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Why is this shitcoin getting pumped and added to bitfinex?
I'm thinking about trying heroin.
I could buy that sjit for 2 dolla / corn but missed the train because that shit was centralized.

Because there are people with money pumping it making you feel it's a good investment so you and many others will jump on the bandwagon so they can sell and make profit?
I don't see ETH as anything significant but I'm sure the shills that will comment in this topic next will tell me how wrong I am and it's the best investment ever.

It's more of a bubble than your name. It will crash as all bubbles do and it will be fun.

It is pretty heartwhelming that the most uber perma bear is defending btc right now.
Thank you now I can go to bed.

i'm not going to lie to you
i'm scared.

I'm not anti-bitcoin. I'm anti-hype and I think problems should be recognized and worked on instead of ignored and left unattended.

IMHO bitcoin still has great potential.

I think its time to dump btc brothers..
Its over, Kwuckduck has spoken.
It was fun buying some dope on the darkweb but the experiment has FAILED.

ETH seems like it has some potential, but I have a feeling it is going to end up being a massive bubble and eventually collapse. There are so few things that are actually viable on it, and it seems like there is a massive lack of a user base actually interested in supporting it rather than just investing in it and then selling it all off.

OR

ETH is like bitcoin + advanced scripting language - Core devs

WE ARE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is ETH just being traded for speculation?  I still don't get what you actually use it for.  I keep hearing smart contracts but I can't see real demand being this high.

I could have made 100k dollars this month but I missed the train.
We all did brothers..
We all

And that is the fucking fault of btc developers team.
Thank you for ruining btc, they are even ruining the halving.
But I will die with all my bitcorns no matter what.
Filty rats
kpeaceoutbi

welcome to  crypto, i'll be your guide

Thanks!  What will happen when bitfinex allows you to short ETH?

poeple will short ETH at 0.04 and then 0.06 will happen

I short 77M ETH  8)

You are on to much mETH please get some help my friend.

LOL!

i will.

I believe that most alt coins are a scam. Best of luck to all the ETH supports but I'm not touching that.

Eth supporters are earger to take the crown to btc thats why they keep on pumping it like theres no tomorrow and wishing that eth will bring them fortune and fame,well it will take them centuries for them to win the battle.

Touch it by shorting it at the right time, that's my plan for Eth!

Yes it will come back for those who have missed the the current bump. If you are you good in trade you can enter now by shorting it. ETH is not an exception for bump and dump scenarios.

I can't tell a lie. I'm outraged and confused about it. And kind of sleepy. :(

funny thing is that they are only pumping it to have more amount of bitcoin in their wallet

i doubt anyone of them investing in ethereum is doing it because he believe in the coin

don't make me laugh it's all about increase your bitcoin stash

I like the sentiment in this thread. Early-adopter-denialism in its purest form. LOL

P.S. I expect the crypto ecosystem to grow to 45 billion this year. Bitcoin however will only represent 1/3 to 1/2 of the marketcap!
P.P.S. Ethereum is in a much to clear bubble - it will rally on for a little bit and crash hard - expecting a second bubble in late 2016.

You know I'm down for THAT. 8)

Of course it will clash for sure, all alt coins looks like thing for others to manipulate price so they'll get money, i don't think that etherium is diffrent, looks really same like other new alt coins

Girls doing things, those watching... suspect nothing.

No matter if the price gets pumped to 0.05BTC or dumped down to 0.01BTC again, the real winner is Vitalik and his clan, and some whales behind that. And don't forget Poloniex. They have been generating at least 100BTC per day only from fees. Not bad isn't it?

All of this is because of small blockists

Come on dude!
You know that this is a shitty comment right?!
Blocksize has nothing to do with that.
And when people realize that Ethereum is much difficult to scale than Bitcoin is I wanna see how they react each other in terms of solutions to that.
Ethereum gets pumped like crazy and a few ones will be the winner when it starts to dive.

Imo it is all about accumulating more and more Bitcoin for the long run.Ethereum will not be the new no.1 crypto.
I can not see this happen sorry.
But definitely congratz to the guys who are riding this train.Get out in time and enjoy your profits. ;)

Congratz. You just described the view of the 99.99% on bitcoin.

Yeah yeah!
As I said enjoy your wave.Really!
Bitcoin's roadmap is out and clear.The ones who switch to alts because they gave up might regret that in the next few months.
I say let's wait and see.
However I prefer to hold the BTC I have. :)

I have to admit, it's an insane ETH pump all together. Didn't see it coming that it's so easy to create money just out of air.

But that's crypto sometimes, I guess.

Lel who cares, the smart money will cash out to Bitcoin eventually

PSA: I boarded the Ethereum train @ $0.8 - and declare my exit now. I will re-invest later (after the dump) - expecting Ethereum to be on par with bitcoin in late 2016.

I think you are right. For its potential there is no need to go up this fast, that is only speculation.

+1

Small blockists are evil.

This topic belongs to altcoins discussions. :-\

I don't believe anything related to ETH. This is very good coordinated HYPE and nothing more.
 I congratulate those who are smart and earned their money and exited on time.

It's the establishment playing 'divide et impera'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

And how did you come to this conclusion?

Fantasy.

It most likely WILL be a bubble. As soon as it reaches a high enough price, the investors will start dumping. I don't think that it has as much of a community backing as Bitcoin, which still has potential. The good thing about Ethereum is that it's allowed even more support to come to the cryptocurrency scene, and it could attract investors to both Ethereum and Bitcoin.

It already IS a bubble.
Look at the chart!
The question is only when it will burst.

Maybe it ain't finished bubbling yet. I'd say there are a lot of questions. I'd personally like to know where all this money is coming from.

hahaha lol, shitcoin :))) yeah you deserve heroin od if you think like that.

Yep. "If you can't beat em, join em"

And by join em, i mean exploit the weakness of the community: greed. Just look at ethereum. No privacy, no freedom, no separation from the corporate world. The whole entire crypto community is being honeydicked. ETH can suck a fat nut. If it takes over, I will say goodbye to crypto which makes me a sad panda.

Ransomware? It's ransomware, isn't it.

This is why it has been told many-a-times to users to just "INVEST WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE", as this is virtual world, and you really don't know what you will be seeing the next minute...

Altcoins are nothing but bubbles which burst with the time, and this one's the latest example... ;)

I agree that ETH is being pumped excessively and as all bubbles it will go into the crash phase. A big one. After that we will see the real potential of ETH.

