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Title: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: conspirosphere.tk on January 16, 2013, 09:30:12 AM Bitbond was one major mining bond on the GLBSE run by amazingrando. He received the owner list from Nefario in November 2012 and relisted the asset on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29 (https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29). In december amazingrando told to the bondholders that he violated the original contract below paying all the accrued dividends to a few of the biggest bondholders, due to some secret clause betweeen him and them:
... Regarding dividends for the period between GLBSE closure and now, the plan is still evolving. The vast majority of bonds (85%) are held by a small group of investors. Their buy-in of bonds came with additional requirements and legal contracts that have required that I pay their payouts before other parties. They have been paid all coupon payments going back to the GLBSE closure. For those of you who constitute the remaining 15%, the earnings from GLBSE closure is not lost. I am working on a plan that will give you a few options including payouts, buyback, and ASIC upgrade. I hope to share details of that this weekend. original contract below: Relaunched on Cryptostocks! Bitbond (Cryptostocks (http://Cryptostocks.com/) ticker BITBOND (https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29)) is a perpetual mining bond where you can buy mining power and receive weekly mining payouts, without buying and maintaining expensive hardware. Payouts will continue indefinitely. Bond features
Benefits over other bonds
FAQ When would payouts begin? Payouts started on 4/8/2012 See the post after this for payout history How long will it take to start mining? Mining started on Saturday 4/7 at 2 PM. It is a subset of my mining hash power currently on maxbtc.com (https://www.maxbtc.com/top-miners/) What is your hardware setup? I exclusively run GPUs for mining due to my low power costs. I may offer further bonds in the future with FPGA hardware if the economics are right and the FPGA vendor can deliver when I need it Why/how 105% PPS? First, I will be doing merged mining so those coins will be used to increase the pay per share. Also, I would like to offer a good value for each bondholder. The extra 5% will add up over the weeks, months, years. If reinvested it will greatly accelerate ROI compared to 100% PPS options. What if you have technical issues/downtime? I have more than 210 Gh/s operating with a total capacity beyond 300 Gh/s. Should there be any downtime, I will contribute hashes from my personal farm to ensure the full dividend is paid each week. Up to now none of the small investors received any dividend payment since the GLBSE closure, while amazingrando is keeping mining with the hardware they bought him (now >150 Ghs on Bitminter alone). I think it is the case for a big scammer tag. What do you think? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: marketersales on January 16, 2013, 09:33:37 AM Bitbond was one major mining bond on the GLBSE run by amazingrando. He received the owner list from Nefario in November 2012 and relisted the asset on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29 (https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29). In december amazingrando told to the shareholders that he violated the original contract below paying all the accrued dividends to a few of the biggest shareholders, due to some secret clause betweeen him and them: looks nice.... Regarding dividends for the period between GLBSE closure and now, the plan is still evolving. The vast majority of bonds (85%) are held by a small group of investors. Their buy-in of bonds came with additional requirements and legal contracts that have required that I pay their payouts before other parties. They have been paid all coupon payments going back to the GLBSE closure. For those of you who constitute the remaining 15%, the earnings from GLBSE closure is not lost. I am working on a plan that will give you a few options including payouts, buyback, and ASIC upgrade. I hope to share details of that this weekend. so announcing his intention to violate the original contract: Relaunched on Cryptostocks! Bitbond (Cryptostocks (http://Cryptostocks.com/) ticker BITBOND (https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29)) is a perpetual mining bond where you can buy mining power and receive weekly mining payouts, without buying and maintaining expensive hardware. Payouts will continue indefinitely. Bond features
Benefits over other bonds
FAQ When would payouts begin? Payouts started on 4/8/2012 See the post after this for payout history How long will it take to start mining? Mining started on Saturday 4/7 at 2 PM. It is a subset of my mining hash power currently on maxbtc.com (https://www.maxbtc.com/top-miners/) What is your hardware setup? I exclusively run GPUs for mining due to my low power costs. I may offer further bonds in the future with FPGA hardware if the economics are right and the FPGA vendor can deliver when I need it Why/how 105% PPS? First, I will be doing merged mining so those coins will be used to increase the pay per share. Also, I would like to offer a good value for each bondholder. The extra 5% will add up over the weeks, months, years. If reinvested it will greatly accelerate ROI compared to 100% PPS options. What if you have technical issues/downtime? I have more than 210 Gh/s operating with a total capacity beyond 300 Gh/s. Should there be any downtime, I will contribute hashes from my personal farm to ensure the full dividend is paid each week. Up to now none of the small investors received any dividend payment since the GLBSE closure, while amazingrando is keeping mining with the hardware they bought him (now >150 Ghs on Bitminter alone). I think it is the case for a big scammer tag. What do you think? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: camolist on January 16, 2013, 10:17:52 AM Another undisuptable case that will likely go the route of giga
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: PsychoticBoy on January 16, 2013, 11:44:37 AM If I understand it correct, amazingrando only paid 85% of its Investors.
