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Topic: Do you believe a majority of society sees marriage as more of a business deal, and not really a document proving love?



Question: Why would you get married? Do you think you need a piece of paper proving your love for someone? Do you want equitable distribution of the assets if you ever choose to separate? Are you looking for more cash benefits? Opportunities from the other person? Interested in free food? Perhaps massages? Etc? If you marry someone for nothing but "love", you might be marrying for the correct reasons but if you're marrying for the entitlement and services that come with it, do you think it's justified?

The government certainly does, and they want their cut. Including their right to own the children. Government involvement in marriage should be abolished. They have no business being involved in it and have only caused the destruction of families by creating financial incentives like no fault divorce, alimony, and all kinds of state assistance for single mothers without a man in the house. The modern marriage laws have become little more than a system to subjugate men into a lifetime of servitude for little to nothing in return. All a woman has to do is poke a hole in a condom to own your earning potential for life.

There's a contract involved and sometimes there's an arrangement that anything that he/she owns prior to marriage will not be counted as conjugal property, anything after marriage is counted as conjugal property. Sounds like a lease contract to me  ;D

I hope there will come a time when marriage contracts will have expiration dates so that it will lessen the number of people filling for divorce and no need to pay for a divorce lawyer, because there's no need, just wait for the expiration date.  ;D

Some ones bitter. Know a lot of people that think this way and usually can draw from life experience to validate their reasoning.

Had a boss when I was starting out in the trade ask me if I was married! He felt married men where more reliable,what it meant to me was these men had already been broken and would not be any issues. Would look around the lunch room and listen to dudes talking about their wives and how they where either thinking she was cheating or she never worked a day since they where together.
Was kind of messed up and left a lasting impression on me for what to look out for.

Quite often I can gauge a female by how she responds to my work. If she suddenly becomes more interested I know she is looking for a pay day and I am not the one. Or she looks disinterested she wants more and again I am lucky to dodge her.
I know people say its a conversation starter but it always feels odd when they find out I make decent bucks and the interest suddenly increases. Hate that.

Bitter or just not stupid? Women are humans. Humans do fucked up things to each other for money. End of debate.

Well, love can be learned as they say and i guess if you were arranged to marry someone and have kids of your own, you're going to love them no matter what.
Chinese do these most of the time to protect their wealth, they even arrange marriage to both cousins and that's just crazy. Muslims as far as I know do these as well.

I think the reason arranged marriages work is because neither party is under the illusion that it is for "love" but is simply a financial transaction and a way to reproduce. Marriages done for "love" often fail because one or more parties are looking for a condition which does not exist in reality only in fantasy. Also what most people define as "love" is usually a very transitory state of infatuation.

of course most of the people is getting married for financial stuff.. for me, money issues dont matter on deciding to get married..
if i get married someday, the reason for this will be definitely for love..

I personally don't, but I know there are lots of women especially the traditionalist sort that do and the law pretty much regards it as a business contract in most countries, but even women who if they saw you had a lot of money would immediately use marriage as a way of getting alimony payments out of you and so on, sorry girls, but it's true, the amount of stories I keep seeing and hearing about tons of horror stories with men who marry. If marriage was a thing which had absolutely no affect on the court system and was simply a change of title acknowledging husband and wife, then I wouldn't be too bothered by it, but as it stands now there's no way in hell I'm marrying just so a woman can marry me and then divorce me when she's gotten sick of me and steal all my money just because she can.

I think marriage is an extremely cowardly and manipulative way a lot of women and society in general use to con or emotionally blackmail men with the promise of sex.

Wtf man... Seriously... This has been done in order for a child to be always able to live correctly even if the father/mother leaves!

What would be better? No protection of any kind?

And btw, what do you call marriage if there is no government inside it? That's the very definition of marriage!

Whaou. Another claim of Tecshare. Without any kind of proof of course.
Would you be civilized enough to explain us how you know that arranged marriages "work"? And what you mean by "work"?

