amount above 0.005 is good to trade. Especially when you start trading, make sure that your investment is low, so you won't lose a lot.
Consider any loss in the beginning as learning money, or if you are smart place fictive bets, so you won't lose real money.

Actually you will earn to 20k satoshi just a second if you see the buy and sell trend is far distance you can earn it just a second  not sure if your set will buy immediately
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for me there is no minimum capital when trading. bitcoin whatever you have you can use. but the greater your capital, the greater the benefit you will be able to.

for me minimal to trade is 0.01, and it was carried on the trade altcoins. because if the capital is too small I think it's hard to make a profit or you will get a very small profits.

Yeah that amount is much better to take an average start, and any person can easily afford that amount for starting trade, just go to your exchange and search for a stronger and low priced altcoin which you will have some good knowledge and will sure that it will increase more in value.

if your low capital money recomended trading altcoin because price altcoin ready low price example dogecoin and more
and your goal profit everyday 20k example iam calculated is trading dogecoin
dogecoin price not fluktuatif so you can take profit 2 satoshi , if profit 20k satoshi you must capital money equal 10k dogecoin
10k doge coin equal 10k x 50satoshi 500k satoshi or only you must capital money 0,005 bitcoin is very low capital money

Honestly its a small amount to make a profit.. if you really want to make a large amount of profit in trading better to increase the amount of your bitcoin
I think 0.08 in up is enough or the minimum of 0.5 is enough to make a large profit with this amount..

I think you select a wrong coin and thats a wrong move if youd select doge coins to be traded since doge's price nowadays are sleeping and we cannot get profit really to it even if you have big capital to be trade you cannot still feel your earnings On doge because you cannot do short trade with that.

And really the bigger the capital the more the earnings we can get in tradings its because if the flactuation of the coin are very short percentage only we can still get big profit unto it since we put up some high capital, unlike those we just put up some low capitals that we cant feel those earnings since there is a fee in every trades we make.

I started playing yesterday trading at 0.1 BTC, and I hardly benefit 0.01 btc every day, but I guess it was a very small capital if you're looking for big profits. maybe you can start with 0.4 BTC, because with such capital, my friend managed to get 0.1 BTC in 3 days, but I guess it also requires excellent skills in trading

I agree its because the bigger your capital the more profit you can accumalate for trading and if you just put up some amount there well nothing will happen to you since the coins some times only have small movements and so by that instance if have big capital well we can still earn high amount of bitcoins since where putting big for that trade.

This depend on you trading strategy. Some days you are not going to make any trades but others you may make several trades. To make 0.0002 bitcoins every day you may need at least 0.1 bitcoins to work with but the more you have the easier it is to make money.

As stated in OP, I think he is interested to trade in altcoin. in altcoin trading and exchanging site. like yobit and c-cex.
about c-cex I don't know how much fee they charge. but yobit charge 20K satoshi for each transaction. so starting with 0.005 is not good at all. you have to add at least 0.1 bitcoin in yobit if you want to start trading properly.
and only good investment doesn't works. you need to know how the market works and which altcoin should you buy. and when you need to sell.

everyone while still beginners sometimes do not have a lot of bitcoin, so if you first do a trade, a large capital is very risky. 0.01 is the minimum amount eligible, you can choose a coin that has a price hundreds satoshi, and you will get a good profit from it. after quite an expert, you can increase our capital is more likely to get greater profits too.

For trades to be meaningful to me, I need some level of risk and reward to make it worth the time and effort. It depends on the person. I generally wouldn't bother without a bankroll of 5+ BTC.