So much bitterness and negativity in this thread.
You gentlemen just can't lose gracefully, can you? Just can't stand to see the other fellow win.

i definitely can not agree the price will soon be dumped down because it was just a pump to earn some money from the other people

then i will buy some ethereum and wait for a price increase once again in order to make some money out of it, thats how i do my trading

It´s because big investors are scared as fuck about the actual situation a private company "blockstream" controlling the most of the dev core team and developing bitcoin core in favor of blockstream company (no blocksize increase, no democratic vote system about new features..).

You should take a look on reddit.com/r/btc and

Read this: https://i.imgur.com/woLsKVr.gif

True, this seems too good to be true kind of an opportunity, which it actually is...
It's just the same old-school "altcoin" P&D scheme, where everyone's just focusing on making money, innovations and features doesn't matter, everyone wants their bags filled...
I will also wait for the day it comes back down to the level where it was, then will surely buy some... ;)

The train is still moving up. Don't worry

As opposed to Bitcoin?

Don't be scared of change, embrace it.

I'll narrow it down for you.

It's either Bob Surplus or Mario Draghi  ;)

what other coins have reached the $1B mark? ripple? LTC?

It can't be Bob. We go way back. He would have told me.

Not missed yet, don't forget that bitcoin was also $14 at one time and at that time people also thought that it would be impossible to go higher.

LOL, im fucking flattered, but I have not even close to the amount of money needed for this kinda shit....
I'll tell you what's likely and very possible though...
The eth team themselves are pumping this.....
Think about it, the sold out all their 15M in btc well above the $500 range, bought back during the $200-$300 range bottom, and are using all them btc to pump the shit outa eth now.

Well it did go higher (and then went lower), but not 17x gain in 4 weeks  ;)

Missed or not, it's suicidal to buy into this now. Markets behave like this when someone's playing with them.

Im buying now, but holding for the long term, I'll buy more as it comes down, and but more as it rises, truthfully, I think eth has a good chance of being a real problem for bitcoin and its value.
But I wont sell all my btc for eth, just some because surely btc is not done yet.

But would'nt that be a bit short sighted of them ? All they'll do is totally toxify the asset.

It did occur to me that someone was planning exactly that - pump it to high heaven and then dump it to death, but I wouldn't have thought the team themselves would want to do that. More like a bank that had something to loose from its success (or crypto's in general).

Good luck. I've still got some in (about a quarter of my original stash) but I'm not buying. The emission is phenomenal. Even if it held its current marketcap, the price would have to tank by about 20%-30%. The finale is Monday - thats when the big launch is. Watch out for the news being sold.

Truthfully, I hope to sell the top and buy back lower but I dont think monday is the day.... If you read the finnex post you'll notice that the wording is indicative of more pumpage needed to lock down margin trading on finnex.

I think we have more like 10-20 days or so till this bubble pops. Not monday though. Needs time to build the books on finnex and get the trading volume up.

I am Lord of the light against the darkness of the Bob and will always try and bring him down every chance I get. In this case he does not speak with forked tongue. Only fools would miss the chance to buy in to ETH now. There are many fools on this forum posting from 2011 who even back then didn't buy in to BTC. They punish themselves daily by still posting here carrying that heavy load of regret on their shoulders. Don't be one of them.

Oh hey emmit!! How's it hanging?

This can't be a "natural" movement, today in the morning there was less than a half of the volume in Poloniex and the price was ~0.026... now in a matter of hours it became +18% worth... c'mon, Bitcoin had some moments of up and down but not like this... everytime it was moved by some fact widely reported... this ETH pumps are getting shameful. I like ETH and I bought a lof of them (100) in January, but it's becoming clearly that something or someone behind curtains is/are moving the currency from a "place" (or a "level") to "another" artificialy. This is not good at all.

sell now bro, thats what the MM want you to do, so they can get your coin and bring it to 0.1 :D

Bob, you're our resident pump and dump expert. What are the mechanics of this thing? How much money was involved? Who were the big players?

lol, I wish i knew. All I know is a lot of money is involved and the players are huge.

'Course, I already sold it... I don't believe this kinda thing is a natural movement. And if it can be so manipulated as it seems now, I quit and feel lot better than participating this non-sense "stuff" of pump and dump. I definitely believe that only acceptance can make a currency strong or even "real". All th other things (to me) looks like some sort of "scam" or a p.a.d situation. If I'm wrong, f*** that, I paid little money is this sh** two months ago... I'm looking into dapp and nothing has changed, there are tons of good "future" projects, but this fuel project running in germany is not sufficient to keep ETH in a pedestal like many people are doing. Etherium has it's own potential, but I know the BTC blockchain very well and I know it's very, very powerful to be affected by some non-sustainable currency, or a newborn "coin".

edit: in 5 minutes, ETH volumes changed from ~72K to 67K... look at the size of transactions that are been made from a side to another in a blink, what's that mean? Not even the craziest gambling thing, neither some surrealistic project can make people change tons of money to one side then return to another so quick... like a user here said in this thread, they "Just want to make money", and f*** the whole system. It's a pity! ETH s cool, but some guys are outraging it.

That is just made up conspiracy and more likely with sentiments as base & for that to happen they must be involved in the bitcoin pump as well ? However, I too think there are not many people with that amount of money and the one big exchange is doing as it should.Could be wrong though.

Ether is dead.

There are lots of altcoins that had a sharp price increase in the past. ETH is not the first one.

If you compare the initial price of ETH and that of some other altcoins (PPC, for example), profit for ETH holders is still far from the values obtained investing in these other cryptocurrencies. Eth hit a low of 0.002x BTC shortly after release, and is now approaching 0.04 (about 15-20x). A good profit, but many altcoins had more.

LTC, yes--it YOLO'ed during bitcoin's biggest bubble thanks to China!
Ripple--I don't think so, although it actually surpassed bitcoin's market cap in 2012, though given their distribution, it was meaningless.

LoL !

Interpretation for the blind: Hold just a bit longer till I accumulate a bit more and dump my mightily stuffed bags on you all  :D

You were the guy that said Ethereum will never break .01 in another thread I just finished reading. Keep up the great predictions. :)

Trying to jump on the running train is the worst you can do. Usually you become the bag holder and nobody wants to buy it back from you at the price you paid. It is not worth to chase the price, there are many different opportunities around each corner.

I bought a little bit or should say was cohered to when Cryptsy fell. At first I thought I paid too much as the price sank but now I am glad I held on. I am worried when the coin goes pure PoS. I hope the devs don't screw up the coin more. What I don't understand is why they aren't making the wallet easier to install. As the price for ETH is insanely high for coin that doesn't have a wallet setup and ready out of the box.

Now is this what people said about bitcoin back when it was $5?  You just can't predict these things sometimes and it may indeed not be too late to jump on the bandwagon.

lol missed the train what?????

the train is only taking us to the rocketship docking station.
Get your moon boots ready.

