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Title: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: smoothie on February 03, 2013, 11:35:36 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: c4n10 on February 03, 2013, 11:36:46 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: smoothie on February 03, 2013, 11:39:16 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?

Oh so all of what you are saying about the source is by HEARSAY?

Okay you're stupid. LOL

"Hey guys you should try RUC it is 51% attack proof."


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Simran on February 03, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?

What do you mean that Linux Distro is the source code.. that make absolutely no sense.......


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: smoothie on February 03, 2013, 11:45:25 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?

What do you mean that Linux Distro is the source code.. that make absolutely no sense.......

He has no clue what the fuck he is talking about. Just like he can't post publicly the source code for RUC.  ;D

Epic fail.


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Simran on February 03, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?

What do you mean that Linux Distro is the source code.. that make absolutely no sense.......

He has no clue what the fuck he is talking about. Just like he can't post publicly the source code for RUC.  ;D

Epic fail.

He's kinda like saying that the source code of the Litecoin client/Litecoin is the Ubuntu source code... >.>


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: smoothie on February 03, 2013, 11:53:19 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?

What do you mean that Linux Distro is the source code.. that make absolutely no sense.......

He has no clue what the fuck he is talking about. Just like he can't post publicly the source code for RUC.  ;D

Epic fail.

He's kinda like saying that the source code of the Litecoin client/Litecoin is the Ubuntu source code... >.>

LOL I know...isn't that funny...he heard someone say something to that effect and just repeated it. Much like how someone told him RUC is immune to 51% attacks.

Mega lawls and mega fails.


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Simran on February 03, 2013, 11:59:10 PM
This is what I am hearing.

I'd like to see the source and the code that prevents 51% attack.

If no code, then it's bullshit. ;D

I have been told that the linux distro IS the source code. Can someone confirm this?

What do you mean that Linux Distro is the source code.. that make absolutely no sense.......

He has no clue what the fuck he is talking about. Just like he can't post publicly the source code for RUC.  ;D

Epic fail.

He's kinda like saying that the source code of the Litecoin client/Litecoin is the Ubuntu source code... >.>

LOL I know...isn't that funny...he heard someone say something to that effect and just repeated it. Much like how someone told him RUC is immune to 51% attacks.

Mega lawls and mega fails.

People believe anything they read, especially when they're the one's using it. It's like stoners, if you say weed cures meningitis, they'll be all over the place spreading that bs.


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: nethead on February 04, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
under construction http://www.rucoin.us


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: markm on February 04, 2013, 12:16:06 AM
under construction http://www.rucoin.us

The link "or you can grab the source from here" links to an ancient and non-working archive of code, I don't think that code even had both types of hashing, I think it was back when the thing was just normal bitcoin-style hashing. I already built that and tried it long ago, it does not work.

Checking my /usr/src tree though I also see I have a git setup for rucoin, and doing a git pull there just now it just pulled a bunch of stuff. Not sure yet where it pulls from, I don't even know offhand how to ask git where it is pulling from, will try guesses like git status or maybe resort to git help...

Hmm actually it seems to be coming from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin so maybe isnt rucoin at all... It has local changes that would be over-written. I guess it is just a copy of bitcoin that I had started once upon a time to hack at to set it to the ports etc that rucoin was supposedly using way back then.

Definitely way back then there was no scrypt involved.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: nethead on February 04, 2013, 12:44:54 AM
under construction http://www.rucoin.us

The link "or you can grab the source from here" links to an ancient and non-working archive of code, I don't think that code even had both types of hashing, I think it was back when the thing was just normal bitcoin-style hashing. I already built that and tried it long ago, it does not work.

Checking my /usr/src tree though I also see I have a git setup for rucoin, and doing a git pull there just now it just pulled a bunch of stuff. Not sure yet where it pulls from, I don't even know offhand how to ask git where it is pulling from, will try guesses like git status or maybe resort to git help...

Hmm actually it seems to be coming from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin so maybe isnt rucoin at all... It has local changes that would be over-written. I guess it is just a copy of bitcoin that I had started once upon a time to hack at to set it to the ports etc that rucoin was supposedly using way back then.

Definitely way back then there was no scrypt involved.

