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Title: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Scream on November 14, 2015, 09:19:14 AM
http://themerkle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/fatfinger-gemini.png
source : http://themerkle.com/news/bitcoin-price-skyrockets-2200-gemini-human-error/
 :D :D


any chance bitcoin price at coinbase/bitstamp/bitfinex  will be $2200 too ?  ::)


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: poncho32 on November 14, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
It only took 150 Bitcoins to pump the Gemini price to $2200, then send it straight back down to $330. That few Bitcoins wouldn't make a dent on the walls of the other exchanges. It's a demonstration of how small the Gemini walls are. I never anticipated pump tricks on a fully regulated exchange either. Gemini was intended to be above all that.

http://s1.postimg.org/o8q9bxzxb/geminipump.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Meuh6879 on November 14, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
 ;D they already fill a bankrupty note ? (glitch in api sell, vault is empty !)


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: richardsNY on November 14, 2015, 11:05:21 AM
;D they already fill a bankrupty note ? (glitch in api sell, vault is empty !)

It is most likely the fault from a trader who have mistaken $2200 for $220. You can't blame the Gemini exchange for mistakes their traders make.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: n691309 on November 14, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
As you can see in the chart it is simple impossible to reach that high, let it reach $500 first because it is very low now the actual price.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Alley on November 14, 2015, 03:08:27 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: LMGTFY on November 14, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
any chance bitcoin price at coinbase/bitstamp/bitfinex  will be $2200 too ?  ::)

Back in August BTC reached over $10k in a Localbitcoins trade! (http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/localbtcUSD#rg1460zigDailyzczsg2015-08-19zeg2015-08-21ztgSzm1g200zm2g365zl)


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: manis on November 14, 2015, 04:06:53 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

No harm in doing that.
Once in a few years, you might get lucky too.  :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Raimonn on November 14, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
Oops, people need to revise two times, when they put an order on an exchange. If you don't limit price in your order, and there are few sell orders, this things can happen.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Amph on November 14, 2015, 06:38:34 PM
yeah but how much volume? 0.01 btc right? useless ath, and not worth mentioning at all

this isn't something new at all, i see this all the time with altcoin in the good old days


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 14, 2015, 06:40:12 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Don't waste your time.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3ss6kr/gemini_is_reversing_trades_wtf/


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: anasazi on November 14, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Oops, people need to revise two times, when they put an order on an exchange. If you don't limit price in your order, and there are few sell orders, this things can happen.

If only we could write software that automatically checks that orders are within reasonable bounds...


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Mickeyb on November 14, 2015, 06:53:23 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Don't waste your time.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3ss6kr/gemini_is_reversing_trades_wtf/

Well this is a huge BS if you are asking me. Whoever fat fingered that order, that's his fault. I would be pissed as hell if I managed to snatch or sell something this high just to get an email from the exchange stating that my successful order will be reversed!

I can't believe this! This is not professional at all!


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: var53 on November 14, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Don't waste your time.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3ss6kr/gemini_is_reversing_trades_wtf/

Well this is a huge BS if you are asking me. Whoever fat fingered that order, that's his fault. I would be pissed as hell if I managed to snatch or sell something this high just to get an email from the exchange stating that my successful order will be reversed!

I can't believe this! This is not professional at all!

Do they reverse trades in the stock market? I thought Gemini had to follow strict rules that are almost identical to the stock market's rules. I heard of micro crashes in the stock market, but I never heard of them being reversed. Gemini should tell the unlucky trader it's his own fault, and he's going to have to keep his $2000 Bitcoins.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Mickeyb on November 14, 2015, 07:36:25 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Don't waste your time.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3ss6kr/gemini_is_reversing_trades_wtf/

Well this is a huge BS if you are asking me. Whoever fat fingered that order, that's his fault. I would be pissed as hell if I managed to snatch or sell something this high just to get an email from the exchange stating that my successful order will be reversed!

I can't believe this! This is not professional at all!

Do they reverse trades in the stock market? I thought Gemini had to follow strict rules that are almost identical to the stock market's rules. I heard of micro crashes in the stock market, but I never heard of them being reversed. Gemini should tell the unlucky trader it's his own fault, and he's going to have to keep his $2000 Bitcoins.

I have never heard about a trade reversal in the stock market. The way I see it, if you reverse a trade for one person, then every other person has a right to demand his trade to be reversed by claiming that he or she has made a mistake. Makes no sense!


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 14, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Don't waste your time.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3ss6kr/gemini_is_reversing_trades_wtf/

Well this is a huge BS if you are asking me. Whoever fat fingered that order, that's his fault. I would be pissed as hell if I managed to snatch or sell something this high just to get an email from the exchange stating that my successful order will be reversed!

I can't believe this! This is not professional at all!

