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Title: Betcoin.ag issue, solved Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 07:59:47 AM Quote I*** Account is still blocked! Betcoin Maria joined the chat Betcoin Maria Can you please tell me your username? I*** I*** I was hacked on Christmas and since then my account is blocked, was supposed to be investigated I sent two support tickets NO ANSWER Betcoin Maria Our security team found out that you hacked one other account. Your account remains closed. I*** everyone is silent, and my account and money is missing What??? Betcoin Maria You have no money on your account. I*** I hacked another account? what do u mean? Betcoin Maria Exactly that. I*** Well it was my account that was hacked :) Betcoin Maria And someone put money in it? Yes, that does not make sense :) I*** no, someone stole money from it doh 450 chips Betcoin Maria All of the money in your account were from the other player you had hacked. I*** I made this account in march I think I*** played every day started tables winning player I log in to play for christmas, my money is gone, and support tells me I was hacked I follow through with support ticket, being assured it will be ok now I found out what? that u took all my money with some absurd theory? Betcoin Maria We never took your money I*** I made many bitcoins for your site in rake playing poker here :( why do you protect the hackers then? and accuse the victim? Betcoin Maria You had ~1300 in your account that were sent to you by a player who reported he never sent them to you, and you confirmed , you do not know him. I*** no I had 450 in my account I cashed out 300 the other day and was left with approxx 450 never had 1200 since september-october or so I was struggling to get back to 1000+ but didnt have it had 750, cashed out 300, and was left with 450 I have ALL the addresses I used for cashout, I can sign with each of them unless I cashed out to some exchange from time to time Betcoin Maria The 419 you had in your account have been cashed out I*** it is my account, I never received transfers in december, and I want access back, and my money WHY?????????? i did not do that how do you protect your players???????? LOYAL players, Im gold play daily etc It was supposed to be frozen and under investigation taht means MY FUNDS ARE SECURE Betcoin Maria You were put under investigation a day after you cashed out those 419 I*** if you look on the forums you will see I asked for loans Betcoin Maria The only money in your account, at the moment of the freeze, were the other player's funds I*** I did not cash out the 419 ! and the other chips are not mine I want my account and my chips swa****** and my 419 chips Betcoin Maria Please file in a ticket I*** I will file threads on all major sites regarding this players should know what is going on here loyal player, plays daily, gets hacked, then is accused of hacking I filed in 3 tickets already, and no answer Betcoin Maria What are their IDs ? I*** I did not receive any confirmation email now that I look I see Im not the only one being stolen here just found out a thread on bitcointalk about another guy having missing funds in his account on december 30 2015 sigh what can I do just give me back my account and money. this is no way to handle your loyal players playing for hours each day want me to prove its me? I'll do that just dont come up with lame scenarios for stealing my funds if thats what youre after Betcoin Maria I cannot assist any further This is what I was told, this is all information I have File in a ticket and a manager will get back to you I*** this whole chat will be posted on the forum, now Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: stoneage on January 05, 2016, 08:02:46 AM if you feel scammed you can move your thread to scam accusation board
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 08:07:36 AM It went like this, around Christmas:
I log in in the morning, as usual. It is a good day, I make some profit and I cash out 300 chips out of 719, all fine. Next morning, I log in as usual, I sit at the tables, only to find out I can't load any money on them. I try to log on the betcoin.ag website and I get a message saying my one time password is wrong ( never had 2fa) and that my account is blocked. I contact support, and after a lengthy chat with Betcoin Robert I think, I find out my account was hacked. The guy asks me if I know a player dmoser, I don't know the guy. At this point I presume someone hacked my account and sent funds to this dmoser guy. I chat for like an hour with their support, stating many times that I'm able to provide signatures from my adresses or whatever else necessary to recover my account. Chilled, the support guy lets me know it will be ok, I even give him positive rating in the support feedback section, after the chat is over. Since it was Christmas, and then New Year's eve, I don't spam daily for investigation status, assuming the guys are on vacation or something. Today, after so much time, I decide to contact support again. Above is my chat with them. DISSAPOINTED Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: wayla on January 05, 2016, 08:12:27 AM if account was hacked then not betcoin.ag stolen your money but the guy who hacked your account did.I might be wrong but at first view of your post looks like this is situation.
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: POM on January 05, 2016, 08:12:45 AM Scary, i'll be steering clear from betcoin.ag from now on.
