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Title: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 07:04:14 AM
Who need to spread the lie of Bitcoin anonymity?


You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins




Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: RappelzReborn on March 17, 2016, 07:09:06 AM
Who need to spread the lie of Bitcoin anonymity?


You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins




1. It's not that easy I assume and not everyone could do it .
2. We all know that , so what ?
3. well , It won't unless you are stupid enough to share your IRL information's + your BTC address on the web and if you think it's that easy , feel free to try get my real name .
4. Same as 1 .
5. Same as 1.
6. Going to the bank also proof that you have money (most of the time) , so what ?


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 07:16:32 AM
It's not that easy I assume and not everyone could do it .

Ohh. There is need a Internet connection and a Laptop or the Smartphone of worth $50 and 4G or Wi-Fi is just enough?
If one have no Internet, there is 100% no way to detect the identity, but a telephone call to a friend with the Internet connection can help with this issue, right?

How about payd detective services and the Police or Military Services?
Are they enough stupid and incompetent?

https://www.treasury.gov/about/organizational-structure/offices/Pages/Office-of-Terrorism-and-Financial-Intelligence.aspx

http://www.fedsfm.ru/en

We all know that , so what ?
Wow, You are there not alone?
Are You with a cat or there is Your mom around?


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Amph on March 17, 2016, 07:47:03 AM
all this can be true, only if i'm not simply moving my coins around, otherwise there is no way you can tell what of those addresses are mine


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Herbert2020 on March 17, 2016, 07:50:41 AM
first of all tracking someone through their bitcoin address is not something that everybody can do and find the real person's location (physical address) so for those of us that are not doing some shady business like a scam cam site, we don't care about the level of anonymity that you are talking about.


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 07:59:10 AM
all this can be true, only if

Just check This Forum around.
Here and there is written "Bitcoin is anonymous and for this is OK for paying sometinng" with no specification "ONLY IF" description.
A usual SCAM Advertising issue.


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 08:01:30 AM
we don't care about

Are You too with a cat and not alone at Your Home?
Or You are in Postal Police Office?

"Privacy protecting" using Bitcoin as payment metod give 0 advantages and might have direct connection with a Name, City, Work Place, Homepage, Blog, Personal and Family pictures and so long.

Who claim about "Bitcoin Anonymity" is a scamer and agent of influence.


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for those of us that are not doing some shady business like a scam cam site
Wow, Do You have seen here some bitcoin related scam activity and have not claimed about it in special section on This Site with proofs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0)?
I have hard sospects, that You are a cheap flooder if You will not open a ufficial Scam Accusation, with related facts.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: talkbitcoin on March 17, 2016, 09:33:00 AM
O.K.
prove this "fake" anonymity to me by tracking me.
here is my bitcoin address:
1H5kPZp9EE73PhTgEhJa23VM8jTG6rS45N


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 09:39:02 AM
O.K.
prove this "fake" anonymity to me by tracking me.
here is my bitcoin address:
1H5kPZp9EE73PhTgEhJa23VM8jTG6rS45N

Hi.
Where Do You see a promise to deanonimizing of every Bitcoin address?

Post Your query Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290479.msg13258318#msg13258318


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: lrdeoliveira on March 17, 2016, 09:46:56 AM
all this can be true, only if i'm not simply moving my coins around, otherwise there is no way you can tell what of those addresses are mine

correct if you know one of my address it is not obvious that you know or will know all my wallets


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 10:01:22 AM
that you know or will know all my wallets

How about if someone publish the Bitcoin address on own blog with a registered Domain Name without Domain privacy protection, with a face on pictures and other private data?
How much seconds need a search engine to check some address?


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: owm123 on March 17, 2016, 10:02:29 AM
Who need to spread the lie of Bitcoin anonymity?


You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins




It's exaggerated,  but it's no secret that Bitcoin is not anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: lrdeoliveira on March 17, 2016, 10:02:51 AM
that you know or will know all my wallets

How about if someone publish the Bitcoin address on own blog with a registered Domain Name without Domain privacy protection, with a face on pictures and other private data?