Alimony has nothing to do with a child. Even childless marriages find men paying women after divorce, even though men and women are supposedly equal. If that was the case men would be getting a lot more alimony from divorce than they currently do, but the ladies just like it to work one way. Additionally men in the USA have no reproductive rights. They have no say in deciding if a child is born or not, yet they are 100% financially responsible for the choice that the mother makes, effectively allowing mothers to use their children as a tool of extortion on the father. Furthermore many men in the USA are forced to pay child support for CHILDREN THAT AREN'T EVEN THEIR BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/paying-child-support-for-a-non-biological-child.html). If a woman lies to you and can fool you for long enough you are stuck paying for that child regardless of paternity. Also women get custody in the vast majority of cases even if the father wishes to be the primary caregiver, so your argument is bullshit.

I would go on but I know your criticisms are simply a result of your butt still hurting from having your pathetic arguments in the gun control thread demolished by me and you are just looking for a way to soothe your ego and "get even" for me challenging your belief system. Finally, marriage existed long before the government was involved. It began as a religious institution. Arguably it could be described as even older than that as many animals naturally pair bond. Monogamous pair bonding comes from nature, not from the government. So no, that is not the very definition of marriage.



I am just having a casual discussion here. Why don't you go research it if it is so fucking important to you (but I know you are just here to attack me not argue the subject matter). Furthermore please explain to me where I can find the official government statistics relating to which marriages are arranged and which are "for love". Oh yeah that's right, there is no official collection of such statistics. If anyone cares I suggest a quick google search will show you that the divorce rates for arranged marriages are significantly lower than those done "for love".

The majority of society sees marriage as a private thing. Some see it as a business deal as well. Government sees it as a business deal. Nobody sees it as a document proving love.


Most people are physiologically built to get married. Many want children. Many want stability. Many want a helper/partner.


Pieces of paper don't prove love.


Marriage is supposed to be until death of one or both. Property brought into the marriage and not dedicated to the partnership should be kept by the before marriage owner. Joint property, especially that gained after the marriage, should be divided evenly, except in the cases where there are other circumstances, like children being taken care of a majority of the time by one of the partners.


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Long ago people got married for a multitude of reasons:
different kinds of jobs being done by the other partner;
children;
love;
sex;
financial;
more.
In the far past, all of these reasons were combined. In some countries and classes in the world, these are still the reasons.

In America, marriage should be according to what the partners agree on. Even if there is not a contract, points should be written so that there is an understanding between the partners.

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You have different reasons why people get married. I personally think you only have to marriage for true love purpose and not the financial part.

Please refrain from teasing the other participants of this thread, please. We don't need that kind of behavior here, or anywhere else. If he's got an opposing opinion, just let him voice it.

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Forget the government piece of paper. The piece of paper simply invites government into your private lives. Make your own contract if you think you need it.

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 ;D My post agreed with him,funny how one line throws everything else out the window. But as you wish,back to badecker,techshare and what ever other loop you want for a closed debate.

I think in most country they arrange marriage so that the big companies can merge into one.
Or on some cases if the company is getting bankrupt their daughter is being sold to rich people.

I think that still most people marry because of love, not money.
Be realistic, most people are not reach and can't give any money or wealth to his/her partner, only love and care.
Maybe you watch to much American TV? :)
Believe me, this is not reality in most cases today, anywhere in the world.
Why to marry?
It's spiritual commitment for believers and also you show how serious you are about this love and your partner.
Words are empty without concrete action to prove it.

You're making a huge assumption on my views when I didn't even say where I stand.

It doesn't matter if you agreed with him or not. That wasn't my point.

I want to show you some thing and I am not trying to be a dick. Read TecSHAREs post and this is not a dig at TecSHARE I know he can handle his own in this forum,but a attempt to show you are choosing to nit pick with me specifically. Say I am a female taking offense to what he states at the end for arguments sake.
You let this go but get bent about me stating his mood,seems fishy to me!

Telling me how to act in the forum is really none of your concern,I will state what I have to say and if you have a problem thats fine.
But I do not have to listen,just like you have the choice to block my posts. You can not censor people because you do not like the color of my posts,its ridiculous.
Will respect that you asked me even if it does make little sense. If you have issues with me by all means hit me in private message and I will listen and hear you out. Sorry to hijack but that felt weird and I had to get at the issue.

Do as you wish, but can we please get back on topic?

I do not see marriage as business. Till sex and lust you can see marriage as business transaction, but from the love we get our next generation which is not coming with money, only with God's grace. So, marriage is to get our children. Our child are beyond any money or business.

