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Title: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: jacee on April 14, 2016, 03:04:08 AM
Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Quickseller on April 14, 2016, 03:09:46 AM
Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?
This is allowed, however it is generally frowned upon within the community. See this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238474.0) thread for details.

If you wish to open a scam accusation against this person you are welcome to do so.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: FriendlyChemist on April 14, 2016, 03:25:29 AM
If you have any problem with the auctioneer you can make a report on him in reputation section. i don't think this type of act is harmful to anyone as one always wants higher profit.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on April 14, 2016, 03:56:33 AM
Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Also,you can probably disclose their profiles instead of playing the hide and seek game.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: hilariousandco on April 14, 2016, 05:15:18 AM
Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: barbara44 on April 14, 2016, 06:28:34 PM
OP, I just want to ask what proof do you have to say that the auctioneer is using his alt and upping his prices? You know we can't just go and conclude without looking at both sides of the equation.
To answer to your question, I don't think it isn't legal since it's a risk he's taking. If he truly is using an alt and raising bids, he is risking that he might overbid and nobody else would bit on it anymore.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: apOsww on April 14, 2016, 06:30:40 PM
Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

Allowed it or not I think it's a negative trust ;) for sure!


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Evildrum on April 14, 2016, 06:34:46 PM
The person risks no one biting,if people get into a frenzy because others are involved they need to figure out better ways of going about buying in a auction,long run they will overpay way to often.
Its always buyer beware and you need to figure things out mostly on your own or get duped when some one is not there to hold your hand.
Not saying it isn't shady but you need to lock down proof of such thing and not let it turn into a he said,she said situation.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: xhomerx10 on April 14, 2016, 06:46:34 PM
It's called shill bidding.  It is wire-fraud - a federal crime.  Ergo anyone participating in such a scheme is conducting a scam.  An illegal scam - do you need any more justification that that to give a negative rep to all alts involved? 


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Evildrum on April 14, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
It's called shill bidding.  It is wire-fraud - a federal crime.  Ergo anyone participating in such a scheme is conducting a scam.  An illegal scam - do you need any more justification that that to give a negative rep to all alts involved? 


I read this like autistic kid was blurting it out mid conversation and it made me smile.

So you looking to take this case to court or you just letting us know how smart you are for knowing such facts?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: xhomerx10 on April 14, 2016, 07:17:11 PM
You can read it any way you please sweetpea.
Its not worth enough on its own to interest law enforcement but I'm hoping there are enough members with trust who will eventually take notice and get out the red brush.

edit: for spelling correction




Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: jacee on April 15, 2016, 01:48:16 AM

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

As for proof he openly admitted to me that he bumped the price higher with the account he is selling.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=gngb44tc (http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=gngb44tc)
This is the estimator it has some positive trust in untrusted feedback.
I bumped up the price with my account so I'm sorry for that. So I'm ignoring the bid and assumed you to take the previous bid

I won't really give a big fuss about it since the amount is only small but as for honesty, I think this action is an obvious attempt of fraud and shouldn't be encouraged.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: hilariousandco on April 15, 2016, 07:57:10 AM
Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on April 15, 2016, 08:14:36 AM
Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.

I think this is the account : lolgato1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=729028)

You can see his bid in this auction thread which was right after the OP's.Maybe magic is me is involved as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435816.msg14532465#msg14532465


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: MagicIsMe on May 04, 2016, 12:45:11 PM
Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.

I think this is the account : lolgato1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=729028)

You can see his bid in this auction thread which was right after the OP's.Maybe magic is me is involved as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435816.msg14532465#msg14532465

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.
But, yes, I have witnessed some users that bump up their sales thread and/or give false feedback to themselves with alt accounts because I have had experience buying one from a user that did so.
Please report the PM to me directly. Who is the alt account? Magicisme? If so he's already got negative for something.
And up to now, I have no idea what that "something" is.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Blazed on May 05, 2016, 01:42:09 AM
Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: notlist3d on May 05, 2016, 01:57:04 AM
Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: MagicIsMe on May 05, 2016, 06:49:01 AM
Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full


Well, yeah, an innocent person would also file charges for false allegations. If I said that I didn't do it, what are the odds of him believing me? He'll probably raise up some other affiliation like followed comments etc. so I just asked him a straightforward question.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: notlist3d on May 05, 2016, 09:27:20 AM
Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full


Well, yeah, an innocent person would also file charges for false allegations. If I said that I didn't do it, what are the odds of him believing me? He'll probably raise up some other affiliation like followed comments etc. so I just asked him a straightforward question.

This is a internet forum a innocent person would not go file charges over this.  But they would deny it and say they did not do it, which you still have not did.   Not say how do you know I did it? I think and that is just my 2cents.

Are you denying doing it?  Or just denying no one has proved it?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: deuce22 on May 05, 2016, 05:12:25 PM
Yes, it is bad and should not be done


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: markj113 on May 05, 2016, 07:52:50 PM
agree, shill bidding is purely for the aim to extort additional funds from forum members and bang out of order.

If you have a minimum price in mind set a clear reserve or start price.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: MagicIsMe on May 07, 2016, 01:06:29 PM
Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full


Well, yeah, an innocent person would also file charges for false allegations. If I said that I didn't do it, what are the odds of him believing me? He'll probably raise up some other affiliation like followed comments etc. so I just asked him a straightforward question.

This is a internet forum a innocent person would not go file charges over this.  But they would deny it and say they did not do it, which you still have not did.   Not say how do you know I did it? I think and that is just my 2cents.

Are you denying doing it?  Or just denying no one has proved it?
I denied doing it and I explained myself in the first post.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: twister on June 04, 2016, 05:18:20 PM
I also think this is bad, added about this in the list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1333542.0) I created earlier.

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

Hope you guys stay true to your words..

Account auctioning goods: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=329021
Shill account used to up the bid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361617

Auction thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073157.0 archive: http://archive.is/sEJ9R

Shill account uses this address 1LN3DgFutZDzUnovVKFvTBeFYvHcwWVE9k here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060213#msg11060213

Account auctioning goods uses this address 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364280.msg13878564%23msg13878564

Archive: http://archive.is/bRVTc and http://archive.is/lXdFR#selection-1975.0-1975.34

Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3

Account one also tips his own shill account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060237#msg11060237  :D
https://blockchain.info/tx/161fdbc9636a04ca226af1c39aa2e3af0f727c79614695f73d9bbe73e3d4377b

He has done other auctions as well, I guess it is safe to assume, he probably would have done the same other times also with different alts.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ndnh on June 04, 2016, 06:06:39 PM
They should be penalized.

x10 the difference between the highest bid before the shill bid and the shill bid to mods*. ;D

*me, if they aren't interested


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Evildrum on June 04, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
That is a interesting idea of having the account pay a penalty for misrepresenting themselves in a auction.
Making it double the amount they are seeking should stop higher accounts from doing it but what about the lower accounts which many use to hide behind?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: KenR on June 04, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
Apart from the bidding part,the shill account is accused of running Ponzi's with multiple negative feedbacks.How soon should we wait to see the main account tagged by this reference ? Twister it would be nicer if you make a thread in the scam accusations thread.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 04, 2016, 08:15:41 PM
I also think this is bad, added about this in the list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1333542.0) I created earlier.

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

Hope you guys stay true to your words..

Account auctioning goods: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=329021
Shill account used to up the bid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361617

Auction thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073157.0 archive: http://archive.is/sEJ9R

Shill account uses this address 1LN3DgFutZDzUnovVKFvTBeFYvHcwWVE9k here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060213#msg11060213

Account auctioning goods uses this address 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364280.msg13878564%23msg13878564

Archive: http://archive.is/bRVTc and http://archive.is/lXdFR#selection-1975.0-1975.34

Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3

Account one also tips his own shill account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060237#msg11060237  :D
https://blockchain.info/tx/161fdbc9636a04ca226af1c39aa2e3af0f727c79614695f73d9bbe73e3d4377b

He has done other auctions as well, I guess it is safe to assume, he probably would have done the same other times also with different alts.

Quoting for reference.

EDIT: Seems shady but I can't continue research at the moment, will review more later.