0.036 soon to be 0.04

This is exactly what I feel, maybe Ethereum is nothing but the latest in a long string of pump and dump alts, but you just never know. BTC has tons of history you can go back and read many forum posts here and elsewhere. In a lot of cases, you could read an old post on BTC and simply substitute ETH for BTC and think you are reading recent comments. There were a ton of gloom and doomers, "get out when you can" types, as well as fanciful "Bitcoin will be 1 million dollars" posts, just like there are now with Ethereum.

The latest version of the Mist wallet https://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases is pretty much ready to go out of the box.

everyone is comparing the eth pump to other pumps and dump alts..

please... people...

tell me the last time you saw 300K+ btc weekly volume on any altcoin?
EVER!

This is a different beast, one that is only here because of the paths that bitcoin paved.

But bitcoin is dying, or so it seems and Im going almost all on on eth...

fuck me!!!
Braaaaaaap!

thank you eth-pumpers. reminding us how crypto-illiterates/fiat believers feel, everytime when bitcoin is mentioned in their economics-magazine.



oh, btw:


when i saw this headline: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/13/central-banks-beat-bitcoin-at-own-game-with-rival-supercurrency/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/13/central-banks-beat-bitcoin-at-own-game-with-rival-supercurrency/)

i feared that the eth shit had really hit the fan.  :D

Source?

LOL, the BOE is pure jokes.. Id like to see them try. Its gotta be decentralized. No other option.

believe it or not
eth will dump very hard soon :D

 :D

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My point is that at this stage if you are not on board, the risk/reward ratio may be simply not attractive any more. At least for me.
I may be wrong, but I prefer to miss one opportunity, rather than got burned.
There are plenty opportunities around, thus why not jumping when the time is due.
PS. I agree that volume on ETH is exceptional, bringing back good (and bad) memories from the early days of altcoins.

Well, I'm doing something similar with Factom - only, my holding period is years. Call me whatever, but Factom has a straightforward use case that's already being sold.

But that's just me. I can see someone using Etherium (or an ETH clone) as a kind of savings account to HODL profits or savings from the fiat world. In fact, I have ~5000 Shift (SHF) that's essentially free coins because I sold half after a double. Bought ~10'000 below 500 satoshis, sold 5000 above 10'000 satoshis, so I'm HODLing with house money.

I admit that, dollar-wise, my bag isn't that much - but it is exciting to have skin in the game. :)

In the larger scheme of things, something like that was inevitable. When you meet the mainstream, you meet the demands of the mainstream. :-\

Still, that story is proof positive that the blockchain revolution has succeeded technically.

You have 0.5 BTC invested and you think your opinion is worth anything there  ???

Unless you have more than lunch money invested, you have no risk thus you have no need to be cautious.

I think if we start investing in Ethereum now, it is not too late. The price shall rise in the future when it is developed properly.

That drop, time to buy some more :)

Take profit now and buy back under $10.

WTS 4 ETH @ 0.1 btc each, please PM

Why do not you sell at an exchange? It will take less hassle and more secure. Do you want to be anonymous?

each eth is 0.025, so... what's the difference...  btw, it's a great idea to buy some eth now,  I mean, today, because it looks like a "falling day"... and today is this, tomorrow it could be 0.03, and if you put lotta btc in this game, you can earn lot of money, like 16, 18%...

I think there is no difference if the price changes from 0.029 to 0.027. That is normal price action.

You missed the Train OP when it was launched mid-2014
and the dev's bought a million plus dollars worth.
Users spotted fishy behavior as it launched BEFORE they pushed their 2014 hype campaign.
Info was posted on my 2014 "ETH = Scam" topic..

It was a setup and was put on hold until now.
Most of the loud ETH supporters here didn't even have an account here in 2014
let alone them knowing about it's scammy launch.

Train was already gone on launch minute 1 on IPO day when dev's bought their own coins in 2014

But who cares if you might be able to make a bit of BTC off it right?

The difference is, people now know that Crypto is worth something. In addition, you now have wall street guys speculating on ETH because their companies are using the technology. You cannot compare an ETH bubble in 2015 to a BTC bubble in 2011, because crypto is in a very different place and ETH is a very credible competing platform to BTC.

Makes me wonder if some Wall Street whiz is going to launch an Ethereum ETF...

Funny, I was kinda expecting a crash already, but it's just stagnating--just like bitcoin is. 

OP, don't try heroin.  I know you're not serious but still.  Try ETH if you have to, it might produce a modicum of euphoria if it skyrockets.

The hype is before ETH's use becomes widespread.
An bubble is what it is, its true price will become known once the hype dies down.

How low you are going to fud this? I mean we managed to make it a pretty low, should I buy now or fud a bit more and wait 0.02?

Ethereum has exhibited an amazing and explosive growth like no other cryptocurrency. Naturally, such a rally invites criticism from traders, proponents and competitors alike, and indeed Ethereum has been accused of being a pump and dump scheme.

Here's a novel idea, maybe rather than pissing in each others cheerios, we consider maybe both will be successful.

Looks like the original post was made on March 12th.

That means ETH has dropped about 25% in value.

That is one train I'm glad I missed.

maybe there will be the next train..

Not really, the train left when it was valued at 75c.
Obviously there will be some variation at the peak, but nobody can be happy that they missed the train.

vitlalick must be on vacation because he can't figure out how the miners make so many coins.

Highly unlikely unless ETH will start all over again. Dream on!

ETH will retest .021 again.

If price of Etheruem has dropped to 0.023. So if you still want to catch the train, there is still chance.

Now it's 0,022. If you want to catch the train. Now's the time to do it since the price dropped a lot.

Time to buy ETH  ;D ;D ;D new train is coming

The price of Etheruem is dropping now. So if you have confidence in Ethereum, you can buy it now.

I might buy it sub 1 dollar.

Waves.

yeah, currently the price is going down and will go down untill people having focus on bitcoin, and whenever people are freed from halving profit and they redirect to other coins the ethereum will be the next to give a huge profit to the public.

That could happen. The Ethereum price is dropping against the bitcoin at the moment. Maybe after some time, it will rise again.

I might buy it sub 1 dollar.
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I will do the same and hope it reaches $10 USD again.

Why did you not buy it when it was under $1 a few months ago? Yes, that is right, you missed the train 8)
The next train may crash.

Yes those ICO coins have expiration date so you must read small letters at the end.
Now everybody waiting for LISK and this will be next good pump this year.

I bought some ETH coin but sold way to fast (at 3 dollar). My mistake was not only the quick sellling, but to buy too less eth in the first place.
The whitepaper was very convincing so i am not happy i bought so less coins.

The Ethereum price is rising again. If you do not buy now, you might miss the train again. But it could also be a dead cat bounce.