If so 2 are the cases:
1. you dont want your privacy
2. you want privacy but you're stupid


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 10:05:12 AM
it's no secret that Bitcoin is not anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/

My question here is about - Who Give This Fake Promotion about "Bitcoin Anonymity", many times, in different places on This Forum?


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 10:19:15 AM

If so 2 are the cases:
1. you dont want your privacy
2. you want privacy but you're stupid


Just check this forum on "Bitcoin is anonymous".
That people making scam Advertising on Bitcoin related services,
woh much they are? Hunderts of scamers.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: target on March 17, 2016, 10:22:50 AM
You can definitely create new bitcoin address for ever transaction that way, you won't have to worry being tracked.

But then sometimes leaving footprints on "stake your bitcoin address thread" can help as leaving a sign message for verification.


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: DeboraMeeks on March 17, 2016, 10:41:17 AM
all this can be true, only if i'm not simply moving my coins around, otherwise there is no way you can tell what of those addresses are mine

You have this address on your profile: 1ARz5VBamv9oCoS2qTDgJXDE46JzWkBaYm

From that I can see all 181 of your wallet addresses: http://fpaste.org/341501/82103931/raw/

I can also see your regular receipts from YoBit.net, Bit-x.com, and Purse.io. I can also see your Kraken withdrawals in October / November last year. A small receipt from FaucetBox last year May. A withdrawal from PrimeDice in February last year, as well as three withdrawals from Bittrex at the same time. Some more Bittrex withdrawals in January, quite a few in fact. Cryptsy withdrawal in January. 2014 seems to entirely be Bittrex withdrawals, with the occasional Poloniex / C-Cex / AllCrypt.com / Mintpal withdrawal. Cryptorush.in payment in February 2014, also a Bitfinex withdrawal. And then Cryptsy withdrawals in December 2013. First wallet activity was a Cryptsy withdrawal on 2013-12-13.

Your payments are pretty mundane. Mostly Purse.io spends, deposits to Kraken and Bittrex. A bit of betting on CloudBet in June 2015. Two BitPay payments in January 2015, on the 1st and the 10th. Also two in December 2014. Most of 2014 is Kraken and Bittrex deposits, a few Poloniex deposits in March and April. A bunch of Cryptsy deposits in February 2014.

correct if you know one of my address it is not obvious that you know or will know all my wallets

Your turn! You have this address on your profile: 1K96vkMrpbRLTFZX3ydGLc8X7EAzxJGZAV

Your addresses: http://fpaste.org/341510/45821126/raw/

Receipts are mostly SatoshiMines, YoBit, LuckyBit. Payments are Cryptopay.me, SatoshiMines, LuckyBit. No wallet activity before 2016-02-05.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Lauda on March 17, 2016, 10:42:33 AM
You can definitely create new bitcoin address for ever transaction that way, you won't have to worry being tracked.
This helps, but not against people with specialized software.

You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Don't blame anyone but yourself for not understanding the following:
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The block chain is a shared public ledger on which the entire Bitcoin network relies.
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins
1) Not really.
2) IP address != person.
3) Circumstantial.
4) Obviously, it is your wallet.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: BTCLovingDude on March 17, 2016, 01:33:47 PM

If so 2 are the cases:
1. you dont want your privacy
2. you want privacy but you're stupid


Just check this forum on "Bitcoin is anonymous".
That people making scam Advertising on Bitcoin related services,
woh much they are? Hunderts of scamers.

if someone is advertising that bitcoin is anonymous that is either spreading FUD or he is not well informed.

but also it might be that when people say "Bitcoin is anonymous" on the forum it means pseudonymous.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: DimensionZ on March 17, 2016, 01:38:31 PM
Some of these statements could be true if the right circumstances are present. I think myths is a better word than lies because these can be plausible. Sadly the Mythbusters show has ended so we missed the opportunity to have Bitcoin tested on television  ;D


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: maku on March 17, 2016, 01:50:20 PM
I am not really following what you want to prove by this post, Op.
Your real name can't be linked yo your bitcoin address unless you are using bitcoin satellite services (which requires to send your ID) with said address and someone knows that.
And your IP is not stored in the blockchain as far as I know.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: RoommateAgreement on March 17, 2016, 02:37:48 PM
...
And your IP is not stored in the blockchain as far as I know.


i have never thought about this before but if it is not stored on the bitcoin blockchain then how come a block explorer like blockchain.info shows IP address for the transaction?

are they keeping a seperate log?