Some poeple have business when there is marriage. But for me, marriage is the time where u gonna settle with someone deserving that can give you care love and time to enjoy from all the day jobs.

There maybe some jokes about marriage but on the bright side we need someone when we growup. And i need to expand my bloodline. :)

I see marriage as a business transaction. Why? We're investing in our furure. we pick people who would be perfect for us. We have our strategy plan and calculate everything. Even buying an engagement ring is kind of deposit, you can choose a perfect one http://www.kushdiamonds.com.au/ and she'll be giving you percentage (services, love, tenderness). I can show you more examples of this thing, but I guess you hat the point. Love, marriage is a huge investment. And you never know if this inverstment will be profitable or not.   ;D

If life partner considered as business transaction then answer is yes.
If better half is considered as business transaction then answer is yes.
If you feel both of them can lead a life and do good of family, society and world as a large then answer is yes.

I will marry someone I love. You know, after marriage, we will live in the same house with our spouse, so we need love to handle the house and the family.

IMO, the paper of marriage is the proof of our marriage. so people know and there will be no affair outside the marriage, no third person who annoy our relationship.

But if you actually divorce then she is entitled to equitable distribution of the assets. I'm not saying it's a business transaction, but there's paper work that deals with money and property.

It certainly used to be a much more practical proposition than it is these days. I think introducing the concept of love into it has totally fucked it up.

It made sense when we were sturdy farmers looking for plump womanfriends to operate the house and squirt children out. These days you'd have to be fucking certifiable to do it.

The idea of betting your financial future and roof over your head on how someone you probably didn't know until relatively late in your life feels about you is nuts.

That was a little graphic and an unnecessarily disturbing way to put it. As I do know, marriage views have kind of been the same way since the beginning if I'm not too mistaken.

Man up.

Even people who are still living treated marriage as as much of a duty as the fulfillment of their dreams. You stuck with it no matter what. These days it's gone too far the other way and people don't seem to be arsed enough to put any actual work in. I don't think either is a healthy way to live life.

Marriages are marriages and not a business transactions.
However few people are treating it in a business was which is not good for the society.

What I meant was how you graphically said "squirt out". That was just unneeded but alright then. As for marriage, I don't know why getting a piece of paper all of a sudden validates what you have. It's not like getting a diploma and proving you have an education or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeD4B8Xsxbo

I believe so that most of this days marriage is just more about money, properties, position of work in short all about the person's wealth as per what movie says security. For me it is really hard to stay with the person whom you dont really love but as others would say you will learn to love that person..

For me its not. It should be a true love for each other and this material things is only second. But in todays time, most are materialistic and marriage is like a business transaction.So, if its a business transaction, the woman as a commodity? hope not.

in today's  era marriage is like a business transaction.
because with everyday marrriages are growing like business.
and in that business poor people are crushing between that stupid business strategy.
so we should not treat the marriage like a business.
but we should respect that relation in which two families and two people and two hearts are joining forever.

Do you believe a majority of society sees marriage as more of a business deal, and not really a document proving love?
Business is Pleasure Gr33k :)

Why would you get married?
Death and Taxes

Do you think you need a piece of paper proving your love for someone?
As much as you need a piece of paper to say you graduated from university.

Do you want equitable distribution of the assets if you ever choose to separate?
Depends on what you define Alimony as.

Are you looking for more cash benefits?
Kids I get to Bone and I get cash for the output heck ya.

Opportunities from the other person?
Like what.

Interested in free food?
What's wrong with you who isn't interested in free food ^^.

Perhaps massages?
Who's giving em do I get a Happy Ending.

Etc?
You know it.

If you marry someone for nothing but "love", you might be marrying for the correct reasons but if you're marrying for the entitlement and services that come with it, do you think it's justified?
Ask the cougars about that as they hunt for young sexy men its a trade or it could be love.

Yes it should be true love because he or she will be there for you through thick and thin, for richer and poorer as wedding vows which is the most important thing for marriage. You cannot just live for someone you do not love at all..