I sold my all ethers yesterday at 0.019 BTC... that's why it has started to rise again! ;)

I missed the ETH train too but I have my own digital currency and am mainly focusing on backing it with investments and bullion as I want to create some real intrinsic value as many coins are just for pumping and dumping so I don't like to follow hyped up stuff but it may have some good funtion technologically wise.

Just think of all the heroin you coulda buyed wit dem profits wigga

Augur before lisk

I'm interested how good will be pumped LISK, now when many ETH investors taking profit, that will probably try to catch this train also. It is right time before halving. Maybe we even have enough time for yet another ICO?

The train in slowing down as it approaches the next station to let people off and allow new people to get on board. I am not sure exactly when or where this new station will appear, but it will probably charge around 0.01 BTC/ticket to get on the train.

Its destination from there? Up a mountain. The question is will it successfully make it up the mountain with its many peaks and valleys, switchbacks, and treacherous tracks along the way, or will it run off the rails, or be buried in an avalanche? Many possibilities, both good and bad, but it is sure to be an exciting ride.

Maybe the train will come to a full stop ?

the train has slowed down and sooner will come to the stop, as a time is coming soon when the price of ethereum will be at less than $5 and mabe it reach to $1.

The price of Ethereum has dropped recently. It is about 0.0185 now. If it drops further, I might buy some.

Apparently you do not believe it was a manipulative scammy cash grab.
why would you buy them at ANY price ?

What is wrong with you people ?

"Taking Profit"

What a fucking joke.. all you scammy ass cunts are pathetic.

All you cancer head profiteer IPO investards deserve to get burned hard.

You people are actually fucking retarded and are actually blind with selfish greed.
And i really hope karma takes a huge massive chomp out of your dumb fucking ass's.

I have little respect for any of you Altcorn tardlets.

I hear the same dumb ass retarded logic for why it's ok to support an IPO pyramid scheme.
Such as ?
The people behind it are working hard.

So if you do a good job PUSHING your scam it's ok to take part ?

Drown assholes.. enjoy your IPO shit coins and the repercussions of your stupid greedy actions.
You guys disgust me.

the Ethereum train has been running on lies from the beginning and every single rise was because of the lies and the falls was because of the dumps which the big bag holders were doing little by little.
not that i am complaining though, i have been trying my best to catch the rises before happening to get in and out quickly. i am just saying everybody should do the same instead of thinking anything more about this coin.

The development of the Ethereum is quite active. There are several versions of the software coming out.

Inflation in ETH about to get the upper hand over the market.
This has potential to drop 99% from here.

I was sarcastic, but you dude have a serious problem i believe! You are anti everything..  You have red trust "Abusing trust." and you talking here about truth and justice, who is pathetic?!

If EHT truly was promising, it's founder and CEO vitalik wouldnt have sold 25% of his stake for a new Ferarri. I think we are all overrating him, I dont see his genius, only bandaid algorithms that lack creativity.

the ethereum big ass train has already ran out of steam and now it is just falling down to the depth.
even the developer is dumping his coins and getting out of the train before it is too late.

as much as i love to see this dead cat bounce back i doubt if the bounces are any good.

This train is gonna double bottom between $3.50 and $1.50 IMO.

This here is one of my favorite long term charts and might hold for any limited & value storing coin.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/8ss69KFu-Perfect-Bubble-in-the-making/

So you see how long it usually take to bottom out and start new bubbles. Still this needs full bootstrapping of the coin and uniqueness as well. Exactly this is already lacking ETH, since Synereo, Expanse, BTS, Lisk and Rootstock (...?) will all try to get this marketshare as well....

Will there really be something like a healthy growth?

Yeah, it's a nice chart...but as with a lot of chart stuff, its lesson is only conveyed with the aid of Captain Hindsight.

ETH train is so generous... For those who missed it is coming back to pick you up. :D

That is right. When the price drops below $5, I will buy some and wait for the price to rise to new highs.

Heroin is a lot more than $2

Sub $1 would crush a lot of souls.  :P

not impossible if vitalik decides to sell his remaining stash

Maybe it is time to reload on ETH:

I think ETH will go down further if BTC continue its rally.

let's see if this prediction works out, I hope it will  ::)

Any time frame ? because right now altcoin scene is a proper blood bath.

ETH appears to be basing while BTC is rising. Once the BTC rally fizzles at $500ish:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg14681667#msg14681667

Yes, I may agree with you on that. It is plausible that some profits made from btc rise could jump into ETH as it is generally the case in the global altcoin scene. Nonetheless, hard to speculate where btc will stop. Many tried until now and got burned. Non saying that we are raising on kind of a low volume, so what if the volume suddently increase, which direction ?

EDIT: just being curious there. I won't sell my btc for a very very long time.

@TPTB: I have a theory regarding ETH. We all thought wallstreets would wake up to BTC at some point and they would end up buying it from us. We all thought we were front running them. What if Wallstreet has another strategy ? they back coins such as ETH, and use their enormous positions to pump the price to agitate greed inside us so we give them our rare btcs for their unlimited eth ?

Excellent! Yeah the game theory is complex.

I've been scooping up a little and putting them out on Polo's Lending market. For the most part, the rates are pretty good.

I have a simpler theory. Ethereum giving their forum the heave-ho was a signal that they're going after outright start-ups & flogging Ethereum as a platform for them. In other words, they're hoping to form alliances with firms like Augur instead of building & maintaining the grassroots. They're also working the mainstream business press and getting some attention there. Their goal seems to be for ETH to become synonymous with "blockchain."

Earlier today, I found an article on the Cisco Network which depicts a Brooklyn start-up that aims to create a decentralized alternate grid for solar-power generators, who as of now are obliged to shut down their solar thingies when the grid goes down - as it did after Hurricane Sandy - because otherwise the still-up parts of the grid would be juiced & dangerous to the emergency repairfolks trying to restore it. Their startup in question is called LO3 Energy and it plans to use Ethereum now that it's struck an alliance with Consensus Systems and come up with a thingie called the Transactive Grid.

Here's the write-up: https://newsroom.cisco.com/feature-content?type=webcontent&articleId=1756804

Would you say that "blockchain" becoming a buzzword presents a new game-theoretic challenge? When ya think about it, the word "blockchain" is both abstract and agnostic as to the associated cryptocurrency. If Ethereum succeeds in its hustle-the-startups plan, the financial press will fall into the habit of treating Ethereum as a metonymy for "blockchain." If they succeed, that is. 

Vitalikhisnutz sold his shares because eth is a joke along with Augur and all you pimple faced kids

yeah, I am also of the view that with the rise of bitcoin price, ethereum will go more down so te train is not missed and coming back to the station, I will wait for the price to come down and after that I will try to buy some coins as I think the price within a few months will come back to $1.

