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What happened::  Robertt and I agreed on $100 of his paypal for my 0.2btc.  He sent Paypal first, I sent BTC immediately after.  24 hours later, his paypal account inniciated a payment reversal due to an "unauthorized transaction"

Scammers Profile Link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=704654

Reference Link:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372068.0   He even states that he received it within this thread including the hash transaction
Amount Scammed:  0.2btc / $100 Paypal
Payment Method:  I paid BTC.
Proof of Payment:  https://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2aa37ad3d95a3f58699fa98ebefa33ac6e41890120f1329afce3df700e17e8ac
PM/Chat Logs:  (I will add)
Additional Notes:  Email Address: r.oberttt462@gmail.com     sardasa has his 'actual' address.



UPDATE!  3/1/2016
Hey everyone.  GOOD NEWS!! Paypal did the right thing and denied Robertt's "unanuthorized transaction".

Email I received from paypal this morning:
"We have completed our investigation of the transaction below and were
unable to find evidence of unauthorized access to the buyer’s account. This
case was denied to the buyer and no funds were recovered from your account."

So I received my funds that were being held and Robertt is still an A$$H0LE

Take that Robertt!!

Hahah sorry, but you deserve that. Not sure HOW MANY TIMES "Robertt" was mentioned already (and his 1000 Alts). How can you fall for this? I guess you havent checked anything on him and just decided to make a Paypal deal? Nice...

Anyway, Robertt, I know youre reading this, dont gamble it all away yet - its becoming harder and harder  ;D :D

I haven't spent much time over in the currency exchange section of this forum.  I don't expect to get anything back, I have already written this off as a loss.  Just trying to get the word out to other potential victims. 

You could have taken 20 seconds out of your precious time to read my feedback on his profile (including mexx's/lutpins/hilariousandco's) and probably saved 0.20 bitcoins.You know,trust system is there for a reason .People should use it more effectively.

Address which he has on his PayPal a/c is not his real address.
As per that address he should be 8 hours behind my time zone but he's actually 14 hours behind. I wish I had noticed this before.

Sounds like morroco.man or one of the other PayPal scammers. They're pretty poor and will scam you the first chance they get, even if it's only for a couple of bucks.

He will be back with another alt to get you guys again. Hopefully you won't be dumb enough to fall for the same thing twice.

PayPal email address is the same as his contact?

It's not that we didn't say he was trying to build trust.
It's not that we didn't warn about him on his feedback page.
It's not that this wasn't somehow predictable.
It's not that...

I am not sure about paypal but you should give them a little as possible to reverse payments.
Remove the money immediatly after receivin git (from paypal and bank).

You should try and dispute that with Paypal.

it was a very large amount . why are you so easily believe someone dude ?

When involving cryptos, paypal always sides with the one who sends/reverses the payment. Opening a dispute won't help much, as PayPal got things like this covered in their TOS.
There is a reason why we got a sticky thread in the currency exchange forum saying "Beware of PayPal [...] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=14632.msg197267#msg197267)"

OK... that means there is no way of getting the money back. It is probably because the Bitcoin is very untraceable and volatile still.

BTC is irreversible once confirmed, PayPal is reversible up to 180 (or even 365) days in every case. No friends and family, no other option will help you against that.

A notable read is also what spoetnik has to say to the topic:

Not always, mostly when a unauthorized claim is made. Don't forget their digital goods policy which is why I actually recommend escrow for legit members who are not using a VPN / proxy, hacked or stealth account and using PayPal funds.

The thought of someone scamming for $100 though is pretty sad.

I mean I guess this adds up since if he does this x10 times with however many alts he has.. then thats damage. I just wish there was a site that collected everyones alt that used for scamming.. its kinda hard to follow alts.

You are searching for the known alts of anyone thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0). It's far from being complete, but it's a start.
Collecting the 3 (the ones I know of) currently open scam accusations, it's not $100, but a total of $223 that user scammed from this alt, probably even more coming up in the next days.

I'll explain everything when I get home

I have no alts by the way.

Notice there is a new acc Roberttt.

That's what they all say dont they .

Why would I use the same name

I had a feeling this user was going to scam someone sooner or later.
He put up threads in the trade exchange section recently that seemed odd to me.

These scammers don't die please die already i'm sick of these scammers >:(

Did you win big from using the scammed money?

I didnt say it is you

.....still waiting.  send my btc back please.  (i'm actually surprised you showed up and commented in this thread)

They always say that they'll explain when they get back home or when they have access to their computer or when they're done shagging their dog but the truth is, it wont happen. Sorry for your loss buddy.

