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Title: My balance is negative?
Post by: Thiggy on October 27, 2015, 10:48:53 AM
WTF just happened to my addy?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG

it is showing negative balance of 19.3644

what can i do against this?

and also check this:

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/b95773397778980c42d2ed7b0a0a4bdff772146b1676bf4c4a22a4a908ae2ae2


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: jacee on October 27, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
WTF just happened to my addy?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG

it is showing negative balance of 19.3644

what can i do against this?

and also check this:

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/b95773397778980c42d2ed7b0a0a4bdff772146b1676bf4c4a22a4a908ae2ae2

Must be a bug on blockchain. This is the original final balance of your wallet, check here: https://blockexplorer.com/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG (https://blockexplorer.com/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG)


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: Thiggy on October 27, 2015, 10:57:38 AM
yeah i know i checked it with blocktrail i also contacted the blockchain support i am using coinbase till this is fixed.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: mexxer-2 on October 27, 2015, 10:58:17 AM
Never use blockchain as a wallet for amounts over 0.1, neither use it as a block explorer use either : http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG
http://www.blocktrail.com
It shows your balance as 0 in both of them
P.S: Coinbase is even worse, they don't even give you the private key, use Electrum.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: jacee on October 27, 2015, 11:06:10 AM
yeah i know i checked it with blocktrail i also contacted the blockchain support i am using coinbase till this is fixed.

I don't think it is necessary to contact blockchain. There is no problem with it. It's only in the blockchain that it has problem so technically your btc add don't have a negative balance. Some others might encounter this bug.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: Rude Boy on October 27, 2015, 12:57:00 PM
As above users recommendation, Don't use blockchain.info. Even bitcoin.org too removed blockchain.info from their web wallet page. I don't know why!  But seems something fishy.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: mark coins on October 27, 2015, 01:52:41 PM
yeah i know i checked it with blocktrail i also contacted the blockchain support i am using coinbase till this is fixed.

I think this is because of malleability attack happening again as i recieved a 2nd trans (fake) again an hour ago so as for now try to use other block explorer such as blocktrail.com/btc


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: Mickeyb on October 27, 2015, 03:25:30 PM
All of the blockchain.info services (their wallet and their block explorer) seems to have gone crazy in the last period of time. The best is to stay away from all of this. Even the bitcoin.org has removed this blockchain.info wallet from their official list of wallets.

So if you can, you should use other wallets and other block explorers.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: target on October 27, 2015, 03:30:17 PM

okay so which web wallet should I use then? All i have is blockchain wallet.
which web wallet do you guys trust?


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: foxkyu on October 27, 2015, 03:48:58 PM

okay so which web wallet should I use then? All i have is blockchain wallet.
which web wallet do you guys trust?
Better don't use web wallet. Desktop wallet is more better and safer.

I recommend using multibit. Which you can control completely your wallet, and don't have to download all transaction like bitcoin core wallet.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: mexxer-2 on October 27, 2015, 03:51:28 PM

okay so which web wallet should I use then? All i have is blockchain wallet.
which web wallet do you guys trust?
Online web wallets are not at all recommended, but if you're on a public computer most of the times and can't take your wallet.dat with you, use greenaddress. There's a discussion about web wallet here if you are interested: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1108933.0 but never keep more than 0.1 btc in web wallets.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: pjsonowal on October 27, 2015, 03:59:51 PM
yeah i know i checked it with blocktrail i also contacted the blockchain support i am using coinbase till this is fixed.

I think this is because of malleability attack happening again as i recieved a 2nd trans (fake) again an hour ago so as for now try to use other block explorer such as blocktrail.com/btc

Yeah it is due to malleabillity attack.
if you check the luckybit wallets for example they sometimes went to negative too but it soon comes to normal after the blockchain staff manually checks the fake transaction and delete it . It may take some time but dont worry your COINS ARE SAFE

The reason why it went into negative?

It went into negative because couple of duplicate of outgoing transactions came in your wallet transaction list that made it to 19Btc negative.

