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Title: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: jtibble on February 06, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
Hello everybody,

I'm curious what percent of your net worth you keep in bitcoin, especially as this thread grows and takes on a life of its own over the months and years.

When doing the math for yourself, sum up the value of all the assets you own: your bitcoins, liquid assets (cash), illiquid assets (house, car, etc), gold/silver, 401k, investments, and your bank accounts. Divide your bitcoins' worth by the sum total and report back here! A spreadsheet is helpful.

I recently did a survey of my personal finances, and to my surprise, I'm at 0.832%. I spend much more than 0.832% of my time thinking about bitcoin, so this made me wonder why I'm so fascinated by something I have so little stake in. I plan to increase my holdings over time, until bitcoins make roughly 10-15% of the total. Of course, as bitcoins grow in value, this will happen slowly and gradually, but I've made the conscious decision to migrate some of my worth from dollars and stocks to bitcoin, which I trust and support much more than the US financial system.

What are your thoughts? Why are you (or aren't you) more or less invested in bitcoin, on a personal level? How did you get to be so invested (or so little-invested) in bitcoin?

Cheers,
jtibble


EDIT: Also count bitcoin-related-investments as bitcoin as well, since they can be quickly liquidated back into bitcoin. Thanks!


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Peter Lambert on February 06, 2013, 03:13:20 PM
Hello everybody,

I'm curious what percent of your net worth you keep in bitcoin, especially as this thread grows and takes on a life of its own over the months and years.

When doing the math for yourself, sum up the value of all the assets you own: your bitcoins, liquid assets (cash), illiquid assets (house, car, etc), gold/silver, 401k, investments, and your bank accounts. Divide your bitcoins' worth by the sum total and report back here! A spreadsheet is helpful.

I recently did a survey of my personal finances, and to my surprise, I'm at 0.832%. I spend much more than 0.832% of my time thinking about bitcoin, so this made me wonder why I'm so fascinated by something I have so little stake in. I plan to increase my holdings over time, until bitcoins make roughly 10-15% of the total. Of course, as bitcoins grow in value, this will happen slowly and gradually, but I've made the conscious decision to migrate some of my worth from dollars and stocks to bitcoin, which I trust and support much more than the US financial system.

What are your thoughts? Why are you (or aren't you) more or less invested in bitcoin, on a personal level? How did you get to be so invested (or so little-invested) in bitcoin?



Should we count things like bitcoins realated investments (such as shares of SatoshiDice) as bitcoin or not?


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: jtibble on February 06, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
Should we count things like bitcoins realated investments (such as shares of SatoshiDice) as bitcoin or not?

Yeah, I think that would be good. I'll make an edit-note of it in the original post. Thanks!


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Bitcopia on February 06, 2013, 05:05:42 PM
I put about 5% of my income into bitcoins every week. I move half of them to a paper wallet and pretend they don't exist anymore. I like to play with the other half  :)


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: dancupid on February 06, 2013, 05:24:51 PM
I started with 1% and then it became 7% in about a year.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: TheKoziTwo on February 06, 2013, 05:29:24 PM
50% or more, true believer  :)


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: der_meister on February 06, 2013, 05:32:08 PM
40-45%

true believer  :)

+1 :)


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: humanitee on February 06, 2013, 05:36:52 PM
Probably about 90%.

It's a dice roll but I feel the odds are definitely in my favor.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: dancupid on February 06, 2013, 05:43:27 PM
I started with 1% and then it became 7% in about a year.

Replying to myself.
People say you shouldn't invest more than you can afford to lose - but with bitcoin I may suddenly think that the value of the bitcoins I bought cheaply may be worth more than I want to lose.  It's a strange psychological position to be in.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Peter Lambert on February 06, 2013, 06:10:28 PM
I started with 1% and then it became 7% in about a year.

Replying to myself.
People say you shouldn't invest more than you can afford to lose - but with bitcoin I may suddenly think that the value of the bitcoins I bought cheaply may be worth more than I want to lose.  It's a strange psychological position to be in.

If your assets have appreciated, it might be a good idea to sell some off to lock in your gains and diversify into other investments.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: notme on February 06, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
I have no idea how to calculate what percent my bitcoin holdings are because my net worth is negative.  Fucking student loans.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: jtibble on February 06, 2013, 07:12:44 PM
I have no idea how to calculate what percent my bitcoin holdings are because my net worth is negative.  Fucking student loans.