I can write the next reply for Robertt, exactly gonna know how this is playing out.

"It's different this time, I really didn't scam anyone.
I've received the PayPal funds from another account myself. I traded with user X, YBTC for $Z.
Only today I realized that the funds I then sent to you guys have been reversed. I wasn't the initiator of this.
I'm a victim aswell here. Believe me!"

Do you all actually understand that hes trolling you?  :D ;D

Robertt, just for this, I will mention some other accounts (I did already but the Stevie Wonders around here still like to get scammed):

meatmeat
Selfpaid
everyones darling "agusmf" (shit, that one you really fucked up, no? Wait the end  8))
dovetail and his alts (yea u know)
.... i mean i could make a whole list, but why? right? See the upcoming cross posts

And yes, Rob, you are special, someone said u scammed already 223 in total - funny - if people would seriously look, i think your group made 100x that amount.

Anyway, youre a good guy, Rob ... cause also as they allow u, its their fault - i agree.

No rush, make it count.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/100/dis_gon_be_good.gif

You know what? Just cause its a nice day, i throw in some freebies... Sure, theres more, but just from freebies to enjoy :)

"Nimano"
"dseamans"
"Dawid2013" (shit, man, im sorry, I know he would be soon starting.. sorry, bad reflex)
"alfaxxx"

But, you know, that was easy... im waiting for a nice idea of you. Dont let me down.

I got one, you provide us with the base on which you make those connections, and we leave some red messages to those accounts you can clearly connect to Robertt.

Usually this is when the trolling starts. First they get your money and then laugh at you while trolling, leading you into believing they will pay you back.  Take it as a lose and move on.

The problem is this board and the way of it. You need to be scammed to receive a negative rep and same time, they know this... thats why they often do the "idiot pinguin" after trying a scam ... "oh sorry, didnt know my account is worth nothing for a loan" .. "oh sir, sorry, you are right, i will use escrow"... "oh yes, im a newbie, sorry sir".. blabla

As far as I get it, you cant leave anyone negative feedback without "valid" proof (and that proof, what i have seen here, exists only after the scam).

So my idea in all of this is not to collect the data.. even a whole list of alts doesnt make any sense (they wont ever use them again). Burn their accounts, thats all, burn their time - Robertt is getting nervous :)

Actually, no. That excuses might work with some guys that leave feedback, but certainly not with everyone.

If you can tie those accounts you mention to Robertt with solid evidence, I'd see that as enough reason to leave a negative to them aswell.

Would force them to start from newbie again, with neat 5 minutes post cooldown and other privileges.
Something worth the effort IMO.

And when you do, you get the mother fucker, idiot, bullshit type of comments along with the same old trust abuse cry.

Btw, this forum's system is truly fucked. Only a matter of time before another master-p incident happens with all the trust building by simply outing scammers (or their own alts lol). Hell, you don't even need to trade here to be trusted so anybody can pretty much do it.

Its like politics, the same.. you see it, you know its wrong, you wouldnt even bet a cent on "right" and yet too many remain silent due to some "code of law" to prove.. Im not that one, I point it out because these people are abusing your own rules. 5 minutes here and there, its NOT one person, its organized and you most likely have like 100 accounts daily signed up from the same vpn....

Bottom line, admins dont care, same as politics ( ;D) because it all works fine, money coming in - but once this board is flooded with these clowns the admins will act like "oh yes, we know what to do" .. shit, u knew years ago already. Anyway... its all about Bitcoins, no address, no nothing... the only thing you can really do is, to destroy them in the moment where they put so much effort into it. In that moment, you think you didnt win anything but you won alot, because they lost shitloads (if you care about that)

And you have green trust.  I find that a little bit amazing, truth be told.  Even if you don't spend much time in the currency exchange section you really have no excuse for not knowing that PayPal is the worst way to do deals with bitcoin when the PayPal party is not trusted.  And I agree with the others when they say you ought to have known better.

I did not chargeback. I got the email from PayPal stating that I was limited because a suspicious transaction, and the two transactions were put on hold,
If I was going to scam why wouldn't I chargeback the other $100 I did with sardasa?

You did charge that back tho.

 :-\.

Amazing Robertt, you just appeared "right in time", your twin.. sorry *cough*.. your spiritual friends are also discussing things in other threads

That's close enough to what I said he was going to say :)

Doesn't mean there are none, though. Only means you are cautious.

The same sardasa who left you negative feedback? Gonna have to come up with something better then that.

