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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0) - Last update 15-11-18

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

** jan 16

There is a new wave of possible scammers, People who buy up legendary accounts and trade untill they have large sum of money then run, This has been done with a very trusted account recently.

Please be cautious, I am trying to set up a 3 way secure key escrow for my personal escrows to add peace of mind.

I would like to point out, that I do not partake in escrowing forum accounts, I never have and never will, in fact its against the rules on my forum, This is a trust based commodity as it stands, if we keep moving the goal posts as well as the stadium, no one can be accountable for theft!

Keep safe people, dont give up, trust in BTC, suspect people :-)

** April 17

please watch out for fake accounts made to look like hero/legendary escrow accounts, check the join date and the letters of the name exatly! some use numerical 0 instead of alphabetical O, and please watch out for sold accounts! this forum allows selling of any account, so make it difficult to know who's still real, I do not allow selling of accounts on my forum  ::)

** Nov 18

watch out for fishing links, you will get a link in your PM directing you to a "really good deal" in another thread, when you click the link it will show this forum but you are not logged in! THIS IS A FAKE FORUM! designed to make you think you are not logged in so you put in your password! please report the message to mods in your inbox.

Stickied. I've seen enough scams happening without the use of escrow. Also, escrows increase the amount of trust a seller/buyer conveys, and thus increase the possibility of sales for newer members.

I've used escrow with a few transactions with shady people, and it totally saved the transactions. Other people have done transactions with these same people, without escrow, and suffered losses. Escrow is ALWAYS a good idea, no matter who you are trading with.

Once we get trustworthy people to handle transactions then chances are we'll hear less about scams, escrow services are probably going to replace banks for the most part at least when it comes to physical goods.

Nitpick: Prevention is better than a cure.

Good catch.  :P
Edited OP to help reflect this.

Yer, I type fast, Typo's are easy for me, Especially when emotion and feeling is involved.

Excuses...Excuses...TUT.

P.S. Ta john for sticky.

For the time being I feel semi-safe with this practice. But I still fear the reaper.... Nothing is safe  really. It's not a matter of if It's when these sites will have something exploited.

I know most of these escrow services are serious about the work being done. but so wher a ton of the exchanges, online wallets and buyback services that have lost some serious hide after being exploited.

I commend the efforts and advocates of escrow services for coin. It's a huge step in the right direction of makeing everyone at the very least comfortable enough to trade with the currency.

in Portuguese we say: "prevenir é melhor do que remediar"

But what is an "escrow"?

Darktongue but how it should work? Give me an example, please.

1) Buyer meets seller but afraid to do the deal for the lack of reputation on both sides. (the age old conundrum - who will send first?)
2) They meet an escrow person, someone who's not likely to run with the amount transacted.
3) Buyer sends coins to escrow, escrow confirms acceptance.
4) Seller sends item to buyer, giving tracking numbers to buyer and escrow person.
5a) Buyer confirms acceptance, escrow sends coins to seller.
5b) Buyer states item lost/damaged, escrow mediates the transaction based on evidence of both sides and decides who to send coins to.

Thanks!!  ;)

Learn about cryptographic escrow!  Actual "How It Works" text from my escrow utility available at https://casascius.com/btcaddress-alpha.zip


How Three-Party Cryptographic Escrow Works

Escrow allows two people to transact in Bitcoin while leaving their funds visible to everybody and accessible to nobody until somebody releases them.  It allows the payer or the payee to release funds to one another, and also lets a third person decide for them if the two can't agree.  The third person never has access to take the funds, and is only needed to release the funds if the original two can't agree who gets them.  Whoever gets a copy of all three "invitations" gets access to the funds.

Let's pretend that Alice wants to pay Bob, and they agree to use Eddie as their escrow agent.

First, Eddie creates a pair of Escrow Invitation codes.  This is a matched pair of codes representing a single invitation.  These codes can be used by someone else in a future transaction to give Eddie the authority to act as the escrow agent.  He gives one code to Alice and the other to Bob, and keeps a copy for himself.

Second, Bob creates a Payment Invitation and gives it only to Alice, but keeps a copy for himself.  When Alice and Bob use the escrow tool to combine their individual Escrow Invitation codes with the Payment Invitation, they'll get the same Bitcoin address.  Alice and Bob must agree they have generated the same address.

Third, Alice sends Bitcoins to that address.  Now, nobody can get them until someone releases them.

Alice can release the Bitcoins to Bob by giving a copy of her Escrow Invitation code to Bob (so that he now has both halves, as well as his Payment Invitation).  He'll use the "Collect Your Funds" tab to enter all three, and will receive the private key needed to claim the funds.  The private key can be imported into a Bitcoin client or web wallet.

Bob can give a refund to Alice by giving her a copy of his Escrow Invitation code.

Eddie can also force the payment to be awarded to Alice or Bob by giving them both Escrow Invitation codes.  Eddie can't claim the payment himself because he would also need the Payment Invitation, which he doesn't have.

^ Awesome work Casascius, had to check this one right away, now it should be way easier to do escrow-ed trades.

That crypto exchange is mathematically cool. Say Alice sold Bob plasma tv. She got proof of postage. Bob claims he got cardboard sheets in the box instead of TV. What is Eddie going to do?  Goods and services' indisputable proof of completed transaction is not there :D I say use common sense. If its normally looking internet shop, with paypal, etc they are unlikely to scam you out of say 50 usd worth of btc :D If its gumtree of Craigslist ad you might want to ask seller to confirm his id via Facebook :) And if seller wishes to remain anon well then otc web of trust or SR feedback :)

Wouldn't simply using bitmit for transactions be an acceptable form of escrow? Are they trustworthy?

Use common sense when dealing on the internet... PERIOD

Casascius, the 3 party cryptographic escrow sounds like a neat solution. Who offers this service?

Yes, they are a form of escrow, but you have to flat pay a fee. Other escrows have lesser fees since they are not a true marketplace.

As a rule of thumb, NEVER pay for escrow services. Tipping someone doing it voluntarily is something different. If someone wants to be paid (usually a small amount), don't you think they'd be happy to take your "escrowed" funds as an additional form of "payment"? I say escrow ONLY w/mods or users with an extensive blemish free-trade history. I've posted somewhere else, but I will volunteer my escrow services. Do your due-diligence on me before you take me up on it though ;)

I do require a fee for more substantial trades now (50+BTC) to deal with the extended risk. An escrow that requires no fees for bigger deals is either someone who's really good(as he is effectively looking at negative ROI with the risk) or someone who will run if any problems arises. (getting hacked etc)

Good to know, bookmarked for future reference. I've been swindled quite a bit in the past in various communities and buy a variety of friends so when pre-cautions are possible you can count me in.

Newb/Jr's listen to this advice lol. I believe i have been scammed, I could have avoided the scam if I went with escrow. Unfortunately there are human beings out there who would rather take your money then attain enough intelligence to make their own money.

Report him to the scammers thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0). I was following your transaction because I almost sent the guy money too.

I believe his friend on the board is controlled by him too so I'd recommend reporting him too just so he can't use that account to scam someone else.

I cant report him yet as the loan is still valid, it ends on the 6th and I would hate it if he was legit but go banned before paying back the loan lol. He has not been active since that day so I doubt he would be scamming anyone else with his account.

I thought it was due yesterday, sorry.

Hopefully he pays you back but it's not looking great. I got scammed recently too. It really sucks. Makes you lose faith in humanity.

BTW it should be this way and not "unlikely", But for some reason no one likes 2 sig addresses!

I don't mind if it was 1 sig and John was the escrow  ::), Yes John you got a stalker now, Deal with it  :-*

+1 Very good idea to use escrow.  Probably a good percentage of the recent new users are scammers, as well as some of the non-recent users.

Hya guys,

I have started a new escrow recently and I offering discounts to my customers for a good few weeks until the website is up. Please see the thread below, if you wish to talk live with me either PM or even chat to me in the BTC-E chatbox as I am one of the moderators on there. I am located in the Midlands, UK, and I am more than happy to meet in person for extra security and you can even have an ID proof.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219412.0

AS THIS THREAD SUGGESTS, DON'T RISK BUYING ANYTHING WITHOUT AN ESCROW.... FOR THE FEE'S INVOLVED THIS IS A BARGAIN TO PAY FOR EXTRA SECURITY!

Kato, I've implemented Casascius cryptographic escrow into an easy to use web service that doesn't need any 3rd party intervention. So two people could transact between each other and handle escrows themselves without having to trust a 3rd party. I don't save the wallet addresses, payment codes, or private keys to the database. I don't want to highjack the thread just wanted to point that out.

Lol, how is that? Please enlighten us how your web service works.

Because the important part of the process is generated by the user client side. So say a buyer needs to setup an escrow, they would generate their escrow code A. Input that escrow code A into step 2 to generate a wallet address and payment code. hit complete the escrow transaction and send an email to the other party with the details of the transaction. Send another email to themselves with the escrow details. Originating user never sees the escrow code B, all we store is the two escrow codes and corresponding emails. Thats all we need it's based on a 3 key transaction to unlock the funds. Both users have 2 pieces of the puzzle (Buyer - Escrow Code A, Payment Code, Wallet Address) (Seller - Escrow Code B, Payment Code, Wallet Address) (Coinguard - Escrow Code A, Escrow Code B, Email1, Email2)

I designed the system so I can never see what the wallet address or payment code are. I knew this would be a sticking point for users and in general the safety of the site. Because if I stored everything it allow people to hack the site, and so I never can ever run with funds. I don't even know what the addresses of the wallets are, nor the private key. But that also means that if you lose a piece of the escrow I can't help you because none of that info was stored.  

I know many will be skeptical but if people don't test it out how will trust ever be established. People don't have to put btc in the test escrow account to kick the tires to see how the service works.

I can easily provide a screenshot of the db tables that are stored. I will even give a trusted member access to the backend to validate I'm telling the truth.

I would even invite casascius to try it out, and I think he would be pleasantly surprised.

And what prevents you from changing the system once its validated?

I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys :)

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?

Thank you so much, I been meaning make a list of all the "trusted" escrow people on the forum.