Thats probably the reason I did not recieved any outstanding dividends >:( In that case: SCAMMER TAG the bastard! Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: conspirosphere.tk on January 16, 2013, 11:54:53 AM If I understand it correct, amazingrando only paid 85% of its Investors. Thats probably the reason I did not recieved any outstanding dividends >:( In that case: SCAMMER TAG the bastard! No, it's worse: he says that he (over)paid a small group of his investors who own 85% of the bonds. Problem is that he OVERpaid them, since the dividend payments should be equal for all on a per bond basis, and he paid nothing to the other bond owners. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: usagi on January 16, 2013, 01:23:50 PM [snip] Amazingrando sold bonds promising 105% PPS, then behind investors backs sold again this contract to a second class of bondholder. In other words, he sold a car to smitty, then turned around and sold a car to bill. Now smitty is complaining, where's my car, and amazingrando is all like I am working on a plan that will give you a few options including payouts, buyback, and ASIC upgrade. I hope to share details of that this weekend. That really stinks. Amazingrando lied to the people who bought bonds from them. He told an actual lie in order to sell more bonds. It wasn't a misunderstanding or a mistake or old data or someone trolling. It was amazingrando telling a lie to rip someone off for his own benefit. I shouldn't need to tell anyone that's the very definition of a fraud. Now. Is it true? Is that what he really did, or is this another smear campaign? ??? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 16, 2013, 01:38:36 PM Scammer tag, scammer tag time.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Tritonio on January 16, 2013, 06:15:45 PM No, it's worse: he says that he (over)paid a small group of his investors who own 85% of the bonds. Problem is that he OVERpaid them, since the dividend payments should be equal for all on a per bond basis, and he paid nothing to the other bond owners. When did he say that? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Deprived on January 16, 2013, 06:37:25 PM [snip] Amazingrando sold bonds promising 105% PPS, then behind investors backs sold again this contract to a second class of bondholder. In other words, he sold a car to smitty, then turned around and sold a car to bill. Now smitty is complaining, where's my car, and amazingrando is all like I am working on a plan that will give you a few options including payouts, buyback, and ASIC upgrade. I hope to share details of that this weekend. That really stinks. Amazingrando lied to the people who bought bonds from them. He told an actual lie in order to sell more bonds. It wasn't a misunderstanding or a mistake or old data or someone trolling. It was amazingrando telling a lie to rip someone off for his own benefit. I shouldn't need to tell anyone that's the very definition of a fraud. Now. Is it true? Is that what he really did, or is this another smear campaign? ??? Don't think that's quite what happened. What actually happened is: He started selling bonds in public. Then sold a bunch privately (i.e. off market - if you look at BTC-MINING you'l see where a large chunk of these went). When GLBSE went down he used funds that were being held for dividends to buy ASICs - leaving him insufficient cash to pay out the dividends he owed. He somehow scraped together enough to pay out dividends to the private investors - but was left with insufficient to pay out regular shareholders. He also then compounded his error by unilaterally announcing that he would no longer be paying dividends - despite it being a fixed-rate bond. Then when his various fuckups/dodgy dealings were noticed he pretty much vanished. It's not that he sold the same thing twice - it appears he has sufficent mining power to back all his sales. It's that he went and spent money that should have been paid in dividends on ordering ASICs - which he may well have got away with unnoticed had his ASICs arrived before GLBSE sent out the investors' list. Obviously it's blatant scamming - both in using other people's funds (the dividend payments) to buy hardware with and then in deciding to just cancel paying further dividends despite continuing to mine. Would guess he's just going to keep stalling until his ASICs arrive then pray he can mine enough BTC to make payments sufficient to avoid/have removed a scammer tag. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: viboracecata on January 17, 2013, 03:01:00 AM Who vote for answer no?