I guess the train moving backwards until the halving so people still have another chance in getting on the train.

I have got some ETH that I could lend but I personnaly don't find the rates interesting against the risk of lending. For the moment, lending around 200 days would only get you around 2%... So why are you lending ?? ???

You really think that eth can make it? One more train like previous one is hard to happen if you ask me, with dev selling his coins and some of team members i doubt they will have enough strength to make it one more time.

Yes its going down, but I don't see any reason that to change. News I hear in last few days are just bad, nothing good. Maybe we need to abandon this sinking ship. I have some coins and I keep them but each day that is more and more risky thing to do.

Today I heard nice news about dash, maybe I need to sell eth and buy dash. Its look very promising.

So we should buy now, when the price reaches $15, we will sell. That is quite easy profit to make for us.

Getting tired of this false HYPE over them selling coins - this was announced way before it happened then all of a sudden people are acting like it is new news and a big deal.  ::)

Either way even Eth is still doing great.

I totally agree with you, when you have such a big rise of 1000%, it seems obvious that the correction will be consequent. But maybe such a huge correction can impact negatively the price and hype of eth.

The price just droppped 50% against Bitcoin. So there might be a possibility that the price will drop further.

It looks like you've used a simple-interest calculation. Try this algo:

Annual Rate = (1 + daily rate)^365 - 1
Eg: Annual Rate = (1.0002)^365 - 1 = 1.0757- 1 = 7.57%.

So...if you can snag 0.02% per day, day after day, you'd make 7.57% over a year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_interest

I think we can only count few than 365 days a year. We will not be able to lend our money out every day.

Huge correction? We are still over $7!
That is 7x what we were a few months back. People seem to forget that.

haha, that's true, the hype is still alive with some hopeless bag holders who are trying to get rid of their coins with smallest amount of loss. there is still a long way to go down.

You did not miss the train. The price dropped to 0.015 a few days ago. If you bought, you were in the train.

The rise will continue.  Look for ETH liquidity to dry up as the DAO/slock.it ICO contract sucks up a bunch of ETH.

If you're a train rider, this is your chance.  Close to two weeks from now the 1eth/100DAO tokens breaks and starts to increase.  May 27th will be a frenzy as it's the end of the ICO.  0.04?  0.05?

Markets say BTC being coverted into ETH to buy DAO.

DAO needs ETH to function. No surprises what this will do long term to ETH price.

Does it mean the Ethereum will circulate in the DAO system and will not be released to the market later?

Thoese Ethereum will be used in the Ethereum network by the DAO. It will not be sold to the market again.

Good point, as a result it will boost the value of Ethereum in return.

Yes because a good healthy chunk is locked away from the market so supply will be restricted and with each successful DAO then demand will rises. It's win win for ETH holders.

ETH train started again

The price is rising again. We do not know when it will stop. Maybe it is good time to buy some just in case we miss the train again.

The price is good now to buy more to double your holdings comparing to what price it will be in x months time. This is the last call before departure.

The Ethereum price is 0.022 now. It is in the top of the trading range. If it breaks it, the price will be much higher.

Looks like ETH train has just started.

The price is rising again. But if the price does not go over 0.03, I think the train is still in the same place.

The Ethereum price has risen to 1 month high, similar price to two weeks ago. But it is not rising at the moment.

It can't exponentially rise forever. That's a bubble. ETH is a market. So expect ups and downs FFS.

The price is hovering around the 0.024 now. If it drops below 0.02, I might buy some to buy into DAO.

Well you've got less than 24 hours until the first DAO price hike so you may miss out.

Does it mean few people will buy after the price hike? That could reduce the attractiveness of the Eth.

There is will time where price of ethereum going down and if it happen that is time for buy ethereum and hold. Don't missed for second time again.

I am doing some range trading at the moment. If it drops below 0.019, I will buy, if it is higher than 0.023, I will sell.

That is what i mean, so there are not missed train. Because price of ethereum is fluctuating.

Once the DAO is over, I think the price will go down.
Now will be a good time to do margin trading.

Do you  mean borrow the Etheruem and sell short? The DAO can absorb 15 million Etheruem, it is better not to short.

LISK train is starting tomorrow  ;)

ETH made it to the moon. Moon Report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhhSB5PFQkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhhSB5PFQkY)

I think it is better for the Ethereum/bitcoin to consolidate around the 0.03 level for a few months.

It might drop to 0.02 or around $8 and consolidate there. It will make many people not mine it.

I sell ETH me when the price goes up, and it made me a profit. unfortunately I only have a little amount of ETH upon itul. I guess if the price drops ETH, I will buy more from the previous

ETH even can drop until $5 or even more. Just my two cents.

That will happen only when the developers desert the Ethereum and there is no actual usage of it.

LMFAO! Wtf did I just watch?

The price has dropped to 0.023 now, so if you do not have some Ethereum, you can buy now or wait a bit longer.

I think the next BIG train will be WAVES. The marketcap is now about 8 million dollar.

And i bet this coin can easy start with a 80 million marketcap right from the start.

The ico will be closed in 5 days.

Haha would if could...no free funds around right now.

LOL WTF  :D :D

It will get a bit cheaper, trust me. I don't think it has found a floor yet. When it crashes, I will be there to pick it up.

Join me.

Now it's time for lisk train. ;D

Yeah it will back again in 0.01 sooner just like before..and it will reduce more in block halving.. and i heard ethereum will be scam coin sooner..

We'll see. As soon as I've got the funds, I'll join in  :)

The floor will be around 0.015 or a bit lower. The price did not drop below 0.015 in the last two months.

I agree, this was the last floor, I think the psychological support will be there so that it doesn't get too much lower than that, unless someone big panics and dumps near the bottom, or something bad happens (bug, ddos like the lisk ipo, etc). But everyone seems to be expecting .015, so that will most likely be the bottom.

I have an 30 ETH when its on lowest price and you can get .01 per hour faucet but i gave that all to my friend cause i think that one is a trash but now it price was high it was a big mistake to gave my ETH to my friend and my friend now have bigger btc balance than me because of that haha. and he never gave me even small as a thank you for giving ETH to him

Take that guy off your list of friends  ;) ;D

That is just business. There is no friend in business. If you treat him as your friend, do not give Eth to him.

The market did not agree with what you think. It is very strange that the price is still over 0.025 after the DAO.

The price is $13

Dont cry that much ... look at Bitcoin chart and u will understand that u will buy at a good price one day .

Every good project need a little time to be "Best cryptocoin"

That is true even trains need to stop boarding.

