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Title: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: mizerydearia on October 04, 2010, 12:02:34 AM
Feel free to offer your suggestions/ideas. ^true (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6AQOd09aHlm2cM:http://www.chrisamasters.com/crackpotology-pinky-brain.jpg&t=1)^  Perhaps additionally use imagery (worth 1,000 words) or animation/video if you're creative. ^goal (http://opensourcebridge.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/world-domination.jpg)^

Note: There are two almost identical emoticons in this post.  Can you spot them?


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: joe on October 04, 2010, 07:30:08 AM
Feel free to offer your suggestions/ideas. ^true (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6AQOd09aHlm2cM:http://www.chrisamasters.com/crackpotology-pinky-brain.jpg&t=1)^  Perhaps additionally use imagery (worth 1,000 words) or animation/video if you're creative. ^goal (http://opensourcebridge.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/world-domination.jpg)^

Note: There are two almost identical emoticons in this post.  Can you spot them?
I think so,

^true (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6AQOd09aHlm2cM:http://www.chrisamasters.com/crackpotology-pinky-brain.jpg&t=1)^ and ^goal (http://opensourcebridge.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/world-domination.jpg)^

Am I right? What do I win?


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Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: ribuck on October 04, 2010, 09:21:38 AM
True goal of satoshi is to get people to speculate what true goal of satoshi is.

Seriously, some people might find it fun to speculate but it's not relevant to anything. The code is open source and we know that (with one exception) there is nothing in there that treats satoshi differently from anyone else. The one exception is that only satoshi can sign the "update available" message for the standard client, but that's no big deal.

So everyone should just look at whether bitcoin works for them, and not worry about how it works for anyone else.

I don't think satoshi has any kind of evil plan, because evil people have much easier ways to get what they want than to do something that's an intellectual master feat. And even if satoshi was evil personified, it wouldn't make any difference. It's the protocol you need to look at, not the personalities.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: hugolp on October 04, 2010, 10:20:30 AM
World domination.

And he has promise me Ill be the second in charge. Muhahahahahaaaaa!!!!


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: LZ on October 04, 2010, 11:47:20 AM
Am I right? What do I win?
You are not right.

Maybe . ^ and . ^?


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: theymos on October 04, 2010, 03:44:57 PM
The Bitcoin genesis block contains a newspaper headline, which is supposed to anchor the start of the chain in real time. The choice of headline gives some insight into the project's purpose, I think:
Quote
The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 04, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
It may sound presomptuous but I think I have quite an accurate idea of what Satoshi's goal is.

I've been thinking about digital money for quite some time now.  At least two years.  First it was because I was curious about the main theoretical problem :  what is the best way to send money through internet ?  Why can't we send money via email ?   Then it was because I was disgusted by the banking oligarchy and the "too big to fail".   While I was imaging the concept, I came to the conclusion that one should use asymetric key pairs to indentify every single monetary unit, and that the knowledge of a private key would equal the ownership of the associated monetary unit.  I couldn't find a way to get out of the centralized server concept, though. 

When I red Satoshi's white paper, it kind of freed my mind from this reflexion theme.  Now I don't have to think about it anymore, since Satoshi has found the solution with his very clever decentralized time server idea.  The fact that Satoshi's idea is exactly what I was looking for, makes me think he had the same initial goal :  creating an efficient and rational way to transfer value on internet.

Is there any political/activist intent from him ?  I don't know.  As far as I'm concerned, I'm a very liberal person and an enthousiast supporter of free market and individual freedom.  I guess Satoshi is too, but I can't speak for him, obviously.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: MoonShadow on October 04, 2010, 07:01:11 PM
Feel free to offer your suggestions/ideas. ^true (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6AQOd09aHlm2cM:http://www.chrisamasters.com/crackpotology-pinky-brain.jpg&t=1)^  Perhaps additionally use imagery (worth 1,000 words) or animation/video if you're creative. ^goal (http://opensourcebridge.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/world-domination.jpg)^

Note: There are two almost identical emoticons in this post.  Can you spot them?

Sure...

^true (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6AQOd09aHlm2cM:http://www.chrisamasters.com/crackpotology-pinky-brain.jpg&t=1)^  and  ^goal (http://opensourcebridge.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/world-domination.jpg)^

But why use two different, but otherwise identical, image urls to write an emoticon?