It could have been  OVERBALANCE as well if duplicate of incoming transactions could have came in your wallet.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: target on October 27, 2015, 05:32:03 PM

okay so which web wallet should I use then? All i have is blockchain wallet.
which web wallet do you guys trust?
Online web wallets are not at all recommended, but if you're on a public computer most of the times and can't take your wallet.dat with you, use greenaddress. There's a discussion about web wallet here if you are interested: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1108933.0 but never keep more than 0.1 btc in web wallets.

what if my computer crash, can i retrieve my btc if this happen?
unlike having it on blockchain, i can just login anywhere.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: mexxer-2 on October 27, 2015, 05:33:49 PM

okay so which web wallet should I use then? All i have is blockchain wallet.
which web wallet do you guys trust?
Online web wallets are not at all recommended, but if you're on a public computer most of the times and can't take your wallet.dat with you, use greenaddress. There's a discussion about web wallet here if you are interested: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1108933.0 but never keep more than 0.1 btc in web wallets.

what if my computer crash, can i retrieve my btc if this happen?
unlike having it on blockchain, i can just login anywhere.
That is why , for safety you should encrypt your wallet.dat and make several options available for recovery, wallet.dat being lost usually means that your btcs are lost(well shorena can help you most of the time  :P )


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: ezeminer on October 28, 2015, 05:45:40 AM
P.S: Coinbase is even worse, they don't even give you the private key, use Electrum.

Isn't there like an option to be able to manage your own private keys with coinbase?


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: jacee on October 28, 2015, 06:08:23 AM

okay so which web wallet should I use then? All i have is blockchain wallet.
which web wallet do you guys trust?

Also another option if you want a handy wallet then you can use mycelium. I've been using it in my android and never had any problem with it. That is if you want to always have your wallet in you without using a pc. But if you want to store tons of coins, your best option is bitcoin core. It's much secure. Also it avoids problems such as what you are encountering in blockchain right now. Another wallets are multibit and electrum. Also I forgot about coinbase. You can use them as an alternative to blockchain. They are more secure and much more well programmed .


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: mexxer-2 on October 28, 2015, 06:23:27 AM
P.S: Coinbase is even worse, they don't even give you the private key, use Electrum.

Isn't there like an option to be able to manage your own private keys with coinbase?
Nope the best you can do is sign a message with coinbase, but they don't give you the private key.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: ezeminer on October 28, 2015, 06:49:33 AM
P.S: Coinbase is even worse, they don't even give you the private key, use Electrum.

Isn't there like an option to be able to manage your own private keys with coinbase?
Nope the best you can do is sign a message with coinbase, but they don't give you the private key.

Ah, I still trust them for buying Bitcoin with. Then sending all that off to my wallets.

Probably best advice is to use multiple trusted wallets and try keeping your balances spread across them.

Also another option if you want a handy wallet then you can use mycelium. I've been using it in my android and never had any problem with it. That is if you want to always have your wallet in you without using a pc. But if you want to store tons of coins, your best option is bitcoin core. It's much secure. Also it avoids problems such as what you are encountering in blockchain right now. Another wallets are multibit and electrum. Also I forgot about coinbase. You can use them as an alternative to blockchain. They are more secure and much more well programmed .

Probably store small amounts on a mobile phone. One of the larger targets for hacking is mobile phones now as there is more confidential information going through androids and iphones.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: AlexChe on November 02, 2015, 07:23:30 AM
WTF just happened to my addy?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG

it is showing negative balance of 19.3644

what can i do against this?

and also check this:

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/b95773397778980c42d2ed7b0a0a4bdff772146b1676bf4c4a22a4a908ae2ae2


Hi! I found this thread searching your address 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG by google

Why I searched it?
Because yesterday on 1st of November there was a transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d6839c60af0af69815c536b47b42977f38021ef77b01a7a87bb15f5d052c56ef


As you see this transaction from my address: 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR to yours: 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG
amount is 0.2295941 BTC

The problem is that I didn't made it!!!!! I thinked my password or my keys was stolen, today i made ticket to blockchain.info support about this incident.

And today i find this topic when you are speaking about problems with your wallet.

I don't know who are you, but may be you are not fraudster and your wallet was used for this fraud.
Please  return me my 0.2295941 BTC!!!
This money is not little for me living in Ukraine, and now I especially need them because my best friend in hospital.  And here anybody see this transaction on blockchain.

Hope to resolve this incident




Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: shorena on November 02, 2015, 07:37:30 AM
WTF just happened to my addy?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG

it is showing negative balance of 19.3644

what can i do against this?

and also check this:

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/b95773397778980c42d2ed7b0a0a4bdff772146b1676bf4c4a22a4a908ae2ae2


Hi! I found this thread searching your address 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG by google

Why I searched it?
Because yesterday on 1st of November there was a transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d6839c60af0af69815c536b47b42977f38021ef77b01a7a87bb15f5d052c56ef


As you see this transaction from my address: 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR to yours: 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG
amount is 0.2295941 BTC

The problem is that I didn't made it!!!!! I thinked my password or my keys was stolen, today i made ticket to blockchain.info support about this incident.