+1

Ya - John offers the most popular escrow service as far as I can tell, but does not live in the US, doesn't have any physical or registered businesses relating to the escrow service in the US (AFAIK), probably doesn't have US bank accounts holding customers' USD, and has no US-controlled domain they can seize. That's practically complete protection from government interference.  :D

 :P Correct - and my country of citizenship does not have a history of giving in to the old States' demands. This may change though as I may need to live in the States for a few years.  :-[ Oh, and I would never do fiat-based escrows, just for the record.

Need a place to crash?  :)

Nah, I'm fine. :D Thanks for the offer though, can't wait to see other Bitcoiners over at the States!

Does any service do computer game account escrow?

What kind of game account are we talking about? It would mean that the escrow party has access to the game, and can change the password.

A EvE online account.
The Escrow could be done through the website.

It would take 24 to 48 hours to compleate the character transfer.

Why would bitcoin escrow services come under attack? They do not exchange BTC into fiat, so what justification would the government use to go after them?

As long as I don't have to download a 1 gigabyte client or 100 gigabytes of game data, I can do it. I used to play some MMORPGs and they used to require huge downloads, game updates, etc.

Many people are worried about getting scammed, but are all the escrow services trustworthy?

If escrow is the solution to reduce scamming, can we be sure escrow services are legit?  Are there any escrow services to avoid? Any ones that are widely recommended?

Not all are legit.


John K.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141672.0

Tomatocage
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522

Casascius
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2676

I am looking for small (tiny!) transactions to act as an Escrow Provider for to build trust in the community.

I posted more details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264799.new#new

well how can you know if you can trust the escrow service though :/

You cannot trust them "absolutely". But again you cannot trust anything "absolutely". You have to "relatively" trust them. For myself I follow these guidelines:

1- Never scale up escrow trusted amounts: (If the community trusted this escrow with 100-200BTC in the past, Don't go ahead with 1000+BTC deals with this escrow -_-!)

2- Never do any transactions in private (Self explanatory)

3- Have everything cryptographically signed by a known key for the escrow (Self explanatory)

I hope this helps.

There is an escrow whitelist / blacklist compiled here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

John K is of course in the top spot. (And yay!, I'm next.)

You're spot on.  The "you sent me an empty package" scam is common.  I know because I've sent out tens of thousands of packages in my business and there are customers who probably never pay for anything they order online.

What we do is carefully weigh every order before packaging it up.  That way they cannot claim the package was shipped empty or with missing items etc.  Well, they do sometimes try but at least we know for a fact it didn't happen.

In defense of some customers, it could be a little brother or other household member gets to the package first and removes stuff before the real owner knows the package has arrived.  This is actually quite common.

We really need a customer rating system too so that merchants can avoid them.

As you mention, a company selling hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stuff every year is likely not going to try and scam you out of fifty bucks.  Doesn't make sense, just too small of an amount for them to risk losing the confidence of potential customers.

Kluge, the evil mastermind, took it from you. ;)

Dabs should be there, but the trust system is still fairly new, and kind of wonky. Using defaulttrust to proclaim some objective trustworthiness rating is sketchy.

ETA: What crazyates posted below is true, and I have no defense against it.

I will never use Kluge for escrow again. Everyone got paid in the end, but he was extremely unprofessional, and dishonest.

I video all my parcels, sign for them, take them in and open and inspect it, I even set it up in ONE take if necessary, This has helped me out more than once.

I'm sorta relieved i'm not on this other whitelist/blacklist thing, I am happy doing escrows on the quiet.

I would like to ask the community, EVERYONE is using johnK, Not saying this is a bad thing, He's a sound person and I have had good dealings with him, But the list of reputable escrows are still very slim, Do you think this is going to get too much for one person? Is this how we run a decentralized community?

When John K was busy, I got more contracts. Then he finally settled in, and the contracts dried up. So if he gets too many, escrow will become decentralized. Don't worry about it.

He deservedly has the highest fees now.

Is John K around.  Ishe trusted still!???.



BTC CRow.      Anyone use it. Experience

1) yes, Tho very busy.

2) I have used it, I have found it a good experience, The operator was helpful, If you use it, You will get e-mails every step of the way, Be careful not to click on the link to release funds! this is a one way deal, Watch your e-mail account, Some people do a deal, then hack your e-mail to release the funds!

How does one become an escrow "agent"?  I wouldn't mind help facilitating a sale or be the middle man in a sale.  I've never offered it before but I'd have to start from somewhere.  I'll do it for free.. no donations required either.. I just wanna' learn.

How to find best escrow.. ??

Escrow is very well and good but you are still putting trust in other people who may have a difference of opinion to the seller in terms of a dispute.

I firmly believe that buyers should be responsible for doing all the due diligence that they see fit before sending payment for any goods or services, common sense, above all else, should tell you if you're going to be ripped off or not.

If someone wants to sell something it is the buyers prerogative to make absolutely sure that the seller is genuine - of course it has hard to be certain that newer members are 100% legitimate - if you have doubt don't deal with them. Using an escrow service is fine, but I don't believe it is the future, especially for online retailers as they are not likely to accept BTC if escrow is required, it's simply too time consuming.

If a brand new member claims to have 1000 BTC and wants to sell, without even offering proof of wallet ownership - don't bother asking for escrow - it's simply a scam, move on. But if someone is trying to sell a small amount of BTC from a long time account and you are interested, it is for the buyer to meet the sellers terms if they choose to respond to the advert. The buyer after all did not advertise 'Selling $100 for 0.15 BTC, message if interested'.

I hate scams as much as anyone else, it's awful for people to contemplate stealing someone else's BTC or anything else for that matter. But if I want to sell something - you meet my terms. Just as if I want to buy something from you I would expect to meet your terms. I think only this way is the future for BTC. Use care and common sense and you should be OK.



 

I agreed  about using escrow thank you for share.

i think people should have the details of any escrow service such as telephone number and address and next of kin telephone number.

not necessarily people who do escrow have to give out sensitive information but people should be advised only to use those who do

after all those people are holding our money.

see here (i am not affiliated and not promoting)  maidek offers escrow  see here   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133985.0  with phone number and his ebay details  which is a start.

i am only reporting this after seeing john k disappear for over a month without leaving a trace behind him and he was the biggest one.  he was always honest and was a college student but anyone who had money by him is now stuck with no contact.

see here and further posts  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141672.msg4275680#msg4275680

just my 0.2BTC

if anyone finds anything wrong with this post pls contact and i can edit or remove it

good advice ^


hope you are keeping well :)

Ok,

I think there needs to be some new rules established for this forum. There are way too many scams going on in the marketplace and too many new users showing up with lots of pricey hardware for sale with little or no proof that they own it.

That said, I think some simple rules and regulations for posting in classifieds would be very helpful.

1. All for sale threads MUST have atleast one picture of the physical item you are selling which includes a piece of paper with user name and date in the shot. This is required on many other forums and is a no-brainer.

2. A list of payment options posted in the very first post with it clearly stated whether escrow is accepted or not and who the preferred escrow provider would be.

Finally. Its been a while since I was a newbie but if I remember correctly. There were requirements for post counts etc. before posting in the rest of the site. I think it would be nice if these were made a little stricter for the marketplace section... something like >50 posts required.

Thanks,

As a mod here I don't want to intervene too much, and tell people how they should do business, and your proposed changes won't stop people from scamming and getting scammed .

In the past one had to make 4 posts and stay online for 4 hours (cumulatively) to be able to post outside the newbies' section, now it's 1 post & 4h. The 50 posts requirement to post in Marketplace wouldn't be much of a deterrent because there are plenty of people that post more than that daily, it would make more sense if it was based on Activity but I would still be against such measures as it would only stop the laziest and the most obvious scammers.

I understand where u are coming from... but from what I can tell... about half of the newbie posts in hardware are obvious scams. It makes it tedious to even browse hardware...

John Q sir,

I have an idea to do a major and neat raffle for a truck that is worth BTC30. Looking to get around 35 and give a 2 BTC for your services. Please PM if interested and I am also open to any suggestions in how to make legit and make it work. Thank you.

Escrow protects the buyer, but how does it protect the seller?  What if the buyer makes false claims of broken hardware, etc?

Please someone let me know, I am interested in selling some things and want to make sure everything will go smooth.

Where can I find a list of escrow services providers?  ???

No Paypal, no Western Union, No credit cards, no checks for me...ONLY escrow. I've learned my lessons

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

This one is more updated.

I am still wondering about this.  Anyone?

Thanks  man for a  list of escrow services providers. That's good to use it as you can make sure there is no scam.

Man-in-the-middle is a partial solution, but there's no way to fully solve it AFAIK. The escrow provider is shipped the item from the seller, escrow provider verifies its contents and can probably test any hardware for a couple hours, and then the escrow provider ships it to the buyer. That's expensive, though, and doesn't definitively rule out electronics, in particular, getting banged up in the shipping process from the escrow provider to the buyer.

The most reasonable way to go about it is to just honor refunds like virtually every online seller on Earth. Have a brief testing window in the purchase agreement - maybe two or three days from the time it's delivered. If the buyer says it's DoA, he pays shipping back and is fully refunded what was held in escrow. The brief refund window makes the shipping costs on the buyer's side too expensive to lie about for profit, unlike 30-90 day refund windows with companies like Newegg or Tiger Direct.

yes escrow is safe for both seller and buyer

Very good, thank you :)

Escrow is better then nothing.

Thanks for the escrow list

Hi i want to sell items online using BTC but i don't know how to use escrow. are there any fees that i need to pay if i am the seller?

That is true, I invested several coins, but some of them cheat. However, we could not find reliable escrow to support.

Now more and more a liar, legerdemain more and more is also high, hope there will be less ???

For Security and other services here are charges involved. But, definitely you will be free of mind that a transaction is safe and secure.

Thanks

Hiya, I will be removing the thumbs up approach and starting a trading trust list, This will include everyone.

NOTE - I keep leaving too long a gap between updates, I am sorry  :-[ I will strive to do better, If I have not included you thus far, please post after this one, I will update in day or two, Also, If I have missed your PM I would rather you post your services here, I do alot of escrows myself and PM's tend to get lost.

