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Title: If society was an organism...
Post by: herzmeister on December 12, 2012, 11:01:21 PM
...and resources harvesting and processing would be nutrition and metabolism, currency the blood circulating, communication the nervous system, then... wouldn't government be the brain?  :o


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: myrkul on December 12, 2012, 11:04:53 PM
...and resources harvesting and processing would be nutrition and metabolism, currency the blood circulating, communication the nervous system, then... wouldn't government be the brain?  :o

More like a brain cancer, or a parasite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis). Alters the behavior in unpredictable, and often self-destructive ways.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: firefop on December 13, 2012, 12:40:01 AM
...and resources harvesting and processing would be nutrition and metabolism, currency the blood circulating, communication the nervous system, then... wouldn't government be the brain?  :o

More like a brain cancer, or a parasite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis). Alters the behavior in unpredictable, and often self-destructive ways.

Not even that - I think hookworms would be more accurate. Start off small, leech a little... eventually grow to the point that they kill the host.




Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: asdf on December 13, 2012, 02:22:34 AM
internet == brain

government == cancer


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: myrkul on December 13, 2012, 02:49:45 AM
internet == brain

government == cancer

asdf == win.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: herzmeister on December 13, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
internet == brain

no, nervous system, as said


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: Lethn on December 13, 2012, 08:12:19 AM
Governments aren't smart enough to be the brain, the brain is the people, I vote for them being cancer too lol.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: niko on December 13, 2012, 08:26:59 AM
...and resources harvesting and processing would be nutrition and metabolism, currency the blood circulating, communication the nervous system, then... wouldn't government be the brain?  :o


the blood circulating == trucks, cars, buses, trains, ships, airplanes

really, what would the currency be?


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: TECSHARE on December 13, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
internet == brain

no, nervous system, as said

The brain is part of the nervous system.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: herzmeister on December 13, 2012, 10:12:21 AM
And matter/energy is part of either, so?

but yes, a government is big, extremely convoluted ball of communication paths, mostly merely serving itself, but this is where decisions are formed. Transmitters are its executive.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: Rothgar on December 13, 2012, 01:47:20 PM
...and resources harvesting and processing would be nutrition and metabolism, currency the blood circulating, communication the nervous system, then... wouldn't government be the brain?  :o

More like a brain cancer, or a parasite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis). Alters the behavior in unpredictable, and often self-destructive ways.

Not even that - I think hookworms would be more accurate. Start off small, leech a little... eventually grow to the point that they kill the host.




Almost?  Wait a while, you'll see.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: BlackBison on December 13, 2012, 02:01:00 PM
Its most like the immune system to protect the important parts of society.. Unfortunately it's turned into one of those autoimmune systems (over active and attacks your own body by mistake)


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: bb113 on December 13, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
...and resources harvesting and processing would be nutrition and metabolism, currency the blood circulating, communication the nervous system, then... wouldn't government be the brain?  :o


the blood circulating == trucks, cars, buses, trains, ships, airplanes

really, what would the currency be?

Organisms use multiple "currencies" for different purposes. Fat for long term high density storage, glucose for everyday activities, and ketone bodies in times of starvation.

I think it is wrong to separate the "brain" and the nervous system. The brain is a location of highly dense nervous system activity that filters unimportant information and tries to predict the results of current/future actions on future results based on past experience. I'm not sure what the analogous thing in a society would be, not the government.

The government is more like the immune system (as blackbison says), which has various tools to detect and deal with internal and external threats to the stability of the system.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: DTD on December 17, 2012, 12:16:08 AM
Not even that - I think hookworms would be more accurate. Start off small, leech a little... eventually grow to the point that they kill the host.
ITT that sounds most accurate.

Anyone calling it the brain is confused. It performs no functions in any way analogous to the brain. The market, the private sectors, would be the brain, if anything. That's where all the creation and intelligent activity takes place. All the G does is siphon resources and screw up the brain's healthy operations.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: Richy_T on December 19, 2012, 05:23:28 AM
Possibly the government could be part of the brain. The lizard part. Eat, f*ck, fight, sh*t. That's about all it can manage.

I can see where some arguments could be made for the monkey part too. But it comes nowhere near the frontal lobes.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: RodeoX on December 19, 2012, 06:10:43 PM
I thought this thread said "Orgasm".  :o

I am not sure about the comparison with brain matter. In a brain each cell is stupid, but working together intelligence emerges. In government each person seems reasonably smart on their own, but together they are disastrously stupid.


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: herzmeister on December 19, 2012, 06:27:20 PM
Aren't cancers generally caused by "freedom loving" cells that decide "TO HELL with my neighbours, the authoritarian government, and the laa-dee-daa community! This is my turf and I'm going to homestead this place and build whatever the hell I want!" ?? :D

Always those free radicals!  >:(

In government each person seems reasonably smart on their own

wha?

but together they are disastrously stupid

well they do create order somewhat. Though the average life span of many a state is also quite similar to that of a human organism.



Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: FirstAscent on December 19, 2012, 06:56:00 PM
All a bunch of wonderful speculation, to be sure. The idea is not new, and Herman Daly is known for describing in detail the aspects of it.

It's all here:

http://sef.umd.edu/files/ScientificAmerican_Daly_05.pdf

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3941


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: RodeoX on December 19, 2012, 07:01:17 PM
Aren't cancers generally caused by "freedom loving" cells that decide "TO HELL with my neighbours, the authoritarian government, and the laa-dee-daa community! This is my turf and I'm going to homestead this place and build whatever the hell I want!" ?? :D

Always those free radicals!  >:(

In government each person seems reasonably smart on their own

wha?

but together they are disastrously stupid

well they do create order somewhat. Though the average life span of many a state is also quite similar to that of a human organism.


I was thinking of something more like this classic. (updated)
http://www.businessballs.com/businessballs_treeswing_pictures.htm


Title: Re: If society was an organism...
Post by: tbdunamis on December 22, 2012, 02:29:39 AM
Its most like the immune system to protect the important parts of society.. Unfortunately it's turned into one of those autoimmune systems (over active and attacks your own body by mistake)

"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends (protect the important parts of society), it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - from the preamble of The Declaration of Independence