The Ethereum price is surprising strong. It did not crash more than 50% after the listing of DAO.

Why do people keep spreading this disgusting FUD that the price would crash after the DAO? Don't they understand that the DAO has essentially locked away a very large healthy chunk of the ETH from the market? Thus if you have reduced supply with the same or increased demand you'll get increased prices. The time for cheap ETH is over. If you want to get on the ETH train you'll need to buy at current prices to get a bargain.

Girl, you're gonna miss a lot more than the ETH train!

You are right. The recent price performance is much better than I expected. I  might buy some soon.

There is quite strong support for the Ethereum price. So the price could rise high in the next few months.

Support typically means that the price meets resistance when it gets to a certain level. I can see support keeping the price above x, but not making the price rise to y.

The current support level is the $10. If that is breached, it will test the next support level, which is $7.

I think the price is very stable at the moment. It is even not profitable for day traders. That is a good sign.

Yup, the support of Ethereum is pretty strong. They won't let it go down, if in case it's value decreases, they would pump it again. The value has doubled once again, I remember it was $7 few weeks back.

I think the development of the Ethereum is at the beginning. Who invest in it, will reap many fruits, years ahead.

We did not miss the Etheruem train. The price is still just $14. I think it will rise a lot when more applications appear.

ETH will drop to 0.0019 soon.
The current price of 14USD is too expensive for such a worthless token.
Sell you ETH now and lock in your profits to buy back at 0.019.

Yep, no money to invest on mining hardware  :-[ Hope somebody hire me. I dont use drugs...

Do you mean 0.0019 or 0.019? 0.0019 is impossible. I am happy for the price to drop to 0.019 and buy a lot.

If the price drops to 0.0019, that could indicate the Etheruem is a dead coin. Many people will lose money.

I think the reasonable price of Ethereum relative to the bitcoin is between 0.01 to 0.05, depending on the usage.

That range is quite big. But it is difficult to know the relative performance of the Ethuerem and the bitcoin.

The Ethereum price is consolidating at the moment after the big rise recently. It could rise again in the future.

i agree, the ethereum train has been going up and down so many times. i haven't caught all the rises but i could make some profit from it.

this time if the price goes more down i will hop on again to gain some more profit from ethereum while it is still being pumped and dumped.

If the price drops below $11 again, I will buy some Ethereum. I missed the buy last time when it pushed to $14.

Switch to POS. You dont need mining hardware. After you can buy ETH if you want.

If you check the price of many PoS coins, they are going lower and lower. Free money from PoS will suppress the price.

The Ethereum price is rising again. If you do not buy now, you might miss the train again. It is still low against bitcoin.

this is the last call for the train departure. Now or never gents. Jump on while it's still feasible.

I think so. The price of Ethereum is rising quite fast at the moment. It is fast  approaching $20 each coin.

The price just dropped to $16 now. I believe it has risen too fast. It needs a few weeks of correction at least.

The Etheruem price is $19.5 at the moment. It is in good demand. That is even after the DAO listing.

Wrong again.

Price went up to $19.90 on polo.  Current price $19.30

Ethereum deniers will remain poor

The Ethereum price is really high, Unlike other altcoins, it rise in the same pace as the bitcoin. It is very resuring.

Lets see how long it holds?

It did not hold long. The price is about $11 now. That is after the recent DAO hacking. the price is better than expected.

The Ethereum price is 12.6 dollars now. It is much higher than the below 10 price. Is there any reason for the rise?

Yes the anti-hype generated by the BTC shills has gone and everyone's realised that Ethereum is still a fantastic tech.

It is quite amazing, the price recover so quickly. And the price of bitcoin dropped a lot, but the Eth did not drop with it.

I think for the small investors like me, it is better to sit on the side lines. Only big whales can make money.

The price turns very fast. A day or two ago, there were many trolls about the Ethereum. After the price rise, most of them disappeared.

Yes the Spoetniktards BTC goon shills usually drop off the radar anytime ETH is doing well. Which is more reason to invest in ETH and keep these here forums clean of their tardshite.

The bitcoin price dropped over 10% today, so we shall see less of him in the Ethereum threads? Ethereum is still young.

That is right. The Etheruem is still young. It is still growing. Its situation is similar to the bitcoin in 2010.

But some people are inpatient about the slow progress of the Ethereum and some people want it destroyed.

There are a few trolls from the bitcoin and the Monero community to say many bad things about the Eth.

Its kinda easy to pick on eth right now, and when you see a thread title that obviously doesn't reflect reality, there is a strong chance ut might be powered by troll energy. I only clicked on this thread because cause we obviously "didn't miss the eth train". Maybe it's on a circular track..

I think the Ethereum will trade around the $10 level for the next few weeks. so there is plenty of time to buy.

Methinks we are going to see distincly sub 10 prices after the fork is implemented, but given the relative stability of the price throughout all this fiasco, I don't expect it to go sub 8. But, we will be in 10 territory for a while.

If there is one thing we can depend on, it's the persistence of eth holders :)

ETH is a long term hodl. It should be for all investors.

The DAO fiasco has most people having second thoughts about that.
The debate about forking wasn't handled well either.

And the undefined inflation schedule is a non-trivial issue. I still can't get a straight answer about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3hz1ou/misinformation_about_eth_supply_and_inflation_rate/

I  saw votes in the pools. so people can vote there. In terms of debate, many Etheruem trolls do not have Ethererum, but they debate.

Most the Etherum holders and miners vote for the hard fork. We will know if the transition is smooth soon.

ETH trolls don't debate. They FUD and hate.

I think it waste their lives to troll. If they do not like the hard fork, they can invest in miners and mine the Etheruem Classic.

ETH engine are warming up  ?? or a quick profit chance ? if you check the bittrex walls someone is trying to supress the price..

I think the Etheruem price could rise a few more days. So you can buy a little now and sell in a few days.

im already in for that purpose since .016 , but my main stash was bought back then where 1 ETH costs .002  ;D

For ethereum , everyone is happy with hard fork that with it it will get a new life, but I will say that we have to wait a little more and not have to worry , when the price go higher and it start to be used for normal use then we have to think to invest in there.

That is right. The Ethereum price is trading around 0.0185 at the moment. When the DAO is returned, there could be a small dump.

The Ethereum price is still low. If you buy some now, it could rise to very high level in the next few years.

The price is $15 now. It is almost 40% higher than the prefork price. Where are the dumps from the DAO holders?

I was a DAO hodler and my ETH has been returned to my ETH wallet in full. I am long on ETH so won't be selling.

DAO holders will never dump, most people who invested in dao invested a small part of their ether stash, and if they dumped, they did it long ago when the price crashed after the dao panic sell. Now dao holders don't have any reason to sell the ether they just got back.