Thanks all.

While I support what you are saying the problem is we will never get btc main stream if we continue to escrow. We actually need a service like ebay or place where people transfer their btc and leave it there and the shipper ships the items to them once he posts the tracking number he should be paid. I am selling some stuff. I dont mind accepting escrow/btc/credit cards. But I would prefer people use more btc then any other method.

k I just read up on escrow. Basically escrow is for btc. As a seller I do have a question it says that the buyer has to release the funds once the seller ships. What if the seller ships and buyer doesnt release the funds where does the seller stand then?
I have looked at the following
http://thrucoin.com/create

Thx for the list,im trying to sell my one of my Cam BTC Girls website HotCam.ro on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596595.msg7392067#msg7392067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596595.msg7392067#msg7392067) and for sure i will use an escrow from the list.Thx again.

Here is the service like ebay,no this is better) http://cryptobid.org (http://cryptobid.org) we are still working on it,but beta version already here  http://beta.cryptobid.org (http://beta.cryptobid.org)

Forgive my ignorance, I saw that the trustworthiness of "john k" was called into question on this thread, how did that shake out? I am asking because I am triyng to get a handle on things before I look to use an escrow service when I sell my coins. He was quite high on the list of trusted persons.

I have used Escrows many times. but I never use single MM for Big trancations, rather I Divide that amount and Use different MM, this is because I have Seen on some forums MM has also Scamed Peoples.
But escrow is always best option

he came back, said he was ill, repaid his escrows and went off again. he is not around enough to use.
research the wot also http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php

Thats exactly what the problem is of the people at most of the forums , they dont know how to deal online and after they are scammed they blame the forum to have bad members and dont see what they are doing .

With escrow we can very safe .....  :-*

My program makes it easy to create an escrow between two people without a middleman. It use bitmessage network to send key's and all what need to create multisig escrow. The only negative, you should have downloaded the whole blockchain because program use Satishi's bitcoin-qt. Developing lite version with electrum. It is open source. More about it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589578.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589578.0) or bitxbay.ws (http://bitxbay.ws/)

When we give people the authority to handle the transactions, we give them the right to take decisions. According to me, escrow services are probably going to replace banks for the most part at least when it comes to physical goods.

Have been using escrow for a long period now, but is nothing if you are transacting with a trustworthy person

I am willing to do small escrow amounts of 1 btc and under.  see my trust here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507

see my ebay account info here

http://www.ebay.com/usr/philipma1957 >>>>>>>>> close to 11 years on ebay  

 1440+ positives  and I had only 1 negative which was removed by ebay.  It was a first time buyer that  lied most likely to hurt my rep.


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2050430.m2531.l4585


 Fees will be .002btc which I donate to the   blockchain when I  transfer the btc due him. 

Liar, nothing is 100% safe. This thread is an example and proves that we will be fooled everyday!

Erm, Where did I say this was 100% safe? I will reiterate for you


I urge people to use their heads.

Why aren't services like BITHALO or counterparty mentioned?? 3rd party escrow is exactly what we (crypto) want to avoid... Decentralized currency... No coercion.. No monopolies... No more mt. gox or moolahs man. These "trusted" escrows are all trusted until the price is right then "oops we lost the funds"...   :/

Unfortunately any escrow is essentially a 3rd party, Tho I agree with you, but this list is for users on bitcointalk.org wishing to help the community, not users hiding behind a company name on a fake whois website (not reference to pre-mentioned services) so when they run of with coins it's the companies fault.

NOTE TO EVERYONE - I have not done this list in ages, Been caught up with squall coin stuff, I will do over the weekend, please message here or PM if I STILL have not listed you, Please accept my apology.

thanks man i used paypal before and trust me irts one of the worst proccessors to use

wheres a good place to do this at? where should i get an escrow sorry.. newbie here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

There's a list in the op but it's not incredibly up to date. Check the Services section for people offering escrows but only use them if they have plenty of feedback and evidence of previous trades.

Thanks for posting this mate, i need it for my future transactions.

+1   

I have now gone through the list, Should be better now, But all ways good advice to do your research before sending any money to anyone.


No worries, Please check updated list and look as recent user history to see if its all still good.  ;D

Very useful the Escrow List!
Thank you for help!

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Escrow is a dying dog... Why use a middle man when you can use smart contracts that were just release in Bitbay.
I've used escrow many times... and every time there was issues... First the escrow agent went AWOL and made me wait a few days to get paid, in the mean time btc price dropped and I lost money.


Bitbay and smart contracts are the new escrows!

GAME OVER!

Hello,

Just wondering: how can you be sure that the seller doesn't know the escrow? I mean, the escrow list is not that big and moreover the same escrow can be hidden under different usernames. Also, i noticed that there are only three or four "large" sellers of Casascius coins in this forum. So, even if the buyer choose the escrow, is there a risk that the the seller "knows" the escrow?

Am i becoming paranoiac?

What do experts think about it?

Cheers,

Bestcoin_59

As one that has sold many Casascius Coins on the forum, I have performed both escrow'ed and non-escrowed trades.  There are a few members on the forum that are well known for their escrow service and have handled 100's of BTC for transactions.  If you do not feel comfortable, contact some of the members and ask them about their process.  I have used DannyHamilton and OgNasty for both buying and selling.  I do not know them other than their professionalism in performing escrow transactions for me.

Yes, there is a risk anytime you make a transaction with parties you do not know, but escrow with an agent who has a perfect feedback in the area reduces the risk greatly.  I have done enough trades and have earned the good feedback that many times I perform trades with others with similar earned trust without escrow.

Great job ! Create an awareness about using escrow. i always use their services and everyone that buys/sells should do it also:)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0

^^^^^

Most used and trusted escrow providers' list. :)

Nice thread! Keep up the good work, Squall! :)

   ~~MZ~~

Maybe we should change the original post in this thread to something more informative.
I didn't know what an "escrow" was when I signed up here. People will see "Please escrow" and won't know what it is.
Maybe add a simple explanation?

can anyone will help mr eith this escrow.thing.....I wanna know what is it and how it works

Escrow is a a bond, deed, or other document kept in the custody of a third party and taking effect only when a specified condition has been fulfilled. That is, suppose you want to sell 1BTC for $222. You will send your 1BTC to a trusted person for escrowing it. When buyer sends you $222 into your account, you will tell the escrower that you received the money. Then the escrower releases the 1BTC to the buyer's Bitcoin address. This is how escrow works.

A list of good escrow providers : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0

   -MZ

Thanks for the OP and updates.  Thanks to the Mods that stickied this so everyone knows (including me).  Use an escrow for sales.

Great info. Love the title. Thanks for trying to keep this place safe. Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

Hungarian escrow is here?

Now a days I said to the clients to keep the money in escrow. It's safe and secure.

It's all about trust.
I figured out that trading for BTC is similar as trading for money.
Trust and confidence are in charge! ;)

Im totally agree on this point that prevention is better than cure...

Any good escrow websites?

I don't suggest you to use a website for escrowing. It is better to use in-forum escrowers.

A list of escrowers can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0.

There are many scams happening around us so its better to play safe. I suggest to use escrow services as it is safe and trustworthy. Y should we pay our hard earned money to those scammers its better to be smart and wise before investing in anything. So Prevention is always better than a  cure.

Its better not to trust anyone online because the biggest threat would be the same that you have faith in someone and he will cheat you this goes with personal life also and internet is ocean of information so cant afford to trust anyone So its better to play safe.

How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.

Thanks for the response.  Where do you recommend I start gaining reputation?  I'd prefer to start off with small amounts, not only because I don't know who to trust, but for reasons you've brought up about my current standing.  Thanks again, highly appreciated!

Why would you want to be an escrow? It's a pain in the ass and hardly worth it if you're trying to earn BTC.

Are escrow provider win a lot or no ??

Well said dear friend. Thank you for the information, as a newbie, I'll keep that in mind since I'm probably going to be heavily involved in trading.

It definitely is hard to build trust. And for good reason. My company, Gray and Sons, has already completed one transaction through the forum, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1036436.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1036436.0) , and another person made a fake account called qraysrolex and tried to scam money from a potential customer. Everyone be careful and trade with caution. We are doing as much as we can to show our authenticity. We have a real store with 20 real employees, and a real showroom in Miami Beach Florida. We're just starting to accept Bitcoin and it hasn't been easy so far.

I agree. I have watched your posts since you started and it was painful at first watching you get lambasted with scam accusations.

As you know, it's because you are selling luxury goods, so yes, you need to build trust, in fact, you really need someone from the Default Trust group to vouch for you so you have a bright green trust rating. ;)

Anyhow, keep on keeping on , watch the scams and don't get discouraged. Hell, I live in a place where 99% of the people never heard of bitcoin, you are lucky actually - play it wisely and well. :)

Cheers and love the watches , even as a poor guy! :)

Agreed, I personally did not set out to gain trust, But it was hard to get noticed without escrow, But now I have trust I do not charge for my escrows, I believe it's the DUTY of a trusted member to help people trade, not a charged service!

How do I become an escrow myself? I never really done it before and I want to be like those on the list. Do I just keep trading with btc and earn trust? Is it that easy? How did you guys get so trusted

Be honest and eventually, you can be an escrow. FWIW, I don't recommend you to become an escrow. It is a painful work.

I've heard it's always a good idea to get an escrow if you're working with people offshore, but I think it's a good idea whenever you're working with someone new. After all, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

please escrow
yap, you're right, my Bro
to preventing n make greats transaction

This quote is valued for many situations in our daily lile!escrow is a third person in a money problem  situations with two people h.is present is needed when there is any problems occured! in this situation this quote is very truthful!!...