Also uses alt to triple-dip in a .02BTC free giveaway by BiPolarBob
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630834#msg9630834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630692#msg9630692
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630803#msg9630803

https://blockchain.info/address/1QJGeUZ49RTczix8bsv1VLmcynsjPzmHZp
coins end up back to 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC

After conducting these shady activities, he sells off his accounts to scammers.
This is why you should not farm or trade accounts.
This guy is not a trustworthy person in my book.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Blazed on June 05, 2016, 01:22:48 AM
Well, you nailed him with the tx you posted. "Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3"







Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Quickseller on June 05, 2016, 04:17:24 AM
I also think this is bad, added about this in the list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1333542.0) I created earlier.

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

Hope you guys stay true to your words..

Account auctioning goods: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=329021
Shill account used to up the bid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361617

Auction thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073157.0 archive: http://archive.is/sEJ9R

Shill account uses this address 1LN3DgFutZDzUnovVKFvTBeFYvHcwWVE9k here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060213#msg11060213

Account auctioning goods uses this address 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364280.msg13878564%23msg13878564

Archive: http://archive.is/bRVTc and http://archive.is/lXdFR#selection-1975.0-1975.34

Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3

Account one also tips his own shill account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060237#msg11060237  :D
https://blockchain.info/tx/161fdbc9636a04ca226af1c39aa2e3af0f727c79614695f73d9bbe73e3d4377b

He has done other auctions as well, I guess it is safe to assume, he probably would have done the same other times also with different alts.

Quoting for reference.

EDIT: Seems shady but I can't continue research at the moment, will review more later.
It checks out, although I haven't checked if the account had been sold in the relevant time period, I doubt it though (I wouldn't be surprised if the shill account was sold prior to starting that ponzi though).

I won't personally leave trust in this case as the amount in question is only ~$1, and I wouldn't personally not release collateral over $1 if I was personally owed money and I wouldn't let $1 hold up a deal. I wouldn't exclude anyone who does leave him negative trust from my trust network though.

Regardless I think Alex.onfire should refund tidus1097 the 0.005 if he can get an address of his.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 05, 2016, 09:08:08 AM
I've updated my post... he also used the alt to double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob.

Greed has consumed this one.  :'(

https://youtu.be/P_RVL7m7OLo


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Quickseller on June 05, 2016, 03:56:00 PM
I've updated my post... he also used the alt to double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob.

Greed has consumed this one.  :'(
If you think that "only" double-dipping in BPB's giveaways is greedy, then you should take a look at this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918982.0)


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: twister on June 05, 2016, 05:45:53 PM
Apart from the bidding part,the shill account is accused of running Ponzi's with multiple negative feedbacks.How soon should we wait to see the main account tagged by this reference ? Twister it would be nicer if you make a thread in the scam accusations thread.

I would have, he has another alt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=205560 which also has negative trust but then there is always the alibi that the account was sold, even though sales can be faked. Person selling the account can buy the account themselves with an escrow in between.

I've updated my post... he also used the alt to double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob.

Greed has consumed this one.  :'(

https://youtu.be/P_RVL7m7OLo

He Triple-dipped actually and that's just unhygienic. >:(

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630834#msg9630834 Archive: http://archive.is/FBlPp#selection-6345.0-6338.4
https://blockchain.info/tx/5b9857ec5f5599173aa075ec9cf681b91c0d8596e07ab34f7fa8105fc5d2cf73


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 05, 2016, 09:45:50 PM
He Triple-dipped actually and that's just unhygienic. >:(

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630834#msg9630834 Archive: http://archive.is/FBlPp#selection-6345.0-6338.4
https://blockchain.info/tx/5b9857ec5f5599173aa075ec9cf681b91c0d8596e07ab34f7fa8105fc5d2cf73

Interesting... so since they are now linked to kaykawa, I assume its safe to now link alesx.onfire & betterangels to this list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Looks like kaykawa can also be linked to txbtc, txbtc can be linked to JosIzem and you can see all of the alts of JosIzem

So how far does this rabbit hole go??  :-\



Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: morantis on June 06, 2016, 05:00:36 AM
i remember seeing back dipping in the forums when the auctions were crazy busy.  if the bidding got higher quick, someone would try sneaking in a lower amount and hope that the only person that catches it is the next bidder, thus bringing the price back down to where that person could afford and maybe the others had moved on from the auction.  Sometimes worked, anyone that caught claimed a mistake or mistype


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: twister on June 06, 2016, 01:02:25 PM
Interesting... so since they are now linked to kaykawa, I assume its safe to now link alesx.onfire & betterangels to this list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Looks like kaykawa can also be linked to txbtc, txbtc can be linked to JosIzem and you can see all of the alts of JosIzem

So how far does this rabbit hole go??  :-\

I'd say all the way down to china. But wait for the "account changed hands" argument, ain't no way to counter that.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 01:27:54 AM
I received "Kaykawa & betterangels" from default loans years ago.
Months ago i sold both accounts.

I used escrow, i can show the proof & signed msg. (shorena & sebastianju)

I don't know why are you calling "scammer"?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Betterangels :

Coins released

-> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/95415c2a52acf26507f32385e60c185034723363a1f26a2400c96e49582f1be2

enjoy.

Email and password changed. Looks like everyhing is done.

Account secured?

Thank you for perfect deal.

So how can I get access to my purchased account?
-snip-

I already send it to you, here:

and the link for pot. acct.: http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=necr598t
archive: https://archive.is/RFhh0

-snip-
User : betterangels
Pass : changeme123
No secret question

BTC ADDRESS : 1v4N3J7GAeuQJZiWfA7ewmggdNoTSspxr

Posted in 2 posts (2014) :
1)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751056.msg9039531#msg9039531
2)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807195.msg9050330#msg9050330

The current status is "un-edited", archived :
https://web.archive.org/web/20160226142117/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807195.msg9050330#msg9050330
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751056.msg9039531
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________
Signed Message from 1v4N3J7GAeuQJZiWfA7ewmggdNoTSspxr  :
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________


Hi, this is betterangels (soanip95) from bitcointalk.org
Today (02/26/2016) I'm selling my account (betterangels) senior member 240+ (potential hero 505+) to mihtju for 0.12 ("shorena" as escrow).

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________
Signature:
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_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________

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kaykawa
Coins, login details and signature are on the way... :)

In case you want to tip me, see my donation jar in my profile page... (Left side of page... click on my username) or simply scan the QR-Code from my avatar picture. ;)

I would appreciate when you could post a review on my service thread, that i finally opened. :) Its located at [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102721).

I use http://www.cointape.com/ for checking out if the network gets spammed and i adjust the fee accordingly. If the network doesnt gets spammed i mostly use no fee or the minimum fee because the transaction then gets a confirmation fast too.

Till next time... ;)

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Sounds ok.
Waiting for the login details
Thank you.

There is a working signature from a post that was last edited on 10.11.2014. Should be pretty sure that this account is not hacked.

Posts 750, activity around 450.

Post quality is not so good, mostly only a couple of words though that doesn't matter to you since you don't want to join a signature campaign i guess.

It's a Sr. Member.

No default trust feedback, and untrusted positive feedback.

Let me know if you are fine with that account, then i can change pass and make a wrong email, then send it to you and you can secure it by changing pass again.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Account info, password and signed message sent to the escrow.


!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Payment has been made.

Yes, that fee works fine though a tenth of the fees worked fine before too. Bitcoin is losing slowly one of it's sales arguments which are free transactions. I think that is not good for adoption. Well, if they are successfull then it only will become worse. :/

Let's see how it will go. :)

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

idk know guys, blockchain is working fine for me, fast confirmations with 0.0001 fee.


Yeah, these guys that want to keep 1MB blockchain block in order to force the transaction fees to go up are unfortunately successfull. I never thought the developers would think so too. It's sad for bitcoin. :/

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Waiting for few hours on one blokchain transaction to come in, delayed unluckaley.
Hoping for it to come in in the next hours. Will send the payment as soons as the transaction clears

Such an old signed message sounds pretty safe. Waiting for funded escrow address.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Buyer, what details should i check when i have the account in escrow? I would receive the account and secure them when the escrow address is funded. Then i can check the details you want me to check.

Is there a signed message? If so please seller provide it to me too and a link to the post where that address was posted first.

When answering PM's, please always use "Reply to all" so that all involved parties get informed. And keep the quotes so that all trading partners and the escrow know exactly what deal the pm is meant for.

