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Please try and help me out by pushing this raw tx if you can:


If I can't get it back via a doublespend then I hope that if the lucky miner is one of the major pools then they would consider making a generous donation to the CIYAM Project (as otherwise that is 100 BTC less I will have to pay people for tasks).

https://blockchain.info/pushtx

Wow thats a lot of BTC. Sorry for your loss. Raw transactions are dangerous.

I won't let me send it (it has already seen it) - 2 confirmations now so too late for that attempt:

Block #215936 (BTC Guild) - is there someone on Bitcointalk that is a contact for them?

Get eleuthria here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=9119
He's a great guy, and I'm sure he can offer you help.

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=btcguild&nick=ciyam

eleuthria's active there now if you want to forgo PMs.

Just confirm it's safe to do so and I can send 101 BTC back to the originating address.  Unfortunately a bit does get eaten up because PPLNS users on the pool are paid transaction fees (but only a minor percentage of users take part in PPLNS).

1ciyam3htJit1feGa26p2wQ4aw6KFTejU is the originating address.

That would be wonderful of you (losing 10 BTC is at least much better than losing 111 BTC).

I've sent a PM with a message and signature to prove I own it.

102 BTC returned in this transaction: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/42579467/4a0fe8cb78b19778a49d171642649c9ee25453ed206894c88b049d0ee7939a0f

I'd highly recommend not creating raw transactions in the future unless absolutely necessary :).  $1,500 is a pretty risky mistake if it didn't land on a known pool wallet/IP.

Very much appreciated - although I've been doing raw tx's without a problem for weeks I guess the exhaustion of working over 12 hours per day for the last week has clearly taken its toll.

I will certainly be "ultra-cautious" with all future raw tx's.

This was an example of a chargeback I am perfectly comfortable with... :)  Glad it got worked out!

Good guy eleuthria.

I'm glad I'm mining for BTCGuild  :)

We all remember the case of bulanula (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483.msg841913#msg841913) and more recently for BitcoinStore (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131678.0)

In both cases, someone mistakenly sent extra BTC to the alleged scammer. The sender obviously has full responsibility of the mistaken transaction. The alleged scammer then refused to return the BTC to the sender.

This case is similar, the only difference is that the receiver is unknown before the block is miner.

My questions are:

1. If the miner was found and refused to return the money, would he/she be labelled as scammer?

2. In this case, do those PPLNS users have the responsibility to return the extra earning?

3. If I mistakenly sent money to a donation address of someone, is he/she obliged to return to me?

I would say no.

They can for the sake of good will, but they wouldn't be responsible to do so.

No, because it was a donation.

In the BitcoinStore case, a scammer tag was never given, so I can't say for sure what would have happened there, but even with that there was a huge difference between that issue and the bulanula issue.

With bulanula, the overage was sent as part of a business transaction that was both already expected and negotiated prior to the transaction. Because of that, it was absolutely clear that a typo had been made when the amount that was sent was 10x what was expected. In addition, the sender was able to prove that they were the same person who negotiated the transaction.

With BitcoinStore, the additional transaction came later after the original agreement was settled. Because of this, there is no clear indicator that the amount was a typo, since no balance had been owed for over 22 hours. At that point, the receiver very well might have used the address for another purpose since nothing more was expected to arrive regarding the negotiated transaction. One such purpose may have been as a donation address. And that's where this story gets even weaker, because this was actually an address that BitcoinStore gave to someone else to pay to, meaning that they have no easy way to prove that they own the address and that what they said actually may have happened.

Would you see paying transaction fee is also a type of business transaction: I pay you fee, and you confirm my transaction. 111BTC is obviously a 222000x overpayment of the commonly agreed default 0.0005BTC fee.

Wrong adress, wrong number, wrong whatever....

if you do that with bitcoin your only hope is that someone nice got it.

double check small transactions
triple check big transactions

LOL.

Did you see guys? And that's the way someone, very politely, could launder 101 tainted coins only paying 10 BTC for it.

Just kidding. You were very lucky P2pool or mistery miner didn't get it

Yes indeed and also if I hadn't managed to get most of it back I think my wife would have been about ready to throw my computer out the window. ;D

Happily noticed..
Way to go!

Ente

The same for cash and most fungible property like gold (bitcoin is fungible property, too)

AFAIK, mtred also pays tx fee to miners

Does such double spend attempt ever work? As I know, most full nodes see transaction within seconds, and refuse any conflicting incoming transaction. It won't push or relay unless the code is modified.

I only tried double spend once. I sent a low priority tx without enough fee and got no confirmation after 24 hours. I resubmitted with higher fee and then got confirmed. However, you case is the opposite: trying to replace a higher fee tx with a low fee one.

Yup - probably a stupid idea also (when you panic - you panic) - am *so* grateful that I lucked upon being mined by a pool such as BTC Guild (my appreciation will never be forgotten - nor my understanding about how "sendrawtransaction" works).

Or he can "solve" the error trying to prioritize another transaction but with 150 BTC as a fee instead. LOL. That would be insane.

You have paid the highest tx fee in USD ( http://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees-usd?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= ), and I am sure this record will be broken.

It's better if the Satoshi client has a soft, adjustable upper limit for tx fee. The client will refuse to push if the fee is too high. A default of 0.5BTC is more than enough.

In the not very remote future, when it hits $1400/BTC (100x of today's), you may donate 1 BTC back to them

I'm trying to create a raw transaction with the client-qt in windows with the console window, but it doesn't work. I can decode raw transaction, sign it, but not create it.

Same :)

What a "raw transaction" is I may never know.

It is a transaction in the actual form it exists as it is relayed through the network.  When you use a client (Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, Multibit, blockchain.info, etc) and create a transaction to send bitcoins, the client lets you enter the necessary information in a format that is easy for humans (destination address, quantity of bitcoins, etc).  Then the client converts this information into a "raw transaction" and sends it to all connected peers.

If you want to create a transaction that you can't using your chosen client (perhaps send a big transaction without a fee?), then you can use any other tool you like to create the proper sequence of bytes to represent your transaction, and then using the appropriate RPC call, push this "raw transaction" out to all connected peers.  In that way you can create transactions that the typical client wallets otherwise wouldn't let you.

Nice to see there are honest people out there still  :)

Dude, you wee lucky enough to hit 5% of the honest BTC arena players. Go get something to drink, this is rare event.. The rest are busy screwing up everything else..

About a year ago I started mining on a pool operated by a person I thought was honest. I'm now glad for two reasons:
- he is still honest and proves it every time
- I'm still mining on that same pool

:)

I made this same mistake recently and lost 0.68BTC to 50BTC as a tx fee.  I'm happy to report that they were nice enough to refund it to me!  I'm glad the operators of some of the bigger pools are actually honest business owners.

looks like it happened to someone again, 94 BTC fee  :-\

http://blockchain.info/tx/13dffdaef097881acfe9bdb5e6338192242d80161ffec264ee61cf23bc9a1164

ouch. Thats 180 gh/s worth of asics at $40/btc

at least 50+% of the mining network composes of btcguild, ozcoin, slush etc (IE great guys who won't LOL in your face and take your coins)

Ouch - well I do feel for whoever it was and wonder if they'll come forward to report it (am certainly glad that I did when it happened to me)?

The fee went to Eligius. Luke-Jr reports that has a deal with his hosting provider, which is apparently MtGox, to share fees; so he has some negotiating to before he can even think about giving this one back. (Also, I don't think anybody's come forward yet...)