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: S3052 on October 04, 2010, 07:24:33 PM
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why don't you comment?
We are soooooooooooooooooooooooo curious!


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2010, 11:48:09 PM
     Governments and bankers want to create a cashless system where all your money goes to them and you use a debit card to spend the little bit they decide to give you after they take tax and fees out. This also means they can track everything you ever buy down to the smallest purchase. It also means control in that if you disobey they can cut you off and you cant participate in the economy. Bitcoin puts the control back in the hands of the people where it belongs. I dont know what Satoshi's purpose is but anything that removes the potential of the first scenario cant be too bad in my books.

     


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: kiba on October 05, 2010, 06:07:13 PM
Maybe we should just ask Satoshi why he did it. ;)


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 05, 2010, 06:12:45 PM
Maybe we should just ask Satoshi why he did it. ;)

I also think he did it in order to rule the world, as any nerd secretly plans to.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: nelisky on October 05, 2010, 06:13:06 PM
Maybe we should just ask Satoshi why he did it. ;)

I do not know Satoshi or what type or person he is. Heck, I don't even know if he is a person :) I do believe that at the very least he has that sarcastic smile (if his physical existence, having on, so allows) every time he reads about how he's out to save the world from the bad guys or rather out to be the baddest of these guys.

In his position, I would milk this to the limit, and would hold back on responding for as long as there were witty remarks. Even better, leave that to be answered on his autobiography, which you will only be able to buy using bitcoins.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: The Madhatter on October 05, 2010, 08:21:36 PM
The more I think about Satoshi, the more I think his name is an alias.

Someone smart enough to develop Bitcoin wouldn't be stupid enough to put his real name on it. No judgments here. I would probably do the exact same thing. :)

For those of you who assume he lives in Japan; he could be anywhere in the world. I'd like to know how this assumption was made. :P


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 05, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
In his position, I would milk this to the limit, and would hold back on responding for as long as there were witty remarks. Even better, leave that to be answered on his autobiography, which you will only be able to buy using bitcoins.

A Satoshi's biography would certainly be a best seller in the bitcoin community.  And it would be a nice experiment for my model of selling information using bitcoins (see http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1344.0)

He could sell his bio for 100BTC a paragraph, for instance :)



Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 05, 2010, 09:01:20 PM
The more I think about Satoshi, the more I think his name is an alias.

Someone smart enough to develop Bitcoin wouldn't be stupid enough to put his real name on it. No judgments here. I would probably do the exact same thing. :)

On the contrary I very much think it's his real name.

However smart you are, it's pretty difficult to immediately realise how smart are the things you make when you make them.  Satoshi used this name "Satoshi Nakamoto", from the very beginning.  I doubt it was an alias.  He wouldn't have picked such a rather boring alias, anyway.  He would have chosen some cultural reference of some sort.  Not a plain common japanese name.

I also think he's japanese, even if he probably lives in US.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: S3052 on October 05, 2010, 09:31:51 PM
on the other hand, unless he has not read any of this thread, he should reply here and say what the truth is.

If he doesn't it's scary.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 05, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
on the other hand, unless he has not read any of this thread, he should reply here and say what the truth is.

If he doesn't it's scary.

Yeah he's actually the antechrist, coming on earth to bring us the evil numbers.

Isn't there a part in the apocalypse, where humans will use numbers as money and will thus be enslaved by the beast ?

I'm just kidding, don't worry.  I don't believe in those stuffs.
:)


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: The Madhatter on October 05, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
I disagree. If you were trying to hide you would choose the most common name available.

I doubt it was an alias.  He wouldn't have picked such a rather boring alias, anyway.  He would have chosen some cultural reference of some sort.  Not a plain common japanese name.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: S3052 on October 05, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
found Satoshi:
its a she!  ;D

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search)



Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: kiba on October 05, 2010, 10:10:29 PM
found Satoshi:
its a she!  ;D

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search)



The gender say it's a male.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: kiba on October 05, 2010, 10:11:31 PM
I disagree. If you were trying to hide you would choose the most common name available.