The escrow address is:
Code:
1DASLJ89qU21H3oUZixxXJixv96rBo96p1
Please ONLY send to an escrow address i sent you directly. Dont send to quotes the seller claims i wrote. Only if i send you the address directly its ensured the address is correct. I will attach a signature whose message contains the escrow address, signed with an old address of mine, i posted may 2013 on bitcointalk. See my Servicethread: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102721).

Before payment i would suggest you take a look at http://www.cointape.com/ to check out if the network gets spammed again. Below the graph there is shown what amount of fee is needed to get instant confirmation for a normal transaction, which means a transaction with coins coming from one address, and going to two addresses. That would be the target address and the source or a change address where the remaining coins are sent to. Checking that page could prevent that transactions are stuck for hours or days because they dont get a confirmation.

The payment of the bitcoins can be found and proved the fastest way through blockchain.info or automatically by email through bitcoinmonitor.net.

In case you are new to bitcoin trades on the forum or with escrows, please don't sit before the browser and click reload all the time. That is doing no one. Deals will take some hours, often days too. Some other escrows only log in once a day or even less than that.

Seller, whats the bitcoin address i should release the Bitcoins later to? Please send that info to escrow and buyer so that its easily proven i sent to the correct address.

Please buyer and seller make an arrangement when the Bitcoins should be released by me. So that everyone has the same thoughts about it.

In case signed messages has to be verified, then its the fastest to visit http://wallet-2sx53n.sakurity.com/#verify. Then you can proove fast if a signature, given by me or the seller, is correct and so you know that the address is controlled by the one giving the signature.

Escrowfee is donation based... see my donation jar in my profile page... (Left side of page... click on my username) or simply scan the QR-Code from my avatar picture. ;)

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
20160116 This is the escrow address for the trade from soanip95, as the seller to btc-surf, as the buyer and the escrow address is 1DASLJ89qU21H3oUZixxXJixv96rBo96p1
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1K2UFGCKyNQNx4h2m5ZRCaw9BWHTBcCZAA
G18MpvJzQKJy/dRbzX6XuzFUVrWiv1TUDcEEIjJ/1VCEQRlZRTNyv1Lp+bW4JldIrS1l6uH1vLUclAroqC1z6iI=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Message signed with an old address of mine, that i posted may 2013 on bitcointalk. See my Servicethread: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102721).

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Hi,

Can you help us as escrow?

I'm the seller (soanip95), and the buyer (btc-surf)

I'll sell an account :

Senior Member
Activity 476 (Will be hero @monday)
Posts 600+
No negative trust, no pending loans.
Signed message

Price : 0,27 BTC (@$100)

Please provide your btc address for this TX.

thanks



Thanks for the reply,

My btc address (seller/soanip95) is : 1Ctjt63DoB5umav1MM2gRZJpS1t9L1KbjA
The signed message will be from a post created in 2013, last edit in nov 2014.

@btc-surf: Send the btc to the escrow address.

thanks.

Also(that time, months ago) i was thinking in sell this (alesx.onfire) my main and only account, because i was in need of money.
But i didn't and i will never do that.

Hi guys, I'm going out of btc world for a while, and i have some overdue bills to pay, so, i'm selling my main account

alesx.onfire is my nick in all the internet forums, so, i'll no risk my reputation.
You can check for yourself (google).

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: notlist3d on June 07, 2016, 03:28:54 AM
snip****

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

So are you admitting you used a shill to bid up a auction?   You are kinda trying to move it down the road... but I think it is important and shows character of person.  It sounds like your admitting it just making sure.

Also what about the "double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob" do you admit to doing that?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 03:45:57 AM
snip****

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

So are you admitting you used a shill to bid up a auction?   You are kinda trying to move it down the road... but I think it is important and shows character of person.  It sounds like your admitting it just making sure.

Also what about the "double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob" do you admit to doing that?

Giveaway?
Yes, I did it (that time I was "new" in the btc world), and as you can see my english isn't my native language. that time I just was looking a way to earn/get some satoshis, but don't doing scam or something illegal.

I was using a paid signature too (bitstars and after :bitmixer).

After some hours of reading about the community, btc and altcoins I stopped using my "account" to get some kind of income. (SPAM signature, the current big problem in the content in this forum).

Then I started using my signature with a NO-paid sig campaign, as you can see.

2nd, the bid issue, I did it too, but I was just one time. (The digital "batman" key, obtained as a gift from buying a nvidia card @ amazon.
.

Like I said, i'm very transparent, I could easily delete the post and hide the evidence months ago, but I didn't.

"who owes nothing fears nothing."

in this case : If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.


(sorry my bad english).


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: notlist3d on June 07, 2016, 04:00:33 AM
snip****

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

So are you admitting you used a shill to bid up a auction?   You are kinda trying to move it down the road... but I think it is important and shows character of person.  It sounds like your admitting it just making sure.

Also what about the "double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob" do you admit to doing that?

Giveaway?
Yes, I did it (that time I was "new" in the btc world), and as you can see my english isn't my native language. that time I just was looking a way to earn/get some satoshis, but don't doing scam or something illegal.

I was using a paid signature too (bitstars and after :bitmixer).

After some hours of reading about the community, btc and altcoins I stopped using my "account" to get some kind of income. (SPAM signature, the current big problem in the content in this forum).

Then I started using my signature with a NO-paid sig campaign, as you can see.

2nd, the bid issue, I did it too, but I was just one time. (The digital "batman" key, obtained as a gift from buying a nvidia card @ amazon.

It was the 1st "bid" without other bids behind, so idk...
.

Like I said, i'm very transparent, I could easily delete the post and hide the evidence months ago, but I didn't.

"who owes nothing fears nothing."

in this case : If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.


(sorry my bad english).


Quoting so it remains here.  You have to realize when breaking a giveaway rules and entering multiple times.... you are doing something wrong.    I don't think it can be blamed on language barrier.   You chances are can expect negative feedback... but not getting in trouble with forum's.

No shill bidding is going to make you look even worse.   It is again something I don't think a language barrier would make ok.  You have to know it is wrong to list a auction and bid it up.  Possible trouble with forums on this one not sure up to people much more powerful then me.

So we not have admitting to two not great things.  I think "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" tag is likely to stay given character shown with act's like that.  But who knows I could be wrong.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 04:05:41 AM
They're asociating my account with scammer accounts, who scammed people with ponzi.

The proove is above, also you can ask to escrow ( sebastian and shorena).



Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: JesusHadAegis on June 07, 2016, 04:15:37 AM
Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

I think this is just common to the auction section. It's a  strategy for them to start and it might be risky. It is just bad if someone would report or it eassily plotted. because it's really hard to sell if you are without a starting bidder.

And i don't think the right word cheating. Think of it as a risky strategy. Because if no one answered to your bid then your gonna have a bad time doing amends to what happened.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 07, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
I received "Kaykawa & betterangels" from default loans years ago.
Months ago i sold both accounts.

I used escrow, i can show the proof & signed msg. (shorena & sebastianju)

I don't know why are you calling "scammer"?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Betterangels :

Coins released

-> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/95415c2a52acf26507f32385e60c185034723363a1f26a2400c96e49582f1be2

enjoy.

Email and password changed. Looks like everyhing is done.

Account secured?

Thank you for perfect deal.

So how can I get access to my purchased account?
-snip-

I already send it to you, here:

and the link for pot. acct.: http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=necr598t
archive: https://archive.is/RFhh0

-snip-
User : betterangels
Pass : changeme123
No secret question

BTC ADDRESS : 1v4N3J7GAeuQJZiWfA7ewmggdNoTSspxr

Posted in 2 posts (2014) :
1)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751056.msg9039531#msg9039531
2)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807195.msg9050330#msg9050330

The current status is "un-edited", archived :
https://web.archive.org/web/20160226142117/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807195.msg9050330#msg9050330
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751056.msg9039531
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________
Signed Message from 1v4N3J7GAeuQJZiWfA7ewmggdNoTSspxr  :
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________


Hi, this is betterangels (soanip95) from bitcointalk.org
Today (02/26/2016) I'm selling my account (betterangels) senior member 240+ (potential hero 505+) to mihtju for 0.12 ("shorena" as escrow).

