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It seems like this Human Resources thing has started several promotional campaigns in bitcointalk. I thought I'd start an uncensored topic for everyone to discuss the matter freely.

Link to what seems to be an affiliated profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667743

I think this is being discussed in Meta section already regarding his post's
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305606.0

That's different, the OP there is questioning whether or not having multiple signature campaigns is ok. I posted in service discussion for general discussion related to "Human Resources".

What's there to discuss? And who's censoring any discussion?

The campaigns look legit (provided they end up paying for the first week.) The one fixed rate campaign that requires 12 posts (of 25) per week be posted in Services Discussion seems a bit excessive, but shitty posts should go through the regular vetting process for all spam. It's the burden of the poster to follow the rules of the campaign and the forum.

I look forward to hearing what you think the challenge is with this company's campaigns.

The campaign is legit... They've paid for all the tasks they've offered thus far and they've already paid hero members up front.

I don't see why not to have multiple campaigns running at once... I think Subtracta is quitting his position so the needed new managers for the fixed rate campaign.

Don't they have the right to have their own rules?
I do think their campaign is legit and I can see they are paying. Its up now for the users to join the campaign and accept the burden to post on Services Discussion. E-coin campaign as far as I know also want the users on their campaign to post on such section.

Maybe so but it seems a bit sketchy that they ran through 3 other campaigners, a lot of them without real reputation or experience.

subSTRATA is (so far) the only campaign manager of them that I'd trust with anything. I've never heard of the others.

Anyways, I don't really think this is a good representation of their trustworthiness, though, so my view on them is mostly neutral.

This rule has been updated, it's now 10 posts and participants are free to spread these across the Services, Service Announcements and Service Discussion sub-sections.
Of course campaign owners are free to set their own rules, it's the participant's responsibility to be honest about being able to meet the requirements and not spam. There have been  many campaigns that I would've wanted to join because of their excellent rates but I couldn't because they required that a certain number of posts be made in the gambling section, one of the few sections I truly feel I don't have a lot to contribute to (I've have never been interested in gambling).

The campaigns all have different requirements, so I think it's fair for them to create separate threads for each campaign.

Furthermore the matter was never censored...

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ObscureBean (and anyone else who will comment)

That is an interesting project you are involved with.  At some point I should work up the intellectual energy to explore PGP, the Dark Net and related technologies.  A big job, as I have no one to teach me, and I am no pro.

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Whatever you can tell us about your project would interest us all.  

Good luck!

Well first off, it's not my project, it's merely a signature campaign I'm participating in, you should check out the website. I've heard of PGP plenty enough times, I know it has to do with encryption and that you can 'sign' messages using it but that's about it, I've never researched it. Same goes for Dark net, I know it's a network built on top of the regular internet,  that you need special software to access it and that people usually use it to remain anonymous.
Hopefully somebody more knowledgeable than myself will be able to explain them better to you  :)

Has anyone had any success contacting them?

This is the same position I am in. Even though secondstrade have just decreased there rates and reduced max posts per week it is still the best campaign for me to be in as a member because the higher paying campaigns require you to post in the gambling section and in order for me to post there I would just be spamming because I really have no interest in gambling my hard earned BTCs..

If the HR campaign would open up to member rank users then I would be highly interested in joining them..

hey thanks

given their website though, my guess is that they want to make the next evolution market or something, theres not much to indicate a scam as far as 'put your money here, deposit x btc to apply, buy this,' etc, goes. it seems they just want people to create some kind of dark net service, to me at least. they dont ask for personal info or anything else either, and try to keep everything as anonymous as possible, so the possibility of creating an illegal TOR-based service is there.

I don't think the legality really matters... We openly discuss dark web markets here, so why not humanresources?

With that said, I've been thinking that HR might be a honeypot, what would be an argument against this? Any evidence?

I am suspicious of this. I have asked around within the darknet community, 1 person I know has applied and got an generic, possibly automated response back.

The main issues are:

1) Lack of Professionalism - their website is shitty and they want people to use thebox which is some shitty generic onionland messaging system. They do not have a publicly listed email contact or persona for managing the website.

2) Overwhelming shadiness. Total lack of transparency, nobody knows who is running it or anybody that has used it. Its unclear who they are hiring for. They dont have an FAQ or any interactive public outreach on any forum. The only information i could find is on there website.

People that operate darknet enterprises, like to have reputations, outreach and other stuff to let people know they are legit. Not sure about these guys. It would make more sense to have a listing page where people could post resumes and hiring opportunities then intrested parties could browse and hire select from a list of choices, with a built in escrow system. They manner in which they are operating is murky, inefficient and a bit n00bish. Its not a hiring platform its just a busybody trying to make a cut off a networking position. in the onionland early days you had people like this but now the scene is a bit more developed. Although who knows, it might become a very successful service.

Its a good idea, I'll probably end up launching a jobs marketplace on the ExchangeD.I2P platform later in 2016

SO you're not upset about their signature campaign practices, you're upset or questioning the actual business they run, providing jobs, etc.?

