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Title: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: X68N on January 15, 2016, 05:20:56 AM i began to hate hackers more and more i grew older, think like they are hacker pigs :(
http://blog.cryptsy.com/ there is a slight chance of a soloution but in general if cryptsy claims bankcruptsy this will be the next big bad news for cryptocurrencies. I for my self as longterm investor lost my faith in the crypto project. The security measurements cryptsy had taken seems not enought. So for an average, the task of securing cryptos values is like black magic. "Well" done hacker pigs, another nail into the coffin of the cryptocurrencies. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Robertt on January 15, 2016, 05:28:17 AM You can't blame the hackers for this, if there even were any hackers.
Out of the big amount of legitimate hackers, only a smaller amount use their skills for bad. The other ones who are theirs aren't crooks, they use pre made tools and think they are hackers. You have to blame cryptsy, because first of all; they lied about it for a whole year. Why would you do that? Because you want more people to deposit, meaning you get more money for yourself. If they were actually hacked they would have admitted it and not waited a year. Bounty hunters will think the BTC isn't worth hunting so the bounty they set won't be paid, and it gave them more than enough time to use/hide the BTC. I'm not sure why you call them hacker pigs, most hackers do what they do for a reason and most of them help instead of harming. You don't hate hackers, you hate script kiddies. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: X68N on January 15, 2016, 05:44:24 AM i can see why they waited 1,5 years , to avoid a complete crash.
They decreased the liabilities from 13000 to 10000 BTC which is a good thing which justifies this action. If they did just shut down 3000 BTC more funds where missing. And for the hackers i watched the scene (10 years) long enough to make a judgement for myself. The old categories black/white/grey-hat script kiddies is just a point of view, since you never now for sure until the police get them in jail. I am just sick of this BS, but thanks for your comment. greetings Title: Re: Sad news from Cryp Post by: Robertt on January 15, 2016, 05:49:55 AM i can see why they waited 1,5 years , to avoid a complete crash. They decreased the liabilities from 13000 to 10000 BTC which is a good thing which justifies this action. If they did just shut down 3000 BTC more funds where missing. And for the hackers i watched the scene (10 years) long enough to maek a judgement for myself. The old categories black/white/grey-hat script kiddies is just a point of view, since you never now for sure until the police get them in jail. I am just sick of this BS, but thanks for your comment. greetings Police don't put hackers in jail. Sure they catch very few, but the majority never get caught or questioned. When I was 12-13 years old I would do very stupid things, such as injecting websites with my name, cross site scripting with sites, defacing & destroying sites, stealing & selling databases, some of the bigger stuff, etc. Nothing too bad like stealing 5 million but some of the stuff I was doing was still a criminal offence in some places, including my country/state. Funny thing is I never used any sort of protection, my IP was very easy to trace, and yet nothing happened. The categories aren't just a point of view, it's a way to describe them. The real hackers don't need to use things like script kiddies. Others just help with security, and the rest are in between. Everyone is sick of the hacking bullshit that is used when someone's account scams, when a site loses money, when a person needs an excuse, etc. I'm tired of all the people using the same shitty accuse, it is pretty annoying how no one can at least come up with a better excuse. They claim that the cold wallet funds were stolen due to a Trojan infection but that makes no sense because they said the Trojan was uploaded in the site as a backdoor, and last time I checked cold wallets/storages weren't stored on websites. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: jimlite on January 15, 2016, 06:01:44 AM Or it could be a Cryptorush excuse. Big Vern is like O.J., still looking for the real killer.
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: bitspill on January 15, 2016, 06:15:41 AM Just in case...
https://archive.is/7pzRf Code: Announcement Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: shitalsmenon on January 15, 2016, 07:15:14 AM Only thing now is to :- do remember all the Cryptsy team , Cryptsy fanboyz and devs that were along/supporting in this show all the time together for future such events be caught quickly ! As its the same people making making GOX show repeat again and again ! Specially the fanboyz who where telling i totally trust Cryptsy and they never go poof ! Similar to Garza fanboys ! Without this fanboyz, truth would have came out pretty soon ! Blind dumb herd mentality followers !