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________
Signature:
HM2iLJM3BeAwmdKBt+DTAOZVsDkLUgtMUnLNb03NFnlfHrqQlyoiQxvDXG+io5KykKurVhOURQ5B/mfS4hCI/Rw=

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________

:.........................................

kaykawa
Coins, login details and signature are on the way... :)

In case you want to tip me, see my donation jar in my profile page... (Left side of page... click on my username) or simply scan the QR-Code from my avatar picture. ;)

I would appreciate when you could post a review on my service thread, that i finally opened. :) Its located at [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102721).

I use http://www.cointape.com/ for checking out if the network gets spammed and i adjust the fee accordingly. If the network doesnt gets spammed i mostly use no fee or the minimum fee because the transaction then gets a confirmation fast too.

Till next time... ;)

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Sounds ok.
Waiting for the login details
Thank you.

There is a working signature from a post that was last edited on 10.11.2014. Should be pretty sure that this account is not hacked.

Posts 750, activity around 450.

Post quality is not so good, mostly only a couple of words though that doesn't matter to you since you don't want to join a signature campaign i guess.

It's a Sr. Member.

No default trust feedback, and untrusted positive feedback.

Let me know if you are fine with that account, then i can change pass and make a wrong email, then send it to you and you can secure it by changing pass again.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Account info, password and signed message sent to the escrow.


!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Payment has been made.

Yes, that fee works fine though a tenth of the fees worked fine before too. Bitcoin is losing slowly one of it's sales arguments which are free transactions. I think that is not good for adoption. Well, if they are successfull then it only will become worse. :/

Let's see how it will go. :)

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

idk know guys, blockchain is working fine for me, fast confirmations with 0.0001 fee.


Yeah, these guys that want to keep 1MB blockchain block in order to force the transaction fees to go up are unfortunately successfull. I never thought the developers would think so too. It's sad for bitcoin. :/

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Waiting for few hours on one blokchain transaction to come in, delayed unluckaley.
Hoping for it to come in in the next hours. Will send the payment as soons as the transaction clears

Such an old signed message sounds pretty safe. Waiting for funded escrow address.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Buyer, what details should i check when i have the account in escrow? I would receive the account and secure them when the escrow address is funded. Then i can check the details you want me to check.

Is there a signed message? If so please seller provide it to me too and a link to the post where that address was posted first.

When answering PM's, please always use "Reply to all" so that all involved parties get informed. And keep the quotes so that all trading partners and the escrow know exactly what deal the pm is meant for.

The escrow address is:
Code:
1DASLJ89qU21H3oUZixxXJixv96rBo96p1
Please ONLY send to an escrow address i sent you directly. Dont send to quotes the seller claims i wrote. Only if i send you the address directly its ensured the address is correct. I will attach a signature whose message contains the escrow address, signed with an old address of mine, i posted may 2013 on bitcointalk. See my Servicethread: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102721).

Before payment i would suggest you take a look at http://www.cointape.com/ to check out if the network gets spammed again. Below the graph there is shown what amount of fee is needed to get instant confirmation for a normal transaction, which means a transaction with coins coming from one address, and going to two addresses. That would be the target address and the source or a change address where the remaining coins are sent to. Checking that page could prevent that transactions are stuck for hours or days because they dont get a confirmation.

The payment of the bitcoins can be found and proved the fastest way through blockchain.info or automatically by email through bitcoinmonitor.net.

In case you are new to bitcoin trades on the forum or with escrows, please don't sit before the browser and click reload all the time. That is doing no one. Deals will take some hours, often days too. Some other escrows only log in once a day or even less than that.

Seller, whats the bitcoin address i should release the Bitcoins later to? Please send that info to escrow and buyer so that its easily proven i sent to the correct address.

Please buyer and seller make an arrangement when the Bitcoins should be released by me. So that everyone has the same thoughts about it.

In case signed messages has to be verified, then its the fastest to visit http://wallet-2sx53n.sakurity.com/#verify. Then you can proove fast if a signature, given by me or the seller, is correct and so you know that the address is controlled by the one giving the signature.

Escrowfee is donation based... see my donation jar in my profile page... (Left side of page... click on my username) or simply scan the QR-Code from my avatar picture. ;)

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
20160116 This is the escrow address for the trade from soanip95, as the seller to btc-surf, as the buyer and the escrow address is 1DASLJ89qU21H3oUZixxXJixv96rBo96p1
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1K2UFGCKyNQNx4h2m5ZRCaw9BWHTBcCZAA
G18MpvJzQKJy/dRbzX6XuzFUVrWiv1TUDcEEIjJ/1VCEQRlZRTNyv1Lp+bW4JldIrS1l6uH1vLUclAroqC1z6iI=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Message signed with an old address of mine, that i posted may 2013 on bitcointalk. See my Servicethread: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102721).

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

Hi,

Can you help us as escrow?

I'm the seller (soanip95), and the buyer (btc-surf)

I'll sell an account :

Senior Member
Activity 476 (Will be hero @monday)
Posts 600+
No negative trust, no pending loans.
Signed message

Price : 0,27 BTC (@$100)

Please provide your btc address for this TX.

thanks



Thanks for the reply,

My btc address (seller/soanip95) is : 1Ctjt63DoB5umav1MM2gRZJpS1t9L1KbjA
The signed message will be from a post created in 2013, last edit in nov 2014.

@btc-surf: Send the btc to the escrow address.

thanks.

Also(that time, months ago) i was thinking in sell this (alesx.onfire) my main and only account, because i was in need of money.
But i didn't and i will never do that.

Hi guys, I'm going out of btc world for a while, and i have some overdue bills to pay, so, i'm selling my main account

alesx.onfire is my nick in all the internet forums, so, i'll no risk my reputation.
You can check for yourself (google).

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).



You are admitting that you owned kaykawa before January 16th. This shows you were trying to dump the account that after it was linked to the scammers. You sold it the day AFTER the thread was started. The thread which links kaykawa to txbtc, JosIzem, etc. Furthermore, the transaction that links you all was from January 7th. It appears you start alt accounts to scam people or conduct shady practices, with the hope that they would never be linked to your "main" account, but it looks like you were wrong.

As for betterangels, if this sale is confirmed by the escrow, then you may not be linked to the ponzi operation, but you still used the account for the double/triple dipping giveaway and shill bidding.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 11:23:02 AM
I received kaykawa in 2014 (collateral) from a default loan as "full member".

I'm searching the thread and proof.

I'm not envolved with any of these users.


I was wrong, editing...
______________________________________
______________________________________

My last post with "kaykawa" account was on: July 30, 2015, 12:54:01 AM (You can check the post history and writting style).

On January 16 I sold other account (collateral loan 2014/2015 too), not "kaykawa".
Kaykawa was sold in 2015, July 30th.

I'm searching the signed message and escrow quote.


In 2014 kaykawa (original owner) was looking a loan :
i need loan 0.1 btc
duration:2days
Interest rate:20%
2/10 i will send back you 0.12BTC
If you can loan me i'm very gratitude
thanks..and there is my address
1LwytbvRBPsjY6g1q7tfqes4VuypoWk1hD
i need loan 0.1 btc
duration:2days
Interest rate:20%
2/10 i will send back you 0.12BTC
If you can loan me i'm very gratitude
thanks..and there is my address
1LwytbvRBPsjY6g1q7tfqes4VuypoWk1hD

This was posted in my Thread :
Loan Amount: 0.07
Amount to be repaid: 0.084
Repayment Date: 3 of october.
Collateral : Bitcointalk account
My btc Address:  1Ea9T77HXGJ8ndasLXQyMwPx4vx98wBDCL

thanks
on: September 30, 2014

on: October 04, 2014 I started using the account.

http://i.imgur.com/tuyIaZ3.png

==============================================
==============================================
KAYKAWA :


This was saved by @twister :
https://archive.is/i17Rn
http://i.imgur.com/73KPFsi.png

That's the reason why he tagged me as " Account Farmer ".
=============================================
=============================================


I found it :

KAYKAWA :

Hello master-P,

I am requesting your assistance to help as escrow a transaction between me "The Buyer" (Dogedigital)  and me "the seller" (alesx.onfire) for :

1 x Hero Account, with signed message 2014.