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 17, 2013, 03:28:09 PM Who vote for answer no? His large investors who get preferential treatment. The scammer tag for amazingrando is long overdue. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 17, 2013, 05:25:58 PM No, it's worse: he says that he (over)paid a small group of his investors who own 85% of the bonds. Problem is that he OVERpaid them, since the dividend payments should be equal for all on a per bond basis, and he paid nothing to the other bond owners. When did he say that? Regarding coupon payments since GLBSE closed, 85% has been paid to the largest investors (working from largest bondholder down). I would like to be able to pay the remaining 15% immediately, but doing so would mean canceling our ASIC pre-order and losing the pre-order slot. He's stealing money from 15% of his bondholders to pre-order ASICs and, if they ever get delivered, will then pay most of the income from those ASICs to the large investors who contributed 0% to buy them. If that's not unfair then I don't know what is. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 17, 2013, 06:03:55 PM One more thing. He had to pay for the ASICs when he ordered them and he's still mining with the GPUs that he has but he isn't paying our interest. This means that there's probably something else going on that we were not told about.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: MPOE-PR on January 17, 2013, 06:42:32 PM He's stealing money from 15% of his bondholders Allegedly 15%. For all you know they could be 90%. to pre-order ASICs Allegedly. (Is this part of the financing of the BFL scam incidentally?) It's not that he sold the same thing twice - it appears he has sufficent mining power to back all his sales. Where does this appear? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 17, 2013, 06:48:15 PM Allegedly 15%. For all you know they could be 90%. True. Is this part of the financing of the BFL scam incidentally? Most probably yes. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 17, 2013, 07:04:53 PM It's not that he sold the same thing twice - it appears he has sufficent mining power to back all his sales. Where does this appear?I just checked Bitminter and he's mining there with about 170GH/s. http://bitminter.com/livestats/big Unless he's also mining somewhere else there seems to be a shortfall. He sold 200GH/s of bonds and 170 is 85% of 200. This is from the OP: What if you have technical issues/downtime? I have more than 210 Gh/s operating with a total capacity beyond 300 Gh/s. Should there be any downtime, I will contribute hashes from my personal farm to ensure the full dividend is paid each week. Liar. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: conspirosphere.tk on January 17, 2013, 07:10:16 PM Is this part of the financing of the BFL scam incidentally? Most probably yes. So that's another case of nth-degree scam, or pyramidal scam. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Monster Tent on January 17, 2013, 09:06:38 PM This douchebag is providing the same "service" as people like Hashking who outright lied about not being invested in pirate. Bitbond owners are unwittingly involved in a BFL passthrough which will blow up just as the last scam did.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 17, 2013, 09:53:37 PM This douchebag is providing the same "service" as people like Hashking who outright lied about not being invested in pirate. Bitbond owners are unwittingly involved in a BFL passthrough which will blow up just as the last scam did. I think you nailed it. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Namworld on January 17, 2013, 10:17:19 PM Currently lent him 2369 BTC for temporary hashing. Long overdue and he's not answering any PM.
He's currently still mining with his GPUs but not paying anyone. Should be tagged until he resume talks and payments. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: MPOE-PR on January 17, 2013, 10:33:05 PM This douchebag is providing the same "service" as people like Hashking who outright lied about not being invested in pirate. Bitbond owners are unwittingly involved in a BFL passthrough which will blow up just as the last scam did. This is a pretty good point. What do the pirate scam and the BFL scam have in common other than the fact that they were financed in (significant?) part through secret/undeclared passthroughs? Because if there's a pool of shared human resources it's quite likely that a more or less informal but pretty criminal organization is/was running the whole thing. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: stochastic on January 18, 2013, 04:23:34 AM What is the outstanding amount that is owed? Is it that difficult to get a traditional short term loan?
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 18, 2013, 07:51:35 AM What is the outstanding amount that is owed? I don't know, you'd have to know the difficulty for each week since GLBSE closed and then calculate the interest from that and add it all up. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 18, 2013, 01:33:37 PM What is the outstanding amount that is owed? It's a good idea to take a look at the overall size of this scam: He sold 100,000 bonds at 0.6 BTC each (if my memory serves me right). That's a cool 60,000 BTC! Of those only 85% or 51,000 BTC are still backed by GPUs and get their interest payments. 9000 BTC worth of bitbonds are not getting interest payments. The bonds themselves have become almost worthless because of this. If we add the 2369 BTC that Namworld reported missing we get 11,369 BTC + outstanding interest that the not-so-amazingrando managed to make disappear. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: MPOE-PR on January 18, 2013, 08:43:16 PM What is the outstanding amount that is owed? It's a good idea to take a look at the overall size of this scam: He sold 100,000 bonds at 0.6 BTC each (if my memory serves me right). That's a cool 60,000 BTC! Of those only 85% or 51,000 BTC are still backed by GPUs and get their interest payments. 9000 BTC worth of bitbonds are not getting interest payments. The bonds themselves have become almost worthless because of this. If we add the 2369 BTC that Namworld reported missing we get 11,369 BTC + outstanding interest that the not-so-amazingrando managed to make disappear. Wait, he took more than gigavps? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Namworld on January 18, 2013, 08:47:59 PM Both sold 200 000 mhash
Gigamining 40000 five mhash bonds x 1 BTC = 40000 BTC (0.2 BTC per mhash) Bitbond 100000 two mhash bonds x 0.6 BTC = 60000 BTC (0.3 BTC per mhash) Would make sense. Not sure he sold everything at 0.6 BTC tho. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Tritonio on January 18, 2013, 09:28:12 PM Does anyone know him personally? Or, in case he actually runs with the money, a scammer tag is the only thing he'll be getting?