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: d-trix on January 15, 2016, 07:22:58 AM Or it could be a Cryptorush excuse. Big Vern is like O.J., still looking for the real killer. Not much of a difference both of them got hacked big time. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: enhu on January 15, 2016, 07:41:00 AM bankruptcy? nice! ;D
I don't believe about hacking. Exchange sites secure their websites to all penetration and they knew this well for hackers are always there keeping an eye for every opportunity. If its indeed true, the hacker just did it after cryptsy's scamming. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Bluestreet on January 15, 2016, 07:55:29 AM This shouldn't surprise anyone. Look deep within yourselves and you know they were adding some really dodgy currencies that were blatant scams.
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: cinnamon_carter on January 15, 2016, 08:03:43 AM no excuse for waiting such a long time to disclose shortage of btc
i cannot defend their action , but i will state that those who continue to try to handle bitcoin or other coins with 'old style money' solutions, like bankruptcy, lawsuits ect will always fail the most important sentence of what cryptsy's post said is a solution may only come from the bitcoin community ==== had they posted this information as soon as they were aware with all details of how /when and exactly what code was run on thier system it would be a lot more likely to find out what happened when .... again not defending allowing deposits to continue or such but people need to stop seeking old style solutions to problems created by the action of people mishandling others private keys ect.... which is how i see this a matter of trust..... get used to the fact that you can sue someone in the US and get a judgment, they can file bankruptcy and if they were incorperated you won't get a f'ing dime but no court or siimilar authority back by 'guys with guns' (which is all that backs up dollars, euros ect,....) can produce or refund bitcoin it was designed with those who have a vision for the future beyond these outdated systems I hope people will start learning this ...... before anyone else has to lose anything. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: CryptoCanary on January 15, 2016, 08:38:19 AM I wrote a quick article about the topic. http://us.newsbtc.com/something-is-out-of-the-bag-at-cryptsy-cat-or-truth/ (http://us.newsbtc.com/something-is-out-of-the-bag-at-cryptsy-cat-or-truth/)
I hope I summarized the sentiments of the community well. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: CryptoMaik on January 15, 2016, 08:54:58 AM Damn... i lose a lot of coins when cryptsy closed the doors.
Unfortunately, I had long been suspected that the problems with crypsty causes by hacking. I was unable to withdraw. You see...even cold storage are not safe. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: ethought on January 15, 2016, 09:43:13 AM Damn... i lose a lot of coins when cryptsy closed the doors. Unfortunately, I had long been suspected that the problems with crypsty causes by hacking. I was unable to withdraw. You see...even cold storage are not safe. What Cryptsy had was NOT a cold storage wallet if someone was able to withdraw coins from it. It was a hot (or warm at least) wallet or inside job, I suspect the former. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: MikroTik on January 15, 2016, 09:43:57 AM I don`t know what to say to guys which loose coins on cryptsy, but notsofast talked about this a year ago on twitter to withdraw all funds.
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: pc888 on January 15, 2016, 09:44:54 AM Not good news which ever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: tbearhere on January 15, 2016, 11:14:35 AM Did anyone take into consideration that allegedly vern is in a divorce proceedings?