---------------------------------------
Total will be 0.4 BTC
---------------------------------------
I'll pay the escrow fee (1%)

My BTC address is 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC
(release 0.39)

If you can help escrow this transaction please let us know, and provide your btc address.

Thanks

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

Yes, I can help escrow this transaction's account sale.

Buyer can send BTC to the following escrow address: 1CzS9Us7My9ohxwnh7WaQjanWmQVXWz9s

Seller can send me the account details for me to secure in a separate PM once the above address has been funded by the buyer.

Once I've secured the account and see that it matches the criteria posted on the sales thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138339.0) I will release the account to the buyer to secure.

I will release funds to the seller upon confirmation of the buyer securing the account.

Escrow by master-P: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932294

Regards

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https://blockchain.info/address/1CzS9Us7My9ohxwnh7WaQjanWmQVXWz9s

.4 for seller.  I trust that both of you will keep this discrete and off the record.

Account Info & signed msg sent to master-p


Alright all done guys.

Account is in control of the buyer and payment has been released to seller.

Thanks for using my service and I appreciate the tip from both of you :)

Regards



Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 12:10:10 PM
Hi,

Here's the account details:

Username : kaykawa
Password : a123456z

Signed msg (address, unedited post) :  October 08, 2014, 05:41:32 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=814895.msg9125190#msg9125190


Address:
1HqVK6q55SzUHBmLh1HGTZJwA9KV5hEz1H

Hi, this is alesx.onfire of bitcointalk.
I'm sending the info account of "kaykawa" hero member to escro (master-p) today july 30.

Signature:
HOzvJ5KvWqh0ZTJ5xmxjO9NtJByKl3hFMpDBLxa//rN9Xl/ZTZShj3xtSZ1t2HJiuV+v/jbkTgHb+fIOFNy1HHE=


Please change the account password and email, and send it to the buyer, Dogedigital.



Since that day, the account (kaykawa) was out of my control, the new owner was "Dogedigital".
Maybe he sold the account later, or is the guy you are looking for.

It's time to make the right question to him.


http://i.imgur.com/CEYf3rz.png


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: twister on June 07, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
On January 16 I sold other account (collateral loan 2014/2015 too), not "kaykawa".

A little off topic but may I suggest maintaining a diary, so you can keep track of which account you sold to whom using which alt. It'll help you achieve more success in this profession.

This was saved by @twister :
https://archive.is/i17Rn
http://i.imgur.com/73KPFsi.png
That's the reason why he tagged me as " Account Farmer ".

I am sorry about that, I can see how that must have caused inconvenience for you when you tried to sell your main account. even though you left me negative trust mentioning that you would never do that.

http://i.imgur.com/g0uY5sI.png

-but you tried..

Also(that time, months ago) i was thinking in sell this (alesx.onfire) my main and only account, because i was in need of money.
But i didn't and i will never do that.couldn't get the right price, will do it for fair price in future

Hi guys, I'm going out of btc world for a while, and i have some overdue bills to pay, so, i'm selling my main account

FTFY


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 09:55:37 PM
Loan Amount: 0.07
Amount to be repaid: 0.084
Repayment Date: 3 of october.
Collateral : Bitcointalk account
My btc Address:  1Ea9T77HXGJ8ndasLXQyMwPx4vx98wBDCL

thanks

Aproved!  :)

Collateral received.

0.07 BTC sent to your btc address
Tx ID : https://blockchain.info/tx/810edda5ccda7b457242b51b8585b048db7f9cd3c0f21f33d00fe1d820aca075 (https://blockchain.info/tx/810edda5ccda7b457242b51b8585b048db7f9cd3c0f21f33d00fe1d820aca075)
Repayment address : 1Q1vSLkpDv8XsHVExsd5xUqYHk2SyXxiqr  

 :)

hi when you here pm me:)


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 07, 2016, 11:37:05 PM
Guys, the big problem here (for me), is that you are judging and asociating me to ponzi operations and scammers.

As I said, there's public info about me in internet, due my participation in different forums (technology and business related).

Then, the point is that any victim of these guys (ponzi : betterangels/kaykawa) can easily start demand or call the police, due your "supposition".

I was the previous owner of these accounts (I received it from collateral, loans) in 2014 (The proof is above, and in the other pages), after some months I sold them. (escrow quotes and signed mesages).

My only "crime"? here was use it to make '1' bid in my own auction (I did it, it's true) and claim a second time one of the "bipolarbob' giveaway.

I need to be judged for that, i'm consient (I did it, it was my fault, It were my first "steps" in this crypto-world)
And I need to be penalized just for that, nothing more.

example:

If you receive a car from a defaulted loan, you use it a few months, after that you sell it.... and in the next year the "car" is asociated to a "murder"/crime, and the people start searching the murderer/autor, and incriminate you.

What are you going to do?
Of course, show proofs that you sold the car (In this case escrow quoted and signed messages)
and
Give the info about the "buyer". (I did it too).

Then?.

What more did you need?.

As I said, first resolve this missurdestanding, and after that we can talk about the other things.

This is very important for me.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Decoded on June 07, 2016, 11:52:17 PM
Alert the bidders and leave a PSA. If you can prove that these two guys are one and the same, I believe they deserve a negative rep or at least a neutral rep from DT.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 12:05:11 PM
I gave the account away several months ago.

Kind of stupid tagging me without asking me about the situation. Especially in something with a previous transaction that was supposed to be kept confidential.

Quite disappointed in alesx.  Next time try to clear things up in a sensible way instead of trying to throw everybody else to the wolves to save your own ass.





Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 08, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
It was confidential until the account was used to scam users with a ponzi.

Then they started associating "kaykawa" account to me.

I was the Owner of Kaykawa account til July 30/2015.
I was the Owner of Betterangels account til Feb 26/2016.

In this case, the escrow/buyer/dates quotes are in my last posts.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
It was confidential until the account was used to scam users with a ponzi.

Then they started associating "kaykawa" account to me.

I was the Owner of Kaykawa account til July 30/2015.
I was the Owner of Betterangels account til Feb 26/2016.

In this case, the escrow/buyer/dates quotes are in my last posts.

You don't have that right.  That's the worst policy ever.  You explicitly agreed to keep the transaction private.

Especially knowing the nature of sold and transferred accounts, you need to contact me and see what actually happened instead of blindly throwing me to the fire. 


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
I gave the account away to a user that did graphics for me on Skype.  This was just after Christmas. 

I had the kaykawa account from July 31 (4:23:35PM) - December 26.

You can obviously tell the difference in the way we speak and that the account was used for graphics services (I absolutely suck at drawing).

The 'alts' connected to that account are all Indian based.  I am from Canada.  This is me (bitrated.com/dogedigital).  I am not Kaykawa and have no involvement in that account from Dec 26 onward.



Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 08, 2016, 01:53:53 PM
About shill bidding (1 time in my own auction) and double-dip (BPB thread) with 2 alts, I did it, I'm not saying I didn't.
It was my fault, a big mistake, but i was "new" in the crypto world when i did it. (2014)


We learn of our mistakes, no one is innocent, we have done something wrong/bad in the past, and we are living with it.

And I need to pay JUST for that (I'm open to do a donation to some BTC/Charity entity).

I didn't run a Ponzi, and I'm not related/asociated with the owners of that accounts.

@Dogedigital, I'm not throwing you to the fire, I quoted "when" i sold the account, and who was the "buyer".
Without that, how can I proove that i did it?.

Anyway, you just need to show a signed message or something.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
About shill bidding (1 time in my own auction) and double-dip (BPB thread) with 2 alts, I did it, I'm not saying I didn't.
And I need to pay JUST for that (I'm open to do a donation to some BTC/Charity entity).

I didn't run a Ponzi, and I'm not related/asociated with the owners of that accounts.

@Dogedigital, I'm not throwing you to the fire, I quoted "when" i sold the account, and who was the "buyer".
Without that, how can I proove that i did it?.

Anyway, you just need to show a signed message or something.

Are you joking me? 

"Since that day, the account (kaykawa) was out of my control, the new owner was "Dogedigital".
Maybe he sold the account later, or is the guy you are looking for.

It's time to make the right question to him.


http://i.imgur.com/CEYf3rz.png"

That's your exact quote.  You even went as far as to BOLD my name and the statement to ask me instead when you didn't even have the courtesy or balls to ask me or inform me of what was going on first. 

