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Title: We need our own rules here. Post by: fedor3327 on February 16, 2016, 01:27:25 PM Stop guys. You don't understand what are you saying about. You dicing somewhere ( like Primedice ) and you can win or lose even check hash after your bet. But operator don't run away isn't? Here what we see. You send your hard-earned coins and operator run away with your money. That's not a gambling but THEFT! You can name ponzi as gambling when you won, if ponzi wallet isn't empty or lose instead. When next "depositor" come in you know that got "profit". But if operator run away with your coins that's not a game. That's fucking scam. And you agree for that???? That's sucks. In my visibility such "operator" should get soldering iron into his fucking ass. Regards. I think that we needs some radically changes here. I don't know exactly how but something like that: I saw that almost all of doublers accept micro-transaction. He give you some small amount, say 0.001 and "double" it. So you have 0.002. After that he allow you withdraw 0.002. After that it's up to you to send 0.001 again or not. If he such "gentle word saver". if you send again, he will"double" 0.001 and everyone happy. If you decide not to send again- not a big deal coz 0.001 not so big money, and here will be equal chances win or lose in 2 sides. From him or from you. That's will be real game not a fucking scam. Let's think together and setup rules. If "operator" don't agree for our rules we don't send him coins. Think something like that will cut a lot of scammers here. Regards. More. Operator can also get some % for yoursellf for his honest profit. (After second "deposit" means). And he will earn real trust too. Not like now everywhere [TRUSTED] so don't need new account again and again. But **we** will setup rules. Don'like - OK, go away. P.S. Without **our** rules almost (if all) users will lose coins. For now % who won too low. If game- let's game. Regards. Hi guys! Don't need to discuss about ban coz ban useless. Let's talk about rules. I mean about community rules. Community is big. So we can setup rules and send coins to operator who agree for rules. A'm saying again. Let's think together. I got to know too. But I don't know how. Maybe we can setup multisig ponzi wallet and such "doubler" should be "deposit" like users do 50% or whatever from incoming money to that multisig wallet so it will be impossible to steal coins. After "doubling" cycle that amount (minus some (honest) % to "doubler" ) going to user and to doubler too 50/50 or whatever. Everybody happy :) And such "doubling" will do serious "doubler" who have real money, not a obviously scammer. And explain that in social networks too to prevent newbies from scam. That will be real game as what I'm said before. P.S. Let's open discussion. Also I can write such soft (not for free but we can think about that in open discussion :) Think all work should be paid) After that I will open code for revision and program be opensource. Key point here is that multisig wallet:one password will hold user, other password hold "doubler" third - trusted member e.t.c In multisig wallet there can be several passwords. Or maybe more easy way: Here onboard we setup one multisig wallet (don't need any program) so any doubler who wanna play here also do "deposit". Passwords hold user, doubler and several trusted members so noone can steal money. Let's think together. P.S. In this case don't need micro transaction. Any amount will be acceptable. Anyway we cant leave situation like right now. Regards. Multisig wallet isn't escrow. I think it's much better. Even more easy way one password hold user second password hold "doubler" Don't need any software, escrow e.t.c ........... What are your guys think about our own rules here? Because right now you are like lambs gifting "doublers" lose all and have only headache. Game should give fun isn't? Regards. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: noni on February 16, 2016, 01:36:12 PM I think so this good,
do not need to change anything because the forum is very well organized and in this section is okay why some would change something? ;D Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: fedor3327 on February 16, 2016, 02:30:34 PM Ofcourse don't need to change forum. :)
Only need to exclude theft. Thats all what we need. Ponzi is OK. Simplest way to add multisig wallet for safety, two independed passwords.... done - no more scam. Regards. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: Xsinx on February 16, 2016, 02:31:42 PM Its up to the people if they want to invest or not, its their money their set their own rules. using multi sig wallet for the funds will be another risk that investors will take.
Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: Steve_Tou on February 16, 2016, 02:34:48 PM With multi sig wallet or not, scammers will always find other ways to exploit.
Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: Soylent_Green on February 16, 2016, 02:36:24 PM Multi-Sig can not work.