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: RodeoX on March 17, 2016, 02:40:46 PM
Speak for yourself man. YOU do not know how to be completely anonymous, but some of US do.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 04:16:57 PM
And your IP is


Quote
...
When you make a Bitcoin transaction, you are essentially creating a message
on your phone or computer and sending it to the Bitcoin network.
Someone operating a large number of nodes in the Bitcoin network
might be able to match some of your transactions to your IP address,
 then deanonymize your entire stack of Bitcoins. ...


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 04:21:03 PM
Speak for yourself man. YOU do not know how to be completely anonymous, but some of US do.

About what is Your message here in relation with query in this topic?


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Lauda on March 17, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
And your IP is
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... When you make a Bitcoin transaction, you are essentially creating a message on your phone or computer and sending it to the Bitcoin network. Someone operating a large number of nodes in the Bitcoin network might be able to match some of your transactions to your IP address, then deanonymize your entire stack of Bitcoins. ...
So when I'm using TOR, a VPN or a public Wi-Fi, what then? This isn't really a serious concern and should have been known already. You need to bold that 'might be' part there. It does not mean that he will necessarily be able to do that.

Also, IP address which linked to a bitcoin address or transaction usually is full nodes IP or miners, not yourself ::)
That's the IP address of the node that relayed the transaction. However, the node is able to see the IP address of the sender. This is why it might only be feasible if one has control over a larger number of nodes.



Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: iCEBREAKER on March 17, 2016, 04:28:49 PM
Not sure if this has been posted here, but monero is mentioned in this article as way of anonymizing Bitcoin transactions

https://99bitcoins.com/complete-guide-using-bitcoin-anonymously/

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Obscuring the Trail through Altcoin Shifting

Why stop at mixing between Bitcoin addresses? Mixing between Bitcoins and privacy-centric altcoins provides another layer of obscurity. This method requires perhaps a little less trust than using a centralized mixing service. The best altcoin to use for this purpose is probably Monero (XMR).

This short guide covers buying Monero with Bitcoin; to anonymize your bitcoins, simply convert them to XMR, forward them to a new Monero address under your control and then convert them back to new, anonymous BTC.

Two great sites for converting between Bitcoin and Monero are Shapeshift.io and XMR.to. Remember to access them via Tor and don’t worry about sign-up; neither site requires it.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 04:30:23 PM
what then?

I'm talking here about multiple advertising messages, that are using composition of words
"Bitcoin is Anonymous and perfect to protect privacy" and similar, with no precisation in wich cases it might be partially anonymous.
I'm thinking, that in Russian Federation under "SORM-2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM)" is nothing anonymous.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: KFCBTC on March 17, 2016, 04:38:40 PM
Your IP is linked to your transaction? you can always use a VPN or proxy..
Your Identity is linked to your coins? not if you don't buy from exchanges directly.

I too agree bitcoin is not anonymous but it's far more private than using creditcards for example in a way.