That's exactly throwing me to the fire. Think before you act.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: alesx.onfire on June 08, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
the new owner was "Dogedigital".
Maybe he sold the account later, or is the guy you are looking for.

Just suppositions

I'm not saying : "He's the guy, crucify him!"

I'm so sorry for this, but this situation is stressful for me, too.

You just need to prove that you sold the account before the scam accusations.
(TX id, sgined message, escrow quote,etc)


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 02:20:56 PM
the new owner was "Dogedigital".
Maybe he sold the account later, or is the guy you are looking for.

Just suppositions

I'm not saying : "He's the guy, crucify him!"

I'm so sorry for this, but this situation is stressful for me, too.

You just need to prove that you sold the account before the scam accusations.
(TX id, sgined message, escrow quote,etc)


"It's time to make the right question to him."

Just stop man.  ^ That's what you bolded.  

Why put emphasis on that when you didn't even reach out to me?  You're clearly trying to divert attention away from yourself and on to me.  That's cowardly.  

As I said before, I didn't sell it, I gave it away to a person that did graphics for me.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 08, 2016, 05:35:12 PM
I gave the account away several months ago.

Kind of stupid tagging me without asking me about the situation. Especially in something with a previous transaction that was supposed to be kept confidential.

Quite disappointed in alesx.  Next time try to clear things up in a sensible way instead of trying to throw everybody else to the wolves to save your own ass.

I like to keep trust issues out in the open so everyone can see what is going on.
Messaging a potential scammer to check with them just tips them off and they could just tell a few lies to delay the feedback for a few days and sell the account before they get tagged.

Everyone on this forum should be aware when accounts change hands. The only proof I have seen at this point shows you as the last owner of the kaykawa account. Outside of a writing style change, I have no reason to believe it switched hands again after you owned it. You unfortunately haven't shown any proof otherwise. If your being honest, who did you give away the account to and do you have any type of proof? 

If there is another person involved as of December, then that person appears to be linked to scammers due to an address posted in January. So are you a scammer, or are you doing business with one?

The fact that you guys all hide these account trades is shady in and of itself. If you want to sell your account, do it publicly so everyone is aware and neutral trust can be left on the account stating it has changed hands.

You are both running into a good reason why you should never sell your accounts.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 06:09:44 PM
I gave the account away several months ago.

Kind of stupid tagging me without asking me about the situation. Especially in something with a previous transaction that was supposed to be kept confidential.

Quite disappointed in alesx.  Next time try to clear things up in a sensible way instead of trying to throw everybody else to the wolves to save your own ass.

I like to keep trust issues out in the open so everyone can see what is going on.
Messaging a potential scammer to check with them just tips them off and they could just tell a few lies to delay the feedback for a few days and sell the account before they get tagged.

Everyone on this forum should be aware when accounts change hands. The only proof I have seen at this point shows you as the last owner of the kaykawa account. Outside of a writing style change, I have no reason to believe it switched hands again after you owned it. You unfortunately haven't shown any proof otherwise. If your being honest, who did you give away the account to and do you have any type of proof?  

If there is another person involved as of December, then that person appears to be linked to scammers due to an address posted in January. So are you a scammer, or are you doing business with one?

The fact that you guys all hide these account trades is shady in and of itself. If you want to sell your account, do it publicly so everyone is aware and neutral trust can be left on the account stating it has changed hands.

You are both running into a good reason why you should never sell your accounts.

I didn't sell the account.  I gave it away.  If it was up to me, all account sales would be banned.

I gave it to 'Supers Sonic' on skype.  Also goes by 'Nauro' on bitcointalk.  He did graphics for me in the past and kept hitting me up for work.  I didn't really want to pay him anything, but he was insistent and it was Christmas time, so I told him he could have my account to make money from signature campaign.  


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It's quite ridiculous that I now have to prove myself from these accusations.  

This was why I wanted my first purchase of the account to be private because I don't want any connections to it after I'm done with it and yet  I have to listen to your condescending 'shady' comments.  

I get that you're trying to 'help' the public.  I just really think it could have been handled much better and with actual professionalism.  

I'm part of 3 people that are trusted with over 1000btc in our possession.  A quick look into myself would have led you to the logical realization that I'd have no reason to involve myself in shady behaviour.  

I sent him a message today on Skype

[8:35:10 AM] Doge Digital: Dude, wtf?  I'm negative trust marked because of the account I gave you
[11:19:58 AM] supers sonic: this is hilarious !
[11:20:01 AM] supers sonic: simply tell them
[11:20:25 AM] Doge Digital: tell them what?
[11:21:24 AM] supers sonic: that u sold account
[11:21:24 AM] supers sonic: and its not against TOS
[11:21:49 AM] supers sonic: if you sell a account and the person who bought scams u dont are responsible
[11:21:54 AM] supers sonic: moreover u didnt sold priv keys
[11:22:03 AM] supers sonic: so no intentions to sell trust
[11:22:09 AM] supers sonic: moreover with kaykawa accunt
[11:22:13 AM] supers sonic: NO SCAM HA BEEN DONE !
[11:22:36 AM] Doge Digital: I'll see how it goes first.  It should be taken care of now.  I'll message if anything goes wrong further
[11:22:49 AM] supers sonic: please can you lin me though
[11:22:51 AM] supers sonic: I want to see
[11:22:59 AM] supers sonic: now what reason those guys generated
[11:23:07 AM] Doge Digital: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1436577.msg15113090#msg15113090
[11:23:13 AM] supers sonic: really some guys there like lutpin , etc and just too much :(
[11:23:38 AM] supers sonic: u hacked his account ?
[11:23:46 AM] Doge Digital: whos account?  I don't know how to hack lol
[11:23:50 AM] supers sonic: well, u see I took account from you
[11:24:01 AM] supers sonic: he is saying he : Since that day, the account (kaykawa) was out of my control, the new owner was "Dogedigital".
[11:24:09 AM] Doge Digital: oh... no, i bought it from him
[11:24:16 AM] supers sonic: why he saying so then ?
[11:24:28 AM] Doge Digital: He's saying that he's not kaykawa
[11:24:35 AM] Doge Digital: he was saying that I was kaykawa
[11:24:43 AM] Doge Digital: which i was for like 3 months until i gave it to you
[11:24:50 AM] Doge Digital: but since you have red trust
[11:24:55 AM] Doge Digital: they're linking me to it
[11:24:56 AM] supers sonic: well, we can prove this that u sold it
[11:25:01 AM] supers sonic: I have proof !
[11:25:06 AM] supers sonic: how u want to know ?
[11:25:22 AM] supers sonic: a person messaged me that he owns me ( kaykawa account ) some 2 btc as he scammed him
[11:25:27 AM] supers sonic: I said sorry I have bought this accunt now
[11:26:08 AM] supers sonic: what the actual problem sis ?
[11:26:10 AM] supers sonic: is*
[11:26:18 AM] Doge Digital: Just that they think i'm kaykawa
[11:26:19 AM] supers sonic: He is clearly saying that he was the owner
[11:26:24 AM] supers sonic: no
[11:26:28 AM] supers sonic: see this post 1 min
[11:26:40 AM] supers sonic: @Dogedigital, I'm not throwing you to the fire, I quoted "when" i sold the account, and who was the "buyer".
Without that, how can I proove that i did it?.
[11:26:48 AM] supers sonic: looks like kaykawa was his account and got hacked ?
[11:27:32 AM] Doge Digital: no, I was saying that he was accusing me and trying to get people after me instead of him
[11:27:45 AM] supers sonic: ok and main thing
[11:27:48 AM] supers sonic: what wrong kaykawa did
[11:27:51 AM] supers sonic: ?
[11:27:58 AM] supers sonic: why they think kaykawa is scammer man ?
[11:28:22 AM] supers sonic: I mean why they looking who is kaykawa ?
[11:28:30 AM] supers sonic: that account scammed anyone earlier or what ?
[11:29:25 AM] Doge Digital: No
[11:29:34 AM] Doge Digital: Kaykawa has red trust
[11:29:38 AM] Doge Digital: Since they think i'm kaykawa
[11:29:42 AM] supers sonic: ohhh ..
[11:29:44 AM] Doge Digital: someone gave me red trust
[11:29:53 AM] supers sonic: must be lutpin idiot ..
[11:29:59 AM] supers sonic: anyways wait let me think something
[11:31:52 AM] supers sonic: see this
[11:32:04 AM] supers sonic: http://prntscr.com/bdwole
[11:32:25 AM] supers sonic: u can see I told him that I hve bought this account
[11:32:33 AM] supers sonic: so this is obvious, no ? that I have bought it ?
[11:32:50 AM] Doge Digital: i dunno.  just let it be for now i guess.
[11:32:57 AM] Doge Digital: I'll msg you if the guy still doesn't un mark me
[11:33:06 AM] supers sonic: ok
[11:33:14 AM] supers sonic: i am very sorry because of me you get red
[11:33:45 AM] supers sonic: shall I msg ibminer too ?
[11:33:50 AM] supers sonic: or wait til you guide me ?
[11:33:53 AM] Doge Digital: i'd just wait
[11:33:58 AM] Doge Digital: let's see if it corrects itself first
[11:33:59 AM] supers sonic: ok ..
[11:34:05 AM] supers sonic: ohok if not
[11:34:07 AM] supers sonic: I HAVE MANY PROOFS
[11:34:11 AM] supers sonic: we have skype history
[11:34:15 AM] supers sonic: which WE CANNOT CREATE
[11:34:17 AM] supers sonic: right ?
[11:34:20 AM] supers sonic: then we have that messages
[11:34:30 AM] Doge Digital: yea.  should be ok.
[11:34:32 AM] supers sonic: moreover once i remember was asked to sgn message and I fail to ...
[11:34:36 AM] supers sonic: anyways sorry .
[11:36:39 AM] supers sonic: andat last if nothing works , ask a mod to have a ip scan
[11:36:50 AM] supers sonic: clearly ur ip would be different from me .. range too i mean
[11:36:55 AM] supers sonic: anyways bye have to go for now.
[11:37:01 AM] supers sonic: any work for me any design ?
[11:38:25 AM] Doge Digital: Not at this moment.  Perhaps soon though
[11:38:41 AM] supers sonic: thanks, please let me know, I am always keen to design for you.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 06:17:23 PM
I'd also like to point out the fact that the account kaykawa has red trust only because it is linked to those other alts.