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 08:20:06 AM if account was hacked then not betcoin.ag stolen your money but the guy who hacked your account did.I might be wrong but at first view of your post looks like this is situation. They have a 48h withdrawal period. Since my account was hacked until it was blocked less than 24 hours passed. Since it was blocked, the cashout shouldn't get through. Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 08:29:56 AM attached this to further prove it is my account, if it matters :(
https://i.imgur.com/YQuCYTX.png Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: elm on January 05, 2016, 08:34:35 AM very interested to see the answer from betcoin ag. thanks for letting us know your problem
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: asuryan180 on January 05, 2016, 09:03:25 AM I don't think it could be an outright scam cause they are already giving way hundreds of chips to legendary members and to participants of their signature campaign.Doesn't makes sense IMO.
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 09:42:22 AM I was chill before they told me today I had no more money and I was also the hacker. I still have some trust in them solving my case.
Someone apparently hacked more accounts, but this is just an assumption, based on what happened to me ( which involved at least two accounts) and also on their news about mandatory passwords changes here https://www.betcoin.ag/mandatory-password-reset-upcoming-5-btc-players-club-freeroll. (https://www.betcoin.ag/mandatory-password-reset-upcoming-5-btc-players-club-freeroll.) Being a regular player, I noticed that MOST of the players that were on the tables daily are missing now, but that could be due to the holidays. Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: Buziss on January 05, 2016, 09:47:22 AM Looks like the Betcoin.ag has their database all fucked up that they cannot even tell what your account balance was before the block lol. I have no idea how this could happen but this sounds terribly wrong.
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: nickaizoku on January 05, 2016, 09:54:43 AM this makes me feel like this site is not safe and not secured,
why some people can hack on other member account and transfer chips here and there. its lost and thanks for posting chat conversation, seems doesn't help at all. Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: equator on January 05, 2016, 10:00:45 AM I don't think it could be an outright scam cause they are already giving way hundreds of chips to legendary members and to participants of their signature campaign.Doesn't makes sense IMO. if they are giving free hundreds of chips and doing signature campaign does not mean that they cannot scam , this services they are doing to promote their site so that like OP lot of user come to their site and play. first They will start giving the Money properly but when they see certain players are earning good, they will start to scam or they will hack you acc and tell that other have hacked it, how come they know that OP account is hacked. Beware Players when you are playing with online sites. Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 10:11:18 AM The support being sarcastic on me was the thing that enraged me the most
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: Rubberduckie on January 05, 2016, 10:21:03 AM what a crap fest they got going over there.
hopefully they step up and make it right cause they already lost my buddies business after seeing this thread. I play at a different site but I would be worried myself if I played here. I always though they were one of the best? Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 05, 2016, 10:42:49 AM I don't know anything about betcoin but I tend to believe OP. It seems like most businesses in Bitcoin are run by people who shouldn't be running businesses. And gambling sites tend to be even worse than most--just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: BTCevo on January 05, 2016, 01:38:18 PM I think you should wait them to reply on this thread or may be you can message them. This doesnt make any sense, why they would want to scam your little money when they are giving so many bitcoin to their campaign and for poker? You should ask their support for checking it again
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: Patatas on January 05, 2016, 01:55:28 PM Here is the profile of betocin.ag team member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115 Try messaging him or linking him to this thread.If you believe you've been literally scammed :
Post the same in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 Use this format while posting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: Farma on January 05, 2016, 02:07:01 PM if the admin has begun bankrupt, if it's like that to keep bitcoin that you have stay away from the site, or you can start with a small capital in advance, but this is only the tips of me ;)
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: buyinbtc on January 05, 2016, 04:35:07 PM oh wow thats insane in my opinion, im very interested on how it will all end up i hope everything will be solved as soon as possible please keep us updated how it will turn out as i wanted to try it out too before reading this
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: DarkDays on January 05, 2016, 06:10:13 PM What account was hacked? 'SwarmraiZe'? Are you able to access that account? Post a screenshot of all of the transfers in/transfers out and deposits/withdraws from the last month.
Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: diurpaneus on January 05, 2016, 06:56:32 PM 1. Every time I withdraw from betcoin.ag I have to confirm an e-mail, how could a hacker take your funds? (as far as I know the e-mail cannot be changed). 2. Why do not you post (real) proofs?, for example, the transactions involved in your funding your account + a signed message showing you control that address. I am not saying you are lying, but random claims against a reputable site are not something you should believe without proper proofs. I remember once a guy was claiming Directbet took his money, finally it was proved he was just trying to scam them. I have no issues signing with almost all of the adresses used for deposit. The ones I can't sign with are from polo. Meanwhile they solved my case and got back the chips too. I hope there is no issue posting their reply here. Quote Betcoin Jessica: The problem is we are 3 hours 59 min ago The problem is we are constantly dealing with hackers, stealers, cheaters, liars and much much more. Your original account is open and you can login to it. You should change your password as we don't have other players in the same situation as you which makes us question many of your comments. Realize that we don't know who you are and we have many thousands of players who are not experiencing these issues that also play everyday. Good luck and we are here for you anytime. Here are the transfers from the tx history: I finish playing, and cashout Quote 12/29/2015 4:28am (1 week 9 hours ago) 300.10 debit (Bitcoin) Withdrawal Address: 1NmQm3sXLZ84xmVBXCXUNARSD5APcr**** Arg2: 109235 withdrawal_completed_successfully about six hours later the guy cashes out my remaining funds Quote 12/29/2015 10:46am (1 week 2 hours ago) 419.00 debit (Bitcoin) Withdrawal Address: 12MdDBREKNnZUavTUwSM5AHs6y45ymmPSp Arg2: 109235 withdrawal_completed_successfully he then proceeds to receive funds from this other dmoser4 guy Quote 12/29/2015 12:14pm (1 week 1 hour ago) 1376.00 credit (Player To Player Transfer) ExtID: 9338829 From: dmoser4 MU is now $380.9 Schedule $4.40 200 gtd tubo Sent on: 4:25 pm $7.50 500 gtd KO $21 1k hyper turbo and another $15.50 for 2nd entry into 15k satty if u make it to late reg over then use it for 1 $10 on demand and a $5 or 2 $6 10k $30 ssattys and then 20 min later he tries to cash out those funds too, to the same address Quote 12/29/2015 12:33pm (1 week 59 min ago) 1376.00 debit (Bitcoin) Withdrawal Address: 12MdDBREKNnZUavTUwSM5AHs6y45ymmPSp Arg2: 109235 canceled the manager steps in and cancels the initial p2p transfer Quote 12/30/2015 1:42pm (5 days 23 hours ago) 1350.00 debit (Manager) Arg1: 147535 Improper transfer complete and after five days in which they said absolutely nothing, after having that not so great support chat in which they accuse me of being the hacker, and after I posted here, the manager finnaly hears me out. Better late than never, so thanks. Quote 01/05/2016 9:22am (4 hours 10 min ago) 393.00 credit (Manager) Arg1: 173491 Account adjustment complete Now, about the bolded issues regarding other players experiencing the same issue. I state that the missing familiar faces from the tables could be because of the holidays, but. There was at least another hacked account, that dmoser4 guy that got 1300 chips ( 1.3 btc) transferred from his account to mine. Title: Re: Betcoin.ag stole my money Post by: DarkDays on January 05, 2016, 07:09:17 PM he then proceeds to receive funds from this other dmoser4 guy Quote 12/29/2015 12:14pm (1 week 1 hour ago) 1376.00 credit (Player To Player Transfer) ExtID: 9338829 From: dmoser4 MU is now $380.9 Schedule $4.40 200 gtd tubo Sent on: 4:25 pm $7.50 500 gtd KO $21 1k hyper turbo and another $15.50 for 2nd entry into 15k satty if u make it to late reg over then use it for 1 $10 on demand and a $5 or 2 $6 10k $30 ssattys and then 20 min later he tries to cash out those funds too, to the same address Quote 12/29/2015 12:33pm There was at least another hacked account, that dmoser4 guy that got 1300 chips ( 1.3 btc) transferred from his account to mine.(1 week 59 min ago) 1376.00 debit (Bitcoin) Withdrawal Address: 12MdDBREKNnZUavTUwSM5AHs6y45ymmPSp Arg2: 109235 canceled Why do you say that dmoser4 got his account hacked? It looks like he sent money and added a note about makeup and a schedule of tournaments. It seems like he intentionally sent money to someone he was backing. It seems to me that he was sending money to someone and accidentally sent too much (like he was trying to send 137.6 and forgot the decimal), since the schedule he listed would only require ~120 chips. We can further guess that perhaps the person he sent to noticed the error and tried to scumbag his backer, but dmoser4 had noticed his error by then and contacted someone to reverse the transaction. So, the questions to you are: - Has Dmoser4 ever backed you? - If not, have you contacted Dmoser4 to find out his side of the story? - How did someone cash out from your account without accessing your email to confirm the withdraw? |