I agree! Nowadays a lot of money to make gullible people!

can anyone please tell me how to use escrow service for anything, i am new to this site and i have not used escrow service any time.

please guide me how to use and what steps to be taken to verify the escrow person also. :)

what happens if the Well established and trusted escrow member also cheat , as that transaction is heavy then who is responsible for that loss of transaction . we cannot believe anyone until unless you know anyone ,

From beginning my business had been accepting escrow. Anybody want to buy some cigarettes from me?
Im wating for order from this forum market, and still none. Haha...
Im selling my Cigarettes on reddit too, and I got direct payment without escrow in few days. And I still newbies too, under 10 point karma. But, I deliver their order without any problem.
Being vendor that accepting escrow, sometimes make me sick. I should had more money to run my business. Waiting for their order delivered. And I got the money few weeks after. Shipping takes 4 to 30 days (even fastest shipping takes 7 days minimum). If the goods late to delivered, buyers complain and takes their money back from escrow. If buyers pretend disappointed for the product "this ciggs taste like shit, I want my money back", and they withdraw their money from escrow.
I should spare my money. Covering shipping cost, that cost half of my family budget for a month.
Imagine, you order cigarettes to me. 10 Packs cigarettes and shipping cost are $62 USD. Shipping cost itself $35 USD, that was my half month family budget. Its only covering One order. Should I sell my cigarettes 40% higher than reddit? For compensation long waiting time from escrow? How if bitcoin price falling when I receive my money in my wallet? Ha... bad day haha... waiting for nothing
Couple next day, you receive more order, with escrow too. You spent $35 USD again to covering 2nd shipping cost. And then my wife mad to me, "darling, we had no more money to buy some food, how long our goods shipped to our customer and get our money back?"
Living in 3rd world country sometimes make me mad. But, sometimes Im so happy living here. I can living my family with $100 USD for a month.
Thats why, we should build a healthy community. A healthy atmosphere. Trust between member.  Being truthfully member in bitcointalks really hard and long journey. I just try to enjoy the trip, and making business with bitcointalks member. I put all my life and reputation for doing online business. Provide real evidence, posting real photo, and updating customer progress.
Doing business for living my family, in a good and straight way. Long term business and relationship.
So, for some reason, I will accept paypal for my main gateway, bitcoin for 2nd option.
In paypal, you had 60 days money back guarantee. I provide Refund if you are not satisfied with our product. My paypal backed up with CC, so our customer will feel safe. How about bitcoin? Hmm... as vendor, we pushed to trust the escrow.
What I see in bitcointalks? nobody trust nobody. Even escrow service haha...
But, its from my opinion, who sell real goods, tangible.
- How to protect seller from scammers?
- How to make sure escrow service not scamming?
- How to avoid dick head buyers?
No trus, no sales, no business...

Thank you... I hope we can trust each other, and build good, trustworthy situation

I absolutely agree with you that what ever trading we do its very good to go with Escrow service. But before going through escrow service we have to double check about escrow persons also. but if we use escrow we can avoid the scamers from scamming us.

We should keep this pinned to the top.

Though i'm especially careful to use escrow NOW, I will admit to falling idiot victim by FE an order (not using escrow) and losing my money (like an IDIOT).  Even still, it's been difficult to find names of escrow services (on clearnet, not DNMs) but more importantly names of escrow services that themselves aren't scammers and which I can feel comfortable having control of my money for the duration of the transaction because people I trust (or hope I can) can vouch for the good ones.

Had I not stumbled across this post because it was at the top, much like I stumble across life, i'd have never found the reliable escrow list you guys have here (I should have known there was one, but have I mentioned i'm an idiot yet? :).

I don't mean to be rude to these people i'm referring to because I too am an idiot but there are many many idiot's who've somehow managed to figure out all by themselves how to turn currency into BTC (or whatever method they've used to 'acquire' BTC). 

If we don't guide them/me by making some of the first thing's they see when they click on a forum are post's linking them on how to be safe, use escrow (and which ones are safe) and depending on the person's needs other thing's like good OPSEC or fuck even just good web etiquette because it seems a lot of us are lacking in that department too, then the community will suffer from all the drama and wasted time that arises when you let scammer's get you (and then have anger to vent, typically on forums).

It's stupid but keep these simple post's with link's to good escrow or anything you consider fundamentally important up and on many of the sub-forums (I think $ when buying thing's is fundamentally important, no matter what form it's in :) ).  It might help prevent noob mistakes from the start and maybe (here's to dreaming) reduce the number of scammer's lurking.  Can't do anything about trolls (but ignore them) but you can help noobs before they whine and feed the scammers.

Thanks for the advice! showing care towards us I am new to bitcoin, and reading in this thread makes me think there are
transactions like this to keep people safe from scammers, appreciated ;D


Seeing this thread makes me think what is an escrow? but reading your post helps me understand it thanks :D
helping newbies like me, and reading everybody's post keeps me learns more about escrow thanks!

Escrow is used in tons of non-bitcoin related online transactions such as buying websites or domain names.
There is no reason for it not to be used for btc!

Yes! In using escrow it will provide security for both parties, on the loaning thread you can see that escrow is mostly use in loaning for bitcoin, in marketplace bitcointalk accounts transaction is still using escrow safe and security.

what mean by escrow? somebody tell me.. ???

A financial instrument held by a third party on behalf of the other two parties in a transaction. The funds are held by the escrow service until it receives the appropriate written or oral instructions or until obligations have been fulfilled.

For Example you are the buyer and you want to buy something online, and you want your transaction to be secure you will get a third party that is an escrow the one who hold your money for payment, if the transaction is completed and the product seem's legit then the escrow will definitely gives the money to the seller,

Yes Sir, i totally agree. I got scammed heavily. I dont know how to use Escrow especially when some one ask me to send Bitcoins to his BTC address. I am having account on LocalBitCoins. If the person whom am sending BTC dont have account on that site than how to use Escrow? I really need help to prevent me for further scams.

with type of educative and informative posts, I hate it when i hear somebody has been scam off their hard earned coins due to ignorance and greediness. I wonder what is the problem with some people.anyway thanks for taking your time to remind us of that great information

There is a new wave of possible scammers, People who buy up legendary accounts and trade untill they have large sum of money then run, This has been done with a very trusted account recently.

Please be cautious, I am trying to set up a 3 way secure key escrow for my personal escrows to add peace of mind.

I would like to point out, that I do not partake in escrowing forum accounts, I never have and never will, in fact its against the rules on my forum, This is a trust based commodity as it stands, if we keep moving the goal posts as well as the stadium, no one can be accountable for theft!

Keep safe people, dont give up, trust in BTC, suspect people :-)

ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE ADDRESS YOU ARE SENDING BTC TO BELONGS TO THE ESCROW AGENT.  NEVER TRUST ANY ADDRESS SENT TO YOU BY ANYONE EXCEPT A TRUSTED ESCROW AGENT.  SCAMMERS WILL USE SIMILAR NAMES, DOCTOR QUOTES, AND CREATE SIMILAR BTC ADDRESSES IN ATTEMPTS TO SCAM.  BE CAREFUL!

Yes 100 % agree, We should always prevention

I always do

I want to use your Escrow service. How can we proceed?

Hi i'm new to bitcoins.
i just came across this site and the term escrow keeps popping up.
can someone explain this or point me to a resource where i can learn more about this.
it is clear the fraud is possible with the BTC system, and as im a new user i dont want this to affect my sales
Thanks

Escrow/middleman is a party where they negotiates the two contracting parties. There are 3 circumstances.

1. Escrow accepts the payment of buyer and confirms it to the seller and the seller will commence/deliver the service/goods and when the buyer confirms the succession of transaction, the escrow finally transfer the payment of buyer.

2. Escrow accepts the goods of the seller and make the buyer send the payment to the seller and when the seller confirm that he received the payment, the escrow finally transfer the goods to the buyer.

3. Escrow accepts both payment and the good at the same time and when that happened, he will deliver the payment to the seller and the good to the buyer.

I know something about that, still waiting for my some of BTC bought a month ago, still no answer from the seller. I've bad experience with that - yes - but you not need to. So be careful and just use escrow.

It is always better to prevent something bad than doing something and it goes wrong, because now you have to worry about curing and dealing with the problem.
You should always think twice before doing something.

Cyrus is a grate guy and anyone can use him for escrow !

I agree with steamproject ! Cyrus is grate man !

Is it usual that the person who is doing escrow services take the fee from the seller or the buyer or simply from the person who engages him? And what are those fees like? Don't have experience with this but I might need escrow services soon.

Thanks for the escrow list

Escrow, people, I understand, I do not fit this system, it's like in Russia, Sistema Garant, 1-salesman, 2-buyer, 3-the guarantor, the same system as in escrow.
The essence of what I offer, gift package with Goodies, for yourself or loved ones, 100 $ or the rate is equal to bitcoin, these all need money, because I have no money to buy all the sweets from the shops of the city and especially to send her to another country by post, please tell me how to be, if not rated, there are a few people on Facebook who have ordered from me, these parcels have been paid, I sent them, they liked it, but to register on this server don't want to do do not understand. ???

 Total fees are paid by both parties in whatever percentages agreed or if one party agreed to pay everything. Those fees can be calculated.

You can check this out
https://www.escrow.com/support/fee-calculator?f=b&utm_expid=89371209-26.QAnT9xHaQXGv7iImT2IDxQ.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.escrow.com%2Fescrow-101%2Fhow-it-works-broker

Isn't it possible for a place having escrow services to scam as well?

I mean, I see many new threads being opened about someone that has a new escrow service and is promoting it..

Has anyone looked into the Joint Escrow feature from mycelium?  https://gear.mycelium.com/joint_escrow

Looks as though two parties could handle escrow by themselves.

That's why you should use the most trusted escrow that you can find. Someone such as OgNasty.
Their is a small chance they will scam, but let's it's much lower than if you do a deal with someone directly.

Yeah,because you will not be hired an escrow is you are not trusted. Anyone can be an escrow(self proclaimed) but we shouldn't trust anyone. And the advantage of hiring an escrow is that your transactions will be secured and there's a minimal risk of scamming. That is, if you hire the right escrow. So, in picking a certain escrow, you should vouch him/her first. Try to review its profile, or just simply look at the trust of the escrow. And from that you can have a smooth and secure transaction.

If a trading platform also has a review system then it's a double layers of reviews... review of the seller, and then review of escrow.  If the platform already has built in escrow review system would you bother looking at the vendor's review?