When the DAO returned to your wallet, did you get 100% of your original Ethereum back? I remember for the early investors, they get more DAO for each Eth.

Correct. I got the exact same I invested. No more no less, and I was an early day one investor.

They have every reason to dump now, bitcoin price has risen greatly since everyone decided to invest in the dao. in my opinion its just a matter of time before all that eth is dumped back on the market and price plummets. I feel like im going around fudding eth to death but its kind of obvious that this is going to happen sooner or later. Id take this oportunity to get out while the price is decent.

DAO investors would have dumped their extra ETH by now. And most DAO has already been converted back into ETH. DAO hodlers are also ETH hodlers so no reason to dump on themselves.

They wouldnt be dumping on themselves though, they would be escaping the market which only so many people are going to be able to do nefore the price drops down and people are exiting at a loss. Id imagine since eth was a fair bit higher beofre the crash that a lot of people are wanting to wait untill they can break even or maybe exit with a profit. But what do i know, i could be wrong and eth will knock btc off the top spot and become the no1 coin at $100 a coin.

My point is ETH investors have had a full month since the DAO attack to offload. Some did and the price corrected. Now ETH and DAO hodlers have had 5 days since the HF to reclaim their ETH and offload. Some may have done but the sentiment after the successful HF is that ETH is now stronger for it. The community the devs the hodlers the believers have all come together in consensus. I know it's not what the haters want to see and hear but really we have to face facts. People believe in Ethereum.

That also means the ETC might exist for 2 more days before it is dumped to death by the DAO hacker.

If you miss the ETH train, you might invest in the ETC. But you have to exit before the DAO attacker attack again.

This. Just this.

If the DAO hacker is part of the ETC promoter, then he might dump his ETC, but other big holders could dump/

Its gotta be the same guy. Who else would it be?

Some bitcoiners who invested in the bitcoin before. Some comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4va2y8/is_barry_silbert_deliberately_trying_to_deceive/?st=ir91nrb8&sh=4408d5f4

These guys are quite wise, they sold the bitcoin before the hack and pump the ETC. It is quite suspicious.

I hope the DAO hacker and the Bitfinex hacker are not related. Bitfinex has reported to law enforcement. We might find out later.

It does not matter if they are related or not. The DAO hacker will not make much profit when the ETC collapses.

One word: Synereo

Many developers have stated that they will not support the ETC. That is because ETC is a hack coin.

right now the train is only moving on the Ethereum Classic tracks and it has been good couple of days so far for making big profit with it.

it may go back and forth between these two in the future but i think for the time being the classic version has a better chance of getting pumped.

That'll be why it's currently in freefall. Go to Poloniex and see the massive sell walls. This criminal coin is going to dust.

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@Minecache
WHY would i "go to Poloniex" ?
I don't trade scam coins for Profit.  ::)

There is always another train around the corner. just have paitence.

so true lol :)

hilarious actually.

also fuck etc/eth - yes some fun btc to be made but fuck any big investment risk for us regular ppl...it's a whales game and when they pull out those coins will drop like fucking ROCKS.

the ethereum train now belongs to the ethereum classic and investors are riding it to the top. the whales has also moved a lot of their money into the classic.

honestly i am surprised to see such a huge volume from ETC these days and see that it could keep up its price this long and still be growing.

You have a typo, when you refer to hack, you must have meant to say ETH.

If the DAO hacker sells privately through multiple small accounts, we wont necessarily see him cashing out the millions as this whole pump has currently been taking place, your logic is flawed because you assume hes going to sell or transfer the whole amount at one time, visibly 

We will know the trace of the DAO hacker if he sells at exchanges. He will be caught by the authorities.

Again this. But what is the charge against him? Not even Vitalik himself will go after him because the attacker also has an argument that can charge Vitalik. Due to technicalities the attacker will not go to jail even if the find him.

Complete and utter FUD. If that dirty thief even dares to reveal himself he will be feeling the full weight of the law against him.

What you say could be right. I am very interested in know if the hacker can prove his innocence in a court.

While it may be arguable that the 'attacker' behaved criminally, as far as civilly he may not be so clear. Being that all the DAO participants are partners, taking the money like this is a violation of good faith, it seemed the attacker had no intention of participating in the DAO as a typical, mutual investor. This is a disservice to his 'partners' and could most likely be addressed in civil court. However, since the fork has happened, does this still even apply? Technically, this never happened on one chain. This shit is too next level for the moment, we are literally in uncharted territory.

When it's all said and done, most of this will play out in civil court. This is simply too cutting edge/high tech for conventional law to apply, it will be a stretch to apply criminal stature imo. What this is however, is a poorly written contract; the legal system has had those figured out for quite some time now :)

we definitely still did not miss it, i think that the price of etc might still grow right now so im putting some money into it right now to make profit in the future

The Ethereum price is rising at the moment. The price is 0.021 now. The price could rise to 0.025 in the next few days.

Sounds like not a good time to jump on the ETH bandwagon.

It is quite possible for the ETH price to rise to 0.025. But that will not happen in the next two weeks. It might happen after September.

If the Ethereum Classic is killed by the pumpers and the hackers, then the price of the Ethereum could rise. We need to wait and see.

We shall know the result of the movement of DAO hacker's ETC in early September. That is just two weeks away.

What is all this talk of the attacker going to court? We do not even know who the attacker is or how to catch him. But let us narrow it down. It could be anyone who is good at coding in Solidity.

List those people first and then let us narrow it down more until we find a most likely suspect.

If there is an attacker, he will be caught eventually. Do not underestimate the capabilities of the law enforcements.

And apparently some people are going to miss another ETH train, the price is increasing again, the dark times are long over.

do you really see this shooting up to 0.03 or higher again? i just think these are mini pump and dump to keep the coin alive for the mienrs, i don't know about the pos, perhaps it will increase very high when the mining scene end

We are now just 1 day away from the MASSIVE dump of the ETC criminal coin.

The market didn't care about Kraken Polo or WHG. I accumulated more ETC and VB is embracing ETC now. The hacker will dump less than WHGs did because he can't find a liquid place to do it. https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/50k0wr/vitalik_buterin_softens_on_etc_a_nonnegligible/

I don't see it shooting upwards too fast, it will slowly increase since the dark dao days are over and the bottom is in ~10$ range. And now with development and only positive news ahead it can only go up. Unless some massive coordinate trolling and price manipulation goes on, it should be easily over 15$ after the devcon. Not to mention the value dapps will bring after projects for the masses like akasha go live. Sure, the road ain't safe, those who missed ETH boat and that went into ETC boat instead hoping for a miracle will try hard to manipulate.