EDIT: By personally I mean if anyone's got a name. And of course I don't ask for anyone to post anything here... Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 18, 2013, 09:33:03 PM Both sold 200 000 mhash Gigamining 40000 five mhash bonds x 1 BTC = 40000 BTC (0.2 BTC per mhash) Bitbond 100000 two mhash bonds x 0.6 BTC = 60000 BTC (0.3 BTC per mhash) Would make sense. Not sure he sold everything at 0.6 BTC tho. I think his large investors got a better deal. But the little guys who bought at GLBSE paid 0.6 BTC and are now getting ripped off. He doesn't seem to like the little guys! Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: stochastic on January 20, 2013, 02:23:18 AM Does anyone know him personally? Or, in case he actually runs with the money, a scammer tag is the only thing he'll be getting? Maybe a google search will help.EDIT: By personally I mean if anyone's got a name. And of course I don't ask for anyone to post anything here... amazingrando (http://amazingrando.com) Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: usagi on January 20, 2013, 05:51:39 AM Does anyone know him personally? Or, in case he actually runs with the money, a scammer tag is the only thing he'll be getting? Maybe a google search will help.EDIT: By personally I mean if anyone's got a name. And of course I don't ask for anyone to post anything here... amazingrando (http://amazingrando.com) Ok so he published his name and telephone number on the web. Now what? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Namworld on January 20, 2013, 06:01:31 AM I have doubts this is the same amazingrando... as in it's very unlikely. There's tons of results for amazingrando leading to different people/references.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Tritonio on January 20, 2013, 03:29:50 PM Do you people think he just took off? OR did he honestly mess things up and now for some reason doesn't even answer?
I mean why would he move the shares to cryptostocks first? He could just take off before doing that... Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 20, 2013, 03:35:01 PM Do you people think he just took off? OR did he honestly mess things up and now for some reason doesn't even answer? I mean why would he move the shares to cryptostocks first? He could just take off before doing that... I think he expected BFL to ship him his ASICs before anybody noticed what he was up to and then he would have sold us an upgrade to ASICs. What he'll do now I don't know. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Deprived on January 20, 2013, 04:13:52 PM Do you people think he just took off? OR did he honestly mess things up and now for some reason doesn't even answer? I mean why would he move the shares to cryptostocks first? He could just take off before doing that... I think he expected BFL to ship him his ASICs before anybody noticed what he was up to and then he would have sold us an upgrade to ASICs. What he'll do now I don't know. Yep this. He was borrowing (actually stealing with the intent to replace it later) investors' dividend payments to upgrade to ASICs and hoping noone would notice. But the delays from BFL made that impossible. Now he's in hiding and will probably stay in hiding until he gets the ASICs. Then he'll either do a runner or use the mined income from the ASICs to pay off his debts and claim he did nothing wrong (plus offer upgrades to the.ASICs he bought with the stolen funds). If this was a bet then I'd marginally be inclined to bet on the side that he'll just do a runner - especially if noone has any contact information allowing pressure to be put on him by contacting his friends/family/work-mates. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 20, 2013, 07:15:53 PM If this was a bet then I'd marginally be inclined to bet on the side that he'll just do a runner - especially if noone has any contact information allowing pressure to be put on him by contacting his friends/family/work-mates. Nefario knows his identity but he probably won't help us. BFL might be able to identify him as well but I don't expect them to help us either. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Tritonio on January 21, 2013, 02:30:54 PM So we'll just wait till ASICs ship?