In my calculation, I didn't factor in my student loans either. I just summed up all the things I own and found my bitcoin holdings as a percent of that, but I suppose that isn't precisely "net worth".


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: wtfvanity on February 06, 2013, 07:18:45 PM
I have no idea how to calculate what percent my bitcoin holdings are because my net worth is negative.  Fucking student loans.

Hmm... interesting. If you divide a number by 0, well, it can't be done. However, dividing a positive number (your btc) by a negative number (your net worth) you get a negative number.

But. Your net worth is calculated by summing your total assets and then subtracting your liabilities.

Maybe you could calculate the ratio of your bitcoin holds to debt.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: mb300sd on February 06, 2013, 07:24:30 PM
50+%, but about 90% of it came from bitcoin in the first place.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: SgtSpike on February 06, 2013, 07:31:07 PM
100%.

My asset holdings less my debt is negative (due to student loans), so ~ 50 BTC / 0 = ∞ (or 100%, if we want to be practical).


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: mp420 on February 06, 2013, 07:37:15 PM
Around 1%. Because I do not have the privilege of being able to allot a significant percentage of my worth into speculative investments.

On the other hand, my Bitcoin holdings constitute around 25% of what I have invested in any kind of instruments or currency.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Spaceman_Spiff on February 06, 2013, 07:55:32 PM
50+%, but about 90% of it came from bitcoin in the first place.

I am confused, I think you mean to say you bought around $2 ?  Or did bitcoin used to be 90% of your holdings?


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: notme on February 06, 2013, 08:53:58 PM
50+%, but about 90% of it came from bitcoin in the first place.

I am confused, I think you mean to say you bought around $2 ?  Or did bitcoin used to be 90% of your holdings?

He diversified his bitcoin profit, same as I have.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Rygon on February 06, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
The asset value of my house is enough negative to cancel out all other assets, lol.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: notme on February 06, 2013, 09:39:57 PM
The asset value of my house is enough negative to cancel out all other assets, lol.

You shouldn't have overpaid ;).


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Fuzzy on February 06, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ccQmNGuq_YU/TSxdFK3ca9I/AAAAAAAAAA4/AGyPAiMypBs/s1600/truth_us_economy.jpg


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: steamboat on February 06, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
Investments- 100%
Net worth minus student loans- 80%

I have been telling everyone I know about Bitcoin since I first heard about it in 4/'01. They all laughed at me when the market crashed (thankfully I chose the mining route instead of purchasing directly), but after last year many of them are starting to take a serious look at it. A friend of mine was an investment broker for ML and has been keeping an ever closer eye on it since August.


Also, do we include mining gear?


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Luceo on February 06, 2013, 11:55:30 PM
About 25%, but at least 70% of it comes from Bitcoin directly or indirectly.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: XxionxX on February 07, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
I keep like %50, but that is mostly because I use most of my paycheck for other things I need besides keeping a savings.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Qoheleth on February 07, 2013, 01:11:56 AM
About 20-25%.

I'm long-term bullish on Bitcoin as a technology, but since its corresponding market is still foetal, I know there's going to be all sorts of fluctuations on the way up, many of them severe.

So I keep enough Bitcoin (and fiat) in exchanges to profit from those fluctuations.

That said, I recognize that I might be too starstruck by the Bitcoin concept to properly determine its worth as an asset, so I haven't invested any more heavily than that - I prefer to put most of my savings into sectors that correspond to the things I'd like to buy with them eventually (e.g. I'm saving for a condo, don't want to lose buying power, so invest in REITs).


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: payb.tc on February 07, 2013, 01:26:12 AM
I have been telling everyone I know about Bitcoin since I first heard about it in 4/'01.

what is 4/'01? i have no idea how to interpret that.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: notme on February 07, 2013, 01:36:31 AM
About 20-25%.

I'm long-term bullish on Bitcoin as a thing, but since it's still a foetal market, I know there's going to be all sorts of fluctuations on the way up, many of them severe.

So I keep enough Bitcoin (and fiat) in exchanges to profit from those fluctuations.