An escrow is a financial instrument held by a third party on behalf of the other two parties in a transaction. The funds are held by the escrow service until it receives the appropriate written or oral instructions or until obligations have been fulfilled. In order to prevent many different allegations that may cause to sued your bitcoin, I think bitcoin is also an escrow or third party financial instrument the proceed the transaction better use it wisely read all the cautions and carefully follow the rules  ;)

We are a valid and trustworthy escrow service provided by The Satoshi Marketplace.

Our bitcoin escrow process:
 1. Fill out the bitcoin escrow setup form.
 2. We create a multisig address requiring 2 signatures out of the buyer, seller and arbitrator.
 3. Buyer sends funds to this created multisig address.
 4. Seller ships the product and sends tracking code to buyer and arbitrator.
 5. We verify that shipping has occurred with tracking code provided by the seller.
 6. When the product arrives and buyer is fine with product, buyer and seller sign a tx sending funds to seller.
 7. If the product doesn’t arrive or buyer not happy with product and sends back product, arbitrator verifies these facts, and buyer and arbitrator sign a tx  sending funds to buyer.
 8. If the product arrives but buyer refuses to pay, mediator verifies this fact, and seller and mediator sign a tx sending funds to seller.

https://thesatoshimarketplace.com/escrow

Thanks
The Satoshi Marketplace Staff

How long does it take for someone to look at it?

Hi guys, looking for a trusted Escrow service that I can use.
Thanks

Some escrow do not required fee for them, escrow is very important especially if you are not sure on the seller.
There are lot of seller that are scammer

Ognasty is still working ? ???

Of course.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303281.0

Yes I agree.. there's a lot of scammers nowadays and it's proven even in bitcoin. Sometimes it's hard to trust some sites to invest with. Good thing that there's as escrow that somehow make us feel comfortable in doing transactions with bitcoin.

Thank You!

i just want to ask a question. do you have any list for a camaign or do you know any campaign for the newbies out there like me? hahaha thank you sir

what i think this  case is before anyone get his or her self involved in any businesses i guest they have to think two things  which  is the profit and losses of it or better still should have make some deposit in an escrow if there be any form of losses out break in so that one can fail back to that which is in escrow.

Well you're right an as a real newbe I missed your post and now I am trying to cure. I've just tried to buy from someone in this forum who looked respectful and is now not delivering as promised. Any suggestion on what should be done?
Thanks

Open a scam accusation -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Understand what you did wrong, do it better next time.

Using escrow will prevent potential scammers I totally supports any online transactions to follow due procees and am implore all the forum moderators to assist in preventing scammers

YA! its true that prevention is better than cure. In practicing anything new for the first it is a must to gather all the info regarding the same and be prepared for any sort of inappropriate to happen, b watchful ::)

Yes, don't blindly rush into a sale...Cross check and research anyone you're buying from or selling to. Don't be afraid to ask questions.

I just used philipma1957 as an escrow buying an S7 from Introvert. This is mt first deal on this forum and I must say that it is going VERY smooth! Both philipma1957 and introvert are very open and straightforward with what is happening so we all know where the deal stands and there are no doubts about who is doing what. Highly recommend philipma1957 as an escrow.

Thank you , i will Us only Escrow !!!!!!!!!!

where do i look for members who have scammed, and where do i post names of members who have scammed?
also how would i go about finding who they reallly are after i have sent payment already? like real name, address, location?
any help would be greatly appreciated

Hi all, i am looking for an escrow service for a low value item i am selling
$17.50 BTC can anyone offer a service or recommend one please?

Thats exactly what the problem is of the people at most of the forums , they dont know how to deal online and after they are scammed they blame the forum to have bad members and dont see what they are doing .

this!!

and remember there are accounts setup to look the same as an existing account (been done on me a few times) so take a few seconds to look at member details (join date/reputation/post history) to make sure its the right person/escrow.

also, this forum allows the selling of ANY accounts, make it a little harder to check if you're dealing with a sold account or not. is why I do not allow on my forum.

It is better to prevent than to cure. Nowadays, a lot of diseases spreading due to the different pollution. Not just a disease that need to prevent, we have to prevent also our finances and of course ourselves. We need to be watchful when it comes to this, for us not to fall to debt that might be hard to cure.

Agreed, escrow is better to prevent scam.

Thanks, that is really helpful post!

In order for us to avoid veing scammed, i do believe that escrow is a big help. as long as this person is trusted as well. the problem sometime is both parties are afraid to be scammed and even if both are trusted both ensures not to fall into scammers hand so better use a person whom both can trust, both and not just one side because escrow can also be the scammer. so beware!

Now a days I said to the clients to keep the money in escrow. It's safe and secure. cheap sex dolls (https://www.lovedollpalace.com/)

Now a days I said to the clients to keep the money in escrow. It's safe and secure

It is better and easier to stop a problem from happening than to stop it after it has started.

so mods don't charge for escrow service and it's more reliable than pax or blockchain escrow?

We charge, yes. 1% of the transaction amount, or 0.01 BTC, whichever is the greater. It is not usually moderators that escrow (in most cases), but users with loads of trade history and reputation, and are members that are generally trusted by the forum as a whole.

You will find that if you choose the right escrow person/team, your funds are always safe. Much safer than trading between individual users with little trust.

Please have a look at the link in my signature, "CET" is a team compromised of 4 members with a vast combined knowledge of Bitcoin/Altcoins, and escrowing physical and digital items.

By the way, there are other escrows out there on this forum, but nearly all will charge you a small fee of at least 1%.

Cheers :)

So I'm still technically a newbie as I don't post. I've been a long time observer here and I'll be setting up a low fee automated escrowing service.

For any who would like to use me as an escrow before the site goes live here are my fees:

0.5% (Minimum 0.01 btc) per transaction.
When the site is set up, the fee will be 1%, with 0.5% returned on a successful transaction which did not require mediation.
I belive with a little automation, we should be able to open up escrow to be used on almost any transaction. as 0.01 is now c.$30.

Thanks

I GOT SCAMMED EVERYONE FOLLOW THIS ADVICE, USE ESCROW YOU WILL BE GLAD YOU DID!!!

OGnasty has been compromised. After making many trades with him and establishing what I thought was rapport(i mean fuck I've given him $100 's maybe $1000's in escrow fees alone).

Instead of refunding my bitcoin after a deal goes stale he refunds it to coinbase. Maybe what you want is a pain in the ass to get your money back.

Find a different escrow.

Oi Felipe,

É um contrato que vc faz e vc praticamente deposita o dinheiro, ou as moedas, pra uma pessoa que tem tradição de gerenciar os negócios, respeitando a mutabilidade dos negócios, caso algo dê errado, ele sabe pra quem ele deve dar ou devolver o dinheiro.
Geralmente, escora não é muito garantido. Se é através de um portal como o Bitpanda, é seguro, pois é uma empresa com nome e tal... mas um indivíduo só pq tem uma boa reputação na comunidade não quer dizer nada... se fosse assim o Alibaba, seria o site mais confiável do mundo. Um amigo meu anos importando monitores e tvs da marca LG, teve um belo dia uma decepção, simplesmente a firma desapareceu, o contaminar sumiu e o dinheiro evaporou como se fala no português brasileiro...
Pra fazer uma boa negociação de Escrow tem que ser com firma jurídica que possua toda documentação em dia... somente assim eu confio... senão o negócio é pagar mais caro mesmo na mão dos atravessadores... que se vc analisar não é tão caro e é justo... pois estes têm o trabalho de ir lá... averiguar a máquina... trazer... pagar impostos... enfim... é complicado... o velho ditado "prevenir melhor do que remediar"

Prevention is better than cure. When it comes to our health, prevention is much better than cure. Several diseases and injuries are preventable, and can be managed much better if identified earlier on. It is common for people only to go to the doctor when they are feeling unwell.and if their in critical condition.that was a verry sad reality of the human beings..

If i want buy another btc account, what is the best way to prevent for scammers.
Of course escrow. But is it still possible that the seller recover his account?

Prevention is good. But, better yet twice a year to undergo routine medical examination.

When you make an offer on home, you will write an earnest money check that will be placed in “escrow.” That means it isn’t going directly to the seller but is being held by an impartial third party until you and the seller negotiate a contract and close the deal. You can’t touch it and the seller can’t touch it. It’s in escrow. So with this it make your money be in safe hand, which u can easily retrieve back if the saller or buyer change his/her mind, and also help in limiting online market fraud, use escrow is always a good ideal.

hi, anyone advise escrow for our project? I want to assure investors of the seriousness of his intentions :)

No body is above or beyond fraud they can trick who ever they want to trick, the only solution  to that is escrow which stand as third part in internet business, I advice all internet business dealers t make use of  escrow.

give me a link..)

In this world, many people are dying from various types of health related problems due to the lacking of appropriate health education and preventive actions. That is why a government should expend a huge amount of money from health budget for cure-related education as well as preventive measure. It is agreed that this policy has a great number of benefits and this will be proven by analysing economical point of view of a country and the health aspects of people.

Firstly, many regimes spend an enormous amount of money in order to treat their people who are suffering from different types of serious diseases. This extravagance can be easily diminished when state commences of healthcare educational system by spending money to the health teaching system. As an example, if the administration perceives to their slums that smoking, drinking, and so on is bad things for human body through this educational program, many people will be not attacked by the severe sickness. This could save a large amount of money of the state. As can be clearly seen from this illustration that the idea may bring colossal economic benefit to the government.

Secondly, many governments fight against several types of diseases, especially diabetes and the heart diseases. Before these health problems assault the people, it can be ceased by taking some preventive measure. For example, exercise, sports, entertainment etc. can decrease the chances to become these patients. Making parks, playground, and cinema hall can influence people to do exercise, which can protect the people from these intense sicknesses. This can be achieved by investing the money in preventive measures from health budget.

In conclusions, this idea is indispensable not only to the people but also to the governments. However, the tremendous amenities of this policy fortify my argument. Therefore, a government should spend money for health education and preventive measure from health budget.