Quote or use the mined income from the ASICs to pay off his debts and claim he did nothing wrong I want to see how will he'll justify not talking for half a month+. "I was in the hospital."?In any case I don't think that hiding is a good idea. He could just show up and promise to pay his forced "loan" with a higher interest than what anyone would get if he/she had invested the dividents in an average ASIC mining company. I suppose most people would accept the offer if he also admitted that he messed things up. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: stochastic on January 21, 2013, 04:36:33 PM When was the last time someone actually got a scammer tag?
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: MPOE-PR on January 21, 2013, 05:21:08 PM I want to see how will he'll justify not talking for half a month+. "I was in the hospital."? Sure, why not? Or otherwise the perennial "I've been very busy" + "personal matters". Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Bitinvestor on January 22, 2013, 12:47:07 PM When was the last time someone actually got a scammer tag? I don't know but I do remember that bulanula got a scammer tag because he kept 20 BTC that somebody sent him in error. Do we really need to follow in the footsteps of the prevailing legal system were the little fish get fried and the big ones get bailed out? Who's in charge here anyway? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: PsychoticBoy on January 22, 2013, 01:10:39 PM When was the last time someone actually got a scammer tag? I don't know but I do remember that bulanula got a scammer tag because he kept 20 BTC that somebody sent him in error. Do we really need to follow in the footsteps of the prevailing legal system were the little fish get fried and the big ones get bailed out? Who's in charge here anyway? theymos Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: regular on January 25, 2013, 06:46:51 AM it seems like it's so easy for people to get away with scams. These aren't trivial amounts either that we're talking about.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: camolist on January 31, 2013, 03:25:02 PM bump.
message sent to bitbond demanding either dividends paid now or refund of 47.5 BTC (purchase price of my bonds) how is this not marked yet? if i default on a 1 btc loan i would be marked within hours. if i setup a bond. raised tens of thousands and disappeared nothing would happen will start my own thread and start bumping this thread hourly if i am not paid within 24 hours Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: conspirosphere.tk on January 31, 2013, 04:19:46 PM Yeah. The BTC-sphere is like in the meatspace: you may be punished just for pennies, but if you scam really big time you become Too Big To Jail. Learn the lesson and don't trust anyone ever more, especially the big fat fishes with super-hero rep.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: dishwara on February 03, 2013, 01:11:59 PM I found this on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29
http://i48.tinypic.com/10db3ly.jpg He just waiting for 06 dec 2013, so that all bonds expire & he don't have to pay any one anything. It seems mods encouraging amazingrando to scam, by not giving scammer tag. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: WinTame2012 on February 03, 2013, 07:39:02 PM I've also noticed that on GLBSE amazingrando was verified issuer - had a lot of onformation confirmed by exchange, like address, id, etc. But on the CryptoStocks he don't hurry to submit info for verification. It kinda red flag for me. Seems we all was f*d up.
Anyone here have screenshots with BITBOND prices near the GLBSE collapse? Or maybe issuer's info? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: PsychoticBoy on February 03, 2013, 10:33:37 PM This is the guy you are searching for: https://twitter.com/amazingrando Randy Oest aka Amazing Rando aka amazingrando
https://i.imgur.com/WLhvwxP.png Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: WinTame2012 on February 03, 2013, 11:47:08 PM This is the guy you are searching for: https://twitter.com/amazingrando Randy Oest aka Amazing Rando aka amazingrando I'm not sure he is that guy. Nick appears to be widle spread around interwebs. Moreover, his email on CryptoStocks is todd@spiralcomputing.com not Randy obviously :)https://i.imgur.com/WLhvwxP.png Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: MPOE-PR on February 17, 2013, 04:43:42 AM it seems like it's so easy for people to get away with scams. These aren't trivial amounts either that we're talking about. Soooo.... Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: camolist on February 17, 2013, 11:33:16 AM Thinking this and my thread need to be brought up in "meta"
Seems to be a forum staff issue when owners of contracts that are clearly being broken are immune from labeling Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Monster Tent on February 17, 2013, 11:02:08 PM Seems like a case of conspiracy with the large bondholders and Rando to rip off the rest. "Fuck you I got mine"
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: WinTame2012 on March 03, 2013, 02:30:22 PM Bump!
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Tritonio on March 04, 2013, 05:22:41 PM He still hasn't contacted anybody? He said he would be contacting his shareholders by email, did he do that?
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: WinTame2012 on March 04, 2013, 09:29:18 PM He still hasn't contacted anybody? He said he would be contacting his shareholders by email, did he do that? Not heard from him for a months.Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: sublime5447 on March 06, 2013, 08:08:00 AM This user will be marked a scammer on the master scammer list. I will add it in the morning
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: dishwara on March 06, 2013, 04:30:14 PM I just came to know that theymos didn't aware of bitbond scams.