I doubt it was an alias.  He wouldn't have picked such a rather boring alias, anyway.  He would have chosen some cultural reference of some sort.  Not a plain common japanese name.


Razor Theorem say that it's his real name. His life are probably typical of that of an average hacker.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: S3052 on October 05, 2010, 10:14:33 PM
found Satoshi:
its a she!  ;D

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search)



The gender say it's a male.

ups.. just looked at the photo and it looked like  a woman..


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: kiba on October 05, 2010, 10:19:46 PM
found Satoshi:
its a she!  ;D

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000511382377&ref=search)



The gender say it's a male.

ups.. just looked at the photo and it looked like  a woman..

There are like 4 Satoshi Nakamoto on facebook, yo! There are nothing to connect even one of them to Satoshi of bitcoin fame!


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: S3052 on October 05, 2010, 10:21:31 PM
thats what I think, too...

it's strange that you don't find Satoshi on any popular social media site. if he'd be a known hacker or computer freak / specialist, you'd be able to find him nowadays in the internet


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 05, 2010, 10:27:20 PM
thats what I think, too...

it's strange that you don't find Satoshi on any popular social media site. if he'd be a known hacker or computer freak / specialist, you'd be able to find him nowadays in the internet

I can't beleive we're having such a conversation about someone who is notoriously on this very same forum !


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: MoonShadow on October 05, 2010, 10:44:04 PM
thats what I think, too...

it's strange that you don't find Satoshi on any popular social media site. if he'd be a known hacker or computer freak / specialist, you'd be able to find him nowadays in the internet

I can't beleive we're having such a conversation about someone who is notoriously on this very same forum !


Probably because everyone on this thread is more interested in the fun in mystery than the high possibility of an anti-climatic reality, so no one has bothered to PM him about this thread.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 05, 2010, 11:44:00 PM
Probably because everyone on this thread is more interested in the fun in mystery than the high possibility of an anti-climatic reality, so no one has bothered to PM him about this thread.

Very true.  :)


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: LZ on October 18, 2010, 06:45:13 PM
Isn't there a part in the apocalypse, where humans will use numbers as money and will thus be enslaved by the beast ?
No, humans will use things with number 666. And they do it actually now. Explore bar codes.

if he'd be a known hacker or computer freak / specialist, you'd be able to find him nowadays in the internet
Why he should not use nicknames in other projects?

ups.. just looked at the photo and it looked like  a woman..
I see you're not familiar with modern Japanese culture. Look Japanese clips, they all look so.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: kiba on October 21, 2010, 12:56:27 PM
Satoshi is like a taoist master who make everything run smoothly by not being too involved in the affair of the bitcoin economy.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on October 22, 2010, 11:44:47 AM
Two other questions :

Considering that it's very likely that keynesianism oriented people will try to modify the protocol in the future, how confident are you that there will never be more than 21 MBTC ?

Also, do you think the current block chain will be the definitive one ?


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: xxmalouinxx on October 25, 2010, 01:00:01 AM

Also, do you think the current block chain will be the definitive one ?


Good question, because officially, bitcoin is in "beta development stage".


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on October 25, 2010, 07:50:47 AM
thats what I think, too...

it's strange that you don't find Satoshi on any popular social media site. if he'd be a known hacker or computer freak / specialist, you'd be able to find him nowadays in the internet

That is actually quite normal for a hacker/specialist.

I also try to keep away from any social-oriented sites, because they do great harm to one's privacy.
Most of normal people don't realize what these sites are doing to them, so they don't care. People who know how stuff works much often avoid such risks.

I am doing that myself, and many of my colleagues which are IT specialists do the same. What is put into internet just once, stays there forever.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: MoonShadow on October 25, 2010, 03:09:45 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much why it would prove difficult to figure out who I am as well.  I take my privacy seriously, because I have some extra-ordinary reasons to do so.

Don't ask.


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: grondilu on November 10, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
An other hint concerning Satoshi's goal.

Have you seen the timestamp for the Genesis block ??

extract from main.cpp :

Code:
const char* pszTimestamp = "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks";

Seems quite clear to me that Satoshi was angry about the "too big to fail".


Title: Re: True Goal of Satoshi
Post by: just a man on December 28, 2010, 01:45:31 AM
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