Until further notice I feel safe with this training. In any case, despite everything I fear the collector. Nothing is protected truly. It's not a matter of if It's the point at which these locales will have something abused. I know the vast majority of these escrow administrations are not kidding about the work being finished. in any case, so where a huge amount of the trades, online wallets and buyback benefits that have lost some genuine cover up in the wake of being misused. I praise the endeavors and backers of escrow administrations for coin. It's a colossal stride the correct way of showcasing everybody at any rate sufficiently agreeable to exchange with the cash.

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Using escrow is a safe choice, however it's not without risk. Some accounts may have been hacked/bought/sold, which may lead to huge scams. It's better to rely on trusted traders, ones with great trust, etc. Using escrow may also cost you 1% off your total, which is usually paid by the borrower/buyer. It's just an extra pain. Just don't buy from untrusted members of Bitcointalk, there are plenty of senior members to buy/borrow from.

Im very glad that you totally shared this information to everybody, it gives me the idea that i will not be able to give my fully trust to anyone because ill be experiencing those people who scam later on.

I started my escrow services like a week ago. As I am strongly connected to NEM blockchain, doing talks, owning a youtube channel and being a public figure, I decided to create my service for people. For now buying/selling NEM ralated tokens was super risky. And in one week I made more than 1 BTC in trades, getting knowledge in every trade. I really think that escrow work isn't easy, you need to deal with people and be nice and of course your word need to be the most important thing.

In online trade they are many scams, which can cost all online trader hug lost and no body is above the standard of scam or harker, so to me I think the only way to avoid this is to always use escrow in any trade u do online, which stand as midman between d smaller and the buyer in online trade, and I have no rike at all.

I've heard it's always a good idea to get an escrow if you're working with people offshore, but I think it's a good idea whenever you're working with someone new. After all, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

As an online investor, I think is good to you an escrow and be free from online fraudstar which cause problem to online investor but with this escrow u are free free to do online transaction without fair. Get to you escrow in online business.

Thank you for the good willed advice ..

Indeed prevention is better than cure! And by disseminating the use of escrow, bitcoin users including me can avoid any fraud or scam. It was recently where I learned about escrow through reading post on services board which they use to regulate funds between the campaign manager and its members.

I have a silver 10btc Casascius physical bitcoin I will be selling and I keep seeing bad things about escrow services (done by individuals). Is there a true list of trusted people as I am now thinking twice about selling it. Can anyone at least be trusted or is there a physical escrow service that can be trusted?

Thanks for your insightful and scary rundown of just how real the scammers are. :'(

If you read the first post, you'll should have found a list of escrows. I've pasted the link for your convenience (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0).

I'm offering escrow services using an Ethereum Dapp, called EscrowMyEther: http://escrowmyether.com/


ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2221107.0


How it works

The buyer initiates an escrow transaction, specifying a seller and escrow agent. The smart contract locks the buyer's funds. Once the buyer receives the item, he can release funds to the seller.

In case of dispute, escrow agent can step in to refund the buyer, or release funds to seller. Seller can also refund the buyer at any time. When the transaction is complete, the seller or buyer (if refunded) can withdraw their funds. Escrow agent can withdraw their escrow fees.

The Dapp dashboard allows the buyer/seller/escrow to view and interact with their escrow transaction history. The Dapp's code is open source and runs from the blockchain. Here's the code: https://etherscan.io/address/0x1c02ce498dc6d0d6ef05a253e021258b07eeba91


Some screenshots

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/24837709/31051637-a88aaf66-a69f-11e7-863a-8cfe511f79fc.jpg
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/24837709/31051660-dcd812da-a6a0-11e7-90ac-59cfe0ab465d.jpg



Why it's secure

The smart contract locks the buyer's funds. The Escrow agent never touches the funds, he only has the ability to refund the buyer, or release funds to seller. Even in the rare scenario the escrow agent is compromised, the hacker can only refund/release funds, but cannot steal funds.


Try it out

If you offer escrow services too, you might want to check it out. The dashboard allows all escrowed transactions and their statuses to be easily viewed. Additionally, your intervention is only required when there's a dispute. For a normal transaction, the buyer releases funds himself and no action is required on your part, saving time and transaction costs.


Video guide: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLN7fp80Uh8Iwy0tI2jTU0A

Of course! Prevention is way better than a cure. It’s like sickness, why wait to have it when you can avoid having it. The same principles apply in the bitcoin community. Using escrow is a good safety precaution method to avoid those kinds of problems.

thanks for the info

Totally agree with this context right here, It is better to be train and ready for exposure of any source to depend on a cure.Ecrow always relates to many different things it just all depends.

Doing stuff online like buying things or such is such a risk because we know that scammers in the internet is everywhere. Many people are going to pool you just to get a few cents from you. So prevention is really better than a cute because in reality, we can’t just stop and make a solution in this kind of problem in the internet marketplace. You just need to know all the safety measures for you to not experience being scam by any. It is better if you would transact from people that you really know and make sure that you know all her legit details just in case she would pool you, you will know how you will get a hold of her or him. Being scammed is really a prominent in this cyberworld and you wouldn’t know when you would encounter such people so be better safe.

Hey!

What's a good escrow service which also has an affiliate marketing program?

Prevention is a better way for everybody for use not to transact any escrow Scammer, we need to be aware of any site that we can used. There has a lot of things to make us aware on that, one good example is training, if you are willing to be trained im sure your awareness for any in bad fate you will not need acure because you have a tools for any scam.

thanx for the information. This topic is really helpful to me, because there are lot of scammers now a days and don't have any idea about this, but is this escrow services of yours are free?

It is better and easier to stop a problem from happening than to stop it after it has started. That's why Escrow is created I think. A lot of people said that "it removing the risk from online transaction"

I understand the `escrow` procedure, my question is what is guarantee for the third part!

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Who know what mean by escrow? somebody can tell me.. ??? >:(

This looks legit. I am need of escrow service. Do you any1 who can vouch for u...any customer review. Just want to sure.

It is better and easier to stop a problem from happening than to stop it after it has started.

Indeed, prevention is better than cure. I believe on that saying and if I were to be a campaign manager in the future I will use escrow to have a secure of sending coins to other accounts without any worries in mind knowing that I have a secure financial instrument who can do transactions and processes for me.

Is the list outdated?
I'll probably need an escrow in the future. Thanks.

 ;D

When looking at the buying and selling thread (Ex.Account sales), the buyer always requests escrow from the seller.
Do you solve using this service?

May be worth doing a video example as it can be promoted as well as used as a tutorial.

Prevention is better than cure is the most powerful quote of this days. Why? because every human being is suffering from many deadly sicknesses. We as human we love doing things limitless there's a saying LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST. So how do we live our lives to the fullest if we are in near death? That's why we need to be 100% careful in our daily lifestyle. Before we eat? observe. Before we drink? think. Everything has its warning. Whatever we do have consequences.

Yes, they are a form of escrow, but you have to flat pay a fee. Other escrows have lesser fees since they are not a true marketplace.

nice info,
and they also have :
open source and bug bounty program For Developers
....mean it's quite safe and trusted

they just don't disclose managements behind it, in their website. ifaik
but I think it's ok, this service open source anyway

i'm feeling very good

yes i agree escrow should be mandatory in these sort of circumstances

whats "escrow" ??

I LOVE THIS TITLE SOUNDS LIKE A Safe sex commercial

Hi My Friend's , Please Tell Me What Is The Price For This escrow service!

This is a careful stament not a care free statement, Some people re waiting for you to b diligently in ur daily activities so they can convert ur struggling to benefit them from someone

With the rate of fraud we have online today, I think the ideal of escrow remain the best. Because with escrow you have zero per fear when running any transaction.

If payment has been made and the  buyer or seller dispute the trade for any reason, the 3rd party steps in and mediates the trade. This is why its important to send all messages through the escrow system.
1. Buyer/seller agree to the terms and conditions of each other
2. Buyer pays to the secured escrow account, the seller will be notified about the buyer's payment.
3. Seller sends bitcoin to escrow wallet. And verifies the details and quantity of bitcoin
4. Buyer receives the bitcoin from the escrow admin.
5. Seller receives his payment from the escrow admin

Thank you so much! I like it

Love this! :) Escrow is probably the goodness, and I'm sure that many people here thank you for promoting the use of a trusted third party with all these obvious and annoying scams in the marketplace.

Good Job....Escrow is the best thing to safeguard ourself in transactions of this era

I love this. Thanks for the info.

 that's right, but how to do it?

@Moderator, what assurance do we have that the escrows listed on your post are genuine and reliable for people like us that runs an eCommerce platform.

                 ALERT:  Transcrow.net  is a scam escrow service.

                 DO NOT USE THIS SERVICE!!!!!!

                 This service is operated under the following names,
                 email addresses, and telephone numbers listed here:

                   1) Jo Phujong.

                   2) Ollie Waggoner

                   3) marinemechanic70@gmail.com

                   4) jophujongchina@gmail.ch

                   5) Tel.# 1-936-213-8132

                   6) Tel.# 1-267-527-6904

                   7) Grundy Salazar

                   This is lowest of the low scammer who has posted
                   the escrow site:  transcrow.net   to scam buyers of
                   funds sent to the "escrow" site.

                    Please post this warning everywhere you can.

                    If any one has any knowledge of this seller and
                    escrow site, please contact me at:

                    flagmonitor1@gmail.com

   

I started my escrow services like a week ago. As I am strongly connected to NEM blockchain, doing talks, owning a youtube channel and being a public figure, I decided to create my service for people. For now buying/selling NEM ralated tokens was super risky. And in one week I made more than 1 BTC in trades, getting knowledge in every trade. I really think that escrow work isn't easy, you need to deal with people and be nice and of course your word need to be the most important thing.

true story bro

you can’t find a  risk less Bitcoin escrow websites. you will really find a scam...but some are true.However it  is not that reliable.
so it is much better to have a deep search and study of this escrow for u to find out..if they are a helper or a scammer.

I don't know much about how escrow works or even what would be the best way to learn about it. Does anyone have any recommended links? Or able to direct me to a good page on this site? Thank you

Hi everyone.

Escrow services have been an important part in constructing the bridge of trust between merchant and consumer, especially for high value transactions. There are many services available on and offline to people and businesses worldwide. In fact a large part of international trade utilizes escrow services for a very similar reason as you would want to use them here. Namely, as a safety net protecting the the buyer and guaranteeing he will receive what he purchased while the seller is guaranteed he will be paid.