I have no alts other than the self admitted one so stop pestering me.
You'll never find proof or existence of an alt

@xersr We did $200 worth of exchanges. $103 & 2 $50

Youre the best man.

I salute you - as long as you dont believe in karma.  ;D :D

Lol I got an email from 'anonymous' team.
My PayPal and gmail are going to be hacked oh wow

Hahahha, tell them to fuck off, cause you can make 100 more daily ...

And you really think I'd bother making more than one?
They both need phone verification.
I can barely verify a Skype account, how could I verify gmail and PayPal?

You know what, sometimes I have been hard on you and thats why I want to apologize.

No, i apologize, you are not rainman. I believe you, you surely can .. i mean, you even asked for phone verification in the other thread cause you lost too many accounts on one day  :D :D

So, when there is a will, theres a solution. Do you need more verification? I can show you websites, dont worry.

I'm not rianman or whoever else you think I am
Obviously you can compare their broken English with mine and see that.

Care to share the snapshot (of the mail)?

Que?


Rainman it is, and you can test yourself by throwing down an open pack of matches and if you guess right how many are on the floor .. you are rainman. Try and let me know.

"Broken English".. yea.. hmm.. not sure what to say to that, Shakespeare. Actually its something others should perhaps take a closer look  :D :D

I know that he was suspicious from the i saw him at HR campaign ;D
Looks like my hunch were right after all ;)
Also before robertt appeared there was robert who got scam accusations against him too
Expect roberttt to be made soon :P

Robertt, you still have time to refund those money back before we dig in deeper for your info ;)


Whooos, he's alive and selling stuffs :P
Looks like the robert's family doesnt know when to stop

Sorry, who (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=779130)?

Nice

Before I soon hit bed, a little heads up for the rest when you little monkey get your sugar infusion and start the next wave:

http://s9.postimg.org/sr47ns873/Image_65675675.png

You are getting lazy - put some water into your face and be more creative. Thats lazy work, my friend.

Wow, that was fast and was made after all this that came into existence...
It's getting a lot interesting to see how members are taking advantage of people's stupidity and scamming them the hell out of here...
I hate it when someone gets scammed...

When's your boyfriend moahmed going to pay back his loan?
Only a few months late. I hope there was no interest on that.

So I will reply to that in your own style : You have 48 hours to pay back these people Robertt,please pay them back or you would have no idea what I can do.I have traced your location to Australia and believe me I can do worst.Pay them back while you still have time. Lmao

If you figure out how to send money via limited pp let me know,
Wow, traced me back to Australia. Check my posts for more

You know,these people can willingly accept  payment in bitcoins as well.You can stop yourself from gambling at PrimeDice or Rollin for a week or two and pay them back dude.I know this is not a big amount for you considering the bigger scams you have pulled.Or you can  ask bigger loans from one of your loan buddies who trust you blindly and somehow manage to pay back ?

I'm not asking for any loans. What bigger scams? I don't gamble on price dice or rollin, haven't in months.

Oh... I thought that you are kind.. Why you scam people here in our forum.. This is a big mistake. You help me before and you gave me 0.016 i didn't know why you gave me and what is your purpose but im really thankful that you gave me 0.016 I'm still thinking if why you rejected my repayment or exchange paypal to btc.. I hope i'm not involve in this scam accusation because i received free bitcoins from robertt.....

Did that money made you rich scumbag?

i didn't scam.

Thats why people like them exists because you guys are easily persuaded with small baits..

https://i.imgur.com/4qGemAx.gif

That act is a trip ... hats off

If you didn't then why your address which you have on your PayPal a/c doesn't match up with your real location?
As per address on your PayPal a/c you should be 8 hours behind my time zone but you're actually 14 hours behind.
Care to explain?

Why would PayPal write these statements in their e-mail to me?
https://i.imgur.com/9PzKV0H.png (https://i.imgur.com/9PzKV0H.png)

Why can't you pay me back from the BTC you're holding at this address?
https://blockchain.info/address/1JRcx6p2FcnExzppcwfxkLFJ3MupuGFLRu (https://blockchain.info/address/1JRcx6p2FcnExzppcwfxkLFJ3MupuGFLRu)

Sardasa  the 1JR is a deposit address.
Im not behind, I'm in front.

You always are  :D :D :D

You mean you are completely broke & can not arrange 0.183+0.2 BTC from your own? The debit card statement that you showed me had lot more money in that.
Edit: If your PP got limited then send them the documents that they are asking to lift the limitation or pay us back from your own money. There is no excuse to it.