Due to lots of scams happening, its possible for any one to miss 1 or 2 scams. I PMed theymos with some of bitbond posts & i cant able to find the Original posts which pin points what amazingrando did/doing. If anyone can make brief report with amazingrando posts, please PM it to theymos. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: conspirosphere.tk on March 06, 2013, 04:35:53 PM the first post in this thread could be a start:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136803.msg1457293#msg1457293 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136803.msg1457293#msg1457293) Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: dishwara on March 06, 2013, 04:39:44 PM This is my PM to theymos.
Quote https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75126.msg1382665#msg1382665 Regarding dividends for the period between GLBSE closure and now, the plan is still evolving. The vast majority of bonds (85%) are held by a small group of investors. Their buy-in of bonds came with additional requirements and legal contracts that have required that I pay their payouts before other parties. They have been paid all coupon payments going back to the GLBSE closure. For those of you who constitute the remaining 15%, the earnings from GLBSE closure is not lost. I am working on a plan that will give you a few options including payouts, buyback, and ASIC upgrade. I hope to share details of that this weekend. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75126.msg1419472#msg1419472 Regarding coupon payments since GLBSE closed, 85% has been paid to the largest investors (working from largest bondholder down). I would like to be able to pay the remaining 15% immediately, but doing so would mean canceling our ASIC pre-order and losing the pre-order slot. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136803 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136803.msg1458102#msg1458102 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141139.msg1503080#msg1503080 "October 5th through block reward halving on November 28, 2012, BITBOND paid out all payouts to the majority bondholders (the “85%”)." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141139.msg1503113#msg1503113 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141139.msg1503280#msg1503280 Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: camolist on March 06, 2013, 05:03:02 PM I just came to know that theymos didn't aware of bitbond scams. Due to lots of scams happening, its possible for any one to miss 1 or 2 scams. I PMed theymos with some of bitbond posts & i cant able to find the Original posts which pin points what amazingrando did/doing. If anyone can make brief report with amazingrando posts, please PM it to theymos. I don't buy it. I sent a pm With links to both scam accusation threads and bitbonds short lived / now locked plans thread. No reply received. Unless he is not watching this sub forum (two threads one has been around quite awhile) and not reading pms If it really is being too busy it sounds like more people need to have access to do this to help him Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: conspirosphere.tk on March 13, 2013, 11:03:24 AM Since he disappeared from 1 month+ and does not answer to PM, it is now for sure that he is a scammer, so his portrait is back up to stay:
http://amazingrand0.blogspot.com (http://amazingrand0.blogspot.com) Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Tritonio on March 13, 2013, 12:18:09 PM I don't think that's his portrait. How do you know it's him?
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: theymos on March 13, 2013, 04:51:40 PM Did he actually lose that much money in the GLBSE shutdown? I thought that everyone with any significant amount of money in GLBSE got most of it back now.
Also, did he actually pay 85% of investors? Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: Namworld on March 13, 2013, 05:33:09 PM There's no proof of that 85% investors provided. No precise information. Nothing, other than his claim to be out of funds (It looks like he sold 100% of his hashing, no room for paying expenses. Not sure wtf that's about.)
Also, the BTC he owes me is debt. It was loaned funds in exchange of hashing, not part of the BITBOND offer. He owed the full amount by the end of Auguest (Over 2000 BTC). Just review my PM messages between me and him. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: camolist on March 13, 2013, 07:17:08 PM Did he actually lose that much money in the GLBSE shutdown? I thought that everyone with any significant amount of money in GLBSE got most of it back now. Also, did he actually pay 85% of investors? He is still hashing at bitminter (well as of February I have not checked since) with the hardware. With the claim 85% had special secret contracts that they had to be paid first (though no one has come out to claim receiving payment) So even if money was lost he is still receiving btc from the mining hardware that should be going out now... Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: dishwara on March 13, 2013, 08:04:10 PM I found this on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/29 http://i48.tinypic.com/10db3ly.jpg He just waiting for 06 dec 2013, so that all bonds expire & he don't have to pay any one anything. It seems mods encouraging amazingrando to scam, by not giving scammer tag. Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: theymos on March 16, 2013, 11:39:31 PM I tagged him.
Title: Re: [POLL] Bitbond (amazingrando) Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on March 16, 2013, 11:41:09 PM I tagged him. Thank you theymos! |