I originally didn't, like most people growing up, I thought it was just a nice gesture you'd do for the one you really love and just an 'official' way of getting recognised as a couple. However as I got older and looked at what was going on around me and how ridiculously biased the family court system is along with things like alimony payments I've come to see it as very nearly signing yourself off to slavery. Why? I think that it's a lot of women who see marriage as a business transaction. It might sound bitter but this is just honestly what I've observed, quite a few women seem to marry fairly early on, have kids then they ditch their husband get payments for the rest of their life and custody of the kids and shop around for a new boyfriend they like better now they have money, some women don't even bother with the kids and just ditch the husband depending on how the law around marriage works.

I know not all couples turn out like that, otherwise I wouldn't have a family now for instance, however I see it way more often than I should.

Many relationships of all types are transactions at heart and always have been. Most humans hang around with each other with a purpose in mind.

not the majority but in last years there is people who need to "cheat" it because they need it, also there is people who "cheat" is just because of the money...



marriage paper is just another one vanity from humans, ofc that you don't need a paper to tell you how in love you are, but society need it for many burocratic (just another way to take your money because of it) reasons.

people who are still living treated marriage as as much of a duty as the fulfillment of their dreams.

Exactly human minds were filled with full of emotions, so without doubt each has some expectation from the other. Some might expect love and care, some might be interested in assets or other beneficiary, it depends upon each person.

Marriages should be consider as a marriage and not money making thing.
It has emotions invloved

I see marriage as love transaction :)
You love this person and want to give her not just your love, but also security, protection, material things, share parental love toward kids, have fun together etc.
This person is, of course inspired to give you her love and everything else.
Is this idealistic understanding of marriage?
Maybe so, but for me it's only way how I want to live in marriage.
If you thinking only about money, of course that you don't need marriage, love or kids.
You can pay for everything in today's world and you will receive it.
But, are you sure you can call it love and can this fulfill you 100 % and make you truly happy?

I don't. But for some people who are either very poor or very rich marriage is often business transaction. And some people just see it as a business deal to get their goal. If both sides are aware of this "agreement" and accept then it is ok, I guess.

A marriage should be between persons without looking at their wealth   :'(

Wealth comes into play always! Think of the very first questions people will ask you in conversation and it usually turns to what you do for a living and this is cloaked way to figure out if you are in the same bracket. For women its a way to see if you are worthy of her attention or some one she can sponge off. Since the numbers are shifting for women being the bread winners there is a void and the next generations will most likely be the dudes asking the women what they do for a living! :D

It depends on the situation.

Marriage is a business transaction if

(a.) The bride and the groom's parents are business partners and arranged the marriage in order to expand or merge their business.

(b.) One of the parties is only getting married because of the other party's money. Gold diggers are trendy right now. ::)


Basically that's it for marriage being a business transaction. Marriage shouldn't be done for this sole purpose. It should be done out of love. But we can not control the society, thus there will always be people doing this kind of thing even though they know that it's the road for unhappiness.

If you see marriage as a business transaction..PLease do not get married..

Marriage is when 2 individuals who love each other more than anything else are committed to living the rest of their lifes together forever no matter what

Some times some people get marriage as a business transaction. But I don,t support that. Marriage is a family matter. don,t get is business.

My vote is that marriage isn't the most important issue. Bringing children in to the world is.
If people aren't planning on having kids, then it seems wise to be realistic, and plan for potential problems ahead of time. Perhaps requiring a prenup is offensive, but then resisting one is too. The couple should navigate this in any way that works for them.
Kids are a different matter. If the parties are not willing to split all assets 50/50, then they aren't in a position to have kids. To me, a prenup defines a state where the couple is committed enough to give it a try, but not committed enough to have kids.

People marry because they want legitimate children and want to be respected in the society. I do not know the ratio that marry out of real love.

But really to be honest most people marry someone they like - at least at the begining, they'll like each other...

I think yes, that is unless parents want to establish business transaction and one party wants to get the benefit of the other party.

But typically they just want to settle their own life. But many some often end up in divorce some lasts really long.

In the end marriage is just.

Marriage is a very sacred ceremonial of two lovers combine into one.
But somehow in other countries, they treat marriage as part of their business. Expanding their businesses by marrying rich guy/woman.

Don't need some fancy papers...

Rather feel some love than feel some papers...

yes because everything will be in both of your name.

It might be possible in some cases but we cant generalise it. Remember.. Marriages are made in heaven

great quote. people must marry with love not because of money .. love is everything. it brings good emotions like respect, caring .. but money doesnt.. so i want to marry for love not for money..