And today i find this topic when you are speaking about problems with your wallet.

I don't know who are you, but may be you are not fraudster and your wallet was used for this fraud.
Please  return me my 0.2295941 BTC!!!
This money is not little for me living in Ukraine, and now I especially need them because my best friend in hospital.  And here anybody see this transaction on blockchain.

Hope to resolve this incident

You should sign a message[1] with the address -> 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR

and provide a new address from a safe wallet.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: AlexChe on November 02, 2015, 08:22:22 AM
WTF just happened to my addy?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG

it is showing negative balance of 19.3644

what can i do against this?

and also check this:

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/b95773397778980c42d2ed7b0a0a4bdff772146b1676bf4c4a22a4a908ae2ae2


Hi! I found this thread searching your address 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG by google

Why I searched it?
Because yesterday on 1st of November there was a transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d6839c60af0af69815c536b47b42977f38021ef77b01a7a87bb15f5d052c56ef


As you see this transaction from my address: 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR to yours: 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG
amount is 0.2295941 BTC

The problem is that I didn't made it!!!!! I thinked my password or my keys was stolen, today i made ticket to blockchain.info support about this incident.

And today i find this topic when you are speaking about problems with your wallet.

I don't know who are you, but may be you are not fraudster and your wallet was used for this fraud.
Please  return me my 0.2295941 BTC!!!
This money is not little for me living in Ukraine, and now I especially need them because my best friend in hospital.  And here anybody see this transaction on blockchain.

Hope to resolve this incident

You should sign a message[1] with the address -> 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR

and provide a new address from a safe wallet.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0


Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is AlexChe from bitcointalk.org ang today is 2015.11.02
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR
H/S1h8i7uTUWq4tP63Pb6BEBv9Yo5XTGSgXToR/lyPA6JiyFR07/kiv46RtmSoYvtV66YAw3yIO5oj3q4sQRYPA=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

My new wallet with more stronger protection:
1A6Chnd13pyyuiajP6pkoNRR8ckpEuxqzn

Hope to receive back my funds. Thanks


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: shorena on November 02, 2015, 09:20:11 AM
WTF just happened to my addy?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG

it is showing negative balance of 19.3644

what can i do against this?

and also check this:

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/b95773397778980c42d2ed7b0a0a4bdff772146b1676bf4c4a22a4a908ae2ae2


Hi! I found this thread searching your address 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG by google

Why I searched it?
Because yesterday on 1st of November there was a transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d6839c60af0af69815c536b47b42977f38021ef77b01a7a87bb15f5d052c56ef


As you see this transaction from my address: 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR to yours: 1BgRRisqhDZSRiNAAbrLo1G34R2JXe6ixG
amount is 0.2295941 BTC

The problem is that I didn't made it!!!!! I thinked my password or my keys was stolen, today i made ticket to blockchain.info support about this incident.

And today i find this topic when you are speaking about problems with your wallet.

I don't know who are you, but may be you are not fraudster and your wallet was used for this fraud.
Please  return me my 0.2295941 BTC!!!
This money is not little for me living in Ukraine, and now I especially need them because my best friend in hospital.  And here anybody see this transaction on blockchain.

Hope to resolve this incident

You should sign a message[1] with the address -> 1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR

and provide a new address from a safe wallet.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0


Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is AlexChe from bitcointalk.org ang today is 2015.11.02
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1MmsWDyRtNKmP942GuzN2imgnrXyidAtHR
H/S1h8i7uTUWq4tP63Pb6BEBv9Yo5XTGSgXToR/lyPA6JiyFR07/kiv46RtmSoYvtV66YAw3yIO5oj3q4sQRYPA=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

My new wallet with more stronger protection:
1A6Chnd13pyyuiajP6pkoNRR8ckpEuxqzn

Hope to receive back my funds. Thanks

Signature checks out, lets see if Thiggy answers.


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: lm156 on November 02, 2015, 08:09:28 PM
Hello!

 I have the same issue, i used btc-e to trade cryptos. Today i logged in and my 1.654btc was stolen by the same exact address, the transaction was made yesterday(1.11). Looks like a fraud. Some guy that shit the only way he can make some money is stealin.

Give me back my coins to this address 1HomRp3UwHSE1MrUe34fAfe8AK7REErSPh .


Title: Re: My balance is negative?
Post by: jaberwock on November 02, 2015, 11:06:19 PM
Maybe the bug is caused by not confirmated inputs or outputs, according to whatever data they use.

Don't trust blockexplorers to check balances, always use at least a lightweighted wallet