Title: Re: Fake Anonymity of Bitcoin Urban Legend. (Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Amph on March 17, 2016, 04:50:37 PM
all this can be true, only if i'm not simply moving my coins around, otherwise there is no way you can tell what of those addresses are mine

You have this address on your profile: 1ARz5VBamv9oCoS2qTDgJXDE46JzWkBaYm

From that I can see all 181 of your wallet addresses: http://fpaste.org/341501/82103931/raw/

I can also see your regular receipts from YoBit.net, Bit-x.com, and Purse.io. I can also see your Kraken withdrawals in October / November last year. A small receipt from FaucetBox last year May. A withdrawal from PrimeDice in February last year, as well as three withdrawals from Bittrex at the same time. Some more Bittrex withdrawals in January, quite a few in fact. Cryptsy withdrawal in January. 2014 seems to entirely be Bittrex withdrawals, with the occasional Poloniex / C-Cex / AllCrypt.com / Mintpal withdrawal. Cryptorush.in payment in February 2014, also a Bitfinex withdrawal. And then Cryptsy withdrawals in December 2013. First wallet activity was a Cryptsy withdrawal on 2013-12-13.

Your payments are pretty mundane. Mostly Purse.io spends, deposits to Kraken and Bittrex. A bit of betting on CloudBet in June 2015. Two BitPay payments in January 2015, on the 1st and the 10th. Also two in December 2014. Most of 2014 is Kraken and Bittrex deposits, a few Poloniex deposits in March and April. A bunch of Cryptsy deposits in February 2014.


that's because i'm using the same walelt, i didn't bother to create other wallet, but what if i start use one wallet for each new address? you can not keep all the track anymore

in fact among those addresses there aren't the one of my cold storage


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: RealPhotoshoper on March 17, 2016, 05:04:24 PM
Who need to spread the lie of Bitcoin anonymity?


You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins



i just take the middle,yes bitcoins can't called as anonymous transaction,its traceable,but i also think the mean of Anonymous is cannot trace as we trace bank transaction,its have no name or number who registered in any company.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Red-Apple on March 17, 2016, 05:12:28 PM
i don't understand this obsession over bitcoin's anonymity.

what i see is two kinds of people who care about bitcoin and one group that don't care.

1. those who want some small anonymity, so a regular user with only access to internet can't track them. they can simply use new address with each transaction and make it hard to track. these don't care that much about complete anonymity.

2. Scammers they are the ones who care so much about the anonymity part of bitcoin instead of many other benefits. these people know how to cover their tracks and doesn't concern us and what we say on this forum!


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Vika NSFW on March 17, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
i don't understand this obsession over bitcoin's anonymity.

Where do You see something similar to obsession?
I'm here against similar messages, that claim the anonymity if the user goes using Bitcoin
- chek this shit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=957629.msg14205234#msg14205234


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Bitcoinpro on March 17, 2016, 06:03:22 PM
Who need to spread the lie of Bitcoin anonymity?


You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins




It was a great marketing tactic :)

now we have BITCOIN !!!


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: Kprawn on March 17, 2016, 06:23:26 PM
What is the best honey pot for criminals and scammers? Answer --->  Tell them Bitcoin is anonymous.  ::) ... You have to know what you doing before Bitcoin gives you some degree of anonymity and

even then, full anonymity are not guaranteed. The pseudo-anonymity of Bitcoin gives you the same level of anonymity as cash. If you received marked bills, or you draw cash from a fiat ATM, you lose

your anonymity and reveal your spending habits. You have to combine several technologies and services to make Bitcoin more anonymous than the normal user. {Tor / Mixers / VPN's etc... }


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: knowhow on March 24, 2016, 11:42:15 PM
You can trace the owner here as the most of us has our main adress at our profile otherwise you wouldnt be able to see anything,you would see but couldnt connect it to anyone here.Anyway bitcoin inst full anonymous just hide anyone under an adress.


Title: Re: Fake "Anonymity of Bitcoin" Urban Legend.(Terrible Things You Didn't Know About)
Post by: owm123 on March 25, 2016, 04:53:22 AM
Who need to spread the lie of Bitcoin anonymity?


You Can Be De-anonymized Using Bitcoin
Bitcoins Are Traceable On The Blockchain
Your Name Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Your IP Address Might Be Linked to Your Bitcoin Address
Revealing Your Bitcoin Address Before It Goes Into the Blockchain Could Let Others Track You
Possessing a Wallet File Might Be Enough Proof That You Control Bitcoins




Just show ppl who think bitcoin is anonymous this: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/