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Title: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: Bitcoinpro on May 18, 2016, 04:35:07 AM
Modern Mathematics has made random number generation

completely irrelevant and it should be removed from

computer programming altogether, if your computer

is running random number generators for Bitcoin or anything

else its now an unessisary flaw that can be removed,

predetermined number sets should always be used, and all

past number sets should also be recorded to prevent duplication,

this can also remove the time wasting function of fake random

generation, obviously your introduced sets will appear completely

random to an attacker and that is the purpose, if u use a program

to generate numbers the attacker will always have an advantage

if they where attempting to perform a 51% attack, numbers sets

chosen by the miner will provide an layer of defense that is

unable to be preditermined, as random number generation

is now a Mathematical Myth







Title: Re: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: Lauda on May 18, 2016, 05:35:20 AM
I disagree, especially after you've provided no sources.

Modern Mathematics has made random number generation completely irrelevant and it should be removed from  computer programming altogether,
No, they haven't and no, it shouldn't.

if your computer is running random number generators for Bitcoin or anything else its now an unessisary flaw that can be removed,
Why would someone use a RNG and what for?


Title: Re: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: Enotche on May 18, 2016, 06:59:31 AM
Attack 51 such pointless.

At the moment, for the implementation of such an attack in the Bitcoin network is required computing power is many times more powerful than all the supercomputers of the rating TOP-500 (the 500 most powerful supercomputers in the world), after the mass transfer of miners with graphics cards specifically designed for mining Bitcoins integrated circuit (asic ), protection against such attacks became even stronger.


Title: Re: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: upsidedown75 on May 18, 2016, 08:09:27 PM
Are you, by any chance, trying to scare miners off so they would stop mining? If so, you're probably not even a little percent successful because first of all, you did not provide any data or info to back your claims. Plus, there's currently no risk of address duplication, if that's what you meant by 'duplication'.


Title: Re: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: OROBTC on May 18, 2016, 08:16:54 PM
...

There are LOTS of ways of creating pseudo-random numbers that would likely be resistant to attacks, not to mention Enotche's comment re the computing power of the Top 500 fastest computers (in toto) being unable to successfully attack.

Nonetheless, miners would be smart to consider all avenues of attack, and have plans in place as well as a "Plan B".

And a Plan C.

And a Plan D...


Title: Re: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: jacobmayes94 on May 18, 2016, 08:26:16 PM
To be fair, mining rigs use a nonce value that counts +1 until it overflows then it is sent new work to try and count the nonce with again, in a way it is a PRNG.

And a truly random number generator is NEEDED in bitcoin for things like encryption keys mind; persudo random numbers used for wallet private keys has been used successfully to steal wallet balances before.


Title: Re: Bitcoin miners extremely vunerable to a random number attack
Post by: cjmoles on May 18, 2016, 08:29:23 PM
Well, there are some amazing advancements in the field of computing mathematics.1 And set algorithms are demonstrating some amazing potential in the field of computing.2 Nevertheless, RNG's cannot be replaced in many, if not most, situations.  For example, the online poker industry absolutely relies upon robust random number generators to make their platforms work.  Now, "truly" random number generators may be technologically improbable, but the psuodo-random-number-generators currently in use are robust and extremely reliable where random numbers are needed.

CITATIONS:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60P7717-XOQ
2. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Rule30.html