Who should hold this keys? One the Operator and one every User that deposit? Or only one other user? And how to do you know this user don't work with the Op? And that would mean for every payout or refund the Op need all the Keys. Just wait a half year, and this sub-forum will die a natual death anyway. As soon the 'trustless' contracts on bitcoin sidechains work, the word "scam" not longer exist. That work already with Ethereum. Then we can set up new rules. No cryptographically secure contract = no money. But we should not forget: Gambling is still Gambling. If you lose on a slot machine it is not 'scam'. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: fedor3327 on February 16, 2016, 02:38:59 PM Nope. Take money possible only if enter two password. But as user and doubler have own passwords such
things impossible. Noone can take money himself. So user cannot take money himself like doubler also can't take it without user. That's it. Please check how to multisig wallet working. I'm saying about additional wallet, not main ponzi wallet. Probably each "deposit" can have own additional wallet ( don't know 50% or whatever. You can to offer, not so important, can be discussed later) Technically setup is not the problem. I don't know who should hold keys but let's think together... I'm not saying that I'm absolutely right here .... Please write Your variant here. It's easy to do criticism.... Do you like to be scammed.... You saying that scam is OK.... So if you like scam ..... it's up to you........ Regards. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: Stroto on February 16, 2016, 07:52:07 PM Nope. Take money possible only if enter two password. But as user and doubler have own passwords such things impossible. Noone can take money himself. So user cannot take money himself like doubler also can't take it without user. That's it. Please check how to multisig wallet working. I'm saying about additional wallet, not main ponzi wallet. Probably each "deposit" can have own additional wallet ( don't know 50% or whatever. You can to offer, not so important, can be discussed later) Technically setup is not the problem. I don't know who should hold keys but let's think together... I'm not saying that I'm absolutely right here .... Please write Your variant here. It's easy to do criticism.... Do you like to be scammed.... You saying that scam is OK.... So if you like scam ..... it's up to you........ Regards. Ok I didn't want to discuss this matter again, because I always see users propose it and not build it and personally I don't believe in it. You talk about a portion in the mainwallet of a game and a portion in a two-out-of-two multisig wallet. The game. as you call it, of doubling is pretty straight forward. If no one puts any coin in the end the last ones will lose. The bigger the game gets the more people are waiting. Ok I know people try to hide that fact with counting down 100 hours or 7 days or what ever. the principle is still the same. So I ask you the same question as I have asked others before. How many of losing users do you think will release their coins to pay the others above them? maybe a few is my answer, but a lot of crybabies will be stubbornly holding their keys up in their asses and will not give in. Simply said person 1 is paid by person 1 and person 2 their deposit, person 2 is paid by person 3 and person 4 their deposit, .... etc. How can you make person 3 and 4 to sign to pay for person 2? it doesn't really matter if you lock up 50% or more or even less you still need those funds to pay out others. As You call it a game it should be obvious that there is no team or trades or cloudmining or a gnome at the end of the rainbow with a pot of gold that pays the doubling.... in an honest doubler the users pay the users. On the other side if the doubler wants to scam he can still run with the coins, but just the mainwallet now, but then again he will never sign to release the locked funds either. As a matter of fact I guess there will come projects that ask to log in with emails so when they scam they can ask for a donation to release the coins. So yeah that is why I don't believe in escrow like some say or multisig like you say, or even in a straightforward honest doubler... deposits will dry up and the last users will lose, that is something that just is what it is when the resources aren't infinite. But if you think it might work, I'll be happily proven wrong Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: fedor3327 on February 16, 2016, 08:57:23 PM Good folks!
Put here something that you think will be useful. Maybe we'll find some consencus? Regards. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: d.mas on February 17, 2016, 03:33:10 AM Good folks! Put here something that you think will be useful. Maybe we'll find some consencus? Regards. Are you kind of developer or thinker? We should consider to have a community to build a system that people should going to that system, BEFORE start investing to kind of HYIP or Ponzi or f*cking SCAM program. It's NOT like HYIP Monitor, NOT like RATING some program, and NOT related to kind of Ads for them too. A Clear Transparent for Investment Validating System. more thoughts or ideas or whitehat are welcome.. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: fedor3327 on February 17, 2016, 02:32:21 PM Low-level (system) programming.
Regards. Title: Re: We need our own rules here. Post by: fedor3327 on February 18, 2016, 02:35:27 PM I open new thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366490.0 So what? ..... Nothing..... only criticism..... Nobody want to change something........ Where is something useful... Regards. |