Hard fork happened because people like me voted for it and decided that it was better than not hard forking it, simple. "Immutability", a word thrown around so often lately, was never sacrificed with hard fork, since only the tumor was removed, no other transaction. I bet people / developers wished having the option to do HF's like this, with no other transaction being rolled, but this was a special case, ETH was locked away.
And these ETC supporters, they like to use "immutability" as a reason for supporting ETC because for most of them, ETC is speculation. They missed early ETH days so they now simply bet on ETC, like barry shilbert. Im curious, do you really believe that guy didnt dump his bag yet ? Has he shown any proof of what he has ? Did he respond to https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/762312144411058177  ? Ofc he didnt, he's just using his influence to speculate.
Pro tip: whatever these "influencial" people tell everyone they do, DON'T do the same, you're either already late or they're doing the opposite they say. Just like chandler guo, that guy doesn't give shit about ETC.

I can understand that there are people preferring to work on a "vote" platform rather than on a "rights" platform because that gives the impression that the "majority" (the mob ?) is in control, and that there are no hard rules (rights) that are "above all".  People never really liked the idea of "nothing above the law" because we like, in the end, to negotiate and cheat a bit.  The idea that there would be hard rules that are there for everyone without exception, is probably shocking.

But what is extremely ironic in this affair is that "hard rules are above everyone" was exactly the essential value proposition of ethereum !  Unstoppable code, the code is the law.   Without that, you have a very doubtful system, where the code is law, unless it isn't.  But, as I said, many people like this ambiguity of being able to claim consistency, while knowing that there are always back doors to go and negotiate/cheat in the end.

Ethereum is now a strange beast.  It isn't really a block chain any more as its immutability has been broken, but it still looks much like it, and many people are still pretending that it is.  And as "many people pretending" is the only thing that gives value with purely speculative tokens, the price of it can go anywhere.

However, real usage is another affair.  My idea is that ethereum is fundamentally flawed for reasons I explained already a few times: it has been designed as a software platform, and not as a secure failsafe system.  It has been designed like a tool for designing web sites, and not as a tool for designing security systems of nuclear power plants.  So whatever you will design with it, will have the reliability of a web site, and not of a security system ; except that when bugs/exploits happen, YOU CANNOT PUSH A SECURITY UPDATE and the implications are huge.  So it is even worse than the security system of a nuclear power plant: if one incident happens with a power plant safety controller, due to a bug/exploit, you can update it.  With ethereum, you can't even do that, because the code is unstoppable, even if you know that there's a bug/exploit.

So my idea is that ethereum is not usable, except for VERY SMALL contracts.

As long as it isn't used, however, it can live its happy life as a betting token.  When it will be used again, if ever it is, chances are it will have the same fate as the DAO.

So this brings us to the hard fork, which opens the question: given that almost every "serious" application on ethereum will suffer exploits like the DAO, why did one fork over the first one ?  Because it was the first one ?  Or will one fork every time ?  Or sometimes, one doesn't know when or how, depending on the mood of the mob or the number of important people affected ?  Was this first hard fork a cover-up of the essential problems with ethereum, making people believe that this was just a small beginner's error which will not be repeated ?  Or is this now how ethereum will be running: at major exploits, we fork if the mob wants to ?


How many "special cases" will there be ?


Well, ETC is for sure in trouble, but it has the merit of keeping a block chain as it was intended.  It is in trouble, because ETC also is ethereum, which is a platform for making buggy and exploitable contracts which are then supposed to run unaltered and unpatched, and moreover, ETC has the intention to let them run as intended.  ETH is not a block chain any more, but a not-yet-clearly defined kind of thing (a vote-chain ?) where anything can happen, but most of the time, it will look like a block chain, except when it doesn't.  Maybe you're right in the end, and with a platform on which one makes exploitable contracts, one shouldn't use an unstoppable block chain.  This is maybe what was the "wisdom of the crowd" when they colluded to break the ETH block chain: no serious person would want REALLY unstoppable code on such a platform, so the doubt has to be instilled that, if one (who?) really wants to, one can stop the unstoppable code.

The only thing is: we already have that.  It is called a normal contract, and court.

The block chain paradigm failed.  You're right that this doesn't mean "centralization" per se.  The block chain paradigm is that no majority collusion can be found over altering immutability or protocol (on the "intend" level).  This hypothesis of no possible collusion is what was the reason of existence of the block chain technology.  In the ethereum block chain such a collusion has been found (a large majority against the "dao hacker"), and hence the paradigm of the block chain failed.

Let us say Augur already launched and it is very successful. There are now millions flowing in and out of the Augur dapp and then the unexpected happens, $50 million in ETH was stolen because of a bug in the dapp. Now the founders of Augur has a case for requesting for a roll back in transactions so that they could get all the customers' ETH back. It would be unfair not to get back their $50 million while the slock.it team's DAO get their millions back. How will that be viewed by everyone?

I know you will say the "community" will vote for it and leave it to them. Ok but what if that dapp belonged to a consortium of banks? Would they allow the "community" to put it in a vote? I think they could get Vitalik and twist his arm until they get their fork and their millions back.

The next question is how many Ethereums would there be after another fork?

It wouldn't be done because that would actually break the "immutability", all the transactions would be rolled back. DAO case was a special case with ETH locked away for 1 month.
@dinofelis you're not worth reading, sorry for your effort.

Funny that you replied then, to someone who is grossly saying about the same thing as I do  ;D

The real problem is, why put loads of effort into making 3rd party dapps bug free?  EF offers insurance for when things go wrong!
So if you missed the ETH train, now is your time for a 2nd chance, but be quick,  ETC is about to depart from platform 2 at the Poloniex Station.
Full steam ahead!

Yes. The DAO was treated as a special case. Now the other start ups could ask the same question. What made the DAO a special case? How can the others be treated in the same why? It is not fair. Vitalik started a problem that he cannot fix. The only fix for it is for him to step down and disband the Ethereum Foundation.

That will not fix anything. ETH can't just give up after all, its still one of the most used token up to now. ETH had allready overcome all attacks including that etc which turned just hype and will soon shutdown. ETH price is still better than what are xpected to rise. Once the bugs are fixed, expct to earn profit.

It is the most used token? I thought it is bitcoin. I see a lot of transaction in ETH but bitcoin is really nonstop. Yes it is popular and some analyst thinks it can have a big blast over time. Just dont know where that blast will go. Upward or downward.

In terms of usage as a currency, I think the bitcoin is most widely used. In terms of smart contract, Etheruem is most used.

It will also not give Ethereum the confidence of the start ups and companies to start making dapps in the platform. This is mainly because of the roll back of transactions. Vitalik broke the most sacred rule of blockchains.