I think you should let the market handle this...bad businesses end up going out of business. However, it would be interesting to get a report from someone on their success or failure using the service.

Providing jobs for who though?
If i was looking to hire someone for to build a darknet application i want a service where people list their resumes and had a reputation system so i could see some choices. sending this guy a pm on "thebox" is sketchy as fuck. i doubt they are hiring for themselves,

aside from legality they are also not so caring on anonymity issues.I mean promoting the website or darknet service openly on ll forums is uite not wise i would say.There is a lot spam on reddit too and just social networking sites are to be left.

well this campaingn is new and as much i can see they are providing some dark net jobs and since i have seen a lot of campaingns here this new campaingn has made a good impressin with their fixed income and i also think they will do their work very well excuse me sorry for my bad english but my point is they are offering {darknet jobs} so its kind of bad work but i am not 100% sure untill some one really test it by doing it.in otherhand i dont have any problem about the campaingn they are just advertising their stuff thats all. we really need campaingns but should we need these kind of campaingn.

Atleast they are thinking outside the box where everyone else thinking of making ponzis or gambling site for business, this guy thinks differently and offer a darknet service and so far there is no complain yet about this service so its all good

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This whole topic of these guys "Human Resources" is fascinating, and not just the Signature Campaign.  I will be watching as an interested outside observer (I do not know enough about TOR, secrecy and related subjects well enough to take a crack at getting "work" there).

If anyone gets such work there such that you can openly discuss it, I am sure we all would be interested to hear a little bit about it.

I read recently that the Darknet is MUCH bigger than the Internet accessible with Google searches, etc.  Despite all that interesting stuff there, it looks difficult to approach as a non-tekkie like me.

Do you even know what honeypot means?

No one will openly discuss it because it is dark net after all. There is a reason why things in darknet usually stays there because no people discuss it and only a few people actually know how to access and get a good source of money from there

Well, yes, I understand that the Darknet is dark for many reasons.  But, not all of it is illegal stuff (?).

Still, I would hope that SOME discussion might be open enough to encourage others interested to learn about it, and jump in if they would like.  I am very curious about it, but have no wish to buy illegal things, scam people, etc.  I do know there is a lot of bad shit there, but if it is SO BIG, there is likely lots of interesting stuff that is of little harm as well.*

* But I would not KNOW that.

Almost everything are illegal stuff that is why it is darknet. If it is not illegal stuff and just normal thing then there is no reason to put that on darknet since only a few people know about the site and of course it wont show up in google search as well

Darknet jobs seems to be quite high paying but haven't tried one. I am only involved in human resource signature campaign. It needs lots of setup even to visit .onion site or tor based sites which are for darknet. So definately it need some skill and knowledge before you can get in darknet and its job.

Human resource has become quite attractive for many of the users here in bitcointalk.

Until now keep away from Darknet due to the fact that everything I've heard about it was illegal .. I'm starting to slowly change my mind.. It seems that their campaign work ;)

Where can I find more information about their offer (job offer)?
Is there any normal website or everything is under .onion?

So far their campaign is running good. Meaning you can't have missed it out.
Towards their potential I have no clue what they want.

Opening their website is just an advertisement.

correct, the dark net or deep web technically refers to (to put simply) anything that is on the internet in some way but is not publicly indexed by something like google. this can include subscription / password protected content, database queries, etc. however, even if we limit the term to only include onionland, its not all drugs, guns, and money laundering. theres simple forums, akin to something like hackforums, although ive never really browsed it myself. theres also plenty of legal services, like tormail, bitcoin tumblers (bitcoinfog, although i think its dead. and these are legal, otherwise bitmixer would not exist), message boards, etc.
thats because the media only reports on the illegal stuff that happens, like silk road and drug markets in general, child pornography, assassination markets, carded stuff, etc.

As of the popularization of TOR and I2P as anonymous networks, whenever someone says darknet, they usually mean using .onion/.2ip websites or services using the network. But even TOR and I2P aren't only used to illegal stuff.

That would be just perhaps less than 5 % of the entire darknet, there is no reason to put solid business in darknet anyway since most people will not notice it however the majority indeedconsist of illegal things, I've browsed it once and I dont like what I see there obviously

Question: If they care so much about anonymity, why use an archived, clearnet version of their website advertised in massive signature campaigns? How is this not a honeypot?

I was worried about the lack of escrow in their signature campaign.
With the master-P fiasco, I am not sure whether their refusal to escrow would be a big deal.

When Carra23 started managing his first campaign, there was a big hue and cry about refusal to use escrow. We all know that turned out well.

I also see them bidding on the forum auctions for the ad spots. So I think they do have a sizable budget. It would be stupid to not pay a weekly signature campaign, especially if hero members have been paid upfront.

Yeah they have a very large budget and of course they are looking for service and there is no reason for them to not to pay.They seem very promising,statistical and professional.