Partly.  Because I saw young women especially those who grew up in a poor family marry a man who is like twice older than them.  It is the only way to surpass the difficulties in their life especially if you did not finish school.  But when it is true love, you really want to tie the knot because you really want to be with that person for the rest of your life.

it's depend on what you family needed, married because business deal are most are already regulated by both sides of the family who have a specific business deal. so why you grow up if you always hear what your parents say.
parents is just an old story so you must get rid of them, when he and his family have intention bad to your life.

Forgot to mention that gays and lesbians can marry. ;D

Well, I'm not married, but I believe that everything turned business, marriage turned business.

People want security, well-being and love. if someone has financial resources becomes an excellent candidate, but that does not mean that people just have financial interest ... people just want financial stability, security and love.

Actually yes, marriage is widely used to do many different international transactions and business and i think that everybody know it. But need to find a good partners.

I can agree with you that people wants financial stability, security and love, bit this is not everything.
Most people, specially woman, wants to become parents to, fathers and mothers.
Without children, many people don't see purpose in their lives.
you can be very reach in your life, have a lot money but eventually you will become old and die.
So, many people feel that there is no meaning to just spend their everyday life working and collecting money if there is no children, someone who can inherit their wealth and love, and continue their lineage.
All this things you can't replace with money or buy and can't call business transaction.
It's much more important and connected to hearth and love, not money or wallet.

most of the time no.. however there are cases wherein yes people marry for the financial benefits it comes with.. :)

Best wishes to find your partner, but these international transaction practices were not found over every country. Most of the Asian countries practice it.

Did you mean "Marriage is not a business transaction"? What's with the hurry? Did you have to finish 20 posts so you can move on to your alt account? ;D

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And yes, marriage isn't a business transaction for the majority of people. They believe that it is sacred and only two people who love each other would do this. Marriage wasn't reversible until people decided to have the rights to divorce each other.

To some people though, especially those who are business minded, they use marriage to merge two companies into one. They don't care if the people who are marrying even like each other, they just want their company to be merged as soon as possible. You can actually see some movies like this. Usually, the Chinese people are involved.

i think it is the need of the time, it has too many benefit except you mentioned. it give you a life partner you can discuss your issues with her. give you children who are your support in the old age. it prevent you from illegal activities.

Most human relationships are business transactions in that how much crap you are willing to tolerate is usually directly proportional to what benefit you find you get from that relationship.

Too bad because there are parents that already signed and made a contract on one of their childs even they are still young that when they get the right age they will marry each other wether the two are lovers or not. That's reality and still happening in the world.

well marriage is base on tradition and culture in different country, some country you got marriage without money involve, other's vise versa but strengthen your marriage by discussing these financial pitfalls. ... In fact, couples fight about money twice as much as they fight about sex, according to ... Knowing what you are about to get yourself into can help you decide how to deal with it.

I agree that people should marry for love and not for money. Marriage is a sacred thing for me because the one you will marry will be with you for the rest of your life. When you are married with the person you love then you will be happy and attract good things then money will follow. If Someone will marry for business then maybe time will come that they will have problems with each other because there's no understanding and care and then there is a possibility that there business will be a failure too.

For some people, yes. Especially if all you want is money, fame and fortune. All you think is the future. Yes i  think some people may think of it that way. However, if you are looking for a lifetime partner, your soulmate, being with your best friend, loving unconditionally, for richer or for poorer til death do you part??? Then marriage will not be a business transaction.

Marriage is not a joke! Dont marry a man or woman only for your convenience. God is the one who created marriage so dont treat the marriage like its like just playing games. Love a man or woman not for money but for what he/she is.

It usually is a contract between two people who are meeting co-dependant addictions with each other, example would be a woman wanting to feel loved and secure in her relationship, that her mate will not leave her while the man feeling that he has someone now who will take care of him and be faithful to him. because it is in contract, this does not change the actual emotional issues within the individual and as such the actions they take are driven by the underlying emotions they feel and not by their intellect (which is very difficult to force)

Rarely is a marriage based genuinely on love with no codependent addiction

Everything is justified. It shouldn't matter what marriage means to others or what they use it for. It is not possible to conclude anything from the choices people make because you can only ever assimilate the things around you as projections of your own personal experiences/understanding. Live and let live right?  :)