Do they reverse trades in the stock market? I thought Gemini had to follow strict rules that are almost identical to the stock market's rules. I heard of micro crashes in the stock market, but I never heard of them being reversed. Gemini should tell the unlucky trader it's his own fault, and he's going to have to keep his $2000 Bitcoins.

I have never heard about a trade reversal in the stock market. The way I see it, if you reverse a trade for one person, then every other person has a right to demand his trade to be reversed by claiming that he or she has made a mistake. Makes no sense!

It's billing itself as a safe place for institutional investors.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Raimonn on November 14, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
I can understand if bitcoins that he bought were from the exchange and not from another user. Or if Gemini Exchange will pay from its pocket this revers operation.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: maokoto on November 14, 2015, 09:05:11 PM
Impresive to say the least. How will put such an order?

Thanks for sharing captures. I would not believe it you just old us lol


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: ajareselde on November 14, 2015, 09:09:35 PM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Don't waste your time.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3ss6kr/gemini_is_reversing_trades_wtf/

Well this is a huge BS if you are asking me. Whoever fat fingered that order, that's his fault. I would be pissed as hell if I managed to snatch or sell something this high just to get an email from the exchange stating that my successful order will be reversed!

I can't believe this! This is not professional at all!

Do they reverse trades in the stock market? I thought Gemini had to follow strict rules that are almost identical to the stock market's rules. I heard of micro crashes in the stock market, but I never heard of them being reversed. Gemini should tell the unlucky trader it's his own fault, and he's going to have to keep his $2000 Bitcoins.

Well said. Gemini just showed they are not to be trusted. I would only understand reversal if the exchange itself had been compromised and there was some sort of an attack on customer funds.
They just took money from bunch of other users because of one retarded trader.

Gemini exchange is a joke.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: 98problems on November 14, 2015, 10:08:23 PM
oh wow that would be really crazy if this would happen there would be a lot of rich people if this happened in real life


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: sana9821 on November 14, 2015, 10:39:25 PM
thats an interesting thing i would have gone crazy if i saw such price when i woke up as then i would have a lot of money if i sold btc


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: RyNinDaCleM on November 14, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
I don't know of any reversal of trades in the stock market, but they will halt the system if it moves too far, too fast, down (obviously, no one would complain about up). This is also on a few exchanges in Bitcoin. Gox had it in 2013 and BFX uses a sort of circuit breaker on their exchange (again, not usually contended in the up direction). As a poster early on in this thread said, it was only about 150 BTC that moved it up and back down, so it's a trivial amount and means nothing to the market as a whole, and likely wouldn't have triggered any kind of breaker even if there were upside triggers.

As for the the Gemini exchange (knew it would be a train wreck, btw) reversing orders... They state it in the ToS that they have full discretion on such events. Don't like it? Don't trade there! You have to agree to the ToS in order to make an account.
This screen shot shows that they apparently deemed this a legitimate use of the ol' "undo" button.
https://i.imgur.com/jlxcbvG.png


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Nrcewker on November 16, 2015, 02:55:39 AM
market depth is noy enough, so 


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Nagle on November 16, 2015, 04:18:06 AM
Right now, total sell side offers on Gemini total under BTC70.  Buy BTC70 on Gemini and send the price through the roof again. Bitstamp, in comparison, has about BTC6000 for sale.

Gemini shouldn't even be offering "market" orders. There's no market there.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: dothebeats on November 16, 2015, 04:21:58 AM
Looks like I should of put some $1,000 sell orders in.

Heh, why not do it now? Whenever I don't feel like selling, it's been a hobby of mine to put several sell orders at $1000+ ranges. You know, if in case you get lucky and take that order hehe.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Snail2 on November 16, 2015, 02:04:33 PM
Reversing trades, because of someone was stupid/fatfingered? This Gemini must not be an exchange to be taken seriously :/.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Karartma1 on November 16, 2015, 02:10:38 PM
I don't trust this exchange and their owners since from the start. There's no reasonable explanation for cancelling trades. It's fraud.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: ynef on November 16, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Sigh. Was hoping Gemini to be better than this. Growing pains? Maybe.


Title: Re: Bitcoin price scyrockets to $2200 on Gemini Exchange
Post by: Nagle on November 16, 2015, 09:05:28 PM
Sigh. Was hoping Gemini to be better than this. Growing pains? Maybe.
More like non-growing pains. The Gemini crowd thought they were going to be a big exchange with big market makers, and a significant player in Bitcoin. In reality, they're a tiny exchange with few customers and no market makers. They're well under 1% of exchange volume.

Here, someone put in a buy order for BTC150 at the market price. That was enough to eat up all the sell orders on the exchange and run the price up to $2200. Right now, in the middle of a trading day, if you bought BTC150 on Gemini at market, you'd take the price up about $75 to about $400. If you did that on Bitstamp, you'd take the price up by maybe $1.