Had link but they changed it. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: X68N on January 15, 2016, 11:21:26 AM Did anyone take into consideration that allegedly vern is in a divorce proceedings? Had link but they changed it. you mean he stole the money because of court debts from divorce ?? xD wtf Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: tbearhere on January 15, 2016, 11:27:42 AM Did anyone take into consideration that allegedly vern is in a divorce proceedings? Had link but they changed it. you mean he stole the money because of court debts from divorce ?? xD wtf Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: DeCrypterManiac on January 15, 2016, 11:29:31 AM Did anyone take into consideration that allegedly vern is in a divorce proceedings? Had link but they changed it. you mean he stole the money because of court debts from divorce ?? xD wtf When you have money - you have girls - when the money 's gone - the girls are too... Always the same, all around the world... Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: onemorexmr on January 15, 2016, 11:33:27 AM Did anyone take into consideration that allegedly vern is in a divorce proceedings? Had link but they changed it. you mean he stole the money because of court debts from divorce ?? xD wtf When you have money - you have girls - when the money 's gone - the girls are too... Always the same, all around the world... IMHO you know the wrong type of girls Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: X68N on January 15, 2016, 11:58:21 AM Did anyone take into consideration that allegedly vern is in a divorce proceedings? Had link but they changed it. you mean he stole the money because of court debts from divorce ?? xD wtf When you have money - you have girls - when the money 's gone - the girls are too... Always the same, all around the world... IMHO you know the wrong type of girls not the wrong type, the common type! I know the only way to avoid this divorce theft from a women, is to not marry a women under your own wealth status! That is the only Soloution to not get divorce robbed. If you own a business, date only women with similar value assets! damn the truth came out quickly, the damn b**** thinks she can grab our funds? i mean its client money not verns money , stupid greedy wh**** , i am really pissed ~2,5K* on the edge. here i found this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmozhPZncvo Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Splatters on January 15, 2016, 01:06:29 PM I'm not using crypsty for a long time now, I don't know why, but I started using another exchange and I don't have BTC left or alt on cryptsy.
Anyway, what's happening it's not a good thing, this means that every exchange can die soon, but this is not the news. Tomorrow could born a new exchange and even trex or ccex could die. Better be prudent with our coins. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Acidx on January 15, 2016, 01:07:48 PM Silk road 2 all over again?
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: barrysty1e on January 15, 2016, 04:07:32 PM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic.
Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Lightsplasher on January 15, 2016, 06:36:29 PM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic. Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. Something doesn't seem to add up right to me. If your running an exchange you should be building daemon code from source and not put any executables from an unknown source on critical to function computers. Since we have access to the code in question I would really like to hear a detailed technical explanation of how the code could have been used in this way. If you ask me transparency is critical in any exchange (or any big institutions) right now. We deserve the right to know what is happening at the time it happens and not a year and half later. Trying to turn a “profit” after such an event is just plain ridiculous imho. Where's the value for 13,000 BTC and 300,000 LTC really being taken from if you think about it? I really don't wish this situation on anyone and hope things turn out fine for everyone at whatever the outcome. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: seedooroff on January 15, 2016, 07:59:04 PM Hello! Theft with cryptsy occurred much earlier than the loss are correct. It is also strange that the thief has not yet been cashed BTC (they are not on any of the exchanges, and they are on the private purse). I think it's made himself Vern, trying to stock up on "golden parachute". Do you think I'm wrong? But remember that the faithful continued to accept deposits in the last days, when he was preparing the announcement of the closing. Vern was responsible for the means of the users and earned it, so he has to compensate fully for the damage to his negligence. Now we have to put an ultimatum: "Either Vern returns the money somehow, or he goes to jail!" Do not blanch it, he tries to cross everything on the shoulders of the user when he is guilty. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: MisO69 on January 15, 2016, 08:17:16 PM I don't know the details of his divorce, but if his ex is trying to get his money then why not fake a hack. Keep all the BTC in a wallet for now and say its the hackers wallet. Ex-wife gets nothing.. A few years later he retires to another country without extradition treaties to the US.
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Hash72 on January 15, 2016, 08:17:56 PM There is no complete trust in any EXG(platform against hackers or administration itself) around .so better to keep your coins safe in fully encrypted wallet ,so better to hit - trade - safe and quick return to the wallet () .
Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: fauceteer on January 16, 2016, 01:00:16 AM Just got the bad news.