Yes, if it is your own world. You were one shady little fucker when I saw you were trying to build a fake trust but I guess there are really stupid people to fall for such cheap tricks.

Don't believe what he says or types.He is a low life scum who would go heights to scam .In his above 5 comments he has lied 10 times already.I'm very sure has funds with his other addresses considering scamming is his daily routine.Also he can manage 0.18 by taking loans from any of his friends on this forum and pay them later but I guess he won't because he is what he call a low life scum piece of filthy shit.

If I take a loan, how will I get that money to pay back?
My loans previously were for business which made money. If I take one to pay, the lender loses money.

Just like you did all the previous fuckin times.You mean to say your business is done ?There is no way you can try to pay them back ?Well,this shows your intentions of never paying them back.This is all planned and you know it,anyway your account was a throwaway since day 1 ,you have 10 other alts which will continue to suck money from this forum.You started an escrow service to scam as well.Dude,you're the type of person whose balls needs to be chopped and stick them under your chin.Flithy fuck, you're going to repay every penny you scammed in life.Hope you snap your neck and die.

Oh, surprise surprise yet another person who's gone on to scam right after offering escrow. This is why these idiots should be negbombed on sight because they're either stupidly naive or an outright scammer from the getgo.

I'm trying. If I didn't care why would I still be here?
I have no fucking alts

People should check their own collars how dirty they are, before pointing their fingers and advising someone else for the same, dude...
Don't worry, he's in a big problem which is why he is not able to show here up, but you have been here, and I didn't criticize you in any means, neither did I take your name, nor did I say anything in regards to you, then why the heck are you talking BS with me like this???

Just ignore me. You're a nice guy, I'm in a bad mood right now.

Maybe this would cheer you up.
https://i.imgur.com/AXlV46p.png

Seriously not a good reason...
Even if you are in a bad mood, you should never offend anyone like this, dude...
My only advice is, remain patient unless you think you can speak something which can convince everyone...
See, due to your bad mood, you got too many negatives...

His Robertt account doesn't matter to him now. its just shame that its not even thousands of dollar but still get to scam it.
not sure if you still have the delicacy but you knew what you did is not right.

Interesting how this for 83 replies in less than a day

What is this shit? I must be really stoned, but is this a soap opera in progress? Some weird Fight Club/Sixth Sense moment? You speaking to yourself or this is your equally addicted gambling twin with loan problems?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1318061.0;all

I mean what is all this garbage? You bought this account?

http://s30.postimg.org/vybpqyaep/Image_11234234.png

http://s22.postimg.org/6mf2fzg1d/Image_1277777.png

What a comedy


Awful .. truly awful .. all of it, whatever that is, but I guess that what happens when dealing with kids.

Alright.

With this kind of trust rating he should leave bitcointalk for good,I am very disappointed with this guy I even commend him on one of his thread about being a campaign  manager,I think this guy just want to scam people in the first place and he orchestrated it nicely..

Commend him for being a signature manager? He didn't even did his job well.

he had a good start by becoming a campaign manager first on this forum,he is very active on services ,offering every kind of job to build his reputation so in the end he can scam people,he is good doing it,maybe in real life he is more good on doing this things..

This comment was too unusual to pass up on.
Then he must be a lawyer like Jimmy from better call Saul  :D

 ??? :-\ ::)


I saw this coming even before I did a trade with him like two weeks ago. About 1 week ago I was going to neg him just because. I should have at least neutral'd an all caps warning.

Sorry op.

His customers on generator are still crying

Sorry for you to get scammed

I knew it he will scam somebody someday.
He acts like hes generous but only for his own.

I just received PayPal's decision for the case.
Case resolved in my favor and PayPal did not reverse the payment :)

Glad things went well mate. It's best you lock the thread now.

Good for you  ;)

Well this is also the first time for me to read this incident and I am not quite familiar with Robertt. Thank you actually sharing this kind of feedback I am pretty sure that you can get over it. Somehow you can still earn that amount and lesson to be learned. I really hate scammers they are so bad they couldn't even think what might happen to them if this will be return back. This is a good awareness for all of us now..

I am not the one who created this thread. Let's wait OP to reply and lock the thread (assuming his payment would also not have been reversed)

Hey everyone.  GOOD NEWS!! Paypal did the right thing and denied Robertt's "unanuthorized transaction".

Email I received from paypal this morning:
"We have completed our investigation of the transaction below and were
unable to find evidence of unauthorized access to the buyer’s account. This
case was denied to the buyer and no funds were recovered from your account."

So I received my funds that were being held and Robertt is still an A$$H0LE

Take that Robertt!!