So by marking my account, you are saying that I am all those other accounts as well and yet you claim that you don't see any other proof other than a styling change.

 What exactly led you to believe that I am all those other people?

Honestly, this is absurd.  

You're so quick to tag people without doing any type of due diligence on the matter and then above that you have the audacity to label me as a shady account seller and point blank say that I am a scammer or do business with one?

You're simply trying to play cop and are doing a bad job at it.  

Shame on you ibminer.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 08, 2016, 06:39:05 PM
I gave the account away several months ago.

Kind of stupid tagging me without asking me about the situation. Especially in something with a previous transaction that was supposed to be kept confidential.

Quite disappointed in alesx.  Next time try to clear things up in a sensible way instead of trying to throw everybody else to the wolves to save your own ass.

I like to keep trust issues out in the open so everyone can see what is going on.
Messaging a potential scammer to check with them just tips them off and they could just tell a few lies to delay the feedback for a few days and sell the account before they get tagged.

Everyone on this forum should be aware when accounts change hands. The only proof I have seen at this point shows you as the last owner of the kaykawa account. Outside of a writing style change, I have no reason to believe it switched hands again after you owned it. You unfortunately haven't shown any proof otherwise. If your being honest, who did you give away the account to and do you have any type of proof?  

If there is another person involved as of December, then that person appears to be linked to scammers due to an address posted in January. So are you a scammer, or are you doing business with one?

The fact that you guys all hide these account trades is shady in and of itself. If you want to sell your account, do it publicly so everyone is aware and neutral trust can be left on the account stating it has changed hands.

You are both running into a good reason why you should never sell your accounts.

I didn't sell the account.  I gave it away.  If it was up to me, all account sales would be banned.

I gave it to 'Supers Sonic' on skype.  Also goes by 'Nauro' on bitcointalk.  He did graphics for me in the past and kept hitting me up for work.  I didn't really want to pay him anything, but he was insistent and it was Christmas time, so I told him he could have my account to make money from signature campaign.  


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It's quite ridiculous that I now have to prove myself from these accusations.  

This was why I wanted my first purchase of the account to be private because I don't want any connections to it after I'm done with it and yet  I have to listen to your condescending 'shady' comments.  

I get that you're trying to 'help' the public.  I just really think it could have been handled much better and with actual professionalism.  

I'm part of 3 people that hold over 1000btc in our possession.  A quick look into myself would have led you to the logical realization that I'd have no reason to involve myself in shady behaviour.  

I sent him a message today on Skype (http://imgur.com/fVj6cv7)

All of it because it's pretty hard to read:

[8:35:10 AM] Doge Digital: Dude, wtf?  I'm negative trust marked because of the account I gave you
[11:19:58 AM] supers sonic: this is hilarious !
[11:20:01 AM] supers sonic: simply tell them
[11:20:25 AM] Doge Digital: tell them what?
[11:21:24 AM] supers sonic: that u sold account
[11:21:24 AM] supers sonic: and its not against TOS
[11:21:49 AM] supers sonic: if you sell a account and the person who bought scams u dont are responsible
[11:21:54 AM] supers sonic: moreover u didnt sold priv keys
[11:22:03 AM] supers sonic: so no intentions to sell trust
[11:22:09 AM] supers sonic: moreover with kaykawa accunt
[11:22:13 AM] supers sonic: NO SCAM HA BEEN DONE !
[11:22:36 AM] Doge Digital: I'll see how it goes first.  It should be taken care of now.  I'll message if anything goes wrong further
[11:22:49 AM] supers sonic: please can you lin me though
[11:22:51 AM] supers sonic: I want to see
[11:22:59 AM] supers sonic: now what reason those guys generated
[11:23:07 AM] Doge Digital: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1436577.msg15113090#msg15113090
[11:23:13 AM] supers sonic: really some guys there like lutpin , etc and just too much :(
[11:23:38 AM] supers sonic: u hacked his account ?
[11:23:46 AM] Doge Digital: whos account?  I don't know how to hack lol
[11:23:50 AM] supers sonic: well, u see I took account from you
[11:24:01 AM] supers sonic: he is saying he : Since that day, the account (kaykawa) was out of my control, the new owner was "Dogedigital".
[11:24:09 AM] Doge Digital: oh... no, i bought it from him
[11:24:16 AM] supers sonic: why he saying so then ?
[11:24:28 AM] Doge Digital: He's saying that he's not kaykawa
[11:24:35 AM] Doge Digital: he was saying that I was kaykawa
[11:24:43 AM] Doge Digital: which i was for like 3 months until i gave it to you
[11:24:50 AM] Doge Digital: but since you have red trust
[11:24:55 AM] Doge Digital: they're linking me to it
[11:24:56 AM] supers sonic: well, we can prove this that u sold it
[11:25:01 AM] supers sonic: I have proof !
[11:25:06 AM] supers sonic: how u want to know ?
[11:25:22 AM] supers sonic: a person messaged me that he owns me ( kaykawa account ) some 2 btc as he scammed him
[11:25:27 AM] supers sonic: I said sorry I have bought this accunt now
[11:26:08 AM] supers sonic: what the actual problem sis ?
[11:26:10 AM] supers sonic: is*
[11:26:18 AM] Doge Digital: Just that they think i'm kaykawa
[11:26:19 AM] supers sonic: He is clearly saying that he was the owner
[11:26:24 AM] supers sonic: no
[11:26:28 AM] supers sonic: see this post 1 min
[11:26:40 AM] supers sonic: @Dogedigital, I'm not throwing you to the fire, I quoted "when" i sold the account, and who was the "buyer".
Without that, how can I proove that i did it?.
[11:26:48 AM] supers sonic: looks like kaykawa was his account and got hacked ?
[11:27:32 AM] Doge Digital: no, I was saying that he was accusing me and trying to get people after me instead of him
[11:27:45 AM] supers sonic: ok and main thing
[11:27:48 AM] supers sonic: what wrong kaykawa did
[11:27:51 AM] supers sonic: ?
[11:27:58 AM] supers sonic: why they think kaykawa is scammer man ?
[11:28:22 AM] supers sonic: I mean why they looking who is kaykawa ?
[11:28:30 AM] supers sonic: that account scammed anyone earlier or what ?
[11:29:25 AM] Doge Digital: No
[11:29:34 AM] Doge Digital: Kaykawa has red trust
[11:29:38 AM] Doge Digital: Since they think i'm kaykawa
[11:29:42 AM] supers sonic: ohhh ..
[11:29:44 AM] Doge Digital: someone gave me red trust
[11:29:53 AM] supers sonic: must be lutpin idiot ..
[11:29:59 AM] supers sonic: anyways wait let me think something
[11:31:52 AM] supers sonic: see this
[11:32:04 AM] supers sonic: http://prntscr.com/bdwole
[11:32:25 AM] supers sonic: u can see I told him that I hve bought this account
[11:32:33 AM] supers sonic: so this is obvious, no ? that I have bought it ?
[11:32:50 AM] Doge Digital: i dunno.  just let it be for now i guess.
[11:32:57 AM] Doge Digital: I'll msg you if the guy still doesn't un mark me
[11:33:06 AM] supers sonic: ok
[11:33:14 AM] supers sonic: i am very sorry because of me you get red
[11:33:45 AM] supers sonic: shall I msg ibminer too ?
[11:33:50 AM] supers sonic: or wait til you guide me ?
[11:33:53 AM] Doge Digital: i'd just wait
[11:33:58 AM] Doge Digital: let's see if it corrects itself first
[11:33:59 AM] supers sonic: ok ..
[11:34:05 AM] supers sonic: ohok if not
[11:34:07 AM] supers sonic: I HAVE MANY PROOFS
[11:34:11 AM] supers sonic: we have skype history
[11:34:15 AM] supers sonic: which WE CANNOT CREATE
[11:34:17 AM] supers sonic: right ?
[11:34:20 AM] supers sonic: then we have that messages
[11:34:30 AM] Doge Digital: yea.  should be ok.
[11:34:32 AM] supers sonic: moreover once i remember was asked to sgn message and I fail to ...
[11:34:36 AM] supers sonic: anyways sorry .
[11:36:39 AM] supers sonic: andat last if nothing works , ask a mod to have a ip scan
[11:36:50 AM] supers sonic: clearly ur ip would be different from me .. range too i mean
[11:36:55 AM] supers sonic: anyways bye have to go for now.
[11:37:01 AM] supers sonic: any work for me any design ?
[11:38:25 AM] Doge Digital: Not at this moment.  Perhaps soon though
[11:38:41 AM] supers sonic: thanks, please let me know, I am always keen to design for you.
Quoting for reference.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 08, 2016, 06:43:23 PM
I have no doubt there are plenty of rich scammers around here, it doesn't mean they are going to stop scamming.
Some of the largest scams I've seen are conducted by accounts that, logically, shouldn't need to scam. But they do.