I am actually working on a project that involves the development of an escrow service. We are approaching it one way but I am wondering what would you like to see in an escrow service from a website selling high value items? The items are within a marketplace and are of a single type, sorry i can not be more specific I am under NDA until we release our whitepaper to the public.

Would you prefer to have tenured members associated with the company and perhaps verify transactions?

Or perhaps would you prefer to have a company like escrow.com involved, whether as third party or as an endorsement of our companies service?

If you purchasing an item for $20,000USD what would make you feel the most secure?

Thanks ahead of time for your feedback!

I realize I'm a noob here so I have used my real name in case you wanted to see who I really am and what I do, which is just about a little of everything lol. My linkedIn @jdberkowitz will be updated soon with more details about this project including white paper and landing pages, when they are ready so I hope you'll follow my profile!

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I offer escrow services via the platform EscrowMyEther.com (http://escrowmyether.com/)

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18.9 Eth escrowed so far. My Escrow History:

Tx	Tx Initiated	Tx Status	Transaction Value (Ether)
7	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x4d8c05ee58eca3421bbb877460677e478577a73a4107d320cd49b50a1adeea28)	In progress	6.66 Eth
6	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xfe9139faf2c227d743d599259237ac6479d8267354145115a274a76534997ec8)	[FUND RELEASED] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe0d71609cfc640a0fabd09ee5c11cc2a956d71c7831dfda83bd82b35255c1343)	4.5 Eth
5	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe82e68978ed63a01ccd20f998ec20c7cc502fca2351c8c6de0705e6888f9fbdf)	[FUND RELEASED] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xbd362f84744f209473990959bcafd1cbb7529367c0babd32f409f08b257662ef)	2.5 Eth
4	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x791d0839f7f4b9d97bc5b032286111e8f372e0201db497b6965a4f6b2876e5de)	[FUND RELEASED] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe34538197da3b9d6705d5c9d9e437f085233688b9c8c7ae0deec7a25e5557a80)	2.4 Eth
3	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3439f3d377d23bc0d76da190a9a13bb3c46d997a0bbe53f6e707e05b92d25e6b)	[FUND RELEASED] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x355d5d573d114b1e2ceaa21f004b2e3080ae053bbb68ccbaab44b6837f32e045)	1.5 Eth
2	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xbfb2de9b13fa2faf59e9daf08f53d660c0dc8199b9d01acfa64b353b840671b0)	[FUND RELEASED] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x3107f43ffbd1b58e892668224f5fb2fa5702afecfbb38a0e58ca265f3978d743)	0.33 Eth
1	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2669f6945b08603edc099c64b6dc54db5730276e0c045fb91cf7dac291c50948)	[FUND RELEASED] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xbb09ac12d488fe32d3e4a634af402285f4091d1bbd93d90255a84e75dc949c8c)	0.01 Eth
0	[LINK] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb418e26dc936573cbbfd2ed9650617c7d6698c3485ef3f1f98a17d9769dd7559)	[Escrow Escalation] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9ba316792bcd6587b9891092eab7d2dd6971180d0b923445c851c572c6dc267d) [Refunded by Escrow] (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xf93dc6b1869b133128cfa75f5003004195d8ed24d2f5dc5ae7a76f0ae8de60d3)	1 Eth
		Total amount escrowed:	18.9 Ether

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Fine and ideally, 'Prevention is better than cure' is the wise saying which I strongly support on the issue of ESCROW. May I affirm at the same time that every business needs be done with adequate and extra ordinary caution, because 'He who failed to plan is definitely planning to fail'. On this forum, major and essential business/trading carried out is likely going to flaw or probably enter total loss without the use of Escrow.. Experience is the master teacher, it has occurred to me once where I out of patience PM an unknown agent and deal personally with him, I got all my coins swapped away just like that with nothing happened. Therefore, I thanked you so seriously coming out with this teachings and lesson that deals be done having Escrow as intermediary to play safe. Additionally, I also recommend well known and established Escrow, not minding the charges involved.

What are some good escrow services?

Better be carefull with every transaction to avoid being a victim of scammer☺️

what i need to do as a new buyer of crypto currency?i mean how should i remain safe?

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Hello, I'm new here and I'm planning to sell some graphic cards. Can I earn others' trust if I only accept payments via Paypal?

These is the best advice in this times, nerworks such as telegram or other where is possoble to chat with strangers are full of scammers and without a trustable escrow you should not make deal

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prevention is best for this forum to protect of any members.

Are there any record of escrow scam too?

I got two quick questions:

• Is it allowed to buy and take over another bitcointalk account?
• Where could I find a suitable escrow to take control of this transaction?

Many thanks for your advice!

Yes, read this thread: Master-P SCAMMER. I lost complete faith in this forum now. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.0)

You're allowed to do it but it's frowned upon by the community:

AFAIK, none of the reputable escrow providers handles such deals (just forget about it).

I have a friend who has been scammed 2 times and now makes transactions with people who do not know, it's time to learn, if you do not mind losing your money, go ahead. But for entrepreneurs like us, it is important to take all the forecasts and make transfers with trusted people, taking the trust as another preventive an escrow

Good...  Its better to be warned...  Prevention is better than cure

You're absolutely right! Any transactions with Escrow will give you peace of mind especially, nowadays that we are using Cryptocurrency on buying some properties and other products and services. Virtual transactions with Escrow is quite our assurance and protection.

This post is really important, people need to listen to it, Always use escrows when dealing with people online, if they refuse to deal with you using an escrow then you can be sure that you just dodged a bullet and won't be counting losses. I know a lot of people who escrows have saved from being scammed. They are important. Please protect the bitcoin community, trade wisely

Maybe we should change the original post in this thread to something more informative.
I didn't know what an "escrow" was when I signed up here. People will see "Please escrow" and won't know what it is.

Many problems can be completely prevented, but not many can be completely cured. Also, prevention is cheap and easy, but cure can be terribly expensive and painful. This is true in essentially all aspects of life.

I help people from time to time unmasking scammers, If you would like me to have a closer look at someone or a suspicious deal, then just let me know.

Trade with the Escrow is a safe trade.

Are there any good escrow services besides good old multisig?

exactly! Careful is always good, escrow trading is a good idea because transactions will be saved and those who want to cheat will not be able to run with the transaction amount.

There is wisdom in everything. Using a escrow will be good in any transaction. But everything we do is a risk in all our transactions. Gaining a trusted escrow will give peace to you. Learning whom you will trust in transacting is a test you must do and when you gain trusted people, you gain friends who are gems in the world of cryptocurrency.

Thanks for this information.

escrow is awesome wisdom. I recommend everyone to employ it in their transactions. For bitcoin to thrive, the scammers must be flushed out.

Thanks for this information.

In this industry trust is a must. I mean we should build each others trust so that we can transact better without any doubts and fears. Yet we need to be vigilant with scammers who want to take our hard earned money. We all sacrificed a lot just to build our own status in this forum so that we will have higher rankings and higher income so we need to protect that. As I research according to Wikipedia "An escrow is a contractual arrangement in which a third party receives and disburses money or documents for the primary transacting parties, with the disbursement dependent on conditions agreed to by the transacting parties, or an account established by a broker for holding funds on behalf of the broker's principal or some other person until the consummation or termination of a transaction; or, a trust account held in the borrower's name to pay obligations such as property taxes and insurance premiums. The word derives from the Old French word escroue, meaning a scrap of paper or a scroll of parchment; this indicated the deed that a third party held until a transaction was completed."
When it comes to protecting our transaction specially in selling our accounts I must say that we need to escrow.

Escrow services offer protection against potential scams. Personally, I dont trade without escrow services, even with the services some still try to swindle others.  please lets be safe and always use an escrow.

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Ugh! I just fell prey to this mistake in the last few weeks. Bought used miners from an unknown person (mistake #1) and paid in bitcoin without escrow (mistake #2). Do you know anyone that has had success tracking down people they have sent money to? I know it's unlikely I'll be able to get the bitcoin back from them, but it would bring me great joy to figure out who it is. I recently heard about a "bitcoin hunter" on a podcast that specializes in tracking bitcoin addresses to identities so I'll also reach out to them.

Help if you can and I will stop doing business without a escrow mediator.

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Because of the evolution of technology , some people using their talents to fool. Investors must be keen observant not to trust easily. It is necessary to escrow every transaction to prevent scammers around the thread.

Add YoutubeTV to the list of scammers.

Scammer profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1546016

And If u read this I hope u use the money well, otherwise aside from committing a crime u are also wasting ur time.

May you find the right path~

This is great. thanks for the heads up!

Thanks for this article

Thanks for explaining escrow service.

Thanks!

Better not allow before the disease. Therefore, prevention is better.

BTC zu verkaufen mit Escrow und Treuhandservice

BTC for sale with escrow and escrow service

 good very very goodd

It is better to stop something bad from happening than to deal with it after it has happened. Please escrow. When you escrow,a contractual arrangement is meet. A third party receives and disburses money for the primary transacting parties, with the disbursement dependent on conditions agreed to by the transacting parties, until the termination of a transaction.
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I've heard it's always a good idea to get an escrow if you're working with people offshore, but I think it's a good idea whenever you're working with someone new. After all, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

its true i was once deceived by this known bitcoin site and spend much of my time trying to earn a bitcoin but unfortunately i did earn thru tasking but up to now they haven't paid me as i learn later thru one of my friends its a scam.......so he guide me now to this site and i'm now starting learn a lot......thanks to my friend.......

That crypto exchange is mathematically cool. Say Alice sold Bob plasma tv. She got proof of postage. Bob claims he got cardboard sheets in the box instead of TV. What is Eddie going to do?  Goods and services' indisputable proof of completed transaction is not there Cheesy I say use common sense. If its normally looking internet shop, with paypal, etc they are unlikely to scam you out of say 50 usd worth of btc Cheesy If its gumtree of Craigslist ad you might want to ask seller to confirm his id via Facebook Smiley And if seller wishes to remain anon well then otc web of trust or SR feedback Smiley

first, we need to know who are the person or the third party well before we go through and having transaction with them creating deals with people we know is good to be more sufficient for the transaction we made😊

The problem with this is not many people know many people here, the escrow people, are people that have gained trust through time and tested deals, unfortunately there has to be some trust in the escrower, as there is no guarantee they will run off too.
The best thing to do is do a video unboxing, showing all labels and tickets in one take, when you show this to the escrow person, they have to side with you, unless the footage is edited or unclear.