That said, I recognize that I might be too starstruck by the Bitcoin concept to properly determine its worth as an asset, so I haven't invested any more heavily than that - I prefer to put most of my savings into sectors that correspond to the things I'd like to buy with them eventually (e.g. I'm saving for a condo, don't want to lose buying power, so invest in REITs).

That strategy of saving for things in related products makes a lot of sense.  Too bad you're just trading paper that has a nonzero chance of being unwound in a nasty fashion.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: oOoOo on February 07, 2013, 01:36:44 AM
The asset value of my house is enough negative to cancel out all other assets, lol.

You should burn it down and claim insurance LAL

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/486/019/480.png


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: DoomDumas on February 07, 2013, 01:46:54 AM
I'm buying at market price, each10 to 15 days, with each and every dollar I can !
Will sell 1/3 @ 100 --- 1/3 @ 1000 and keep the rest to spend as BTC :D



Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: sgravina on February 07, 2013, 02:03:52 AM
1.3%.  I'm old so I have a lot in real estate and retirement accounts.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Qoheleth on February 07, 2013, 02:29:15 AM
That strategy of saving for things in related products makes a lot of sense.  Too bad you're just trading paper that has a nonzero chance of being unwound in a nasty fashion.
Hey, that's markets. It's not like the Bitcoin I keep on Mt. Gox to trade with is any safer. :)


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: notme on February 07, 2013, 02:31:35 AM
That strategy of saving for things in related products makes a lot of sense.  Too bad you're just trading paper that has a nonzero chance of being unwound in a nasty fashion.
Hey, that's markets. It's not like the Bitcoin I keep on Mt. Gox to trade with is any safer. :)

Fair enough.  I don't keep any funds on an exchange longer than I need to, but I don't daytrade anymore.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: lebing on February 07, 2013, 02:35:20 AM
I started about a year ago at about 20% and am now up to about 85% due to both increasing my amount of fiat injected in and appreciation. I am relatively young still and I know this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, so I am comfortable with starting over if it explodes because the possible benefit is just too high.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Peter Lambert on February 07, 2013, 03:02:35 AM
I have been telling everyone I know about Bitcoin since I first heard about it in 4/'01.

what is 4/'01? i have no idea how to interpret that.


It clearly means April of 2001. Oh, wow, that must mean that Steamboat is Satoshi! (Or maybe Satoshi stole the idea of bitcoin from Steamboat?)


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: DoomDumas on February 07, 2013, 05:24:50 AM
OP asked WHY !!!!

This webpage contains a very nice summary of my numerous WHY !!!

http://www.runtogold.com/2012/12/during-2012-fiat-currencies-and-gold-collapse-against-bitcoin/ (http://www.runtogold.com/2012/12/during-2012-fiat-currencies-and-gold-collapse-against-bitcoin/)
(link found in the news section of BitcoinWatch)

This page reflect my tought, my WHYs !!!

Plenty of info, very accurate, complete, almost every aspect of BTC covered !  THIS +1 !

Let's hope for a good BTC future :D



Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: DoomDumas on February 07, 2013, 05:29:06 AM
1.3%.  I'm old so I have a lot in real estate and retirement accounts.

Switch a part of those fiat (hyperinflation doomed) investment to bitcoins !!!


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Qoheleth on February 07, 2013, 05:09:31 PM
Switch a part of those fiat (hyperinflation doomed) investment to bitcoins !!!
You can't put Bitcoin in an IRA.

Yet.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: Bitcopia on February 07, 2013, 06:35:56 PM
1.3%.  I'm old so I have a lot in real estate and retirement accounts.

I love the old folks who take the time to understand bitcoin!

1.3%.  I'm old so I have a lot in real estate and retirement accounts.

Switch a part of those fiat (hyperinflation doomed) investment to bitcoins !!!


Real estate is not an investment in fiat and not likely to be hyperinflation doomed, those properties would just be worth $1,000,000,000 instead of their original $500,000. And likely the same scenario for the investment accounts, assuming our friend here has made some wise decisions for those accounts. His interest in bitcoins suggests that he did  ;)

But more bitcoins is always always a good idea.


Title: Re: [poll] What Percent of your Net Worth is in Bitcoin? And why?
Post by: The-Real-Link on February 07, 2013, 10:29:11 PM
Put plenty of funds into mining rigs and BTC so it's definately a significant investment / testing for me.