If you wanted professionalism, you should have publicly stated you were handing an account over to a known scammer.

I gave the account away to a user that did graphics for me on Skype.  This was just after Christmas.  

I had the kaykawa account from July 31 (4:23:35PM) - December 26.

You can obviously tell the difference in the way we speak and that the account was used for graphics services (I absolutely suck at drawing).

The 'alts' connected to that account are all Indian based.  I am from Canada.  This is me (bitrated.com/dogedigital).  I am not Kaykawa and have no involvement in that account from Dec 26 onward.

You're simply trying to play cop and are doing a bad job at it.  

Shame on you ibminer.
You stated yourself that you gave this account over to Nauro on December 26/27th.

At that time, Nauro would have been red flagged by many and would have been highly untrusted.
(most of his negative feedback was posted at the beginning of December, and TomatoCage had linked him to other scammers back in January of 2015)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=403195

You helped him out with a fresh account.

Its asinine to hand over an account to someone who is red flagged for scams.
Shame on YOU!




I didn't sell the account.  I gave it away.  If it was up to me, all account sales would be banned.

I gave it to 'Supers Sonic' on skype.  Also goes by 'Nauro' on bitcointalk.  He did graphics for me in the past and kept hitting me up for work.  I didn't really want to pay him anything, but he was insistent and it was Christmas time, so I told him he could have my account to make money from signature campaign.  

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It's quite ridiculous that I now have to prove myself from these accusations.  

This was why I wanted my first purchase of the account to be private because I don't want any connections to it after I'm done with it and yet  I have to listen to your condescending 'shady' comments.  

I get that you're trying to 'help' the public.  I just really think it could have been handled much better and with actual professionalism.  

I'm part of 3 people that hold over 1000btc in our possession.  A quick look into myself would have led you to the logical realization that I'd have no reason to involve myself in shady behaviour.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 08, 2016, 06:52:46 PM
I think you should work on your months. It doesn't seem to be one of your strengths.

Where am I going wrong?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 07:03:19 PM
This is beyond stupid.

First off, there are no rules against buying/selling accounts, of which I didn't even do.  Furthermore there are no rules or even suggested action to mark all accounts that are transferred.

There are however specific guidelines for leaving negative trust which you did not follow.  

This guy (who seems to be a kid) was broke, looking to to be hired for services so that he could work honestly and pay back everybody that he owes (which should be personal information).  

He was asking for anything and asked if he could use a spare account to make some money through signature campaigns.

I was at first a bit uneasy about handing an account over to him and had explicitly warned him not to do anything.  However, I never once had a problem with him on his services when I had ordered graphics from him (when I didn't see any type of accusations made against him) and he made me a what I believed to be a sincere promise not to (which I believe he kept [all his red trust comes from affiliation]).  

If I had reason to believe that he would use the account solely for malicious purposes, I wouldn't have given it to him.

So unless you want to keep the cop charade up and think that I am this person, I ask that you kindly remove your unwarranted negative feedback on my profile.

  



Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Quickseller on June 08, 2016, 07:05:30 PM
I think you should work on your months. It doesn't seem to be one of your strengths.

Where am I going wrong?
Yea that is my bad. I was looking at the incorrect account.

Either way, unless you can affirmatively confirm that it is not possible that ownership has changed then I don't think it is appropriate to tag someone as being an alt of a scammer. You can check this via the security log as well as addresses that have been posted in the past.

BabbaD aka superSTAR777 is a lowlife scammer who is generally uneducated and is bad at covering his tracks. He won't be able to scam more then $5 at a time. I'll check for more of his alts later today, although both tomatocage and myself have tagged dozens of his alts. I am fairly confident that dogedigital is not BabbaD because I know with decent certainty that he lives in a different part of the world as well as how each of them act.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: AcoinL.L.C on June 08, 2016, 07:28:33 PM
I can vouch that Doge Digital is an upstanding member of the Bitcoin community. I have done a plethora of transactions with him over the past few years and he has always been transparent and honest in these dealings.

I fail to see how he should be "shamed" for giving a forum account away for free during the holiday season to help someone out.


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 08, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
I can vouch that Doge Digital is an upstanding member of the Bitcoin community. I have done a plethora of transactions with him over the past few years and he has always been transparent and honest in these dealings.

I fail to see how he should be "shamed" for giving a forum account away for free during the holiday season to help someone out.

I'm surprised at some of the reactions here... are you all failing to see that he gave this free account over to a known scammer?


Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: Dogedigital on June 08, 2016, 07:34:52 PM
Are you serious?  http://i.imgur.com/4CqAz6o.png

What's your deal?  

It's quite clear that you don't have the best intentions of the community at heart.

You're just trying to make this personal.

It's not even close to being a legendary account and I don't even remember if it was Hero at the time.

Furthermore, nowhere did I openly state that I'd continue doing business with him.

You're resorting to lies now to try and embellish your unwarranted accusations?

Blatant trust system abuse IMO.





Title: Re: I caught someone cheating in auction
Post by: ibminer on June 08, 2016, 07:44:00 PM
Furthermore, nowhere did I openly state that I'd continue doing business with him.

You're resorting to lies now to try and embellish your unwarranted accusations?

Blatant trust system abuse IMO.

You are correct, I misread one of your messages... when the scammer asked for your business, you said "Perhaps soon". I've modified my feedback.
I have nothing personal against you except the fact that you are helping out someone that I believe is a scammer.
Based on the positive trades you've had, I'm going to convert it to neutral, but I really don't have a good feeling about you.