Are all assets frozen on Cryptsy ? Or only BTC LTC. Hence can I pull out my DASH? Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Woody20285 on January 16, 2016, 02:29:18 AM Just got the bad news. Website is not working at all - you can see your balances but no buys or sells. Closed for business.Are all assets frozen on Cryptsy ? Or only BTC LTC. Hence can I pull out my DASH? It strikes me that an easy way to steal that much would be to claim you were hacked... and head for an island. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: barrysty1e on January 16, 2016, 03:26:02 AM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic. Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. Something doesn't seem to add up right to me. If your running an exchange you should be building daemon code from source and not put any executables from an unknown source on critical to function computers. Since we have access to the code in question I would really like to hear a detailed technical explanation of how the code could have been used in this way. If you ask me transparency is critical in any exchange (or any big institutions) right now. We deserve the right to know what is happening at the time it happens and not a year and half later. Trying to turn a “profit” after such an event is just plain ridiculous imho. Where's the value for 13,000 BTC and 300,000 LTC really being taken from if you think about it? I really don't wish this situation on anyone and hope things turn out fine for everyone at whatever the outcome. They do build daemons from source; they also audit any code before compilation/acceptance. They also run each daemon in a chroot/jail meaning individual daemons are isolated from each other. What i posted was the IRC module from Batcoin vs Luckycoin, they are nearly identical. My point was that the LuckyCoin accusation is a load of crap. Irc.cpp is literally a tiny IRC client that logs onto public IRC nodes, so they can find other peers to communicate with In fact, go to github.com, type 'irc.cpp' (without the quotes) into the search box and see how many coins have this mechanism. Next person who continues to believe BigVern is going to cop a belt from me. His cloak and dagger/divert attention tactics are so obvious. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: Dogedarkdev on February 14, 2016, 01:29:33 AM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic. Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. ^ what an idiot. clearly he didn't even actually compare them, because the lucky7 coin does have an irc backdoor, and the batcoin source does not. dooglas summed it up pretty well in his "issue" https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/issues/1 maybe barrysty1e cant read. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: bitspill on February 14, 2016, 06:06:26 AM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic. Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. ^ what an idiot. clearly he didn't even actually compare them, because the lucky7 coin does have an irc backdoor, and the batcoin source does not. dooglas summed it up pretty well in his "issue" https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/issues/1 maybe barrysty1e cant read. In addition to Dooglus' explanation if a diff tool is used you can clearly see the new code that barrysty1e claims isn't there. https://www.diffnow.com/?report=8u6xk Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: FinanceUS on February 15, 2016, 01:43:31 PM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic. Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. ^ what an idiot. clearly he didn't even actually compare them, because the lucky7 coin does have an irc backdoor, and the batcoin source does not. dooglas summed it up pretty well in his "issue" https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/issues/1 maybe barrysty1e cant read. In addition to Dooglus' explanation if a diff tool is used you can clearly see the new code that barrysty1e claims isn't there. https://www.diffnow.com/?report=8u6xk Yes but Cryptsy could just disable irc in the code and such hack could then be avoided. Title: Re: Sad news from Cryptsy Post by: CryptoCanary on February 15, 2016, 03:02:27 PM The luckycoin scapegoat is so unbelievably pathetic. Compare: https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp https://github.com/OriginalBatCoin/BatCoin/blob/master/src/irc.cpp This is how many early coins found their peers. Not only did BigVern rip everyone off, he used such a pathetic excuse which he knew everyone who can't code would believe. Its hype like this, from people repeating 'fings they herd' - that has ruined cryptocurrency. ^ what an idiot. clearly he didn't even actually compare them, because the lucky7 coin does have an irc backdoor, and the batcoin source does not. dooglas summed it up pretty well in his "issue" https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin/issues/1 maybe barrysty1e cant read. In addition to Dooglus' explanation if a diff tool is used you can clearly see the new code that barrysty1e claims isn't there. https://www.diffnow.com/?report=8u6xk Yes but Cryptsy could just disable irc in the code and such hack could then be avoided. I do not think Cryptsy could just disable IRC, FinanceUS. Coins cloned prior to the 0.6 release of bitcoin use IRC to find peers. In more recent cloned versions of bitcoin's source it is still implemented and can be enabled using the -irc command line option. Disabling or removing IRC from a coin would not only cause it to loose this ability, it may in fact, cause the coin to not function as it does need the ability to find peers. I have not inspected Lucky 7's code to know which version of bitcoin it was cloned from or if it was cloned from a subsequent clone. But, in any form and in Cryptsy's defense, blindly removing or disabling sections of code, especially what very well may be fundamental code, is not a good practice. I am not saying Cryptsy could not have avoided this. Simply, I am saying, disabling IRC is not the way they could have been expected to avoid this because, surely their staff knew of the core necessity of IRC in coins. Take a peek in your favorite coin's debug.log file. Search for IRC. |