-MarkM-


Wow, to tell you the truth, i havent checked that its old and non-working. I dont care much though since i can simply mine and put on btc-e for sale. that way i can make WAY MORE bitcoins than if mining bitcoin. That, till now, tommorow noone knows, maybe the exchange will be closed, or the price skyrockets, who knows.. Plus you dont actually need the client/wallet to do exchange ;) i really do not understand all that bitching for every "other"coin, why dont you all shutup and mine->sell? (the skepticism about no-open-source is right though)


"Uh its not open source, where are muh freedams to mine in a pool and sell on an exchange"


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: markm on February 04, 2013, 12:51:46 AM
How much more is "way more" ???

Is it more than you get by merged-mining bitcoin, namecoin, devcoin, ixcoin, i0coin, groupcoin and coiledcoin all at once using the same hashing-power?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: nethead on February 04, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
How much more is "way more" ???

Is it more than you get by merged-mining bitcoin, namecoin, devcoin, ixcoin, i0coin, groupcoin and coiledcoin all at once using the same hashing-power?

-MarkM-


Yes, put your hashes to focalway for a min, calculate your coins, and simulate a trade at btc-e


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: doublec on February 04, 2013, 02:37:10 AM
The rucoin website (https://www.rucoin.org/download/) has a source archive on the download page. It shows it as  https://www.rucoin.org/rucoin-0.401.tar.gz (https://www.rucoin.org/rucoin-0.401.tar.gz).


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: markm on February 04, 2013, 02:39:46 AM
We tried that long long ago, remember? Presumably it is one of the ones that we never managed to get working?

Or it is the one that used to work before they put out new binaries that are not compatible with what that code builds.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on February 04, 2013, 08:06:47 AM
I hope everyone running RUC client is keeping it in a virtual machine, or a machine without any other wallet.dat files that it could suck up and send to some far away server. Remember Gavin's sticky post here: be safe!


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: FuzzyBear on February 04, 2013, 10:24:24 AM
kinda pleased i never even looked into Rucoin.... sounded fishy and Ru-bish if there was premining and code that doesn't complie or avaliable in the github.... take note on Crazy Rabbits advice and only run on separate machines not containing your important wallet.dat files for other coins


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Deprived on February 04, 2013, 06:27:45 PM
kinda pleased i never even looked into Rucoin.... sounded fishy and Ru-bish if there was premining and code that doesn't complie or avaliable in the github.... take note on Crazy Rabbits advice and only run on separate machines not containing your important wallet.dat files for other coins

Kind of amusing that it has trading to BTC-E built in.  Wonder just how many people will be dumb enough to allow a coin that was admitted to be a scam have access to trade on their BTC-E accounts.

Looking in my crystal ball I foresee some highly amusing "told you so" posts in a few months time - probably just after some new version of the client is released (binary only) and installed by gullible idiots who have let their guard down afer a few months of it not doing anything nasty to them.


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: smoothie on February 04, 2013, 06:37:42 PM
kinda pleased i never even looked into Rucoin.... sounded fishy and Ru-bish if there was premining and code that doesn't complie or avaliable in the github.... take note on Crazy Rabbits advice and only run on separate machines not containing your important wallet.dat files for other coins

Kind of amusing that it has trading to BTC-E built in.  Wonder just how many people will be dumb enough to allow a coin that was admitted to be a scam have access to trade on their BTC-E accounts.

Looking in my crystal ball I foresee some highly amusing "told you so" posts in a few months time - probably just after some new version of the client is released (binary only) and installed by gullible idiots who have let their guard down afer a few months of it not doing anything nasty to them.

Would not surprise me.

USER BEWARE


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: nethead on February 04, 2013, 07:33:46 PM
kinda pleased i never even looked into Rucoin.... sounded fishy and Ru-bish if there was premining and code that doesn't complie or avaliable in the github.... take note on Crazy Rabbits advice and only run on separate machines not containing your important wallet.dat files for other coins

Kind of amusing that it has trading to BTC-E built in.  Wonder just how many people will be dumb enough to allow a coin that was admitted to be a scam have access to trade on their BTC-E accounts.

Looking in my crystal ball I foresee some highly amusing "told you so" posts in a few months time - probably just after some new version of the client is released (binary only) and installed by gullible idiots who have let their guard down afer a few months of it not doing anything nasty to them.

Sooo you are telling us that you trust btc-e to trade your coins, and nothing makes you think who is behind RUC-(the coin you do not trust)? I do not fully trust it either... Who admitted that this coin is a scam? Balthazar (or sth like that), right? Isnt he a mod on btc-e? I think he is ;)

I cannot accept that this is a scam, as from the first day exchange re-opened there i made bitcoins from it. It may be some crazy malware or has a backport or something but wouldn't some antivirus detect it? or a firewall wouldnt detect weird net action from it?