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Escrow is a very good idea when it comes to buying and selling with 100% trustworthyness

It is so basic like when you know it is rainy season and you are suppose to either take the umbrella or jacket to protect your self form getting wet in the same way escrow service is that much important to be safeguarded against the scam and fraud happening around. If it is your friend whom you know then you can directly deal it else never deal without escrow.

Great suggestion, thanks for the heads up. l guess the important question/issue is how to find an escrow. How do you verify their track record and commitment. Giving out credibility points for every successful transaction/a rating system will certainly help

Well your post gives the impression you read the OP...

Maybe go back and look again, as the list is right there in a hyperlink "An escrow list"

You will find all you need there

IS trading with the Escrow a safe trade? and can i have good fee and rate here?

Not always (make sure to always do a background check and don't choose every single user that offers his/her escrow services).

You can but remember this: "You get what you pay for".

I prefer the use of escrow of websites than using individuals to trade.

Hallo maf ni saya pemula.saya mau tanya apakan escrow???
Lalu cara kerja escrow itu seperti apa.

Tottally agree! That is no excuse for complacency: prevention will always remain a better course of action than cure.  ;)

Prevention is better than cure very well said I don’t know why I don’t think before buying coins and invested by taking loan and now i am under debt. I don’t know will i be able to ecover my amount ..

Totally agree i did get burnt then i started using escrow better to be safe then sorry. I used gebepay

Yes normally its 1% fees to the seller and nothing for the buyer. I use gebepay

How do I contact gebepay

Hello !
I've seen enough scams happening without the use of escrow.
I know most of these escrow services are serious about the work being done. but so wher a ton of the exchanges
Good luck !

 Correct!!! better to prevent than a cure... because we don't know what would happen, we can only to think and predict what would happen... but sometimes in life... not all that we plan, can go according to what we expect. So the best thigs we can do is be prepare for anything, because regret is always at the end

Its www.gebepay.com the email is info@gebepay.com
But I didnt email them i just setup a transaction on their website between me and the Seller.

Escrow groups helps to provides a safe way to transact online although as with all online financial transactions, there are several risks you need to be aware about, and precautionary measures you can take to ensure your safety online
Escrow groups verifies delivery of merchandise to the Buyer via the online  that the Seller provides

I used Gebepay as well. you can simply just go on their website and register, works like paypal but for cryptocurrency. Pretty good.

I find it good for everyone and anyone should have a personal escrow account for themselves to avoid being scammed during the sale. Prevention is better than cure. It's a good option for every person

This can be considered the smartest tactics. It does not affect anyone and is independent of itself. All decisions are in the individual elements. They have their own decisions, but the community is advised to be careful. There are still many difficulties that need to be overcome. Especially related to finance.

this is good to everyone,but being scammed is a choice so be observant to everyone and to people who are horrible,be wise so that you can avoid those scammer

I agree, escrow is one of the safest ways to work

Ensure it's a reliable escrow service, scammers has are getting smarter.

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Why is escrow such a big discussion here? I see a few problems with it and therefore did not implement escrow in my online store. My biggest problem is that I don’t know what to do with the payment upon escrow’s expiration. Once I place payment in escrow,  it becomes buyer’s responsibility to go back to the store where goods were purchased and acknowledge the receipt of the goods so that payment could be released to the seller. When I buy things online, I rarely acknowledge their receipt, partially because I know that a lengthy survey about customer experience will be waiting for me right after I acknowledge the receipt. So what shall I do on my web site when buyer simply didn’t bother to acknowledge receipt of the items? Shall I release payment to the seller anyway? What if courier service has gone on strike and buyer has not received the items upon escrow’s expiration? Should seller receive the payment in this case? In all scenarios that I can think of the only case when payment should be returned to buyer is when seller doesn’t ship the goods. In all other cases escrow is merely a delay.

My second question is why this discussion implies that escrow is a third party business, like a paypal? I use Ethereum to facilitate payments on my web site. To disburse payments among sellers of items from a buyer’s cart I prepare a contract and upload it onto Ethereum network. That contract is perfectly capable of holding payments until buyer acknowledges receipt of the items acting as an escrow. Therefore I do not see a need for a business entity to provide such service.

Much has changed since the creation of this discussion. escrow why so much attention ??

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100% escrow. Totally safe and reliable, plus a ready made audit trail.
Our site https://fabric-direct.co.uk (https://fabric-direct.co.uk) only uses sagepay, not even paypal anymore - too buggy with disputes taking ages to resolve.

^This right here. I experienced this first hand with a fake escrow. Thankfully it was just a few dollars.

I tried buying there, but payment methods do not work and they do not reply to mails. Don't waste your time there.

Traders should also beware of people pretending to be someone else. Many people have been scammed because they traded with the wrong person, this is very common on Telegram now. Some pretend to be admins and ask you to send a token, most genuine admins would not ask for your tokens. Please let us be alert and trade carefully.

Hey guys! I’m sorry if I posted wrongly.

Does anyone bought something from this site or know anything about them https://rp9mining.com/ ? They have pretty good prices and I don’t know if they are legit or scam, haven’t found much about them.

The appropriate board is "Service Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0)".

I did a little digging and looks like they have fake reviews on their website + they're quite new on this field ^{[I wouldn't trust them, stay away]}...


Here's a fake review prior to the creation date of their website: FusionSilicon X7+ fake review ^{[December 25, 2017]} (https://i.imgur.com/OXzySxl.jpg)
^{- I'm sure there's more...}

I think there is a simple way around this with the market maturing. A couple of financial service providers now issue a Visa or Mastercard directly linked to your Bitcoin holding. I have one from ClariumCard.com which I use everywhere, and any pruchases I make reduce my bitcoin balance in real time. Eliminates falling prey to scammers who steal your coins.

In my opinion an Escrow feature is on of the safest feature you can employ if you are trading with someone over a considerable distance you are not acquainted to. Escrow features have saved the day many times for me. A useful tip would be for you to research on how long the escrow platform has existed and if there have been any record of people getting compromised on that platform. Secondly, I would also recommend the escrow platform has an attach screenshot feature so that when transfers are made, proofs can be attached for all parties involved to see before digital assets are released.
Happy Trading!

Yes. It is best to do this for the safety of funds

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Hi Guys,

Be very careful of a new forum member on here named "YCTMatt". He has photos of some friend he has in China with miners, but is a scam. Several folks have sent him BTC for miners and got nothing in return except for fake tracking numbers. Mods need to do something about this ASAP. He also locks the thread so no one can respond in his thread. Buyer beware guys! Buyer Beware

I'm going to "temporarily" leave a negative rating on YCTMatt, but if you're in contact with other buyers, tell them to create a thread on the "Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0)" board and include all of the necessary information ^{[e.g. I've seen one of them has included a Tx link, but there's no proof it belongs to the user in question]} together with a "Trust flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153344.0)", so we can support it.

Unfortunately, they can't do anything since such things aren't moderated in this forum:

• Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 05:27:51 PM
  19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).
  ~Snipped~
  Q: Why haven't you banned <insert scammer username here> who is an obvious scammer?
  A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.
  

Mad respect for raisin awareness about scams and all. If even a couple of people  listen up and start usin' escrow, you've done a stellar job bro!  8)

Prevention is indeed better than cure.its always more effective and efficient to take proactive measures to prevent problems before they arise, rather than dealing with the consequences later.
Taking preventive actions can save us a lot from time, efforts,and resources in the long run.

Well said by OP, it is better to be safe than sorry!


These days, one can not tell who is what and who is capable of what and in this industry where pseudo-anonymousity is the order of the day, it is important to safeguard your asset and resources in the cause of any transaction.

People tend to appeal to your emotions and at the end of the day it becomes a goose chase. When it comes to money and transactions within this forum or another, ensure escrow is employed but you also have to be careful about whose escrow service is been used.

The escrow service must be trust worthy and reliable also as men have also taken that line of scam in the quest for making money.

Thank you so much for your update and advise as well,but I still need if you can still break it down for us the newbies so that we can understand it better and avoid being a victim of this scammers, because we the newbies are still finding it difficult to participate in this crypto currency transaction, please if you can enlightening us more and make it more easy for us to understand your point on how to go about it to avoid being a victim of the scammers please.. thank you once again..

Thank you so much for your advise and update, well like we all know that alot is happening in the world especially in the social media, I don't think I will be wise for one to say that he or she trusts anyone on the social media, especially the once you don't even know talk less of knowing their location and you engage yourself with them in the business of crypto currency exchange without inviting escrow,who ever that does anything here on the social media without including the escrow are at his or her own risky and you will have no one to blame after,,so for me I will never advise anyone to have any transactions here without the help of escrow it's the best ever and very secure, for me I don't think there's anything that will make me not to involved escrow in all my transactions,..

Thanks for sharing this information to us and enlightening us to be aware of scammer and internet thieves the use of escrow in transactions online will greatly reduce scams online
A third party being there will bring a level of confidence and trust thereby reducing scam

Fine and ideally, 'Prevention is better than cure' is the wise saying which I strongly support on the issue of ESCROW. May I affirm at the same time that every business needs be done with adequate and extra ordinary caution, because 'He who failed to plan is definitely planning to fail'. On this forum, major and essential business/trading carried out is likely going to flaw or probably enter total loss without the use of Escrow.. Experience is the master teacher, it has occurred to me once where I out of patience PM an unknown agent and deal personally with him, I got all my coins swapped away just like that with nothing happened. Therefore, I thanked you so seriously coming out with this teachings and lesson that deals be done having Escrow as intermediary to play safe. Additionally, I also recommend well known and established Escrow, not minding the charges involved. ::) ::) ::)