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: smoothie on February 04, 2013, 08:49:38 PM
kinda pleased i never even looked into Rucoin.... sounded fishy and Ru-bish if there was premining and code that doesn't complie or avaliable in the github.... take note on Crazy Rabbits advice and only run on separate machines not containing your important wallet.dat files for other coins

Kind of amusing that it has trading to BTC-E built in.  Wonder just how many people will be dumb enough to allow a coin that was admitted to be a scam have access to trade on their BTC-E accounts.

Looking in my crystal ball I foresee some highly amusing "told you so" posts in a few months time - probably just after some new version of the client is released (binary only) and installed by gullible idiots who have let their guard down afer a few months of it not doing anything nasty to them.

Sooo you are telling us that you trust btc-e to trade your coins, and nothing makes you think who is behind RUC-(the coin you do not trust)? I do not fully trust it either... Who admitted that this coin is a scam? Balthazar (or sth like that), right? Isnt he a mod on btc-e? I think he is ;)

I cannot accept that this is a scam, as from the first day exchange re-opened there i made bitcoins from it. It may be some crazy malware or has a backport or something but wouldn't some antivirus detect it? or a firewall wouldnt detect weird net action from it?

NO one says it is a scam. It could be one though.

Translation of your post: "Please scam me"  :D


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: xorxor on February 07, 2013, 02:12:34 PM
what I understand is:

they still did NOT show a code.

- RUC client is not complying to licence of open source code, using some of it and not providing source.
- RUC client can do weird things to your PC without you even know it.

well, should'n we make a sticky warning : "do not launch rucoin client" ?

RUC Devs:  SHOW THE CODE !!!  and prove us wrong.


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: nethead on February 07, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
- RUC client can do weird things to your PC without you even know it.

sure, like???

Post proof too ;)

well, should'n we make a sticky warning : "do not launch rucoin client" ?

Either you are stocked up on litecoin and you are afraid, or you simply want to mine RUC alone ;)

Me, personally, have had no problems with "rucoin client" ever, as many others would tell the same

It IS profitable and it IS better than other altcoins, get over it mr "sticky warning".


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Balthazar on February 07, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
- RUC client is not complying to licence of open source code, using some of it and not providing source.
That's not true, because BSDL allows distribution of binary forms without source code.


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: xorxor on February 07, 2013, 04:00:24 PM
- RUC client is not complying to licence of open source code, using some of it and not providing source.
That's not true, because BSDL allows distribution of binary forms without source code.


It is officialy NOT opensource ?


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Balthazar on February 07, 2013, 04:06:50 PM
- RUC client is not complying to licence of open source code, using some of it and not providing source.
That's not true, because BSDL allows distribution of binary forms without source code.


It is officialy NOT opensource ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License



Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: xorxor on February 07, 2013, 04:25:46 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License


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why should i care? i trusted you saying rucoin doesn't brake any license rules.

are you saying project IS opensource WITHOUT source available anywhere?



Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: tacotime on February 07, 2013, 05:22:49 PM
Not publishing the source code violates the MIT license I had thought, as LukeJr. used it to DMCA takedown solidcoin back in the day

It also violates the Berkeley DB license

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57437.0

RuCoin binaries are thus liable for DMCA takedown at any time


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: Balthazar on February 07, 2013, 06:57:46 PM
Not publishing the source code violates the MIT license I had thought, as LukeJr.
Please read this articles on wiki before believing someone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License

Quote
It is a permissive free software license, meaning that it permits reuse within proprietary software provided all copies of the licensed software include a copy of the MIT License terms.

If someone says another about BSDL, MIT or other permissive licenses, he's wrong or lying. ::)

And this also may be helpful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_free_software_licence

It also violates the Berkeley DB license
Yes, that's correct. So, there are reasons to remove BDB from bitcoin, and migration to BSD-licensed LevelDB currently in progress.

P.S. DMCA supporters are enemies of your freedom. I'm glad to see that European governments did not have any such laws at that time.

http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=35920


Title: Re: RUC isn't open source?
Post by: doublec on February 07, 2013, 10:30:16 PM
Not publishing the source code violates the MIT license I had thought, as LukeJr. used it to DMCA takedown solidcoin back in the day
Solidcoin removed the copyright notice of the original Bitcoin devleopers and changed the license. That was the objection from LukeJr IIRC.